Is this literally just a Miata? I've got a Mazda 3 and

>>16060319
Yeah, it's even built in the same factory on the same assembly line. The only differences are the exterior styling, the engine, the gearbox and the suspension tuning.

>>16060336
So they took all the stuff that makes a Miata good and replaced it with Italian parts? That's one of the most retarded things I've heard in a whikle.

>>16060540
>T-JET
>bad
lmao keep spouting your memes kiddo

>>16060319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wFuuAfYdnw

>>16060540
The gearbox is taken directly from the last gen Miata/MX-5, so it has none of the issues that plague the current one.
The engine can also be found in the 500 Abarth, and is just about the only reliable part of that car. Good tuning potential, too.
Suspension setup is just a matter of different springs and dampers, and the Fiata is set up really well anyway.

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>>16060540

It's basically a miata except uglier and slower with a shittier engine with a hairdryer taped to it.

Yeah, that's fucking everything isn't it

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>>16060319
i swear we had a thread on this yesterday.

anyways, i'll basically just restate what i said before.

>single cam (in 2016!!!1!!1!) (dual cams rev higher)
>
>fiat reliability
>front styling of an autistic datsun 240z
>overall styling & design is quite shit
>slower than nd miata

the 124 is basically a shittier & uglier nd miata.

i test drove the nd & it was pretty fuckin great. only issue i had with it was the surprising amount of body roll, but nothing coilovers/springs can't fix.

miata is the answer, once again.

>>16060677
>i test drove the nd
And the 124, right? I mean otherwise your opinion wouldn't really be valid

>>16060540
>Exterior styling
Opinions. I like the fact that you can choose between new, sharp styling and retro inspired design.
>Engine
Uses the superior 1.4 Turbo - just about the reliable engine Fiat has made to date. More power than the Skyactiv, and a wider powerband as well. More tuning potential too - I don't see the Skyactiv making 250whp on a stock block.
>Transmission
Uses a Mazda trans from the NC. Stronger, and better ratios for the turbo engine.
>Suspension
Different, not per second worse. Want aggressive suspension? Get the Abarth.

>>16060677
>single cam hurr
>he doesn't know what electro hydraulic valve actuators are
lmfao

>getting this defensive
How about you just stick to your hair salon?

>>16060677
We'll repeat the argument we had yesterday then.
>Single cam
Again, Multiple is superior to regular DOHC. It has fully independent VVT, VVL and can do multiple valve lifts per rotation. The Mazda can't even do independent VVT, nevermind the other things
>DOHC revs higher
Redline in both is a matter of warranty and piston speed, not valvetrain limit.
>Fiat reliability
Mazda builds everything except the engine - which has proven to be reliable, moreso than the cars Fiat has put it in.
>Styling
Opinions
>Slower
As tested by Motortrend, on the same tires, they're just as fast

Basically, you pick the one you think looks best, and go with it. There's no reason to be butthurt over the Fiat just because it is equal to (and in some way better than) the ND. Both are a great addition to the market.

>>16060691
>he doesn't know that driving a 3 cylinder diesel is the definition of a cuckmobile

>>16060687
I like how you didn't put most before reliable so you implied that it's the only reliable Fiat engine made to date, that was a nice touch :^)
On a serious note I'd rather have a naturally aspirated engine.

>>16060718
>a 4 cylinder 16v is now a 3 cylinder in his mind
Your shitty weeb mobile is more of a cuckbox, babby.
Enjoy your obsolete technology.

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>>16060684
drove the 124 for not nearly as long, but i have driven it.
124 had turbo lag & the similar plushy & roll-y suspension. interior was a carbon copy, but i didn't like the power delivery & the impending fiat reliability. also i think it's fuck ugly.
if you shoved the 2.0l nd engine in there and made it a mazda with fiat badges i wouldn't be shitting on it nearly as hard.

>>16060691
DIESEL
FIAT
SHITBOX

>inb4 not actual argument
>inb4 i get called a busrider by a 0.3l shitbox owner

>>16060733
>implying mazda is better than Fiat at making engines
lmao

Do you even know how many brands use FPT engines?

>PSA
>Ford
>Suzuki
>GM
>Mahindra
>Tata

Fucking weebs, I swear.

>>16060724
Yeah, that was a typo. In all seriousness, there's a very small set of reliable engines Fiat has made - the 1.4 is one of them.
I can understand the desire for a naturally aspirated engine though. The Skyactiv certainly isn't bad. I'd personally pick the Fiat over the ND though, because of the subjectively better styling (although the ND does also look good i m o). That's what you get for growing up with your dad DD'ing a Fiat 1500 Pininfarina Spider, I guess.

>>16060760
Not him but

>DIESEL FIAT

>>16060760
No one cares about any of those brands, except Ford, and even then they only use those engines in cars no one cares about.

>>16060677
hows it slower than the nd when its got a turbo which u can tune to have 200+ whp

>>16060771
>Yeah, that was a typo. In all seriousness, there's a very small set of reliable engines Fiat has made - the 1.4 is one of them.
Fiat engines were always generally pretty reliable. The cars themselves could fall to pieces, in the past, but the engines were reliable.

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>>16060760
>implying fiat & mazda create equally reliable cars
>implying that even if they made equally reliable cars performance would be equal

>inb4 le graph is le paid advertisement waaaaa

>>16060788
Even in stock form, they're about just as quick.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4wFuuAfYdnw

>>16060795
>american survey
>muh 2L coke doesn't fit the tiny cupholder
Into the trash.

