>hellcat has 700bhp in 2016 >veyron ss had 1200bhp in 2010

>>15954202
How much horsepower does your bus make?

Sounds a bit like fox n grapes to me.

>>15954202
you know 700 hp is still a lot

>>15954219
don't go there dude bus have around 400-500 Hp and a shit ton of torque

>>15954219
Around 250bhp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Dennis_Enviro300

>>15954202
the hellcat is over half a mil cheaper,can fit the kids in the back and can actually handle.

>>15954219
Fpbp

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>>15954202

>needing a special snowflake engine with 90 cylinders and turbos to make only 1200hp

Pathetic. People have DD's with twice the hp the Veyron has from an "ancient" TT V8.

>>15954202
>hey lets compare a car that cost a million more than the other

you shitposting fuck

if you had ever fucking driven 700hp on the street you would know it's quite fucking fast.

one car's like what, under 100k and the other is multi-million dollar?

quit fucking shitposting cunt

>>15954243
>he thinks tuner cars are reliable

LOL

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I believe this pic is relevant.

If pushrods are so shitty, it should be easy to destroy them on a $ per hp basis, right?

RIGHT?

>>15954252
>if you had ever fucking driven 700hp on the street you would know it's quite fucking fast.
700bhp is nothing in the real world, still takes 10+ seconds to get to 100mph.

>>15954255

V8's are... Even with 5 figure maintenance bills they Veyron is still an unreliable piece of shit.

OP's bait post aside, the Hellcat's power figure is nothing more than numbers bragging, and the car absolutely does not feel like it makes this much power, not lastly because it's very heavy. The Raptor suffers from similar issues, it builds up to a far higher expectation than what it actually delivers, and the power it makes is completely useless for its non-towing on-road and ultralight offroad applications. American specialty vehicles have devolved into a "BUY OUR CAR INSTEAD OF THE OTHER ONE, WE HAVE THE HIGHER NUMBER" contest in the last years.

>>15954255
they are you dumb fuck.

some guy strapping a turbo and doing no forged internals is not "tuning".

a quality shop building the engine to be safe at 800hp and tuning it to 700 will last a long fucking time.

it's exactly the same as what they do in the factory to ensure longevity. the engine is usually able to put out 50-100hp more, but they keep it detuned to stay nice and reliable.

2jz is a great example.

>>15954265
perhaps in a pigfat piece of shit.

post your dyno sheets and bread on hood.

you have never driven that amount of hp on the street you shitposting cunt

especially in a rwd car. you have to have fucking respect for the car, or you'll end up like a mustang.

>>15954229
that's a weak bus mate

>>15954291
Heavy duty diesel engines make torque, not horsepower. You don't need horsepower for weight, only for speed.

>>15954289
Sit at your desk, close your eyes and count to 10. Now do the same but imagine you're driving a car.

10 seconds is a long ass time dude. I have better things to do than wait around for a Hellcat to reach 100mph.

>>15954229

hahah less power and torque than a RAM 3500

Even your guys' buses are pathetic.

>>15954309
i actually own a car with enough power i have it detuned for the street.

i can assure you, 100mph is not 10 seconds at 700hp unless you are a fucking atrocious driver.

newer cars than mine with traction and launch control can put the power down smoother and hit 100mph faster with the same amount of power.

but if you are driving in the city, or on twisty roads, even 500hp can be "too much".

i know the hellcat is fucking heavy, but even then, it's not that fucking slow. you cunts are just shitposting.

>>15954309
in what fucking world do you live where it takes 10 seconds to get up to 100mph with 700hp?

you realise a 911 hits 60mph in 2.9 seconds, right?

and it has 500hp

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>>15954274
>the engine is usually able to put out 50-100hp more, but they keep it detuned to stay nice and reliable.

Sure explains why so many modern cars have an 'overboost' feature, they don't even want you running 30bhp more than stock for more than 10 seconds.

>>15954333
> i have it detuned for the street.
pussy

but hey, if 700bhp is fast enough for you, fair play

>>15954339
please provide video evidence of a hellcat getting to 100mph in a time significantly faster than 10 seconds

>>15954339
The 911 is also not a fat, crudely engineered, numbers boasting shitbucket.

>>15954255
I don't get how people can argue against modifying cars for this reason, when supercars break 24/7, cost ridiculous amounts to fix, and are too complicated to fix yourself.

>>15954343
No, they are built for 100 more (roughly), de-tuned and let you get a little bit more for a period of time, still within the threshold.

It's marketing bullshit. A proper tuner shop does the exact same thing as a manufacturer, if you ask them for a reliable and powerful engine.

Only when you go to like a 1000hp does it become an issue.

But a 500hp tuner built engine will be overbuilt, so it can take boost nice and safely.

>>15954360
He was talking in general. The hellcat is pigfat, but any sort of decent car will hit 100 way fucking faster.

You should clarify, are you saying no car can hit 100 in 10 seconds, or just the hellcat?

>>15954360
Mine's tuned down to around 500 because i live near insane twisties.

My point is, you cannot run 700hp on the street and disrespect the car.

