>WAAAH! WAAAAH! BUT YOUR 1.3 LITER GETS THE FUEL ECONOMY OF

direct-to-air gasoline disposal system

>>15962383
In your Civic's fucking face, yeah

>>15962377
>best handling chassis

sorry, that title belongs to the skyline GTR (32)

it proved itself in an actual motorsport application to SHRED all competition it came up against (including rx-7).

Have you never heard of bathurst? Where it destroyed due to a combination of aerodynamics and it's AWD, so hard they banned it?

Unlike the GTR's that came after, the 32 is forever immortalized for it's bathurst victories. It actually deserves the title of godzilla.

Also, rotaries are unreliable as fuck. Enjoy premixing oil and fuel.

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>>15962388
>tfw in our lifetime rotary will be perfected, and piston engines will be outphased.

>>15962396
i fucking hope so.

don't get me wrong with my post, i don't hate the rotary, but you are delusional if you think it does not have issues.

if they could fix it's reliability it would be great.

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>>15962439
Rotary has the potential to overtake pistons, but by the time it does so, they will both be phased in for electronic engines.
Beacause of electronics energy cheapness and memes.
Rotary will actually die in our lifetime.
All because it wasn't developed by any company other than lonely Mazda.

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>>15962388
>R32 handles better

No it doesn't

>>15962388
-FLOP- -TWIST- -UNDERSTEER-

This is the sound of a GTR failing to handle as well as its american fanboy wishes it could. Why don't you own a rotary yet?

Fast and Furious ruined this car. It's impossible to find one that wasn't raped by some ricer kid.

>>15962514
True... but, F&F / Initial D ruined every tuner in that regard. FD is arguably the easiest to revert to "better than stock but slightly faster" status. Emissions delete, turbo reworking, and optional cooling upgrade.

>>15962377
>>WAAAH! WAAAAH! BUT YOUR 1.3 LITER GETS THE FUEL ECONOMY OF A V8!
maybe a v8 from 1978.
the average fuel economy for an rx8/rx7 is about 17mpg (reni is 18, older is far less)
the average fuel economy for a vette is 20mpg
4.6 mustang 20mpg

>weights 150lbs
dressed 13b renesis is 250ls
13b twin turbo from rx7 is 350lbs
lsx dressed is about 450lbs

>>15962388
>Have you never heard of bathurst?
didn't the gtr teams cheat and up the boost by like a bar mid race? something like boost controlers hidden behind legit buttons

>>15962593
tvr ajp8 sohc v8 is 350lbs fully dressed and makes 420/460hp n/a
>btfo'd by the englishman in his shed

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>>15962388
>it proved itself in an actual motorsport application to SHRED all competition it came up against (including rx-7).
rx7 RAPED the gtr at bathurst 12 hours, shut up retard

>Where it destroyed due to a combination of aerodynamics and it's AWD, so hard they banned it?
it won against falcodores that crashed in the rain and the team owner admitted to cheating with specifications, still lost against rx7 in the 12 hour race

>>15962377
What the fuck are you on about you busriding retard?

Rotaries were a great idea. Execution sucked dick.
They r garbage. Even Mazda said "sky active bitch".

Btw that skyactive shit is cray. I rented Mazda 3 and it literally took no gas to go 150km of highway. I fucking couldn't believe it at a gas station when I was refilling it.

>>15963076
why did you have to refuel then huh??

>>15963076
>muh fuel economy
faggot

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/5774631781.html

Good find?

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>>15963108
>mfw i just bought a shitbox for 8500 and couldve had this

>>15963078
kek he drove 150km and then inserted the nozzle and then it took 0.000 gallons apparently

>>15963108

Actually a bretty good deal if the body is straight. Just plan on rebuilding the engine sooner than later.

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I didn't read anything but here's my rotary beetle that's almost ready to run

>>15963271
What the fuck that's awesome!!

Which transaxle are you using?

>>15962377
>Strawman after strawman
>OP getting legitimately angry at his own shitposting
Rotarycucks are absolutely retarded, I swear

>>15963231
What do you mean? Life if its got no dents or do these cars hve a flexy chassis?

>>15962443
What about emissions? given a long development cycle, what would be done about the oil burning problem? The renesis tried to be the new age rotary, but unless you run premix or install another oil injector, they are tired by 80k. This is a problem that follows the design. And when you do install another oil injector, you foul catalysts and end up with way more emissions output.

LS1 actually isn't much heavier than the twin tarbo 13B
people love to brag about muh weight but that's without the turbos (which are pretty heavy and complicated)

>>15963360
It's a dumb saying people say that the body that the chassis isn't fucked and panels aren't destroyed.

That car looks clean. But it might look worse in person. It's worth looking at.

>>15962388
I like the Skyline GT-R but come on now.

The R32 understeered like a bitch at speed and was as rigid as a wet noodle as far as the chassis went.

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>>15963076
I don't understand when people say this shit. A great idea but poorly executed? Nigga the only reason they didn't catch on was because of an oil crisis, and it's hard to make them work in recent years because of stupid fucking emissions bullshit. The execution was fantastic, Mazda was the only one making rotaries for a long time, and they made legendary cars out of them. They couldn't borrow designs or copy any other company; they literally pioneered the use of rotaries on street legal cars. And it fucking worked so god damn well. The fuck are you going on about?

>>15963304
Can you illustrate why it was a strawman? I'm trying to get better at recognizing that shit. Also, I was super drunk last night and drooling over the FD so I made this thread to trigger people.

>>15963397
True, but people also forget that the most common reliability mod to a 13B-REW is emissions delete/single turbo conversion, which lightens it up by 150 pounds or more. Also, even if they weighed the same (it's not even close) the 13B sits so low and doesn't even extend to the front axle, much less hanging over it like an LS would. And of course, the 13B sounds better and has a more fun power band. If you want a Corvette, just go out and buy one, don't ruin one of the best designed/handling cars ever.

>>15963271
That's beautiful packaging. Though not sure about the intake just sitting there above and to the side of the engine and I think radiator fans. Are you going to put a box around it?

>>15963397
Because people swap out the stock turbos, dumbass. They're are relevant.

>>15962377
I hope you didn't make this thread intending for serious discussion. Everybody knows rotaries make a lot of power for their size and rev high like crazy, people just don't like the stereotype of a very unreliable engine.

>>15965660
I don't understand the "unreliable" shit. If by unreliable you mean it needs a rebuild every 100-200k KM, and that rebuild costs next to nothing, then I'm glad normies hate rotaries. The FD had a faulty sequential turbo system, but that's not a rotary issue.

>>15967644
Hence why I said stereotype. They're not necessarily unreliable, just finnicky.

everyone always bitches about the fuel economy in the rx7 but so many cars that i work on never ever have more than 17 mpg according to their infotainment and these are brand new cars

whats the rotary actually get while driving around in town in less than favorable conditions?

>>WAAAH! WAAAAH! BUT YOUR 1.3 LITER GETS THE FUEL ECONOMY OF A V8! WAAH!

my 5.7l LS1 V8 gets substantially better fuel economy


>LS swapped rx7s are pretty gay

>>15967647
I know, that's why I said I don't understand it

>>15967652
I probably average 22-24 MPGs mixed. It doesn't go down much if I floor it. Around town, 17-18 is what you'd expect, about the same as a V8. But unlike a V8, if you start thrashing on it, you won't dump fuel. Rotaries are weird that way. I redline the car every 10 minutes or so when I drive it, doesn't really affect economy much and it's fun as shit to scare people with my straightpipe

>>15967654
Substantially? Prove it, better yet take it to the track and have fun

>>15967668
>22-24, 17-28 in town in an old car well known for bad fuel economy
>new cars still only get 17 in town in 2016

incredible

>>15963865
Thanks. Im reading up on forums about them.

