>russian cars Work forever >european cars Crap out

>>15965342
That's untrue.
Based clarkson proved that the toyota hylux is indestructible but he and may couldn't drive a lada 10m without breaking.

>inb4 top gear is not a reliable source of information.
You know they were the only trustworthy motoring show in the planet which also happened to be redpilled and have the right amount of bantz.

>>15965343
Moscvitch can drive 100000km without major issues

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>>15965342
>european cars last for 10 years

Driving a 30 year old American car. Feelsgoodman.jpg

>>15965342
But that's not true. Sure Niva is a fucking tank, but generally civil cars of ours are crap. Especialy recent ones.

>>15965342
load of bullcrap, but it's easier and cheaper to repair them yourself.

no ivan
its just that europeans have money and can afford more then 1 car in their lifetime so they discard their cars after a certain time
unlike you who has to drive his Lada that was passed onto him by his great grandfather

>>15965343
Toyota is japanese, monkey (im baiting you here calling monkey )

Im waiting for your (You) tbgh laaaddd

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>>15965343
>Top Gear is a trustworthy source of information
It's a brilliant show but it's not like it's not 99.3% scripted

>>15965345
Wrong. I drive a 16 year old Golf 4 and everything is fine

Russian cars are indestructible because superior no analogs in the world Military technologies.

>>15965350
are you high?
or just a newbornfag?

>>15965342
thats why your economy is still in the 60's
you need to produce AND consume to have a growing economy like the USA

Stupid Ivan

>>15965350

Get the fuck out of here and never ever look back

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>>15965346
Driving a 30 year old Japanese car. Idk how I feel. This car came out before Akira did. I still have Akira soundtrack in the tape deck.

>>15965355
What was the name of that guy that drove a trabby and now it is kept in some museum in Sofia? I think he founded the Sofia Athletic club or something and he was a high regarded public official.

>>15965357
You should feel good bro.
I had an aw. Now have a 77Celica and an 86 Supra.
Old Toyota cars are god-tier.

But on topic, Lada are okay, they aren't bulletproof or anything, just much more simple to repair and maintain than many contemporary euros, being that they are tooled from hand-me-down fiat machinery, they are from a pre-electrowizardry era.

>>15965358
Trabant you mean ?
I don't know, about that guy, but isnt trabant german ?

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>>15965342
I almost died in a Lada because it spun on ice and stopped inches from the edge of a hill.
Jap cars are best tbqh. I loved my old Daihatsu Terios. Far better than my Skoda and it was so much ahead of its time. Also >>>/o/ Also here is my very average Skoda workhorse.

>>15965355
>you need to produce AND consume to have a growing economy like the USA

Yes, shekels must circulate, better spend it, accumulating is bad

>>15965342
they used to be good, but (((todays economy))) is aimed at producing shit to be replaced soon

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>>15965342
driving an 18 year old vw bus (around 196000km), my grandparents have a 34year old vw golf(something over 300000km don't know how much more)
>feels good man
heard that soviet technology is pretty indestructible tho

>>15965360
Yes and no. It was an USSR project all the way through that despite puny budgeting was quite an innovative piece of engineering. Best of hatches/small cars imho tbqfh senpai.

>>15965363
>heard that soviet technology is pretty simply constructed to be easily repaired tho
ftfy

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>>15965358
That guy is Solomon Passy - a jewish pomak and a piece of shit.

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I have a fridge that is working for the last 30 years constantly. I hear about people that own a 30 y.o. washer or a vacuum. This is truly indestructable.

>>15965343
Is toyota european?

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>>15965342

most russians can't afford to buy more than one car a lifetime

>>15965368
you probably repair your stuff when needed. in the west, if it stops working, throw it in the trash and buy brand new one, even if the problem can be fixed easily

>>15965342

Business

Why sell a car every 50 years when you can sell one every 5 months?

Plus jack it full of electronic crap that nobody needs but faults constantly and you can charge for repairs in between.

>>15965368
That's what fucked over socialist industries, you buy one and you're set for decades, as opposed to Korean/Japanese/Chinese shit that combusts after few years, so they sell you a new one, at 20% discount, only 999,99$ gaijin.
I still have a 40 year old oven in my village house.

