What's a good car under $5k to learn how to drift in? Would

>>15985592
If you dont know. You dont need to drift.

>>15985592
240sx/s chassis

>>15985607
Don't be a dick

>>15985592
Miata, 240sx, 300zx

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>>15985613
Ill be a dick if i want

MR2 NA. It'll be easy to oversteer

>>15985613
>240sx
How boring.

>>15985592
Buy an old farm truck and get a job u bum.

Punk ass kids always revving the engine.
Ps it will drift and haul your shit outta your parents basement

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>>15985632
Go be a dick somewhere else, this is a happy place

>>15985639
He didn't say "interesting and different" now, did he?

>>15985639
I wanna hate fuck you so bad

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>>15985650
No U

>>15985655
Good lord why?

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>>15985655
Typical 240 things.
Always broken

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>>15985665

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High quality upholstry

>>15985592
My personal choice would be foxbody mustang, it had the longest production of a single generation meaning parts are everywhere and cheap. Power upgrades / engine swaps are easy.

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>>15985673

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>>15985674
That's a good suggestion too, I heard the body is a bit floppy though

>>15985674
Heres a list someone posted on here a while ago.

"cheap, plentiful cars that would be good for an introduction to drifting:
Ford Mustang
Chevrolet Camaro
Pontiac Firebird
Ford Crown Victoria
Mercury Grand Marquis
Lincoln Town Car
BMW E36
BMW E46
Pontiac Solstice
Saturn Sky
Nissan 350Z
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Infiniti G35
Toyota Supra (MK3. Fuck the MK4)
Lexus SC300
Lexus SC400"

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Striped down bmw e36 325/328 with a welded dif.

>>15985696
>Ford Mustang
Shit
>Chevrolet Camaro
Shit
>Pontiac Firebird
Rebadged shit
>Ford Crown Victoria
Heavy shit
>Mercury Grand Marquis
Rebadged heavy shit
>Lincoln Town Car
Rebadged heavy shit
>BMW E36
Unreliable slow shit
>BMW E46
Unreliable slow shit
>Pontiac Solstice
Wtf?
>Saturn Sky
Wtf? x2
>Nissan 350Z
Scumbag unreliable shit
>Mazda MX-5 Miata
Slow
>Infiniti G35
Rebadged scumbag unreliable shit
>Toyota Supra (MK3. Fuck the MK4)
Mk2 is best
>Lexus SC300
Heavy
>Lexus SC400
Heavy
>doesnt even list RX7
Wew

>>15985638
MEME!!!1 YOU PSOTED A MEME111!!1 10 MEME POINTS FOR YOU!+!!1

>>15985696
>Ford Mustang
>Chevrolet Camaro/Pontiac Firebird
>Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis/Lincoln Town Car
Solid axle, lolnopower, huge boats
>BMW E36/E46
Decent
>Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky
Eh, maybe
>Nissan 350Z
Decent
>Mazda MX-5 Miata
Decent but needs power
>Infiniti G35
Decent
>Toyota Supra (MK3. Fuck the MK4)
Meh with USDM boat anchor engines, also poorfag detected
>Lexus SC300/SC400
Alright but heavy and good luck finding a manuel unless you feel like doing a swap yourself

This list is fucking depressing to look at

>>15985621
300zx is heavy as fuck and not stiff enough, the na just doesn't have eniugh umph like a mk3 supra bc it's a gt. Miat is slow as fuck = no drifty 240s are getting expensive bc tax. Drifting for real takes a lot of money, if you just want to squeal tires around a few turns almost any car will do that if the hand brake works.

commodore ute is objectively the best choice
cheap as fuck and skids for days cunt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0ai89uswo

Late hardbody or early frontier RCSB KA24 MT.

KA-T low boost kit and a LSD. can carry all the tools and tires and wont need much power for smoky slides due to weight bias.

>>15985747

yeah 300zx is objectively a sofa. My friend had one and almost killed me in it by spinning into a light pole trying to drift. Yes he was and is a shit driver.

>>15985735
>Firebird
>No power
Choose one.

>>15985592
That said, civic is cheap and popular. Might as well use that. Though you will be driving a meme machine. But you want to drift anyway so....

