Since magazines can't do anything right, it's time

>>15909911
>it's time for /o/ to definitively decide the world's greatest drivers' car
>it's time for /o/
No.

>those contenders

No.

>>15909911
And yes, the Miata and FR-S are conspicuously missing. If all goes well, they'll compete the /o/ Drivers Car Championship: Kids Table Edition at a later date.

>>15909914
>Buttmad GT-R fanboy detected

>>15909917
GTR doesn't belong either.

You didn't put an age range for the cars, so all of your shit is wrong.

>>15909914
What cars do you think are missing?

>>15909917
Let's keep GT-R shitposting out of here. It exists for a different purpose.

>>15909920
Sorry, I thought it would be understood that I'm talking about cars currently in production.

>>15909911
>muh pigfat
>Not everything over 3000lbs
Anyways, even by your definition of pigfat, pigfat cars can be drivers cars. See: V12 Aston.

>Muh forced induction
A car with forced induction can be just as much of a drivers car. A 930 will be just as involving as a GT4, for example.

>Muh AWD
A lack of slip does not mean a lack of involvement.

>>15909916
Because they're not 2016 models - and the Miata already lost to the AMG GT last year.

>>15909952
I'm not saying those things are bad, but they're not things you put in a drivers car. Same with automatic transmissions. They're better than manuals for plenty of things but they have no place on a drivers car.

>Because they're not 2016 models
What did he mean by this?

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>>15909911
Aston Martin v12 Vantage s
>manual
>v12
Americucks need not apply

>>15909911
not gonna lie, the new shelby GT is fat as fuck, but it's a good car. And it's only 60k, but competes with 100k or more cars. I really fucking hate mustangs but i like this one.

>>15910149
>but they're not things you put in a drivers car
A driver's car is about driver involvement, not about how it works mechanically. AWD and forced induction can still promote driver involvement.

You're kinda true about an automatic transmission - but if it deliberately shifts (heh) attention towards another aspect of the car that either requires it, or is more enjoyable, then yes, it can make it more of a driver's car. Most automatics aren't designed for this though - they're all about performance instead of stepping aside and highlighting a chassis, steering, or engine.

>What did he mean by this?
They do not offer anything new for their 2016 model, unlike, for example, the new GT-R, which has been significantly refreshed.

>>15910180
>60K
You try finding one at that pricepoint. They're regularly selling for 10 to 15K over MSRP - and 60K only gets you a regular 350, not the R.

>>15910169
It's a GT car in the same vein as the Jaguar F-Type. Both are too fat to compete. The Camaro may be as well; I only included it because the Mustang made it in.

>>15910195
60k msrp gets you a 350r. And yea, i was going off of msrp

>>15910195
>yes, it can make it more of a driver's car.
No, it can't. Ever. Under any circumstances. It's painful how close the 4C was to perfection.

>>15910204
60K MSRP gets you a buttload of nothing, or a nicely optioned regular GT with money left with gas. It most definitely does not get you a 350.

>>15910211
Except the 4C is a classic example of a gearbox taking up all the attention, and being rubbish at it.

Had that thing been actually good, and focused driver attention to the great steering or peppy small engine, it would've been amazing. However, that would've requried an amazing automatic, not just a good one - and Fiat used an abominable one.

>>15910218
There exists no automatic gearbox good enough to salvage the 4C. Or the 458, for that matter.

>>15910218
nigga, it says on ford's site, 62k msrp for 350r. Am i missing something here, or are you just talking out of your ass?

>>15910223
>There exists no automatic gearbox good enough to salvage the 4C.
One of VW's DCT's might be somewhere near good enough - but probably not.

>458
THat actually had a decetn DCT afaik. Y>>15910223
u're thinking of the F1 360's and 430's, which are utter shit - hence the price spike on manual models.

>>15910224
>Manufacturer
>SUGGESTED
>Retail
>Price
That suggestion may be true, but dealer's aren't sticking to it. I can't find a single 350R for 62K.

>>15910229
but i said i was going off of msrp for the 350r, and you said that 60k msrp wouldn't get you one, but it would.

Regardless, the car is really good for its price range and it seems like a really good drive.

>>15910240
It would only if you could directly buy from Ford for 62K, but sadly you can't. Fucking price gauging dealership assholes.

Still a good value for the money, agreed. Now let's see what the next Z/28 will do.

>>15910229
No, I was alluding to the fact that even what's arguably the best automatic transmission in existence isn't good enough to make up for the fact that it's an automatic. I'd own the fuck out of a 458 and drive it ragged, but it's still not a drivers' car.

right, let's leave it up to busriders who can't afford a single one

have never driven them

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Obviously.

gt4

the fact that you stupid faggots think you know more about cars you could only DREAM of driving than people who drive them extensively is hilarious.