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>>15965366
well if a jew would drive it would make sense.That car costs next to nothing to buy,run and maintain. Has quite the culture around it.
1.3 Terios i used to own the same as in picture. Nippy, cheap, practical.

>>15965342
>be Russian car
>get eaten by goats

>>15965368
Are these Lada's any good or are they a E Yurope meme? Anyone here owned one or know anything about it? Is it worth buying one?

>>92045029
Lol, Russia makes cars?

>>15965390
Oh I see.

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>>15965374
He was driving the cardboard box only for attention. A government BMW was the car he used daily.

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>>15965398

>>15965342
Lada Niva is still in production so dumb westerners can think they are reliable

>>15965344

100k isn’t a lot, they are also known to have transmission issues.

Just because Russian cars haven’t had any major changes in over 30 years and are easy to repair doesn’t make them automatically reliable. Some are though.

>>15965377
"Always half broken, never broken down"

>>15965344
Guy I know has a moski that has gone around the clock.
No issues.

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I'll chip in.

I'm from Lithuania. Ladas are a fucking joke when it comes to reliability. Really, lets not compare it to Jap cars. Similar to old French cars in terms of mechanical stuff.

Grandpa had one since 1974. It is still running, but he kept working on it constantly for over 40 years.

Ladas are robust cars, but cmon, don't compare it to actual working vehicles.

Pic related, the sought after one. Apparently, the best lada.

>>15965550

2101 are sought after because they were the original Ladas and long out of production.

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>>15965342
Hello and welcome to my blog.
Love the Niva, we used to have many in the UK but they have almost disappeared. I've had a 1997 one for over 6 months now with the 1.7i SPI engine which is very nice to work on. The electric system is simple, most problems being fixed with bashing the fuse-box or shouting at it in Russian to scare it into working. The transmission rustles my jimmies slightly as it whines and whirs like a fucking helicopter. Paint quality is sporadic but if your frisky with a welder and have a shit tonne of rust-converter, seam sealer and under seal the underside can weather out quite nicely. The clutch is powered by some soviet gnopnik magic as as much fettling you give it its still fucking useless. The interior is as inspiring as a KGB cell block, but enjoys taking a beating and is wipe clean for any mud and shit. People laugh at it, I tell them to Google it and they are quite impressed. I could see it being very popular with farmers if it was re-introduced in RHD but the EU emissions Jew and the UK environment commies would let it back. Parts are cheap with I think is to do with the manufacturing 'quality' and the lack of a tariff on parts from outside the EU (?). Anyway the Lada is like a well meaning simpleton, you can't exactly be angry at its simple goat-farming ways.

>>15965603
So basically, Ladas are "reliable" in the terms that they are simple cars, simple to work on, with a lot of cheap parts to replace everything.

Wish we had something like that in the US. A cool go-to car you can fix all yourself, boomer-style.

How's the economy with those carbs btw? I'd imagine with euro petrol prices you're basically shelling it out

Soviet automakers could not afford to refresh their lineup every year, or two like the Americans could, so instead they opted out to make a model that would stay in production for 10 years with only minor changes.
And they also stuck to using old, proven technology that does not break. Like kingpin instead of mcpherson.

Cars where simple, made for tough roads, and made to last.

Almost all over car makers would completely change the design every 18 months or so, so they could try new things. If something proved to be unreliable, it would be completley replaced. They could not do so in the CCCP, so everything that was used was proven to be reliable for years earlier.

That is why Soviet cars can stay on the road for so long.

Why Cuba is full of Soviet cars, and US cars when they were made to the same standards.

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>Crap out in 10 years

excuse me?

>>15965362
Put your tinfoil on

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>russian cars
>working right ever

>>15965373
USSR had planned economy, it worked (or rather, it didn't work) on completely different principles.

>>15965992
>Soviet automakers could not afford to refresh their lineup
Wrong, they were never concerned with profits since everything was sold below the "real" price for the price the government told them to sell it for and they received money from the government to keep the factories running. They refreshed the lineup when the party told them to. Which wasn't often because nobody was concerned about improving things that can make cars more comfortable/luxurious since that's not very socialistic.