>>15985859
Civics aren't even a meme, it's legitimately difficult for other cars to compete at that price point or with the sheer amount of aftermarket that can be tacked on like lego.

>>15985747
>Miat is slow as fuck = no drifty
There's a best motoring or hot version video of Tsuchiya drifting the fuck out of a stock NA miata. You've gotta learn to stop using power as a crutch, bro.

>>15985859
I choose both

For $5000 you're getting a tired old LT1 or 305 shitbox

>>15985888
This. Power is only for hektik 90° tyre fire slides.

A standard mx5 with a decent driver can drift too. Just not huge smokey tyre shredding drifts.

Stop being such a power faggot

>>15985592
If you are european I suggest you to search for a Volvo 360glt coupe, you can swap in a powerful engine at a low cost and even if you dont swap the engine it has 130hp and 900 kgs to play around with. Also the Ford Sierra is a nice option. You could found both from less than 1500 € and save the rest for upgrades.

>>15985592
Also, you should search for gen 1 Celicas and 1972 Corollas, they should be cheap, and swapping in a 3GTSE engine is not a big deal.

Literally fucking anything rwd

>people suggesting engine swaps to someone who doesnt even know how to do a skid
this board never ceases to make me laugh

>>15985592
Depends on where you live
If yurop, best drift cars are BMWs - E30/E36/E34/E46
>>15985720
the RX7 is too unreliable

>>15986438
This. If you want to get fancy with it chop springs and weld diff

Honda Civic op. Most underrated drift car. Just watch it in initial D. The car rocks boi!

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The best would be a lightweight, RWD car with 50/50 weight distribution and an LSD. Like under 1100 kg lightweight. And nothing with a really short wheelbase like an MX-5 because it'll be too twitchy.

This gives you the best platform to learn how to control a drift and do long drifts. Problem is these cars are too expensive so just get something RWD with decent enough power and decent enough weight distribution. And definitely an LSD.

For a long time I wanted to get a 180sx to learn how to drift in but they're too pricy now so I guess I'll just make do with something heavier

>>15985710
The only right answer. Even a welded 318 will do just fine for learning, but the 325/328 has more future potential.

>>15986452
>the RX7 is too unreliable
Ignorant fuck
Its more reliable than most that list.
Thats ok though. Dont want you drift fags ruining good cars

>>15985679
No worse than an s-chassis as long as you get a hardtop, and bolt on subframe connectors are cheap. The big thing is different steering knuckles and some jazz like that, steering angle isn't great stock. It would also be wise to pick up 3.55 or 3.73 rear end gears and gt40 heads/intake (rebuild the heads) to work towards un-choking the motor.

I drifted in a 2002 Chrysler 300M for a few years. This was before I even knew what proper drifting technique was. I would pop a bunch of xanax, go around a corner hot, then just pull in the parking brake. It stopped working after the first few times

>>15987415
>this is what rotards actually believe

>>15987494
Prove him wrong then faggot

>>15987494
>>15987502
I wouldn't say rotaries are unreliable, but they absolutely are high maintenance. Treat them right and they'll last for a decent amount of time. It's like a snowmobile or dirtbike, you have to feed them oil as well as gas.

>>15987502
Show me a rotary with 500k stock miles on it

>>15987511
How are they high maintenance?
Litterally the same as every other engine.
Yes ive owned rotaries

>>15987494
>>15987415
>>15987511

Its doesn't even have to do with reliability, rotary engines are just not well suited for drifting on a budget which is what this thread is about. No one here is mad mike dropping 30k+ into an engine build

>>15987518
Are you the same fag that claims rotaries use the same amount of oil as bmws and hondas?

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>>15987513
Nice false equivalence there friendo

>>15987513
That doesnt prove shit moron.
>>15987527
Kys
http://www.autonews.com/article/20150630/RETAIL05/150639990/newer-audi-bmw-subaru-models-use-lots-of-oil-consumer-reports-survey

>>15985592
Ford Focus MK1

>>15985592
-Short, sweet, simple
sc400, sc300
Any 3 series bmw (even the 318is)
240sx (if you can find one)
Miata (any)
According to the drift bible, all you need to drift is a rwd car, some tires, and an lsd.