>>15911634
Yup GT350R wins hands down in this group of cars.

This is a fucking Ford contending with Astons, Mclarens, Vipers, etc and yet it produces an incredible laptime, is easily streetable as pre every single review, and is marginally cheaper than any other contender minus the SS 1LE (also a great value).

It's one of the best looking, produces 100hp per liter naturally aspirated, has magnetically variable dampers, manual transmission, IRS, and pretty great interior materials too.

I don't like mustangs much at all but shit man the GT350R is a dream of a car.

>>15909911
>9911
>911
Porsche won.

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>>15910169
>>15910180
>>15911634
>>15911662
>>15911723
>>15911940
>Not snek

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>>15909911

>>15912139
>not n/a enough to be a proper driver's car
>not turbo enough to be a proper Turbo
MAKE UP YOUR MIND PORSCHE

>>15912139
That's just a Carrera S, though. The GT3RS and GT4 are much better cars.

>>15909911
so op picks the cars we vote on?


uh no fuck off

>>15909911
>Porsche 911 GT3RS

cars without manual gearboxes need not apply either faggot

>>15912451
Porsche agrees, luckily. The 991.2 GT3 RS is rumored to come in manual as well.

>>15912492
Nononononon, the limited edition GT 3RS R with only 500 units will have that manual, of which 200 will be allocated to Northern America. MSRP will be about 160K USD, before the dealer markup and price gauging almost doubles that. That is, if you can find one, because they'll all be sold quicker then you can say ''dieselgate''.

>>15912536
I think the non-RS GT3 will have manual available

I'm pissed that they dismissed the amg GT just because it won last year

>>15909925
The MX-5, RX7, AW11, AE86, Volvo 240 and Twingo. And a blue corvette.

>>15912536
OP here, I wasn't actually aware of that. That was a very unfortunate decision by Porsche.

>>15912653
Of course that's not going to happen - but seeing how Porsche marketed the GT4, GT3 RS and 911R, it might happen once they make a manual GT3.

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>>15909911
4 American cars vs 2 German cars

>4 american cars

TOP KEK

>>15912706
this is what happens when manufacturers care more about laptimes than driving experience

>>15912706
Japs don't care about drivers anymore. It's basically just Mazda and the Miat would get BTFOed in this company.

>>15912983
The problem is the Z07 aero package. It's the same reason the Corvette got #rekt by the Viper ACR at MRLS. The Z07 ductail is much higher drag than the ACR and NISMO wings, while providing less downforce. Taking it off doesn't even help because Z06 is already notoriously tail-happy at speed, even with the spoiler. If the Z07 package included the C7.R wing, it would easily outperform the GT-R NISMO and Viper ACR.

>>15909911
Porsche Cayman, objectively.

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>laptimes
>laptimes
>laptimes

Every single car mentioned will be forgotten by history.

The 911R will remain, standing alone against understeering benchracing, electrics/hybrids with dull driving feedback, cartoonish styling appealing to children, and artificially exaggerated noise (looking at you Jaguar F-Type)

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>>15912983
>4WD GT-R
>not even close to twice as fast as 2WD Corvette

>>15913180
it's great but you are vastly overestimating the appeal of it. the average casual car enthusiast probably won't ever know or care that this exists.

>>15909911
>since magazines can't do anything right
You're just assmad over their decision(s)

Missing from Honda Motors
>Civic
>Accord
>CRX
>S2000
>NSX
>Integra
>Prelude
>a whole bunch

Missing from Toyota Motors
>WRX
>Outback
>AE86
>FR-S/BRZ/GT86
>Supra
>MR2
>God dammit, I just can't list them all

Missing from Renault
>I dunno about actual Renaults, sorry
>Lancer
>Spyder
>Fairlady/Z car series
>Skyline/GT-R series
>I don't feel like pointing out my Nissan Scum status so I'll stop here

Missing from Suzuki
>

Missing from Daimler
>just realized I honestly know jack shit about German cars

Missing from Mazda
>MX-5/Mi@a
>RX-7/RX-8
>Mazdaspeed3

Missing from Ford Motors
>Probe GT
>Thunderbird
>Bronco II/Bronco
>Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis/Town Car
>some udders

Missing from Chrysler-Fiat
>Stealth
>Challenger
>300/Charger
>a lot of mopars, they might suck, but they are FUN to drive

I could go on, but my point is there.

Also
>Cayman
Slower than a Maxima

>>15913543
stopped reading at Honda Accord

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Motor Trend said a Chrysler Cirrus and a PT Cruiser were their car's of the years not more than 20 years ago

Who the fuck cares what an auto mag thinks.