>>15966118
>Wrong
NO U

>Soviet planned economy could not afford to match the American tradition of altering the car for every model year, nor were its centralised factories physically capable of doing so. Thus a more conservative measure was taken, where a typical car would last 7–10 years on the conveyor

>>15965342
Maybe because there isn't much to brake? It doesn't mean that they don't brake at all, it's that they are so primitive that the fix might be simple. And is that a good thing? It depends on what kind of person you are. These Russian cars have poor level of comfort and dynamics, and.. everything. The build quality is just.. soviet/10.

>>15965368
A family member of mine had a brand new Lada as a work car a while ago. In one winter morning the drivers door fell off. Things like that just might happen in a while.

>>15965550
Sup', brother!
These Ladas were acceptable in their time. Unfortunately the Soviet regime wasn't good for innovation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdLtFnS5b0s

As a rule, basic cars last longer than complex cars. Extras are just more things to break and go wrong. Older Russian cars are simple, less to go wrong.

>>15966197
Yeah, I want to add that even if there was no need to overcomplicate cars (which is a good thing) there was also no need to improved them so after the union collapsed, Russian car drivers (and makers) were overwhelmed by how much better foreign cars were. "foreign car" became synonimous with "good car". And it was possible to import used ones cheaply - anything from BMW 318 to the R-32 GTR. That was truly the golden age for cars and for the country. Domestic makers stood no chance and gradualy went bankrupt, some were bought out.
Unfortunately with 2000s came the current era of everything being forbidden, ginormous import taxes once again allowed locals to continue producing stuff without competition (not just in cars) and sealed off the acceess to good cars for people who aren't rich (well, you can buy used ones domestically). In this protectionism-smothered economy, the situation is becoming ironicaly simillar to the late Soviet Union.

>>15965342
As someone who owns a w124 200d with 750k km on the clock and a lada 2105 that's done 80k km I STRONGLY disagree

>>15965342
>>russian cars
>Work forever

Mechanically yes, but they're all held together by rust and duct tape after two years

>>15965342
they never fully break down
but are always in a constant state of repair

>get reading fuc boi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophic_failure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_time_between_failures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fault_tolerance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_of_safety

>>15965374
They still make these in China. I saw alot of them while I was there

>>15965349
>not honoring your grandfather by driving his car everyday
truly an eurocuck

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>>15965550
button eyes are cute and all, but anything else than 1700i turbos are pretty much peasant tier

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>>15966012
An old school taxi, nice!

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>>15965859
Errm, economy, thats the main issue.
I'm in the process of repairing some wiring from the sensors to the fuel injection computer so I can say its the true mpg but what I am getting at the moment is 16 mpg where it 'could' average out nearer to 30 but I can never see it happening. Where I live I'm paying anywhere between £1.11 to £1.17 per liter of petrol so It is becoming quite expensive quite fast. But heck, if I wanted economy I'd drive a Prius.

>>15965342
>Russian cars work forever
>European cars crap out in 10 years
Its cultural differences not engineering prowess. Europe embraced capitalist consumerism.

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Whats the ultimate slav car?

>>15965342
More like
>russian cars
So simple that you can repair the engine yourself even if you know very little about how it works
>european cars
decided to pile guizmos and add in electronics for the sake of luxury, making them harder to fix
Older european cars (2cv, Fiat 500, even some stuff from the 80s like the Golf) were about the same : they were not very reliable but they were easy to repair. Infact many of them are still on the roads.

>>15968276
pretty much what you posted.
Shitty old BMW or Merc.

>>15966012
indestructible war machine

>>15968276
>>15968300
They also like audis. They're pretty much in love with German cars. Although they call Germans fascists and Russia is the best country in the world in every possible way.

>>15968780
>Although they call Germans fascists and Russia is the best country in the world in every possible way
They call everyone else except russians fascists.

>>15968276
20 year old rusty bmw/merc for the western parts of russia

lada 2108/09/10 for the middle parts

20 year old rusty mark II or chaser for the eastern parts

tinted windows mandatory for all

>>15968844
Somekind of weird windowspoiler or something on the rear window too. I don't know how it's called.

>>15968276
slav here, the ultimate slav car must have 3 things:

deep dish, a bucket, and some semi slicks

pop up lights are highly valued, but are not necessity.

