Alright so I have been thinking for a while to get myself Mazda

anybody?

in almost every respect you'd better off with an fd rx-7, so long as you update the cooling system and replace those vacuum lines/wires that bake on top of the engine

>>15933936
rx7 prices are more than double of rx8

>>15933812
Same here, rx-8's in my country are dirt cheap with low mileage and good overall condition. There must be a reason why they are so underpriced. Would it be a good purchase for a second car?

>>15934001
The rx-8s had a lot of problems just google search it, it is one of the worst rotary engines ever

>>15934001
Probably because they blast apex seals out the exhaust every 10k kilometers

>>15933812
Dont buy a three series, you'll look like an asshole especially in germany

>>15934001
Engine is special snowflake. If owner did not take care of it (which is the case 90% of the time) the engine would most likely blow up in your face

>>15933936
They only ever sold 450 fd rx7 in germany. Very rare and expensive car.

>>15934016
how come? never noticted that makes you an asshole

>>15934001
Those cars have issues around 40-50K miles.

>>15933812
from what i heard germany (poland too if you live close) have one of the best garages that specialize in wankels, so you might consider it

if it was properly maintained and if you will also take care of it then it will be reliable
just buy a model from a later years, like 2007 at least

>>15934016
Everyone and his dog drives 3er in germany

>>15934032
Go ahead and buy a dönercorvette then

>>15933812
Die sind so billig weil sie zuviel arbeit machen.

Keine Kurzstrecken.
Immer warmfahren.
Sogar im stand abkühlen soll man die.
Saufen schnell ab wenn etwas nicht beachtet wurde.
Die Dichtungen am Motor müssen ersetzt werden. -> Motoraufarbeitung.

>>15934054
stop speaking nazi

>>15934062
sarry mate.

Was just telling him about the common stuff one hears about the car.

>>15933812

Go and be a special snowflake. BMW is the most ordinary thing you can buy.
Replace the seals when you get it so that you dont have to worry.
Ask the owner what he has done to maintain it. If he can't figure out what to tell you - turn 360 degrees and walk away.

>>15933812
Honestly I would go for the BMW especially if your looking for a daily.

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I think I will just go for Mazda and regret it in a month.

>>15934091
He would be facing the owner again if he did that

>>15934123
then buy a miata
it's safer and just as fun, it just doesn't rev as high

>>15934134
B-but they look like ass

>>15933812
Honestly, the RX8 is NOT a long term car. Rotary is ass. My mate has owned his for 6 months and it's already been in the shop 3 times (probably because he's a shit driver).

The BMW is the more reliable choice, but you won't look like a special snowflake.

Another car you might want to consider is the 350/70z (not sure on Germany pricing.)

But that aside, you'll regret the RX8

>>15934129

thats the joke

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>>15934151
nonsense my man
NC isn't that bad looking either if you look for something newer

>>15934134
>just as fun
No

The engine typically needs a rebuild around the 50k mark. Which is why you'll notice these dirt cheap ones are going for 1-2.5k. They also require you to loo after them better than other engines. It's also a thirsty fucking thing. Not suitable for daily driving.

>>15934291

Is it possible for a normie to buy a set of seals and replace them by himself?

>>15934270
yes

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>>15934291
Youre retarded nigger.

>>15934303
Yes
>>15934304
No

>>15934312
>No

Yes

>>15934315
Yes

>>15934318
Correct.

>>15933936
you could buy an rx8 and refresh the entire powerplant for the price of a barely working FD.

>>15934134
have you driven both?

if not then shut up loser

>>15934337
i did
stock third gen miata and pre facelift RX8
they are very similar, they even use the same platform

rx8 feels like it has a little bit lower center of weight due to wankel, and a bit more harsh suspension due to harder polyurethane stabilizers but these are interchangeable

>>15934306
Theres a reason why these cars are cheap. People don't look after them right.