The car is so fucking sexy and I would love to work and learn about the engine.

Im just wondering if DDing the car is even possible. First order of business would be to install a kill switch

>>15967677
The absolute worst I've seen is 15 on an afternoon hoon with some baikus I met on an /o/ meet

Mind you, it's not a turbo, but from what I've heard the economy doesn't differ that much between turbo and non

>>15963108
>>15967678
Definitely look at the car. That's a great fucking deal for a LHD FD.

You can daily it if you do some relatively minor reworking of the cooling, turbos and emissions systems. Sure, fuel economy won't be the worst, but it's comparable to any sportscar.

>>15967678
Look into an FC as a starter car, solid suspension in a mediocre body style, and the naturally aspirated rotaries had great reliability up until the Renesis.

Whats up with the rx8? I drove one the other day and it wasnt as shit as I was told it would be. They dont look that bad in person either. Im kind of thinking about getting one desu since they're so cheap.

Whats the deal? Are they shit quality or something?

>>15967683
At the track I get ~10 mpg in my stock powered FR-S.

Still get ~33 mpg on the highway there and back though.

>>15967691
I honestly dont have the money for it as of yet. But i ran across this listing just recently. Other cheap FD i saw was 6500 but beat to hell and wasnt running.

Hell i think i would take out a loan for this car.
As for the minor mods I think I could do, ideally I would try to keep the cost of the work done.
As for fuel economy i drive a pick up so im already used fo paying a lot for fuel. Just now i can actually go fast.
>>15967695
That's actually a good idea, thanks. Plenty of affordable FCs in my area. Though the CL listing is too good to pass up.

>>15967708
emissions cucked renesis motor is why

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>>15967678
>>15967695
>>15967722
I DD mine right now. Has quite a few problems, but nothing that make it bad.
>Needs a new ignition, key broke off into it, and a locksmith couldn't get it out
>Leaking oil from somewhere, will find out where on Monday
>Also leaks water from somewhere, will also find out where on Monday
>Roof is fucked, Gorrilla tape seems to be holding up amazingly well after a week in SoCal BS
>Needs new bushings, but that's just because it's old as shit
>Also needs new tires
>And the fog lights stopped working since this pic
But in terms of reliability, it's as reliable as any other car when it comes to getting me where I need to go.

>>15967772
I also own an FC. I bet I know where your oil leak is.

The passenger side engine mount is separated from the engine with a metal thing; it bolts directly into the oil pan for some reason. It's supposed to be covered in silicone, but that shit gets ruined after a while of rotary hotness. On your next oil change, after draining the oil, jack up on the pan a bit and you'll see where I'm talking about.

Also, get the energy suspension bushings. It's like 100 bucks for the entire kit. They're great.

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>>15967772
>>15967829
>>15967683
Pic related

Rob Dahm likes RX-7's (duh).

Therefore, they're for fags.

>Re-Amemiya RX-7's are the opposite, literal god machines

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>>15967829
I dunno, it seems to be on the driver side somewhere. My mechanic is the guy I bought it from, so he helps me work on it for free, and I was just gunna leave it with him for a few days and see if he could figure it out.

These the ones you're talking about?
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/11.18101

Also, what brand oil do you use? I've heard a lot of back and forth about "Don't use synthetic" and "Synthetic is fine". I've been using Castrol GTX. Would using the high mileage version be okay for it, or would it be no good?

>>15967856
Yep, I'm jealous of it. I wanted a coupe version hella bad. But all of them were about twice the cost of this one, and upwards of 3 hours away, as to where this one was local. I'ma be saving up so I can maybe sell this one and then go and snag one of the hard top models in 6-7 months or so.

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>>15967865
Don't use synthetic on an S5 with the stock ecu, period. S4 you can use a blockoff plate for the OMP and run premix, which allows you to use full synthetic. However, if you're using the OMP at all, do not run even semi synthetic.

Those are the bushings, you can get them from rockauto. The black ones are graphite and are self lubricating so they last longer without maintenance. Completely changed the way my car handled. Oil brand doesn't matter, really, by the way. Whatever's on sale. If you redline the engine enough, carbon won't even begin to be an issue.

>>15967865
If you get a hardtop, definitely get an S4 TII. Light and can be tuned really nicely. If you're sticking with NA, either is fine. The S5 has a nicer quality interior as you should know.

They're shooting up in price in my area. I got mine for 3500 and it has LOTS of cosmetic issues(pic fucking related), but a recent rebuild and runs incredibly strong. Good luck finding a clean one! I like the verts but they are heavy and have a 3.9 final drive. Very slow.

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>>15967882
Katawa RX7

Jesus christ these cars are fun to drive.

>>15967892
>>15967882
Also, the doors are keyed the fuck up and some dindu hindu hit my car in August and somehow put me at 75% fault, fuck I'm angry, anyway she's definitely a member of the bad luck club and that's why I bought the banner

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>>15967882
Alright. I'll switch it over to dino oil next chance I get. In which case, would my running synthetic for the last 700 miles have caused the oil leak somewhere?

I redline it on the freeway enough. I'm one of those speeding cunts, but generally never do it in any form of traffic. I work nights, so my too and from work are generally empty enough to not give a fuck about some speed.

I'd love to get a TT, but I need to get myself out of debt at a few places before I think about getting another car. I'll probably be $800 down with my bike if I sell it back to the dealer, owe $2k to a friend, and after all that, I can start saving for one. Give it about a year and I might be able to afford one. Hoping there will still be a decent market for them up in LA, since that's where they ALL seem to be.

Also, I want to learn how to do sik skidz. I know this empty parking lot i could go practice in. Should I go and try to learn the grip limits on this before or after I get new tires/bushings?
>For reference, the front tire sidewalls are kinda cracked which is why I'm hesitant

And something i forgot to mention. My locks don't work, so any nig nog that knows how to get past a club can just turn get in and turn the car on... provided they know how to work a stick.

>>15962377
> 13B-REW is 150lbs

kekarooni

>>15967928
Try the Inland Empire. We're litered with them. Hell Socal in a whole seems to be a good spot for these and Datsuns.

>>15962593
> older is far less
not really
a n/a FC will get at least 20 cruising on the freeway

>>15967695
>mediocre body style,

DONT EVEN SAY THAT

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>>15967928
>>15967928
>>15967928
I doubt it would have caused an oil leak, but it gums the hell out of everything. I forgot to mention it, but it's possible that the leak is dripping onto your steering rack and making it look like it's closer to the driver's side. Or, duh, your drain plug itself is leaking.

Black people can't drive stick, you're safe there.

I'm taking my car offroading soon to learn how to get hektik, I have vert springs in it because my coilovers are shot. It sits really high now. Definitely do the bushings first, if they are worn it'll just cause you confusion. Plus, less suspension travel is better for drifting. Cool to see that you're learning as well, too bad you don't live in BC or we could go for a rip.