>>15985880
How tf you going to drift in a fwd

>>15985833

trucc

>>15987523
Agreed there.
>>15987518
Aren't you supposed to run premix?

>>15987580
>Aren't you supposed to run premix
No

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>>15987530
I can show you plenty of piston engines that have, including one I own.

>>15985592
Foxbody mustangs are your best bet if you're in the US.

>>15987415
there are 400-500k mile BMWs still being drifted every day
I`ve yet to see a high mileage rotary engined car
All the RX7s, newer and older gen are constantly getting swapped for LS, 2JZ or BMW inline six engines

>>15987676
Not OP but aren't they kind of expensive these days?
I'd say a Miata is a better first drift car if you can find one with an LSD. Miata parts are also hella cheap and easy to find.

>>15987415
>Its more reliable than most that list.
Bro I was hanging around with some RX-7 guys at the last car meet I went to and even they made jokes about how the only reason they came was because the RX-7 decided to start that day.
They're awesome cars, but far from reliable unless you drop an asston of money into it or bought it new and babied it.

>>15987708
>>15987739
Choosing to ignore facts and only see what you want to see are the signs of weak minded fools

>>15987745
they`re good but just not suited ''cheap daily drift cars''

>>15987745
/me tips fedora

>>15987566
It's 'technically' possible, but anyone who tells you they drift their civic is either magical or full of shit. There was one video of a guy explaining how to do it with lift-off oversteer iirc, but it wasn't really a drift and more of a tiny bit of forced oversteer.

And as for the other guy who said "It's hard for other cars to compete at the price range" I have only one thing to say.
M I A T A
I
A
T
A

If some ones price range is 500-1000 USD and they absolutely cannot go any higher to get something RWD and better, they should probably rethink their life decisions.

Civics aren't bad cars but people delude themselves into thinking they're some magical tuner car for pros. Some people make absolute beasts out of them because they know what they're doing, but the majority of them are shitboxes with a cold air intake thrown on and a shit ton of rice added.

>>15987745
Show me the facts bro. Show me absolute solid facts that prove an RX-7 is reliable.
Personal experience does not count. Give me solid evidence then I will believe you. Engine swaps don't really count because the engine is a large part of the 'car'.

>>15987494
>being a furry tripfag

>>15987830
(You)

>>15987725
Not really, especially for a beat to shit one. They have a limited slip stock and plenty of power stock, a good wheelbase length, and tons of aftermarket. 4th gens are the same mechanically too apart from a different engine and 5 lug hubs.

>>15987928
Damn I didn't know that, I might start looking into buying one of those. I wanted an American sports car, but V8s drink too much gas to daily and everyone at car meets gives you shit if you get a V6.

>>15987974
Theyre not *that* bad to daily, the v8s will get 20-ish mpg if you drive sensibly. The v6 actually gets worse mpg IIRC.

>>15988083
>get 20-ish mpg if you drive sensibly
That's not that bad actually. It'd be nice to have my Miata for daily commutes to and from work and then a V8 car for going out and doing things.

also
>>15987745
>>15987784
bro where are these facts

>>15988120
No one has proven they arent reliable
>>15987502
>make outrageous, uninformed, baseless claim
>cant back it up
Wew

>>15985639
Suggest something else then??

>>15988134
>No one has proven they arent reliable
>NO ONE HAS PROVEN THEY AREN'T SO THEY MUST BE
This is the kind of backwards logic you see in conspiracy theorists.
>No one has proven the earth isn't flat so it must be flat.
>Oh people have proved it's not flat?
>Bro it's a conspiracy, it's propaganda, it's lies
>The earth is flat

>>15985592
Chris fix is doing this right now. He bought a 90s mustang. Try watching his channel for an idea of how to get started.

Long story short, there's really only 2 rules for what you need to have a drift car.

1) you need a rwd car, preferably with an lsd.
2) you need a spare set of wheels/tires to drift on.

The rest is either meeting specific safety regs for your specific drift club to pass tech inspection, or implementing mods to make drifting easier.