There are going to be roads you cannot put full throttle down on, because they are fucking garbage. I'm talking potholes, road crumbling away.

Running a powerful car on nice clean freeways is different to taking it on questionable backroads, where you can't put full throttle down safely. After a period of time it becomes annoying you can't use more than 10% of throttle.

Of course, you would understand this if you had a car putting out this kind of power.

>>15954396
>Mine's tuned down to around 500 because i live near insane twisties.
>My point is, you cannot run 700hp on the street and disrespect the car.

Perhaps just have some self control and press the pedal 30% less hard.

>>15954412
obvious you've never owned a powerful car, he's right.

plus he said his car's older, so no traction control to do the work for him = putting power down in the straights would be a lot more difficult on shit roads.

do you even know what wheelspin is? if he is having difficulty putting the power down because the road is trash, adding an extra 200 won't make you go any faster.

>>15954438
>adding an extra 200 won't make you go any faster.
If you're getting wheelspin above 120mph or so you need to reevaluate the platform you chose to go with a 700bhp setup.

>>15954412
You simply don't get it. Let me guess, you think running around with 1000hp a shit tons of lag is more enjoyable than 500hp and nice throttle response.

There are numerous factors at play why more hp is not always good.

Look at why the 911 shits all over a hellcat. It's designed to put what power it has down better, while the hellcat just spins tires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG6veF_34QE

video HIGHLY related.

>>15954447
Where the fuck did you get 120mph from, he said he lives in twisties.

He's not going to be doing 200 on hairpin bends, go back to fast and furious dipshit

his car's also a turbo you dumb fuck, do you even know what throttle response is?

>>15954463
You asked if a 700bhp car will be faster than a 500bhp car.

Will it be faster from 0-60? No. Will it be faster from 100-150? Absofuckinglutely.

>>15954447
>le 1000hp full throttle on every corner xddddd

Fuck off, busrider.

>>15954476
>what is AWD

>>15954475
Of course it will, but you missed what he wrote about why he has his car detuned. You're shitposting how he can't handle it, when you're yet to post your own ride.

If i lived in twisty roads, i would not want a laggy turbo car, but something with nice response. He made the right choice.

You know people haven't driven anything with more than 150 hp when they say 700 HP cars aren't fast lol

>>15954450

...And the FarmTruck is quicker than a Tesla, who cares? Anything can be quick to 60 these days.

Let's see a Tesla vs Hellcat race from 60 and see what happens. That's what the 700hp is really for.

>>15954490
What makes you think detuning a car makes it have better throttle response?

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>>15954489
It's sure not some magical thing that lets you ignore proper driving.

>>15954489
>what is understeer

>>15954511
And for the record, i'm detuned specifically because i live near some twisties where i cannot put the power down.

Anyone claiming you can run a thousand hp on the street and have it react the same way as a 5-600hp car is a dumb fuck who does not own anything close.

I'm running fat p zeros, rwd bias AWD, shit tons of downforce and even then i could not safely put down the power i was previously putting out on roads where i moved to.

It's a lot more enjoyable to have my boost come on quicker.

Anyone suggesting it's all about power is an idiot. There are far more factors at play.

>>15954539
Learn to drive loser.

My ride would gain 500 yards on you before you even got out of 2nd gear.

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>>15954539
>he thinks 500bhp is a lot for a car with AWD

>>15954553
Sure faggot, is that why you won't post your shitbox?

>>15954562
>>15954553
Big talk from busriders proven to already not understand basic physics.

>>15954562
>He thinks AWD is some magical thing that lets you put full power down on a hairpin bend

Let me know when you actually own a rear bias AWD car, ok?

>>15954269
>they Veyron is still an unreliable piece of shit.
[citation needed]
>inb4 that one rapper who did donuts on gravel, had a stone puncture one of the radiators, tried to fix it by pouring "stop leak" sealant into the coolant and then was pissed when Bugatti told him they had to replace the whole loop, and went on social media bitching about how bad the Veyron was

>>15954585
>drive AWD car
>enter hairpin
>reach apex
>full throttle in first gear
>spin off cliff and die

>what did i do wrongg xddddddd!?? xd

I don't like the Hellcat much either but 700hp from the factory is quite a lot for a relatively affordable car.

>>15954589

https://youtu.be/T9pqQLGnn9E

kek

>>15954612
33 anon lives in australia, where the government are slack cunts.

some of the roads here are fucking suicide, they're all warped to shit with retarded bumps that can send you flying at 300hp.

he's right though, anyone claiming that a big single turbo will be better than a smaller responsive turbo on tight twisties is a FUCKWIT.

What is Ford's answer to the Hellcat?

>>15954636
Don't bother trying to explain a smooth powerband, there's tons of f&f babbys here who think 1000hp is a good goal for a street car.

I would much rather have a well engineered 600hp car like that bloke above than a undrivable piece of shit that takes forever to spool.

Sure it's fun if you ONLY live on straight roads of racetrack quality...but good luck finding that.

>>15954646
f&f babos dont even know what power to weight ratios are.

>>15954644
Shitposting on 4chan about gm

>>15954652
Yea, i started pissing myself when they thought AWD helps you into a corner.