Take care of those tires, anon! Also, look into engine and transmission mounts if you're gonna do any clutch kicks or anything. They sell solid aluminum mounts for pretty cheap, and they're great for launching the car.

>>15967940
Way more than that

>>15963108
Arizona is a great place to buy a used car from (I'm going off of the image of the CarFax). Very low chance of rust compared to most states.

>>15967882
Thanks for the plate number. What kind of pizza you like?

>>15967966
I'm banned from any Dominos or Pizza Hut in the area already, so get creative

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>burns oil by design

>full rebuild every 100k (no matter how cheap a rebuild is, fuck doing it every 100k)

>my 5000 lb V8 truck gets 20-22 mpg combined, on par or better than rx7/rx8

>I can turn my truck on in -20F, turn it off immediately, turn it back on, rinse and repeat until the battery dies

>everyone and their mother knows how to work on a regular engine, most shops only have 1 guy who's in the 5th friday of every other month who knows shit about rotaries

fuck yeah get me an rx7

>>15967975
> pls work on my car for me ;-;

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>>15967934
Ya, that's where I always see them on CL. I was gunna go for one up there till my dad said his friend had one local, and I didn't have a way to get out there myself, so I was kinda confined to the San Diego area when going about buying one.
>Plus, I needed to borrow money to get one anyways, thus the debt to my friend
I'm lucky that he's chill about me paying it back and says to get the shit all fixed before I worry about that.

>>15967949
Hmm, could very well be what's happening actually. I was just basing it off where the leaks were on the driveway and where I though I saw drips coming from. Regardless, I'l be finding out tomorrow.

This is true. Besides, due to the roof being so torn up, and the seats being ultra cracked to hell, I doubt anyone would bother.

Alright. I planned to get the suspension and tires fixed up in one swoop, so I'd just have to get one alignment done, which could be done 1 block from my mechanic. This car has taught me a shit ton about driving that my motorcycles never could have, but i know I'm no where near proficient. I can go fast, and I take corners rather fast, but that's not hard to do in a car like this. I want to actually get as good as I can, but finding time, spots, and actual good advice to take out to that practice is hard as fuck.
>Ended up getting cut off on the freeway once and got shoved onto an exit ramp going way too fast, and ended up sliding sideways
I came to a stop facing the right direction, but how I didn't smash into a wall is beyond me.
>Pic related, the offramp

And while I actually have someone that has one, any advice on removing the pilot bearing when replacing the clutch? It wouldn't come out last time, and my mechanic ended up having to literally fucking chisel the damn thing out.

>>15962388
Rx7 owner here.

>premixing oil and fuel

Stop talking about which you know nothing about.

>>15967975
>>15967975
>burns oil by design
less than a Honda or BMW does by accident
>full rebuild every 100k
You have a fresh rebuild every 100-200k. FRESH. Done in your spare time for a grand, with the option to port it out too, for free. I'd like to see your V8 put out that same 240 horsepower, especially with you turning it on and off again when cold like a retard
>20-22 mpg
That's exactly what I get, and you're driving carefully you pussy
>I can turn my truck on in -20f
Actually, no you can't
>work on a regular engine
You mean work around a regular engine? Aside from spark plugs (which are even easier on a rotary, no fucking cam cover to remove or anything, and there's only 4 in a very open engine bay as opposed to most vans/trucks where you need to get under the car to change some of them) I doubt you or your mother know jack shit about rebuilding a v8, but thanks for being scared of a perfectly good engine because you're ass-backwards.

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>>15967988
>The pilot bearing that the mechanic chiseled out.
Or at least, what was left of it.

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>>15967992
My baby. Too bad Its undrivable right now..

>>15968001
Oh bby, whats wrong with it?

Im the anon asking questions and who posted the CL link.

>>15967993
>>15967993
>>15967993
>>15967993
>>15967993
>I'd like to see your V8 put out that same 240 horsepower
try closer to 400
>especially with you turning it on and off again when cold like a retard
I'd like to see your rotary turn on, off, and on again in less than 1 minute
>you're driving carefully you pussy
I'd like to see you get anywhere close to 15 towing 8,000 pounds
>Actually, no you can't (turn your truck on in -20f)
Actually it gets down as close to -30 here, at which point the battery is the weak point
>I doubt you or your mother know jack shit about rebuilding a v8
I doubt anyone rebuilds a V8 every 100k
> thanks for being scared of a perfectly good engine because you're ass-backwards.
I never said it was shit, I compared it to a piston engine, which is vastly superior in nearly every measurable way. For what they are rotaries get the job done if you enjoy that kind of shit.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>15967988
I haven't touched my clutch yet, and I only really learn by doing shit and figuring it out myself so I can't in good conscience help you out there. RX7club is a good place to look, I believe. And damn, that looks like a fun curve. I'm a sucker for chucking this thing around corners... just be careful in a convertible, an S5 vert weighs like 3100 lbs and doesn't have much available torque because of the differential. Definitely get more comfortable first, and if you're gonna drift more, get rear steering eliminator bushings. That passive steering feels awesome for grip driving but will surprise you when getting the tail out.

>tfw I took a corner like that doing 170 km one day while late for work
I felt suicidal as fuck getting that close to the car's limit. I guarantee if I hit a bump I would've died. Fucking RX7s man I love them

>>15962377
You missed the part where it detonates if you start it.

>>15968012
>if it starts
fixed it

>>15968006
Welp, I guess ill add to the stereotypes haha. It has a blown coolant seal from its previous owner. Nothing major, however it will require the engine to be rebuilt. They are very problematic, but the driving trade-off, at least for me, is more than worth it.

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>it's another 'insecure rotary shitbox owners' episode

Boxer or go home kiddos.

>>15968008
Why would you want to turn your car off when it's cold? That's bad for any engine, you goof

I was clearly making fun at you for saying "anyone and their mother can work -on- an engine", as if you ever work on the engine itself rather than just replacing mundane shit around it. Everything else you've said is just incoherent and stupid. Enjoy your shitty truck I guess? Want me to throw you some strawmen too? Hurr durr I'd like to see you redline every gear for a day and not grenade your boat anchor

>>15968022
>assblasted Mazda fangirl

Mazda eternally BTFO. Will Rotards ever recover?

It's funny all the shit people make about the rotary needing rebuilds, but after a rebuild it's a new engine putting down proper power.

Sure your piston engine might work "fine" after 150k miles, but if you dyno it it's probably putting down 30% less power than it did out of the factory and could damn well use a rebuild as well. But the rebuild costs 5x as much and takes way more time, and can't be done in an afternoon like on a rotary, so you don't do it. So you keep running your gimped old engine. hur dur.

>>15967652
Hypermilling, I got about 21 MPG in mixed city-highway driving in my FD. I get 35 doing the same in my CX-5.

And on the track, my FD gets around 8.5-9.5 MPG, which is actually really good. In an STi or GTI you can expect more around 5-7 MPG on the track.

>>15967708
For the price of a 2006+ sports car, the RX-8 can't be beat due to how much they depreciated like a rock.
Who the fuck said it wasn't good? They're retarded.

They were bad new because there were too many compromises for a $28,000 car. It does have too weak of a motor for a 3050lb car. It's a nice engine, but it belongs in something around 2500lb. But for $15,000 it's god-tier.

>>15968031
>RX-8 can't be beat due to how much they depreciated like a rock.


Yeah because they're unreliable pieces of shit.

>170hp of rotard fury
So this is the power of Rotary, woah...

