About to buy a 2000 Subaru Legacy AWD ($700) The engine's

4AG-
>new enough to buy as a crate engine

Oh.

>>15948986
>transverse in a subaru
Youre a tard

D16a1

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>>15948970

>>15948991
Be creative with it.

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good luck anon!

>>15948970
Fuck off. You're never going to do this. Fix it and keep it stock or buy a car worth modding. Or better yet, save your money and buy nothing.

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>>15949016
post the other version, you know the one

>>15948986
>>15948982
The whole point of a treequinox is the pancake engine because muh Center Of Gravity
>>15949012
Literally the only acceptable alternative to a 4 pot headgasket muncher

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>>15948970

>>15949061
>1600cc

>>15949066
You knew it was coming anyway

>>15948970
The only note worthy 1600cc I4s are 4age and miata engine.
Why limit yourself to 1600cc?

>>15949122
>Forgetting the B16

faggot

>>15949137
Its not facing the right direction for a subaru

>>15949155
>implying it can be made to
Just fab up an intake manifold and a new oil pan

>>15949162
Thats dumb

>>15949171
You're dumb
Its better than the shitty Miata 1.6, and the 4A

>>15949066
Shotglass pistons

>>15949181
Why are honda fags so faggy?
Go back to your containment thread.
Ive held back on bringing up fwd and shitty honda memes and you just keep pushing your shitty motor.
Fuck off

>>15949181
>implying the B6 is a bad engine

>>15949195
I'll do what the fuck I want princess, and I offered a reasonable way to make easily the best 1600cc engine work longitudinally, sorry you're too fucking dumb to realize this

>>15949201
I'm not implying shit, it's a fucking awful engine

>>15948970
LOL what pos engine is that in the OP? It looks like it belongs on a 40s tractor

>>15949230
>the best 1600cc engine
No
>work longitudinally
Dumb
>pushing faggy honda shit this hard and being a terrible troll
Wew

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OP is a fag and will never make either of these work with a subaru gearbox and awd if hes asking which is best, so fuck him but it is an interesting discussion.

Two best 1.6L NA are the SR16VE at 175hp and B16B at 185hp. There is an N1 version of the SR16 with 197hp but they are kinda unobtanium. Also I believe the B16 is a lighter and more intelligently designed engine than the SR. SR can be more easily made to work with RWD since it was available in RWD chassis and the B series spins the opposite way of most RWD engines.

>>15949246
>Sure it's a troll cause i say it is
Namefags are the fucking worst, too lazy to create a trip, too much of an attention whoring faggot to post as anon

It's easily the best NA 1600cc engine
You're a no fun, never think out of the box faggot
The only thing I'm pushing that's Honda is the engine

Stay BTFO

>>15949230
B6 a breddy gud NA or turbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmHSFWfjwbg

>>15949260
Oh yay another alphonse wanna be.
Try harder faggot

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>>15948970
>No turbo, no sc
>Gasoline/petrol only, no diesel, no methanol
I found a loophole.

>>15949270
Not an argument

>>15949269
Except the B16 is literally better in every way

>>15949269
But it really isn't
You have to dump a ton of money into it to make it decent

>>15949279
>open aluminum deck block
>needs "block guards" or sleeving
>needs race tier cam lift and duration
>no torque NA or boosted
No.

>>15949283
(You) need to dump money, I can boost a stock engine to 300whp.

>>15949291
Dont bother. Hes a wanna be troll honda fag.

>>15949291
>>15949291
>I can boost a stock engine to 300whp

And I can shit golden nuggets, but neither of us have proof to what we claim we can do

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>>15949291
B6 is a low compression lump of pig iron that can handle boost, and is pretty ordinary without it. B series are intelligently designed to be efficient and make alot of power for their weight NA. Don't act like they aren't well engineered.

>>15949318
What makes a B16 "well engineered"? It has an intermittent 11mm+ lift race camshaft stock. It has a below average BSFC on the low cam and a horrible one on the high cam. It has pencil rods and a weak block. It can't make torque because it was never designed to. It makes less HP than a Geo metro 3cylinder for the Geo's entire RPM band (6k?).
It's engineered..... to be a brutal compromise for the purpose of being a one trick pony. It's cool and fun and sensational but it's volumetric efficiency is well below average on the low cam, above average on the high cam (which is it's only pro) and thermally efficient nowhere.

>>15949350
Dont forget the B16B (185hp version) is extremely rare and very expensive.
It also doesnt last very long when driven hard because of weak design and high hp/liter

>>15949318
>lump of pig iron
It's actually called high nickel iron alloy. It's the kind of iron that diesel engines are made from. You'll wear out a set of rings before the factory crosshatch gets polished off.

>>15949360
No doubt. Plus they burn a shit ton of oil like most VTEC engines.

