Would you consider carburetion an art? and Electronic fuel injection

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ive always thought carb engines looked prettier. fuel injection makes them look like they are on life support.

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look how clean and nice an engine looks with a carb

I'm a function over form kind of guy. Meaning I care more about how something performs rather than how it looks. I've never owned a carbed vehicle, and I think they're outdated technology.

That being said: I've always really liked the way they looked. Absolutely beautiful mechanisms. The individual throttles are what get me the most.

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>>16037791
same engine with injection

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>>16037806
my point was Aesthetics mostly. we all know ITB make the best sounds.

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here is mechanical injection
the fuel pump on the left
who could call this beautiful?

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>>16037786
>he can't appreciate the look of a good fuel rail

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Carbed

>>16037803
I used to be one of those guys that constantly shilled carburetors and would ramble on about how FI isn't that much better but I realize now after having experienced both significantly that FI is obviously superior from a performance aspect. Even the whole maintenance/dependability argument is a partial meme as FI has become so mainstream that there are very little issues that come from FI.

With that said, I have a tremendous amount of respect for carbureted setups. It's such a brilliant system....there is something to be said for something so raw and mechanical. No meme electronics...just gravity. It's like taking the lid off a toilet seat and realizing the simplicity and effectiveness of such a physical system.

I dunno man. My autism is bad these days

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>>16037856
Carbs and manual chokes for life.

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>>16037856
The same engine with fuel injection:

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>>16038011
gross

here is an early injection

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>>16038042
honestly that one is pretty aesthetic

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>>16037786
Stack injection can still look pretty rad though.

>>16037772
No, all of them are art - untill you slap on an oxygen sensor, which turns them into science.

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>>16037803
>All these people confusing ITB's and carb vs injection

You can get ITB's on both carbs and injection setups. Both are sexy as fuck.

>>16037934
>just gravity.
Bernoulli.

There's nothing complicated about carbs or FI.

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Mechanical fuel injection is fucking neato though.

>On Cat 3400 series engines, the fuel injection pump takes after the engine it was built for e.g a 3408 has a tiny v8 fuel injection pump on top of it.

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>>16038049
HNNNNNNNNNNNNG

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>>16038281
i would not call that tiny. its bigger than a rotary pump

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>>16038282
why was the inline 4 carb never good? it seems like it would be more even?

>>16038327
You realize that's just two sidedraft carbs right

>>16038335
no how are they side drafts?

>>16038323
Eh, In comparison to the engine it fuels, it's pretty small. The V12 pumps are much more appealing to look at.

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>>16037772
sure
though all three can get fairly scientific

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>tfw no autolite 8v gf

carbs are simply outdated tech that should die
nothing special about them

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>>16038335
They're an inline four downdraft design for a V8.

>>16038327
It actually had worse fuel distribution compared to a regular fourbarrel, and they're probably harder to make too. I'd rather have four twobarrels instead, like pic related. Crossrams are my fetish.

>>16037772
The amount of engineering and science that went in to making the modern carburetor is insane. These clowns barely know how tune a single barrel lawnmower, don't let them near a 4 barrel carb.

>>16037934
Fuel injection can easily malfunction if one of the dozens of sensors required to run it fails

>>16039030
Dozens?
MAP, IAT, O2, TPS are all you need

>>16039030
And carbs can clog up, flood, don't respond well to altitude and temperature changes...
Both have pros and cons, dude. Use whichever suits your application.

>>16039150
All of those can be fixed on the aide of the road m8

>>16039158
Replacing a sensor isn't hard either.

>>16039175
My bad ill just carry spare sensors to drop in my busy af engine bay

>carb malfunctions
>starts spewing fuel everywhere, everyone takes off running in every direction while I kill the engine.

Fun times

>>16037856
[spoiler]What happened to /hou/?

>>16037772
My first jeep was EFI

Watching all the guys I wheeled with stumble on inclines because of their carbs sold me. That and now I live in the land of the 14ers and you don't get any suck when you get high, don't have to readjust.

The bad side is I missed ever doing carbs myself and I'm clueless as fuck, which has only ever come up once, but still feels bad.

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>>16037821
You could try posting one.

>>16039207
Are you talking about fuel starvation or altitude richening? Both are pretty good examples of shitty tunes m8

>>16039239
lol carbs don't work at extreme angles bruh

>>16039239
Probably due to the carb not being level, which some later/advanced carbs did have some protection against.

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>>16037772
>Would you consider carburetion an art?
No
Electronic fuel injection a science?
Yes
>would mechanical fuel injection be a black art?
No

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>>16037772
>Would you consider carburetion an art?
Sure. Tuning a carburetor requires a certain amount of artistry without the aide of modern equipment (like grandpa used to do)
> and Electronic fuel injection a science?
Just as much of an art, if not more so. Do you tune for economy, power, balance?
>would mechanical fuel injection be a black art?
No. More like a halfway movement. If carburetors were baroque, and efi post-modernism, then mfi would be art deco.
>pic related
Picture relevant

>>16039442
Then how do bikes stay running while leaning?

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I love carbs and manual injection
They appeal to the autist in me

>>16039955
small bowls, high float levels, and stronk vacuum.

>>16040378
So basically dogfucker is full of shit as always