>>15968022
>Why would you want to turn your car off when it's cold?
Cause I can, and you can't. Never said that's what I do, I said it's what I CAN do.
>as if you ever work on the engine itself rather than just replacing mundane shit around it
>actually saying this meme of a line with no prior knowledge as to who I am, what I have done to a motor, etc.
>trying to provoke me to the point of flaming because "muh truck guys have fragile masculinities and small penises
>Everything else you've said is just incoherent and stupid
Everything I've said has made you severely asshurt because they're all reasons to go piston rather than rotary and you can't think of any reason other than "oh there's no cam cover, spark plugs are sooper ez plizi, rebuilds only cost 1k out of pocket"

>>15968034
Holy shit stop being so mad. V8s have no place in a real sports car and you fucking know it. Muscle car? Sure. Anything that has business in the twisties? No fucking chance LOL go in a straight line you front heavy bitch, stop pretending to be a real man just because your engine is big. A rotary would handle circles around your shit, no problem.

>>15962377
Just needs a full tank of gas and new apex seals every morning to keep purring

>>15968039
Can you rephrase this in the form of an argument so I can attack your nonsense? You're just repeating things now because you're angry that none of your points matter

>>15968042
>so butthurt he thinks I own a V8

Flat 4>Rotard

Go rebuild your shitbox

>>15968048
I'll rebuild it just for fun, won't cost me much and I think I'll do a bridgeport this time for that delicious exhaust

So how's your 16 MPGs coming along? Maybe you should replace your spark plugs to try and improve that. Don't worry, it'll only take 4 hours. Is that a misfire I hear or just your exhaust?

>>15968061
>16 MPGs coming along?

Rotard so braindead he still thinks I have a V8 lmao.

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>>15968009
This one needed a new clutch right away, and I had it done before the mechanic sold it to me, but since I'm looking to be a mechanic, I asked if I could help with it. I ended up doing all the work up to dropping the transmission and getting the clutch/bearing out. But ya, he chiseled it out, and it was not a fun time for anyone. I suggest getting the special order tool when you do yours, just to save you the headache. It's what I'ma get next time.

Ya, I can feel the lack of torque, but it's still got more than my motorcycle at the least. I was thinking of welding the diff, but seeing as I'm not that good, I decided that would be a fucking terrible idea. And ya, hard top as soon as I can. But no point in not using this to at least get a bit of practice in an empty lot!

I think I hit that corner going like, 80-90mph according to the speedo. It was spooky, but I wasn't too scared once I wasn't 90 degrees sideways staring straight at the wall. Ended up coming to a complete stop right bout where that truck tip sign is.

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if you like rotaries, you like rotaries

if you like v8s, you like v8s

There will never be any middle ground or agreement between sides. I guess the lowest common denominator of society needs stuff to argue about though. Carry on.

>>15968047
I told you that my truck is CAPABLE of being started/restarted continuously in severe conditions and you asked why I would do that, even though nowhere did I say that that is what I do.
You said I never work on an engine besides replacing mundane shit, despite knowing nothing about me personally, making that entire statement moot.
You're still severely asshurt as you google "why is rotary better than piston" and stall the argument making me type this stupid shit out in a way that someone with an extra chromosome can understand. You have made almost 0 argument as to why the rotary is a better candidate vs the many I have brought up.

>>15968063
I'm well aware that you have a flat 4, fucktard. They're inefficient as fuck.

>>15968070
Holy shit this guy is mad, watch out guys, he thinks he's hot shit

>>15968072
>They're inefficient as fuck.

>He said as he had trouble starting his rotary

Will rotary fangirls ever recover?

>>15968048
I own both. A 2011 wrx hatch making 320whp and an 93 rx7 fd r1 making only the stock 255hp. Although the Mazda is a bit more troublesome, it's a true drivers car and is all around more badass. If you want security go get a damn Prius...

>>15968077
>If you want security go get a damn Prius...


Now you're just grasping at straws desperately. I said Flat 4 not some hybrid cuckmobile.

>>15968067
Damn anon

I'm definitely welding my diff. I suggest you get some coilovers too, they're so easy to put on and you can remove them when you want a hard top.

Thanks for the tip. Hopefully it goes smoothly for me. Definitely want a stage 2 in there for fun times.

>>15968075
Holy shit this guy has 0 arguments against piston engines other than not having a cam cover to remove. Watch out he thinks a V8 can't compare to the power of a rotary

Just stop anon.

>>15968082
>>15968082
Why are you so fixated on your flat 4? Subaru drivers are the ultimate in cringe

>>15968076
>>15968076
Never had trouble starting my rotary. Didn't realize that was even a meme. If you flood it like a retard (happens to plenty of piston engines if you turn them off while cold, FYI) there's a failsafe where you floor the gas pedal and it won't fire the injectors... reminds me of a similar system that's in every modern piston engine. Cool huh?

>>15968084
>I'm definitely welding my diff. I suggest you get some coilovers too


Oh look, Rotards are ricers too. Gonna stance your shitbox too?

>>15968088
>Subaru drivers are the ultimate in cringe


They aren't the ones making these stupid assmad threads...


Impreza beat your ass again today?
I bet it was a fucking FRS lmao.

>>15968087
>>15968087
Brought up several points already actually, I'm just having fun laughing at your sour ass right now. Your points have been "hurr durr id never turn my engine off while cold but i totally could! why? I dunno"

Kid, I think you need to look at your life. Besides, every bus I've ever seen is a diesel. Unless you're a cyclist?

>>15968090
MAD
>>15968092
MAD

an FRS wouldn't stand a chance against a convertible FC, LOL

>>15968096
Lol a fucking FRS would BTFO a shitty FC


Will Rotary fangirls EVER recover?

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>>15968084
Hopefully by the time I get a hard top I can snag a LSD somewhere and not resort to fucking an Open diff. And I never actually saw the point of coilovers, like the natural look of the car more.

>Stage 2
Aluminum flywheel, woo boy. Mechanic was gunna get one when he still drove it, but ended up not.

>Have picture of doge enjoying a ride with the top down.

>>15968097
You keep repeating that last line like you think it's funny or something

Brap brap, that's the sound of me passing you on the touge. Should've told the dealer "no" during the test drive when you hit that torque dead spot, cuck

>>15968102
>Brap brap, that's the sound of my apex seals going out and my hair dryer exploding


FTFY

>>15968094
Your arguments have been:
>burns less oil than a brand already known for being totally unreliable (BMW) and a brand known for having severely abused vehicles (Honda)
>Rebuild "only" costs a grand every 100k
>V8s don't make as much power as muh rotary even though mine makes nearly double and plenty make damn near triple
>You get the same mpg as a vehicle 1 1/2 tons heavier with 160 more horsepower and loads more torque
>Spark plugs are ez
>Apparently nobody knows how to rebuild piston engines?
>This guy iz flamin guise
>Busses are diesels? No place in this argument

>>15968101
That's pretty good doge

I'd rather fuck an open diff than pay 1000 bucks for an LSD that's worn. Besides, it's almost the same as a 2-way... almost. I think the hardtop looks better a bit lower, it sits pretty high stock, and I enjoy the adjustability.

Aluminum flywheel is pricey as fuck, sadly

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>>15962388
Speaking of banned cars and engines...