>>15988171
Burden off proof was on the people who called them unreliable.
Your logic is flawed and could be applied to your own argument
>prove they are reliable
>no proof?
>must be ureliable
Kys

>>15985592
You gonna get raped on the 240 tax depending where you live.

I would just look for an older BMW or Merc. Find a 3 series or C class from the 90s. If you are going to drift it anyway, you could find something with a strong 6cyl that is mechanically sound but has a shitty interior or some dented body panels for <$3k. Only problem is any car like that with a manual trans is probably gonna run at least $1000 more than the same car with an automatic (in the US at least).

>>15988280
Rotaries are known to be unreliable, this is common knowledge.
A rotary is known to be pretty much done at 150k miles, go check out the rx7 forums.

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>>15988328
Youre flat out wrong

>>15988328
This is just mechanically done, rotor housing apex seals etc, not even taking into account the retarded engine management like that stupid fucking 2 stage throttle position sensor that always goes to hell, fucked emissions and vacuum lines like an ocotopus.

>>15988280
>Proof they're unreliable
>Mazda literally refuses to make another Rotary powered car because they cannot solve the issues that come along with the engine
>Almost no rotary powered cars still on the road
>Very rarely do rotary powered cars make it into high mileage like say a Miata, Camry/Corrola or Civic
I'm not a fucking engineer but the fact that no rotary powered cars are being made any more and few are still on the road says enough. Like I said, even the fucking RX-7 owners at car meets say they're unreliable, but they work on them because they're fun and they enjoy it.

Even if your shitbox /is/ reliable in your magical world where everyone who bought the car knew exactly how to take special care of a rotary car, there are still so many other downsides to them. Your car is shit for reliability, gas mileage oil consumption and probably a dozen other things. Face the facts and stop living in denial. The only people who buy an RX-7 and keep the rotary in it are people who enjoy working on broken cars. That's why they buy an RX-7 bro

I mean damn, I like rotaries too but don't blind yourself and think they're a decent engine. They have perks, but as Mazda actually said the cons outweigh the pros. That's why they stopped making them

>>15988328
Rotaries are known to be reliable, this is common knowledge.
A rotary is known to be pretty much done at 250k miles, go check out the rx7 forums.
>>15988348
Nice fail at samefagging and not knowing what youre talking about

>>15988346
>anecdota evidence
You're flat out retarded, one look at an rx forum you would see tons of people with blown the fuck out motors at 150k
Just go to the forums of your most loved car and see what people are saying and experiencing, not just your personal experience.

>>15988354
Samefagging?
>his engine is done at 250k
>meanwhile mine is almost at 500k and still going strong
>this isn't even uncommon
Boi.

>>15988351
>doesnt know about the rx vision or rx9
>thinks rotaries arent on the road
Kek
>no rotary powered cars are being made any more
Not true
>bro
Bro

>>15988356
>anecdota evidence
>>15988360
>Posts anecdotal evidence
Cancerous namefag

>>15988370
>this forum full of enthusiasts, hundreds of people all owning the same car
>all of them experiencing similar results
>thinks his one experience is better than that of hundreds, if not thousands of people.
Cancer.

>>15985613
>drift tax

>>15988362
>>doesnt know about the rx vision or rx9
>Rx-9 and vision don't even exist yet
>First google result when googling an Rx vision is "Sorry rotary fants, rx-vision probably won't happen".
It'll be evidence when they're actually released, but until then it's just concepts.
Again, where's your evidence it's reliable?

http://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-217509.html
Evidence that it's an unreliable, inconvenient car can be found anywhere with a quick google search. Any car that has to be babied and still is at risk of breaking and never making it past 150k miles without an engine swap is unreliable kek

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>>15985592
Volvo 240. Cheap as hell, and able to stand up to the abuse you'll inevitably subject it to. The wagons have lots of room so you can bring your dog drifting with you.

>>15988390
And yeah, consumer reviews aren't really evidence, but when every previous RX-7 owner says it's unreliable, it's probably unreliable. Hence why nobody buys them
Stop living in denial bros

>>15987725
Go SN95 before facelift if you don't trust the foxbody

>>15985720
Can you say anything other than shit, kid?