Now, as for these fucking soviet cars... I'd rather walk.

>>15968844
Really envy the easterners, they have so many nip cars over there even buying an 86 is not a big deal. Although Chaser/Mark II/Cresta are very popular in the west too, see them on the streets quite often. That indestructible automatic is the best, almost all euro cars have shitty breaking auto that should just be completely avoided.

>>15965345

37 year old Porsche here. No major problems yet.

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>>15968276
They appreciate old US cars but most of them won't admit that.

>>15965342
Most of the Russian cars which came here have crapped out. I put it down to them being cheap and owned by people who don't look after them.

>>15969358
dont trip. They have no issue expressing admiration for USA made shit. And I'll be damned before I find a single one of them who would prefer a Lada over a Firebird

>>15969358
Definitely a 90s VW golf/gti

>>15969358
That's not a real photo, it's from a TV series about some gangsters.

>>15969417
American cars are fairly respected, but they're very rare because they were hard to import in the 90s. The only way was the normal "buy in Europe, drive home, sell it for more" and not that many cars were sold in Europe either since Euros don't really appreciate huge mechanically simplistic cars. Domestically assembled Ford Focus is the most popular modern car though, but it's not really the same. In any case, I sometimes see Dodge Rams and other giant offroaders, some people buy them my dad wants to do the same because he despises fuel economy and shit. Still most people would just buy a Land Cruiser instead.
Cars like Mustang though, yeah, those basically don't exist here. I don't think Ecoboost is even officially sold here. Saw a Camaro recently though (the one where you can't see anything from inside).

>>15969466
>That's not a real photo
kek
Yes, it's a photo from a TV show.
These people were attracted to western world because it was a different world that they wanted to experience. Nowadays a lot of them have been brainwashed by government and they are living in denial trying to convince themselves that they have everything they need right there. In the same time they will prefer anything made by western world over their Ladas but they will deny that if they won't be able to afford that.

>>15965342
Spoken like somebody who has no experience with soviet/russian vehicles

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>>15969547
>different world
>brainwashed
>cant afford
>denial

come visit, we'll enlighten the shit out of ya

>>15969688
Does somebody in this picture drives a Lada? Trying to imagine a fancy Moscow's restaurant parking lot filled with Russian cars. Most of the people in big city centers are wealthy and they are driving their MB's, BMW's, Lexus and other upper class, non Russian cars. What's your point?

>>15965859
And to add, preventative maintenance is a must.

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>>15969823
Soviet cars, theres no such thing as a Russian car. Also pic related is fancy, not that other walk in bullshit.

>>15968912
Louvres?

>>15970011
Preventative maintenance gets a bit costly in a car where nothing ever quite looks or works as it should

>>15970058
>a bit costly
You have never owned a Lada have you?

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>>15970033
Why is this guy posting pictures of restaurants?
>we have stuff, much stuff, very rich, much food, no hungry poor people here

>>15970144
>this pic is actually from a korean restaurant in Beijing
>the waitresses are selected from North Korea and have working conditions similar to those regular north koreans are
>in China it means they are underpaid for their work
>a lot of them try to defecate when time comes for them to go back to North Korea

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>>15970156
>defecate?

>>15970138
I do, and there's no chance in hell I'm going to replace anything that isn't fucked to the point it stops the piece of shit from moving

>>15970196
Which model is it and where you based?

>>15970227
2105 finland

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>>15965342
>implying

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>>15970236
That really surprises me.
What has gone so badly?

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>>15970144
>Why is this guy posting pictures of restaurants?
because he felt like it

I sware on everyting I love, next person to ask why, is getting their fucking glands torn out

>>15965342
Not sure, but I imagine the fact that the vast majority of Russians cannot afford to purchase a new car one every 5-10 years is a major consideration for Russian car engineers.

>>15970254
Only things I've had to change have been the fuel pump and alternator, everything else is just fucked but still somewhat working

>>15970236
Is the 2nd hand market still good?
How much does an UAZ-452 go for?

>>15970293
So you are being a little pessimistic then?
The fucked but still working part is the bit I love for some odd reason. Is the fuel gauge drunk on yours?