>>15968106
LOL I almost said that in my post, but it's such an easy target and I would've felt like a redneck saying it

>>15968109
>>15968109
Holy shit stop replying already. I don't give a fuck about your truck/buspass/mom's truck with a big Vee-Ate. Just stop. You've already shown that you care too much about this shit. If you want more of an argument, look into how much a rotary weighs and where its weight is balanced, fucking educate yourself instead of trying to tick me off by calling rotaries "a shit" as if I care.

>>15968123
>I don't give a fuck about

>keeps responding

>>15968096
>convertible FC

Don't you fucking far pair those words up ever again.

I don't understand why Mazda would ruin a car's looks like that.

>>15968123
>When met with his own shitty arguments, becomes infuriated at his own stupidity in having made them

Go rebuild your engine one last time before work tomorrow, I don't think you shut it off correctly when you pulled in. While you're at it, Autozone has a BOGO deal on 5 quart oil that might come in handy to you.

>>15968134
Man, you're really scarring me deep here, anon. Did you take classes on whipping out SICK burns? Damn son, I'm definitely gonna get a Toyslowbaru now!

>>15968137
I learned from the master himself, Rotard Rebuilder

I'm definitely gonna sell my truck with almost double the horsepower and reliability for a triangle with the torque of a small child that floods like South Carolina if you don't put a blanket over it at night and feed it a steady supply of full synthetic.

>>15968145
>feed it a steady supply of full synthetic
Confirmed for knowing nothing about rotaries

I'll keep my high revving engine that loves abuse for my sportscar. You can keep your boring V8 for your momtruck. We can stop replying now because you are literally the most boring person to talk to, even on 4chan.

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>>15968113
Hmmm, that's true I guess. Still, once i have a hard top, I'd be keeping it for as long as I can. I absolutely adore the looks of FCs, so I wouldn't be getting rid of it anytime soon, so an upgrade like that wouldn't be out of the question for me.

Ya, that's why he never got it. Was too pricey for him to grab.

>>15968129
Hey, it's not as bad as ruined. I like the hard top more myself, but it still looks pretty damn nice!

>>15968150
Include a full screencap of this argument somewhere in your suicide note tonight so your parents at least know the reason you threw a toaster in the tub is because you got seriously assblasted by some chump you know nothing about.

>>15968161
Will do chump

>>15968152
If you're gonna keep it, get a turbo for sure. You can import one from Japan for 5 grand plus fees, which is great because, at least in Canada, Turbo IIs go for 10k+. Plus, the Japanese models are better.

>>15968201
How hard is hooking up a wiring harness? This one's for sale, and that's apparently the only thing that needs to be done on it. Ad $3500 is something I could reasonably save up for in about 6 months time. And this ad has been up for quite a while.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/5773130300.html

>>15967882
BCfag!

>>15968259
>15968259
Holla
>>15968241
That's a fucking steal, bro. Get a loan and go pick that up, damn!!

>>15968201
To ad to this, the Turbo II has a stronger rear end that can actually handle power.

Turboing a regular FC will result in other things breaking. Don't do it.

>>15968001
>installing your rotors backwards

>>15968266
If only I could, I'm already in quite some debt, and it's a good ways away. My credit is fine, but "Not enough credit history" prevented me from getting a loan for >>15968152 this one, which is why my friend lent me the money. Plus I still have a loan out for my motorcycle, which if I sold it back, wouldn't even break it even.
>No one I know can cosign for me, or is willing to at the moment anyways.

Think I'd have a chance at it if I told him I was interested, but just didn't have the dosh at the moment? Obviously I wouldn't expect him to hold onto it or turn someone else away, but just show my interest and explain my situation.
I don't need it immediately, so I'm in no particular rush.

>>15968285
Not a whole lot you can do, unfortunately. If he's a good guy, you might be able to talk him into it, but chances are slim.

What about a rotating rotary engine? So each chamber swaps jobs after every cycle. It would have sparkplugs and tubes fucking everywhere.

Rotaries are way better than piston engines for sportscars. They like abuse and redlining and their maintenance is simple. They're easy to rebuild and to upgrade, something that seriously breaks the bank on a piston engine. They allow for insane weight distribution and reduction. They sound cool and obnoxious. The only reason people dislike them is because they know shit about working on cars, so they're too scared to find a mechanic who "specialises in rotaries".

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>>15962728

>>15962443
>Rotary has the potential to overtake pistons, but by every time it does so, racing organizations will change the rules to not allow rotaries to be on par with pistons

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Here you go, a rotary with more torque than any piston engine could ever dream of at zero RPM.

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>>15962388
nope

pic related

>>15970570
>stall for a millisecond
>controller dies
Nice car you got there

>>15968114
Every engine from that season was no longer legal the next year, under the new formula.

Mazda decided not to develop a compliant rotary because they had only won one race in 3 years.

Contrary to what Ford fags and rotards believe, LeMans is not the only race in WEC that matters.

>>15962443
Pretty much, unfortunately.
Had great potential but was never realized.

>>15970862
>only won 1/3rd of races they entered

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Got my FC Rx7 about a week and a half ago. 88k original miles and all oem. Love this car so much.

My phone camera sucks so a friend took some pics of it.

>>15973017
Nice

>>15967946
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>>15970598
The rx7 isn't in that pic tho

>>15962443
>it wasn't developed by any company other than lonely Mazda.


This is what Mazda fangirls actually believe

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>>15973020
Yeah man I really happy about it. Here's an interior pic

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>>15962377
No one actually uses those arguments you retarded faggot.

This is what the average person says when you mention a rotary:
"A what?"

Kill yourself to rid the board of your faggotry.

>>15962377
Why do rotards always seem like 17 year olds who just learned about rotaries like within 6 months?

>>15968241
Fuck i want this bad, but i dont know what the fuck I would need to get it running.

>this autistic truck driving redneck crying about "my truck engine makes for a better metro taxi engine than your pure bred racing engine with mild changes for street legality" because he knows pushrod shit can't compete with rotaries legendary race performance
Roflmao, buy a nissan leaf and stfu hippy faggot

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>>15973271
>HE'S STILL MAD THE NEXT DAY

>>15973243
Why do anti rotards always regurgitate conjecture they read on YouTube comment section and act as if spewing false information makes them an expert on rotaries?

Go back to memeing about oil top offs and whatever else, know nothing plebian

>>15973277
>he's been alt f5ing for 24 hours waiting for someone to mention him
Sry lad just read through the thread and had to point out how retarded that particular anon is

>>15973155
it looks fucking great

>>15973195
Wow very clean, that's honestly better then I thought. You did gud mang

>>15963393
Emissions: Fuck em. Look at volkswagen

>burning oil problem
What problem? It improves compression and lubrication. If you see it as a problem: remove the OMP and dump 2stroke mix in your gas tank every time you fill up 1oz-2oz per gallon of gas.

>The renesis tried to be the new age rotary, but unless you run premix or install another oil injector, they are tired by 80k

You listed the problem and the easiest solution: 1oz per gallon for premixing. Really not that hard.

>And when you do install another oil injector, you foul catalysts and end up with way more emissions output.

As if passing emissions with a no cat car is hard.

Are you just spouting bullshit every other retard on here says even though they've NEVER owned or even driven a rotary powered car? Or are you just retarded.
I daily a 400whp bridgeport TII with water meth kit and premix it.
1991, NEVER had a problem with emissions, literally easy as fuck. No cats due to bridgeport, and STILL passed. Easy.
Its not fucking hard. Its an extra 30 seconds at the gas station.