>>15934306
Also
>you're

>>15934462

Thats why you buy from car clubs. You seek the autists.

>>15933812
I was actually in the same bind, except I ended up going with a five series.

I'd go with the BMW, just don't cuck yourself with a 325i.

>>15934748
why would i cuck myself with a 325i

>>15934123
Go for the Rx8 dude
You have to make 100% sure the owner cared about and for the car though, otherwise you'll buy a ticking time bomb.

They are good cars that will last you if you treat them right. Read the Rx8 club forums for info.

Engine rebuilds are necessary but are literally a fraction of the cost of standard piston engines. Don't be a retard and they'll last. Do the maintanence yourself, it's easy.

If you want to make absolutely sure you're safe, buy someone's Rx8 that they blew the engine and the rest of the car is clean. You can probably get one sub $750 usd, and then buy a fresh motor from mazda or a private seller for $3000. Install it yourself and take care of it from there, literally bulletproof.

If you're a PUSSY, don't get the car. It's not for you.

>>15934852
Oh, and I don't speak kraut dollaridoos so convert as you wish, nazi

>>15934455
ok ok just checking

so it must be pretty good considering how much more weight it has

desu i would buy one if i wasn't worried about engine problems simply because they're so cheap

>>15934032
confirmed shitskin

>>15935046
whaaaat

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>>15933812
The RX-8 isn't too bad, if you just treat it properly and get it from someone who also treated properly.

I got one last June, and haven't had an issue with it. I can't treat like but I treated my shitbox, but it doesn't require much effort to care fore and it's really fun to drive.

Avoid 2004/2005 though, those are the ones that give it the bad name.

Even when the RX8 works, it gets shitty shitty shitty MPG to the extent of making it an impractical daily driver. We're talking 16mpg out of a 1.3.

>>15934129
Not sure if newfag or b8

>>15934001
the underpriced cause the engine is trash and no one maintains them. swap it with a rx7 engine because at least that ll run more than 30k mi.

>>15934333
You could also buy an RX8 and single turbo 13b-rew swap it for less than an FD.

>>15935429
>1.3
Its more like a 3.9

Live, thread, live

>>15934054
>always driving warm
Isn't that a plus though? In a colder country you rarely have to use the heater

>>15934211
RX8 starting here for 1700€
some ok looking are arround 4000€
350 starting at 11000€
350z at 7000€
370z at 16000€
200sx at 3000€
316i at 100€
1€=1,11662 US-Dollar

get a 316i if you want a cheap rwd dd

I drive a RX-8 with the small 192hp engine and it's a cool car. It's exotic so people tend to think more of than it is. My buddy got the 2011 Subaru BRZ and although the rx8 isn't just as fast it does put up a fight. The engine isn't as bad as people say. My Rx8 has done 80k km without problem.

>>15940383
It should get 232 HP ya dip

>>15941673
192 is for the 4 port auto.

The 6 port manual is what gets 232.

>>15934211
Your mate sounds like a fucking retard. Rotaries are so god damn simple and Mazda build quality is great.

>>15933953
Because the rx8 is heavier and slower and shit in every way

>>15942192
>and shit in every way
Not really. I see many Chinese people driving RX8s so I trust them, specifically there are more Chinese people driving RX8s than RX7s so that's why I'd trust the RX8 and it's performance, fuel economy, and it's speed. For the record, I am Chinese and that could have be why I'm for trusting more towards the more Chinese car...

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>>15942265
i'm chinese and your post makes no sense

>>15942192
it's a different kind of car with its 4 doors. but much as i like the styling, renesis a shit and i wouldn't buy one

>>15942192
That simply is not true, please don't encourage rumors just because you've never owned one.

>>15933812
There is a lot of shitty advice here so I'll let you know what you need to consider.

First, if you are using for house to work and small weekend cruises, you will drive the car into the ground quickly. The Renesis Rotary is meant for high rpm action. It is a corner car at 7500 rpm in 2nd gear mid corner.