AWD helps you put power down at the end of a corner, it's not going to save you if you hit a bump at full power down and go airborne because australia is full of dodgy tradies who can't pave a road for fucking shit.

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>>15954646
Even 600 hp are mostly unnecessary in a street car unless you're trying to propel an utterly heavy barge. A mildly tuned LS1 will already go a long way in a decent platform.

>>15954627
>one video
>arabs
>given the jumper cables, probably just ran out of electricity from pumping ISIS themesong too loud for too long

Yeah nah do better

>>15954673
Exactly. I moved about a month ago and switched over to smaller turbos and had a re-tune.

My GTR only weighs 1310kg right now. I've got it set up for good handling, light weight and a usable power band, not the stupid power it had before (though it still puts a lot of power out at the wheels).

Anyone claiming it's more fun to have a dyno monster than an enjoyable car is just shitposting.

>>15954260
All that proves is they are shitty and cheap.

>>15954202
Veyron has 1200 horsepower and costs millions while theres mk4 supras out there with 1k+ horsepower with maybe 50k in mods


euro cars a shit

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>>15954693
>My GTR only weighs 1310kg

I really doubt that.

>>15954757
>>15954757
Welcome to weight reduction shaving off 200kg.

You do realise my GTR is a skyline GTR, which was not pigfat, right?

>>15954757
Have you seen how much the supras shave off with their CF kits?

Plus he's probs pulled out rear seats and aircon and shit, it all adds up.

>>15954772
Ah, SKYLINE Gtr, not R35 GTR- Was gonna say, you might wanna check your maths again because that'd be closer to knocking off 1200kg.

>>15954792
*1200 lbs/500 kg

>>15954792
Yea i have CF panels and a few other bits, shaved off around 200kg nice and easy.

I could get more if i was more aggressive but its nice how it is now.

Still have aircon.

>>15954746

> Radical SR8LM
> 100k car from 2009.
> Went to burgerking from uk, set lap record, went back to uk.
> Without even changing tires.
> Still has the record. Fully road legal.

We can discuss about fun cars. Fast cars debate is closed, and Europe won.

If you're not producing AT LEAST 40000000hp @ 1000rpm fucking get out my face
Cargo ship engines or nothing nigga

>>15954202
Cool, now compare price.

>>15954202
Didn't the first gen veyron cost $1.5 million?

>mfw a $130,000 tesla is faster 0-100km

>>15954662
kek

>>15954803
>Yea i have CF panels
ricer

>>15954202

Is this nigga serious? Is he really comparing a sub $80,000 american muscle car to a multi million dollar european supercar? Really? I mean come on you may as well compare bagged ramen to a meal at a 5 star restaurant with a dress code.

>>15954230
The bugatti veyron was one of the fastest cars around the top gear track, and set a half-decent nurburgring time. The hellcat has electric power-steering and is a heavy, poorly weight distributed, american muscle car.

>15954271
They've always been like that.

>>15955661
the hellcat specifically does not have electric steering, unlike like the lesser models.

I can afford a Hellcat at 20 years old

I will never be a out to afford a Bugatti

Also, protip, Horse Power is a meme.

>>15954289
This imo

Dad has a Corvette. I can barely handle the thing. He regularly slides around corners at 180mph without giving a single fuck.

HP is a fucking joke if you can't drive.

>>15955814
>Horsepower is a meme
Mk torque master

>>15954271
Begs the question, how much weight can you take off the Challenger?

Stripped interior, light wieght wheels, carbon fiber body, etc

>>15955661
>hellcat
>EPS

stop being an uninformed retard, it discredits anything you say

>>15954202
But they're completely different cars.
For one, a Hellcat is actually affordable without being a billionaire.

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>>15954202
Stop comparing muscle cars and hypercars.

>>15955837
Horse Power is a meme.

The Viper is in the top 10 on Nürburgring


The Bugatti isn't on the top 100.

>>15954746
Yes anon, there's zero modded euro cars putting out 1k+hp
fucking weeb mong

>>15954746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7vN8a1fk4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYvqpZpBZjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQmKRVEriKs

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I love when people think that the horsepower a car produces at ONE RPM POINT at WOT determines the worth of a car without considering gearing, weight, and how the car makes power in normal driving scenarios.

OP is under age as fuck.

>>15954230
>based on a 30 year old w124 chassis
>can handle

Choose one. Oh and by the way veyron cornered nearly as fast as a gt3 car at the time.

>>15954271

Trust me when I tell you that the car looks, feels and is quite fast.

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>>15954511

>>15954202
They are both shit desu

But the Hellcat gives tons of bhp for the money, so it's indeed fast for the money

Still, they both suck at the track and street, too heavy and
>Veyron consumes 100 Liters at 100km

>>15954202
yeah and 15 years ago 700 bhp would have run you nearly a million fucking dollars. You can get the hell cat for 60k.

>>15960068
The hellcat is actually really great on the road at normal speeds.

>>15954562
>He thinks he knows what he is talking about

Benchracing at it's finest

>>15954243
>dd
>no air filter