>>15967865
literally use any oil you want. Just red line it once a day to get rid of any carbon deposits left by the oil brand you use.
I used castrol GTX and have no problems. Plenty of red lines so minimal carbon deposits are left, if any.

>>15967975

>burns oil by design
Changing and maintaining oil is so hard :(

>full rebuild every 100k (no matter how cheap a rebuild is, fuck doing it every 100k)
177k with no rebuild. Add a little premix.
Even when you rebuild it its easy compared to piston motors, cheaper (can be done for about 1k for straight rebuild) and you can port it for about 50 bucks if you trust yourself. Boom more power.

>I can turn my truck on in -20F, turn it off immediately, turn it back on, rinse and repeat until the battery dies
Lol, no you can't in -20 without it hooked to a jump box.
And I can start my car and shut it off over and over. Fuel pump kill switch baby.


>most shops only have 1 guy who's in the 5th friday of every other month who knows shit about rotaries

well then he probably knows what hes doing and is so sought after he can barely be at the shop.
Not to mention the normal piston mechanics are going to fuck you raw with bull shit things to fix. No rotary mechanic will ever tell me I need a head gasket change trying to make money off me. No rotary mechanic will fuck you raw like a greasy fuck working on a piston powered car will.

Get you an rx7? You need a bicycle with training wheels and a full face helmet to keep that extra chromosome safe.

>>15973974
>400whp
Post car and mods

Sounds like a proper rotary rocket

>>15974024
s4 4port TII
Power FC ecu
Engine came with a banzia racing bridge port and studded so that saved some time and a bit of money
cracked it open, put some goopy apex seals in
walbro 255
1000cc injectors all the way around
FMIC obviously
did a bit of a custom exhast went with a Racing beat dual exhaust but basically at the manifold I had a electric bypass valve put in which exits to a 5in dump out of the passenger quarter panel for when I want to shoot fireballs.
I dont remember what turbo I got, Its a garret is as much as I remember
aem water meth kit
poly bushings all around
had a front and rear strutbar fabbed
also stitch welded the seams for stiiiifffffness
tien coils
lightweight aluminum flywheel
stage 2 HD exedy clutch, which I'm upgrading soon.
basically the stars are only the motor, port, and turbo.
other mods I cant think of
No pictures of if. I have none. The only picture I have of it is when I bought it as a shell
I dont associate myself with the car, a lot of illegal shit happens in that car.
Its pink chrome wrapped with a Big Country Labs wing. Looks like rice, but its got the power to embarrass a majority of cars that think its a shitty ricer.

>>15974099
Its dope. Haven't tracked it, haven't drifter it. I take it to the hilly parts of my states and test mine, and the cars, limits, and its still alive and so am I. I might get rid of it soon, try to trade for a CLEAN FD, but I dont know if I want to get rid of the work and love I've put into the car.

>>15974116
Take some of the parts from it and put it into a FD

From the sounds of it, its a proper tuned car. Literally no one on /o/ has this level of modification to their car. Well maybe none of the bench racers and shit posters.

I want a FD but fuck theyre expensive. I love the styling and the handling aspect. It would be a step up from a cheap autotragic pick up i bought from my family to a pure bred sports car. So theres a level of indimidation.

>illegal stuff
Like what? Im assuming it doesnt pass emissions

>>15974197
tuning I think was the most expensive aspect. dyno running it on the tune was exhilarating and terrifying lol. It was a lot of ramen noodle eating nights but I got one of my dream builds done.
It has the potential for more power. But at 400 Im pretty happy with it and its reliable enough

My end goal is my build in an FD, I would take some of the parts off to put on the FD, but most of it will have to go with the car for an FD, the fucking exhaust mods and custom fabbed strut bars were hard to make and get, so those would for SURE stay with me.

Illegal stuff? Let me preface with "Ive never done anything illegal" and anything I say is alleged.

In the past 48 hours I have, allegedly, gone an average of 100 on a 50mph rd
wont ever pass emissions
shoot 12foot fireballs
is easily 130db when exhaust is side dumped
constant speeding
2nd gear pulls at redlights
couple rolling races on the high way that reached speeds of 140
I may have turned off the lights and hit a side road, using my ebrake to slow down with no lights, as I accidentally passed a cop. Buddy at my house heard on the police radar [from what he told me] "Jesus fuck. Blue datsun going 120 on XXXXXX rd headed east, in pursuit"
Thankfully the house I drove past had blue lights outside and the reflective chrome wrap just bounced the blue off. And thank god no one knows what an rx7 is.

Its been an eventful 48 hours to be honest. seeing as its about to snow Im having fun before it goes away for winter.

thankfully when the exhaust dump is closed its not super loud. Obviously when I'm in boost its fucking loud as all hell, but theres not many cops out here, and thankfully none know me or the car, so if I take it to work I can get to work without getting pulled over.

also remember, this is all alleged. I would never admit to doing these things to risk my freedom or my car.

;)

>>15962377
>It weighs less than its transmission
It doesn't. Engine is a bit over 200 pounds and transmission is about 100.

Source: I have a Cosmo engine and Turbo II transmission in my garage.

>>15974216
remember: spotters and buddies with police scanners* (not radar, Its late, sorry) is always smart

You may ask: Where the fuck is your radar detector?!
A week ago I took my buddy (whose new to performance cars) for a ride. I did a strong pull and he got so excited he threw a random punch and punched the fucker so hard it popped off its mount and it went out my window....
New one is on the way

>>15974197
>Literally no one on /o/ has this level of modification to their car
Kek. Apparently no one on /o/ has ever bolted on a larger turbo and paid someone to tune it.

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Reminder that diesel is the future.

>>15974236
a new turbo and a tune is VASTLY different from building a car from the ground up.
I started this as a chassis.
Not a rolling chassis, a straight up chassis with nothing in it except the carpet was tossed in, the dash was still but thats its.

Parts were sourced, made, and bought a wrecked rx7 for some random bits and pieces like bolts, wiring, and odds and ends.
I think I've spent 4 years on this.

spending an hour online buying a turbo, 3 hours putting on a turbo, and driving to get it tuned is fucking noting.

>>15974241
>3.94x heavier
>1.59x more powerful
For that much weight, I'd attach a 4 rotor to each rear wheel.

>>15974249
Fuck now thats some dedication.
I dont think anyone on /o/ or even I for that matter have that level of patience. I would want to have a platform to build on but starting from the ground up. Goddamn, im impressed anon. Also liked your stories.

>>15974249
I have a car that was built up from a tub and is currently 95% complete, and another that's currently a stripped tub and a pile of parts. I'll take a picture of them in the morning. Claiming you're the only one on /o/ with any time or money in your car is ridiculous, especially when your finished product is just a big turbo TII that's functionally stock apart from a mild engine build.

>>15974252

It's like nobody reads @RPM these days.

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>>15970598
Get that trash out of here.

>>15973164
FD wasn't for sale no more, still lol at the poopra hiding in the back though.

>>15974274
Thanks man. A lot went into the build and a lot of threats to sell it were said. But it came to fruition and it's so worth it.

>>15974276
Dope. I never said I was the only one dumb dumb.
>just a big turbo TII that's functionally stock apart from a mild engine build.