>>15965342
No you idiot. They just look old. Quality is shit.

>>15970295
Yeah, there's quite a lot of them here, they're quite popular hobby cars and russia is literally right there. UAZs are generally owned by offroaders who despise selling anything ever so who knows, probably a few grand.
>>15970299
Just saying if I was to do preventative maintenance on a lada like I do on my merc I'd end up replacing 90% of the car, which adds up even if the parts are cheap. I'd use the word "hasty" rather than drunk

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>>15968276
>>15968300
>>15968780
>>15968844
>>15969297
>>15969358
Are are all wrong. This is THE slav car. Right next to a B5 Passat.

>>15965342
>10 years
My 20 year old beamer is still going strong

>>15970364
Awesome thanks for the info on the UAZ. One day I plan to bring on back to the UK, but not for a long time.
What is the best condition you've seen at the lowest price or do you recommend going somewhere else?
With regards to the Lada, keep it. One day they will become sought after - you may even begin to like it. Some days you want to punch it, other days you thank it for getting you home in shitty weather.

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>>15970385
Should probably look in ex-ussr states, I'd imagine you'd have better luck there.
My lada is a 90's one so it's not likely to see any rise in value ever, and it's retired strictly for summer cruising purposes and something I can properly kick around in the touge without having to worry about hitting a tree or two. Fuck trusting it getting me home in shitty weather when it's almost undriveable in winter and likes to develop retarded faults like shaking its carburetor loose or fuel pump randomly stopping working

>>15970375
this Passat is not 2 door, not RWD, no pop up lights, is it even manual tranny?

You are full of malarkey you lolligaggin dewdropper

>>15970265
>sware
Why?

>>15970530
You want to drive it to UK and I give you some currency for it?

>>15970653
Not really, no. And you probably could do better than my lowered, welded diff sportsda that's awaiting for me to find the inspiration to fix the aftermath of letting someone who can't handle the powah drive it. Luckily it's just steelwork but still can't be bothered. And figuring out where all the electricity is going because it sure as hell isn't staying in the battery. And turning them steelies.

>>15970702
Just be kind to it ok.

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>>15965365
that's the appeal of it though. In your average Lada, nothing is ever 100% functional but nothing is completely broken either. Everything is easy as shit to replace when it breaks, too.

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>>15970721
Nah, she likes it rough. Or I guess I am being kind since I'm keeping it running and to myself instead of just leaving it to rot or selling it to some folk racer
Oh and we've found a upside in the 'fugees. They buy junkers in russia to cross the border, abandon them here to start yelling assyilum aleikum and they get auctioned off by the border control. Hundreds of them. For pennies

>>15970968
legit, is there any more info on this?

>>15970987
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-soviet-autos-idUSKCN0ZV1L8

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>>15971011
awesome, thanks man. Might quit my job and drive a car transporter over and bring me back some soviet glory.

>>15965368
>I have a fridge that is working for the last 30 years constantly. I hear about people that own a 30 y.o. washer or a vacuum. This is truly indestructable.
But this is actually true, my parents old refrigerator just worked for 20 years while their new Samsung has broken down 4 times in the last 5 years

>>15965342
>>russian cars
>Work forever
because they have to work forever. just like everything else in communism.

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>>15968276
bought this 20years old bmw, im slav

>>15974904
Which country was it stolen from?

>>15974934
Germany - Belarus' - Russia.

>>15965345
My Volvo is old enough to purchase alcohol in the US this year, and still runs like a watch

>>15965345
you're probably younger and much more dysfunctional than my skoda shitbox.

>>15965342
>>15965345
My 266k mile Volvo 240 and 272k mile Volvo 940 turbo would like a word with you...

>>15969297
>semi slicks

So that`s how you call tires with no tread left?

>>15974904
>im slav

it shows

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>>15974800
>communism
>work

>>15965342
>european cars

german******* cars and its more like 3-4 years at most

english french and italian cars are all built to last because they aren't jews

>>15975152
How?

>>15965377
they sold ladas in Canada and they rusted

>>15975167
>english french and italian cars
dogshit built to last

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>>15974934
kek

Love how this thread has been merrily ticking along for a few days.