>>15988396
early 80s 240 turbo
late 80s 740 turbo

>>15985696
>Ford Mustang
Decent
>Chevrolet Camaro
Decent
>Pontiac Firebird
Fucking awesome imo
>Ford Crown Victoria
RWD, that's all that matters
>Mercury Grand Marquis
Never looked into these
>Lincoln Town Car
^^
>BMW E36
Awesome car from what I've heard, but the american ones were apparently less awesome
>BMW E46
Never driven one or read any reviews
>Pontiac Solstice
Same as above
>Saturn Sky
Same as above
>Nissan 350Z
Same as above but if it's like a g35 it's awesome
>Mazda MX-5 Miata
The pinnacle of fun
>Infiniti G35
Incredible car. Comfy interior, good speed and rwd in a luxury car. Only complaint is it was hard to find a manual, and when I did I'd already bought a different car
>Toyota Supra (MK3. Fuck the MK4)
Never driven one
>Lexus SC300
>Lexus SC400"
Drove a RWD lexus with a V6 once, didn't really like it

>>15985720
It's cool to play pretend on the internet, but in the real world something is better than nothing, and most people are satisfied with a good car, even if it's not the best car.

Oh, and >Rx-7
Awesome car, but unless you tow it you aren't gonna make it to the track. If you do, you're gonna be getting towed off the track.

>Select all the images with street signs
>It's a blurry image of two people in the middle of the woods
>no street signs
nice

>>15988479
740 turbo with a welded diff will do ya good famalam
http://youtu.be/F_XbdTSnAkk

>>15988534
>Guy holding a camera clearly sees pile of junk in the road
>DOESN'T WARN HIS FRIEND
What an ass.
Pretty awesome video though, didn't know wagons could drift like that

>>15985673
>Get in 5mph crash
>Hit head on metal bar and die

Why don't you get a car that has enough hp where you don't need to do this

Pretty much anything RWD will drift, just buy some Chinese made "economy" tyres and you'll skid for days.

>>15985592
Literally buy the cheapest running miata you can, replace fluids for another 100 dollars, and stomp it in 1st or 2nd. You can even get sideways in the open diff ones when it's wet enough

>>15988386
>drift tax makes it 20K
so drift tax works like vape tax?

>>15985679
What does it mean if a suspension is "floppy?" I've heard this said about the del sol

>>15985747
If you can't slide a stock miata, there's no hope for you

>>15989055
wheels can chamber themselves into chassiss. or at least i think thats what it was.

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>>15989055
>>15989067

>>15985720
rx7s arent cheap everywhere.

>>15989149
>(insert whatever car) arent cheap everywhere
You fucking moron

>>15989055
>>15989067
I can't believe I share a board with you retards

>>15989055
The chassis on the del sol is what's floppy because it only has a floor pan and it isn't braced like a normal targa top car.
>>15989067
What in the actual fuck is this post? Did you ride the short bus to school as a child?

just be like chrisfix and get a bastard year mustang

>>15985710
That's an e30 you tard
Source: I own one

>>15989269
I watched that video, that was a combination of him being very unskilled as well as the car being a very shitty choice.

Previous SN95 owner here, the NPI 2v 4.6 doesn't have the balls to be of any use in a drift car application. Its torque band stops at like 3700-4000 and then it falls flat on its face. The suspension is awful, and having a solid axle makes it that much more difficult to control.

>>15990486
?
There's nothing wrong with a solid axle fur drifting

>>15990500
I didn't say there is anything wrong with it, I said it's a little more difficult combined with that awful suspension

>>15985735
>Solid axle
>bad

muh hachirokuuuuuuu jdm bullshit has a solid axle and those are drift missile'd galore

Want to drift for cheap? Use a light 2wd truck like a ranger or S10 and drop a smallblock vee ate in it and a locking diff. ALL cheap RWD cars are drift-taxed to the max. You can't get cheap S-chassis nissans anymore, and E30s are skyrocketing in value and getting hard to find, not the best choice. I used to have a S10 V6 and I learned to drift in it. I swapped a 350 smallblock and manual gearbox out of a bigger truck into it and did a 4 link rear end and disc brake conversion. Power oversteer, clutch kick, weight transfer, it did all of that pretty easily. No handbrake stuff necessary. Eventually I upgraded the engine with better heads, a cam, headers, a better intake manifold and carb. Never dynoed it but it ran 13s in the on street tires, plenty of power imo. Would've put a hydraulic handbrake setup on it eventually but it got stolen and stripped. The frame and cab showed up at a junkyard a year later.