Because was literally designed to be a track car that could seat a family. This is the essence of why it failed to sale. Nobody wanted a 3000 - 3200 lb track car when they could get an S2K for the same price and same numbers but for 300 lbs less.

It has NO PROBLEMS at all. Lots of faggots on this board like to repeat shit they hear from other people who hear shit from people who broke theirs because they are boarder line retarded. Like fucking 2 Fast 2 Furious retarded. These are all the street racers that went "HUR DUR COLD START AT 9K RPM!" Or, they never checked the oil. Or they never reved the engine above 5k because they THOUGTH they were getting bad fuel economy.

The car gets around 25mpg on the freeway. But in the city you will hit maybe 12. Keeping in mind, you shouldn't be driving it to save gas. Reve the shit out of it and let the police know it is how it is supposed to be driven. You have to keep the engine at high rpms because the engine cleans itself out at higher rpms. Otherwise you get carbon build up. This is pretty much the only issue with the rotary, but if you take care of it, there is simply no issue.

As far as the misconception of torque. It has similar or better numbers than all its production year competition. Don't worry about power, though, it is designed for corners.

If you plan on fitting ANYONE in your car, you won't be able to use the back seats, unless of course you and your first passenger are fucking midgets. The back seats are shit for space and were literally put in for sake of insurance.

This car is designed for competition with family in mind. Take care of it and it is rewarding.

>>15942555
damn

Love my 6speed gt. 250 hp master race. By dumb luck.

I was going to buy an rx8 since they're pretty fucking sexy looking but reading the sticky at clubrx9 turned me off completely. a quart every 1000 miles? not knowing if it's been taken care of? no way it's worth trying to deal with a seller--even private. because why are they selling it? probably because it's starting to fuck up. and you have to do all that stupid compression testing shit before you buy it? fuck that shit. if you're considering a used car there's other options out there.

Get the rx8 but expect to rebuild the engine, regardless of how good condition it is in. On the plus side the newer the rotory the easier it.is to extract the engine out of the car to rebuild it. On the '8 the engine can be disconnected from the electrical harness with two plugs. Fd? You'll be pulling the enntire harness with the engine.

>>15934291
>you need to take apart the engine every 4-5 years
You should be doing this with any sports car anyway.

I was also considering an RX8 as a trackday - weekend car, and for the same reasons as OP. While the prices of similar cars are on the rise recently, the RX8 prices are bottoming. I understand the car has it´s issues, but it seems to be a great choice considering my budget and the kind of driving i will use it for.

As someone sugested, instead of trying my luck with a "ticking bomb" average RX8, i was considering buying a cheap one with low compression - blown engine and installing an exchange rebuilt engine with a years warranty (would do the job myself). There are at least a couple of rebuilders in the UK that i assume can do a proper job rebuilding rotaries, and the prices look reasonable. If i could find a car cheap enough it could be done for less than a running car and i would be sure the car it´s "clean" and it get´s the proper use and manteinance.

>>15945793
Don't pay someone else to rebuild your engine, rotaries are simple as fuck and rebuilders in the UK charge a fortune for a job you can do yourself in a weekend. You can get literally every Mazda factory manual concerning rotary cars from http://www.rotaryheads.com/PDF/ which tells you how to take everything apart, bit by bit, check for problems, then put it all back together again.

>>15945841
I´ve seen a full assembly video, and it´s true it doesn´t look too bad. But being honest, i don´t think i have the skill to dissasemble an engine, diagnose the parts that need refreshing and putting it back together. Also, if i buy a non working RX8, it could either just need new seals or need new rotors, housings... due to a blown seal, and would need a replacement engine anyways.

Anyways, if i end up picking a car, i may try decarbonizing the engine first and then dissasembling the engine before getting a replacement, who knows, may just hit jackpot. Thanks for the link, it will be useful to do some research.