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>>16060788
so you're saying that if you tune the fiat to be faster you get to keep the warranty?

because the mazda is faster out of the box without having to fuck with the tune and shaft your warranty.

try to tune the fiat & keep your warranty
>protip: you can't

>>16060809
>prove him wrong
>gets assmad & says something completely irrelevant

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>>16060820
You didn't prove anyone wrong, you dumb murriclap.
Your surveys belong on the trash. Nothing else.

>>16060820
>because the mazda is faster out of the box
See >>16060806

>>16060820
How's the power drop on your 2.0l n/a at any significant altitude?

>>16060786
>nobody cares about Citroen, Peugeot
>nobody cares about Opel, Chevrolet
>nobody cares about Suzuki
>being this defensive

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>>16060836

>less reliable than Rover

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>>16060836
>m-muh graph is better than yours!!1!!1!
ok, mr. diesel fiat shitbox

>>16060837
>key word: about
which one's faster then? :^)

>>16060839
i don't know man, does the single cam transform into a dual cam at different altitudes?

>>16060910
0.01 second is not significant around a ~1:20 track with an unprofessional driver. They're equal in most aspects - which is probably a big part of the agreement between Mazda and Fiat.

The single cam already functions like a SOHC at sea level. Even below that, if you give it air to work with.

>>16060910
No

But it does have a turbo

>>16060910
>i don't know man, does the single cam transform into a dual cam at different altitudes?

You're fucking retarded.

>>16060922
>The single cam already functions like a DOHC at sea level.
Typo.

>>16060922
>>16060936
well i agree the difference is minuscule, but you implied that it wasn't faster in this post:
>>16060837


>>16060926
yes but you can't slap a turbo on every trash engine you get your hands on and call it superior bc
>MUH TARBO
>MUH BOOOST

>>16060933
>calling me retarded when you paid real life money for a diesel fiat shitbox
a y y l m a o

>>16060958
But the turbo engine will make more power at altitude. That's just a fact anon

>>16060958
>let me spew what others were spewing so I don't pass as being this dumb
Keep deflecting, dimwit.

Skyactiv engines are shit if you plan on getting any more power out of them.
You can't tune them or else they'll start to knock. You can't turbo them or else they'll blow to pieces because already high as fuck compression.
You literally have to replace every moving part inside the block to gain any power.

Meanwhile a 1.4 Multiair Turbo can get to 240hp with a simple remap, running on stock everything.

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>>16061015
>You can't turbo them or else they'll blow to pieces because already high as fuck compression. You literally have to replace every moving part inside the block to gain any power.
>[citation needed]

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=618173

apparently holding 7 psi flawlessly, with a predicted limit of 10, (predicted) blowing up at 15.

nd is still pretty new so turbo territory is mostly unknown, but it seems to be doing a hell of a lot better than you think.

>>16061076
How is boosting it worthwile, if you can't even add 1 ATM? How much power are they making at that 10 PSI?

>>16061076
>nd is still pretty new so turbo territory is mostly unknown
The 2.0 is literally the oldest Skyactiv. They're just plain hard to turbo thanks to their high CR.

>>16061087
>"We are going to push it until something won't let us go any farther. If the fuel system and clutch hold, then chances are we will go until the engine blows. We would rather have it blow on us than have a customer unintentionally find the limit of something expensive. It will be nice to say that the car will blow at 15 psi, so run it at 10 all day long!

We believe the current setup is 100% reliable up to 7psi, not really sure what else we could do to prove that( 5X track events and 3000 hard miles!)"

>Post #222

>>16061100
>3000 miles
>reliable
kek

>>16060540

>It's a "I have no idea what Im talking about" post

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>>16061107
>literally brand new turbo kit
>HURR WHY HASNT IT DRIVEN AROUND EARF LIKE 23.5 TIMES ALREADY

typical /o/ retard

>>16061100
So it can be reliable at 10 PSI - but how is a complicated turbo setup (with of it's throttle response downsides) worth your while if you can't even add 1 ATM of boost? How much power are you making then? 10 psi is a ~1.66 pressure ratio, so at 100% compressor efficiency (which is impossible) and no timing changes (which I highly doubt), it would make 160 hp*1.66= 265hp max. That's crank HP, not wheel, and again, before you lose power thanks to ignition changes and heat.

its literally an ND miata with an engine/transmission swap and a body kit

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>>16061667
also that the base fiata looks pretty uggo but the abarth looks great

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>>16061673
Looks even better without the faggoty matte black hood and trunk. Also, way better looking in blue.

>>16061773
i actually dig the matte black contrast and it seems to work with all colors, might even work with that blue

strangely all the ones on lots right now don't have the matte black

>>16061673
Yeah, and like many cars, it looks even better in person.

>>16060336
I think the frame is modified enough that its a different part number.

>>16061673
Have you seen one irl? They look way better than in pics.

>>16061780
I work at car lots and I can tell you, you wouldn't want to buy a car with a matte paint job from one. They can barely take care of a car with clear coat.

I was at a Hyundai dealership that had some matte Veloster and they were scratched up before they left detail.

>>16060540
>they took all the stuff from the Miata that made it good, then added parts to make it better

ftfy

>>16060319
The Fiat 124 is one of the very few brand new cars I'd actually consider buying. The styling blows the Miata away IMO. Instead I'm going to drop $50k on a 25 year old car though.

>>16060584
no. nothing in the fiat abarth is reliable. nothing.