>>15988509
>>Mercury Grand Marquis
>Never looked into these
>>Lincoln Town Car
>^^
They're Crown Vics with different headlights. Same platform, same engine, only difference is the ass end (air suspension or normal shocks, and what gear ratio it's got as well as if it has an LSD) which depends on trim level for each car.

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>>15990545
>and then it falls flat on its face. The suspension is awful, and having a solid axle makes it that much more difficult to control.
No.

>>15988762
I'm pretty sure that car doesn't get drove without a helmet on.

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>>15990456
Shit should have said that pic is not related,and thats and e30 hatchback

V6 Mustang.

Cheap used, rwd, and you can probably find one that hasn't already been destroyed.

>>15990802
>that feeling when autismos are turned in by this image
Really makes you think

>>15990944
>of course alphonse being black votes fur hillary
Wait, you can't even vote you're not 18 yet lmao

>>15991573
LITERALLY ADMITS TO BEING UNDERAGE EVEN IF YOU IGNORANT MOD FUCKING CAN'T RECOGNIZE SHITPOSTING THIS IS A BANKABLE OFFENSE RANGE BAN THIS FUCK ALREADY

>>15991264
>>15992532
What did I miss?

>>15993138
Alphonse being alphonse.

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>>15990802
Yes.

>>15993156
>>15990802
>suspension being very relevant to drifting
A solid axle will break traction easier, that's about the only difference. You use longer gears like 2.73s to make third your skidz gear. Van Gittin Jr. has a youtube video about his beater drift fox, which is a bit fancier with IRS but it's about the same as any other fox should be set up for drifting.
https://youtu.be/EphjLzP0OT0

>>15993176
>You use longer gears like 2.73s to make third your skidz gear.
nigga no

you want like 4.11s or 4.55s in those cars

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>>15985621
>>15985747
>>15985845
going tomorrow to possibly trade my 5.5gen Maxima for a Z31 300zx 5Speed N/A with the intention of being a skid car, probably report back on how that goes

>>15988560
> didn't know wagons could drift like that
>implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2vwhEfMt3c

>>15987708
Hardly any rx7s are swapped definitely not any more than a bmw

>>15987513
Show me any performance car with 500k miles stock

>>15987415
This. Being beat on they are far more reliable than the average piston shit engine

>>15987784
Show me proof they are unreliable
Regurgitating from conjecture you heard from people who have never owned one doesn't count either. I'll wait...

>>15994607
>hardly any
LOL no. No. No.

>>15988328
Longetivity doesn't equal reliability
A rotary will run for 30 years in nothing but oil changes and spark plugs along with general maintenance every other car needs. I'd consider that reliable

>>15988351
Mazda stopped producing them because of emissions
Never had any thing to do with reliability

>oil consumption
Is irrelevant. Hondas and bmws drink significantly more oil.
Just stop posting

>>15994455
Just remember that Z31s have virtually no suspension aftermarket and your angle mods are going to be all you baby.

VG33 swap and turbo it though.

>>15994614
>>15994614
And my car ran fur 30 years as well with nothing but oil changes, big fucking whoop

>>15994609
Okay then, show me numbers for swapped vs non swapped rx7s?

In my country rotaries and v8s are equally plentiful and cheap
There are about six I know of that are swapped in the country. Compared to thousands upon thousands of rotary powered rotaries =//

Itt: piston cucks prove once again they are clueless nocar retards that can't into oil changes and not limiter bashing a cold engine
What's even more hilarious is they suggest a bmw is reliable while one of the most successful engine types in endurance racing isn't! Roflmao !!

>>15994634
I've been looking at their funky steering set up & it looks like i could pull a similar job to a Mk3 Supra & just drill an extra tie rod pickup point that closer

>>15993181
According to Van Gittin you use 2.7s. Depends on the gear you wanna use I guess.