Lol ok. Car has potential of +700 hp with a new turbo a bigger fuel pump and bigger secondaries. Which is about 45 minutes of work on my rx7.
Are you mad no one is giving you recognition or something?? I didn't ask for the recognition. I gave details on my build and I got some congrats and praise. i don't know why you're mad at me and talking shit. I'm glad you've got some dope projects and put crazy time and effort into it. It's better than seeing faggy wrx owners with a slightly bigger turbo making 30 extra HP
Be mad if you want to bud.

>tfw I tried to start my FD this weekend
>electrical gremlins in the fuel pump
>tfw no brap

The 13B is a brilliant little engine but it does have a few problems:

>fuel dilution of oil
>blowby
>apex seals
>the OMP system

>>15974216
glad to see not everyone here is a statist cuck.

keep it up

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>swap engine
>all pros of RX-7
>no cons of rotary
hmmm really makes me think

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>>15975431
buy a Corvette

>>15974276
Bumping to see this anons projects

>>15974328
Notice how there's no FD because this ad is from 1997 when the FD wasn't sold in America anymore. Get the fuck out of here, an FD would handle circles around an E36 or E46 M3.

>>15975431
>destroying the weight balance like that
Kills half the point of a rotary, retard

>>15974328
>>15974328
>>15974328
>>15976302
They literally had to wait until the FD was discontinued in North America to post that ad. Holy shit.

>>15973017
>>15973195
how much'd you pay?

>>15973974
>>15974011
I've heard of lots of people getting 125k+ miles on ~400hp cars with just the water meth injection alone.

I don't really see any proof anywhere that premix does shit. It obviously doesn't hurt, besides emissions, but whatever.
I don't see how spraying some oil mixed with fuel is going to do much when that oil isn't going to the parts it needs to lubricate.

Premix seems like a meme I see on /o/ and no where else. Some tuning shops recommend it, but I think they're just paid to.

>>15976757
The premix does a lot
Difference in housing and rotor surfaces is massive even after 40k miles

>>15976768
Water injection alone does that.
It cleans out the carbon build up and it looks new after you open it up for a rebuild.

>>15976757
Not premixing can make a big difference.
The renisis is notorious for not injecting enough oil into the housings and the center of the housings get scored. It's very noticing when you crack open a renisis and see scores down the center of a housing, if the person would have even added .5oz per gallon those scores could have been avoided.

>>15976757
The oil gets sprayed directly into the housing and into the rotor when premixed. It doesn't burn immediately so it can stick to the apex seals.
There's a reason my stock fc has 180k on the original motor: premixing.

>>15968282
It gives +5 to speed.

>>15976845
180k NA or FI? It's not uncommon for NA rotaries to get 180k miles on them and still pass compression.

>>15976821
That's not even the point of premix, though.

Burns clean and seals/lubricates much better than injecting dirty, hot oil.

>that oil isn't going to the parts it needs to lubricate
Are you serious ? If you run premix you still use regular oil to lubricate the rest of the engine, lol. Premix coming through the injectors actually covers the rotor housing much better than the oil injection (which doesn't atomize well at all, and therefore isn't covering much surface area). The 787B ran Idemitsu premix and that's what I use; there's a noticeable difference in power because of better compression, and I enjoy knowing that I'm taking better care of my engine than the system Mazda had to design for normies who wouldn't be willing to spend an extra minute at the pump.

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>>15962377

>>15976864
180k km yes. Miles? Fuck no and that's definitely due to pre mixing. You know nothing about rotaries if you support the stock oil metering pump.

>>15976879
You're right that the later model electric oil metering pumps on the 2nd gen suck, but that's a different issue that, sure, premixing helps with, but so does a better OMP.

Again, water injection gives you that same result or getting rid of carbon build up.

This isn't a "hur dur EPA wouldn't have allowed it" thing, either. 2stroke oil burns very clean, clean enough for 1992 emissions. If anything, they could have improved emissions this way by having less lube oil burning and having a separate reservoir for 2stroke engine to be mixed into the fuel.
And the reason premix is used in race cars is simply that the OMP doesn't provide enough lubrication on its own.

The problems with apex seals isn't a lack of lubrication. They're smooth and have springs.
It's when it knocks, OR (a problem premixing does solve that water injection also does) you get carbon deposits so thick and hard on your apex seals that they are catching on the housing and can't be lubricated properly by the OMP.

I've not seen any evidence that water injection+premix is any better than just water injection.

>>15962377
ecoboost.

>>15977428
It's almost like you didn't read my post

No matter what, injecting neutral temperature premix will be much better for the engine than hot, dirty oil that is too thick to coat anything properly.

I didn't mention emissions. There's no way in hell that normies would use premix, so Mazda had to design the OMP which is always inferior to pre mixing, not just on the S5.

Literally all that meth/water injection does is prevent knock and slightly reduce carbon buildup. The latter is a moot point because if you're hitting boost hard enough to potentially pre-ignite, and you used meth injection to control that, you'd definitely be burning the carbon up just from the heat generated. So no, it's not as effective as pre mixing at all, and they're entirely unrelated except for a small overlapping quality which would still happen if you didnt run meth injection.

>>15962388
>R32 best handling car of the '90s
>Enjoy premixing oil and fuel
Found the faggot who's never owned a 32 gtr or a rotary
t. a 32 owner

>>15976455
4.5k it's NA and needs a few repairs but nothing major.

>>15978097
Damn that's a lot of money for a non-turbo, but it's in really clean condition.

>>15976821
And it still costs more money and time than premix

>>15978145
I'm also in SoCal so everything is overpriced as fuck anyway. I have been looking at car prices for the past 3 months and you wont get anything that runs and is not a literal piece of garbage for less than 3-4k. I'm not sure if I would ever find an rx7 with 88k original miles, all oem, and this clean so I bought it. It's also my first car so you could probably guess I'm really happy with it.

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Alright, so if I wanna get into the ROTARY LIFESTYLE and have a fun weekend car to wrench on, the FC is my best option, right? Should I go for the NA or the turbo? How many miles upwards is an absolute no-no?

>>15978468
fc is the most available and cheapest.
Avoid high rust.
If it has over 100k request to see an engine rebuild receipt, if he doesnt have one its worth half of what ever hes asking for.
Go NA to learn the platform and to learn how to fix it. Get a TII if you have a crazy budget.

How many miles is a no no? anything above 100k without a rebuilt motor. I mean sure, you can get one with over 100k without a fresh motor, but odds are its on its last leg which is why hes selling it.

>>15977635
Im glad you know what youre talking about bruh.

to put it this way, seeing as hes arguing water meth does the same as premixing: Theres a reason you grease a hot pan with oil and not water.
The water evaporates and the oil lubricates and stays.

A little bit over simplified but it makes the most sense for his small mind.

>>15978468
Yeah, an FC. NA or Turbo depends on your budget. The Turbo II is just plain better. Not just the engine, but its rear end can handle more power and other things.

I think FB are prettier, but they have a live rear axle, it's hard to find one in good condition, less crash safety, etc.

>>15978519
No, it's that they have the same effect of keeping the inside of the engine clean, you retard. AND has the lower benefit of lower temps on top of that. No one said shit about water being lubricating like oil, you dumb piece of shit.
But he was saying to do BOTH. To premix and water+methanol injection.

>>15978536
are you saying that 2stroke makes it run cleaner and makes it run colder? are you autistic???

burning oil leaves carbon deposits even if it does burn "very clean"
And when the oil does burn off thats more combustion and more heat being generated as its burning.