>>15949016
What am I looking at here?

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>>15949350
Okay sancho you win, enjoy your glorious miata engine.

>>15949270
He's right. The b16 is better than a shitty Miata motor and the b6

>>15949420
But hes not.
>>15949350
>>15949360
Its a shit engine

>>15949408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ye2Fn62xDc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5qGAasccK8
>only 7800rpm rev limit
come on man how can you hate this?

>>15949426
You might want some ointment for your anus miatafag

>>15949433
You might wanna try trolling harder hondafag.
You suck at it

>>15949438
Not as much as you suck dicks miatafag

>>15949438
>trolling
There's that word again, you don't know what it means
Stay delusional

>>15949442
>i dont even have a miata
>>15949445
Gr8 b8 m8

>>15949453
>WAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HAVE NO ARGUMENT
>BETTER SAY HES TROLLING
>HE SAYS HE'S NOT??? GR8 B8 M8!!!!!! ZOOMFFGG IM SO ORIGINAL!!!!!

>>15948970
You're going to run into far more trouble than you think with this criteria... for starters, there aren't really any new 1600cc engines that you can buy in crate these days. And the only 1600's capable of 10k that I can think of are old as shit (B16, 4A-GE with some balancing and cams). You're going to have a hell of a time finding a bell housing adapter to mate one of these engines to the Subaru gearbox, or assuming you get another gearbox, I'm not sure what's out there in terms of boxes that offer AWD and will adapt to the engine.

Lastly, a 1600 is going to be absolutely fucking shite in terms of being able to move a car that weight. You will have NO torque.

There appears to be a good deal of confusion.

I'm keeping the AWD, losing the tranny.
So I guess it also has to fit before the transfer case (driveshafts are nothing to have fabricated).

>Why 1600cc
Rally car rules. (Also why NA). It can be smaller.

>>15949276
Not a loophole (any engine can get NO2, legal sometimes on track)

op, if you dont buy a hasselgren 4age, youre a little bitch and wasting everyone's time

>>15949537
Doesn't the Subaru system have the front driveshafts coming directly from the sides of the transmission? If that's the case, the Legacy wagon wouldn't have transfer case running gear.

>>15949426
How is he wrong? Explain?

>>15948970
Asides from the issues of flipping the engine around, is it easy to destroke a K20 to 1.6? It'd be your best choice for an easy to build NA engine if class limits let you go up to 2L.

>>15949350
Are you fucking stupid?
>makes less horsepower that an 3cyl geo
160 to 185HP???
>rpm band 6k
Redline is 8K to 8500
Shut your who're mouth.

>>15949537
subarus have the transfer case in between the engine and trans. Youll have to use the subaru trans

>>15949571
>>15949626
Audi uses the same type of AWD setup, and many VAG engines bolt right up.

Also didn't Subaru make a 1.6 flat four?

>>15949595
It was already explained you illiterate fag

>>15949615
he is technically right because b16's dont make alot of power until about 6 grand when they get on the high cam, where geo metro shitbox is probably made to make low end power under 6k for daily driving. But its irrelevant if you know how to drive and can keep the engine in the powerband, in which case it will decimate.

>>15949406

AWD MR2 Transmission Tunnel.

>>15949637
how is that relevant to have any random 1.6 bolt to a subaru trans

>>15949664
Since OP said he was planning to ditch the stock transmission I thought I'd suggest a potential alternative.

Then again, Audi gear would need a whole bunch of custom work (mounts, shafts, linkages, etc) that you'd have to be completely retarded to pick it over the Subaru gear that's already there.

>>15949122
B16 is definitely better than those

>>15949712
Its already established thats its not
Lrn2rd

>>15948970
Revving to 10k is really high. Look into what other people in the class are running.

Cheapest option would be a 1.6 liter shitbox engine, and build it. Maybe a Miata engine could be found cheaply.

>>15949723
well i mean if you take into account the fact that they b16 is basically a motorcycle engine, and keep it in the powerband, it's much better than anything else of the same size that isn't boosted

>>15948982
All I can think of with an engine that small are tiny hatch backs, and turbo engines in sedans. Tons of motorcycle engines under 1.6 liters, but I wouldn't think they'd be much good in a car like an Impreza.

>>15949626
Well, fuck. I'll figure it out.

Anyway, thoughts on the SR16VE N1?
I'm seeing plenty used and a few crates.

>>15948991
Could make the Subaru FWD and mount the engine the same as a Civic if there's room between the frame.

Could also make it RWD with some magic.

>>15948970
As far as a transmission goes. I drive a 5 speed for a daily and doing highway speeds makes me angry when the revs are at 2 grand to go 60.... Get a 6 speed. One more gear = more room for top speed and better fuel economy.