>>15978585
Yes, you get less carbon deposits when premixing, and the premix is basically 2stroke oil.

>>15974328
>still lol at the poopra hiding in the back though.
I thought it was a Golf STi or something because the spoiler made it look like it has an extra window.

>>15978585
It runs WAY CLEANER than with the stock setup. It runs a bit colder, almost immeasurably so, because it's not injecting hot oil... but mater/meth injection does decrease the temp a lot.

>>15978585
love how 90% of the anti-rotards are people who know nothing about rotaries

>>15978861
More like 95%

4% had an RX7 and never topped up the oil so they hate it. 1% are people who're taking a college beginner course on mechanics and/or thermodynamics and hear that it is less efficient than piston engines and therefore shits on them forever with their fedora ever so slightly atilt.

>>15978861
Thank you.

I actually own one, and while there's plenty of difference in opinion among rotary owners as there isn't exactly a lot that's been "lab tested", that's a lot different from the pure retardation of people like
>>15978585
that know nothing about them.

>>15962377
lmao it used to be 2.6 now fags are saying 3.9?

>plebs mad that a 1.3 rotary outperforms pushrod trash

>>15978890
>1% are people who're taking a college beginner course on mechanics and/or thermodynamics and hear that it is less efficient than piston engines and therefore shits on them forever with their fedora ever so slightly atilt
this is very accurate

>>15962388
The only thing saving the R32 from not understeering in every corner is the AWD system.

>>15980448
AWD causes understeer, anon.

I'd just like to say I drove an RX-8 for the first time yesterday and it was a fucking awesome experience.

I've never felt anything like it, I kept asking for more and it kept giving me more, and I realized I was at 9000 RPM and was going like 90. I never noticed, the car is so smooth, so responsive, the dealership guy just laughed and told me to keep going when I noticed and I had a stupid fucking grin on my face the whole time.

I understand now, boner.

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I'm 19, in engineering college, and will need a car next year.

I want a rx-7, but I anticipate I won't have time to do any major maintenance. I love the idea of being able to work on a car and call it my own. I DD a 2010 genesis coupe 3.8 track for a year, and I loved it; I don't think I could own a car other than a coupe now. The rx-7 is gorgeous.

I'm not broke, but college is expensive. I saw a few FD rx7's that looked pretty clean, with around 50-100k miles. Most of them were around 12k-20k. I am anticipating I will be able to afford anything 15k and below. I'm willing to put in work on a car, and make it my own. I plan on modifying it, but I also want it to be a DD.

Am I a gay retard for wanting this car in its rotard form? Is it too much for me?

>>15978536
>>15978468
>>15978509

>Conning someone into getting objectively the worst RX7

The FB was the Miata before the miata existed. Light weight, LSD, and momentum car. The FC was the bastard child between the the FB and the FD where the RX7 went from momentum car, to GT car. It uses all kinds of tech, that was cool for the era, but in modern day, just makes the car heavy.(I'm specifically talking about the shocks and fuel injection system).

The fuel injection systems on car from the 80s are absolute cancer. The wiring harnesses are brittle, the electrical plugs break all the time, and it was before we properly engineered fuel injection system sensors. (Literally the AFM, TPS, are all rheostats that can't be found anymore.)

I'm gonna just say that if you get a rotary that's not a FD, get one with a carb. Delete half the vacuum lines and make it simple. The beauty of rotaries is how simple they are, once you rip of all the emissions shit off them.

I highly suggest the FB over the FC, because it's a testament to simplicity.

Also remember, the best way to make power on a Rotary is free-flowing exhaust, which they don't have from the factory. A carb will help you dial it in perfectly.

In addition, if you get an FC, get the 4 port, NOT the 6. You can always convert the 4 ports over to a carb.

>>15962377
>muh weight
>muh displacement

your power ratio is still shit, your engine burns oil like all fuck and you produce shit for power.

>its 150lbs
who cares doesn't help your car at all when your output is shit

>best handling chassis
high RPM screamers

>crazy powerful
its not

>>15962377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3uGJGzUYCI

>>15983253
350-400 wheel horsepower is typical reliable (75k+ miles even if you're racing it most of the time) output from the 13B, both NA and Turbo.

That's good power from something that's under 225lb fully dressed. And not only that, but it's super compact and low down for better weight balance than anything than maybe an H-4(that doesn't output nearly as much power and becomes a mess when you turbo it).

>>15983315
>350-400 wheel horsepower is typical reliable
but the gas mileage is absolute shit. These things have awful emissions and the emissions are the reason they stopped production all together. The seals are notoriously weak and the uncombusted fuel only adds to the problem not to mention the heat differential between the sides.

By comparison, there are far more powerful vehicles that get better gas mileage and out perform the rotaries entirely

>>15983333
On a track, the gas mileage is better than something like a GTI or STi.

>>15983128
>19
>I will be able to afford anything 15k and below
>You actually worked for the money or your 2010 Genesis and it wasn't your parents paying for everything.

>Also not enough time to do an oil change every 3k miles.

Stick to a miata it'll suit you

>>15980792
Your lack of knowledge is showing. The R32 acts in RWD until the ecu detects wheel slip then gives power to the front, hence why it does not under steer like a conventional AWD system.

Lurk more before you try to correct people.

>>15983831
It still has 54% of its weight over the front wheels.

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>>15983831
Have you driven one? They understeer both on and off power. If anything the ATTESA system pulls the front end during oversteer.

>>15983912
60% for the GTR

Still a fucking cool car though. Imagine if they used a REAL engine (20B-REW anyone?) instead of a boat anchor.

>>15986021
Triangles are love
Triangles are life

Bumping for piston hatred

God I hate boat anchors fuck

I hate hate

i hate my life
and i hate you
i hate my wife
and her boyfriend too
i hate to hate and i hate that
i hate my life so very bad

>>15986021
>>15984641

Nice meme kid, I've driven all the Rb26 powered gtr's countless amounts of times (and owned two of them - very common and cheap in australia), and also an SR20 gtir pulsar that has the attessa system - so yes, id say im pretty well versed in how they drive, can you say the same for yourself?

Its commonly noted that people who are inexperienced in driving GTR's, particularly the R32, that they have trouble with the front end not going where they want when they start to oversteer as they try to correct for the angle, and subsequently torque gets sent to the front, in turn the front wheels pulling the car into a gutter. Your lack of experience pretty much co-incides with what you are talking about in regards to the front end pulling the car. Best of luck buddy.

>>15989781
See
>>15962454
I have. I got my ass handed to me trying to keep up with an RX7 in the mountains because the pig kept understanding towards the side railings and center dividers. It will blast out of turns though with a tiny bit of oversteer and you can definitely feel the front pulling it.

>>15983333
>muh gas mileage and muh emissions
Fuck off to /n/, tree hugging bus riding hippy gay cunt! A real mans engine not some green efficient girly boy piece of cuck shit

>>15962396
damn i hope so. I'll get a grorious Mazda RX7 before 2030 and laugh at electrofags all the way to the bank.

Also is this shit real or am i being memed:
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/10/new-mazda-rx-7-due-to-arrive-in-2017.html

>>15962443
Deja vu,
I've read this pasta before

>>15992341
The source for that article was published 4 years ago. So far the most we've heard and seen is the RX-9 Vision concept.