does /o/ have any opinions of the mk3 supra? i know you guys

slow, head gaskets, pigfat as fuck, shit suspension geometry, zero turn radius, can't turn.
they also look like shit in my opinion but a lot of people defend them because they think they look good

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I think most of /o/ generally agrees that the mk3 is good. It's one of the few old japanese cars that can be bought for cheap and is pretty easy to make it fast. Looks good too. The bad things are the headgasket in the 7m engines can blow if the headbolts are not torqued properly. More of a matter of when, not if if the problems not fixed. It's also very heavy and it's turning and suspension leave a lot to be desired. But at the same time it is a GT car so quick handling and weight was not a prime concern when it was designed I guess.
Overall, if you have the time and a bit of cash, it's a solid car if you're looking to buy one. Just be prepared to get your hands dirty when you have to fix something on it.

Pic related, my mk3

>>15883744
would be a nice first car?

>>15883570
just bought one and fixed it up. pretty solid, heavy, not very fast, still cool. i like it.

>>15883575
>shit suspension geometry

quite the opposite, it's pretty great.

this idea came from a blogger trying hard to fill the last couple entries in his "top ten" list, and somehow it stuck.


>>15883779
no, an old japanese sports car that requires regular maintenance (and solid tuning knowledge) would not make a nice first car

>>15883570

can we finally presume, that after 30 years, all the headgaskets on the 7m have already blown and been replaced?

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>>15883744
I love that car, man. I've been lusting over them for a long time. Hopefully I'll find one one day, but until then I'll just be jealous

>>15883570
How hard would it be to make one handle well? More than just coilovers and an alignment?

>>15884628
Maybe? Both my 7mgtes had stock head gaskets but arp studs. I'm not sure whether either of them were original though. Now I have a 2mm HKS stopper in my built block

Supra is my favorite car of all time. its a grand tourer type of car. 7mgte can easily reach 500bhp with proper mods. I have a 1jz mk3 that hits 350bhp with light mods. Handling is crips. Ride quality is superb. My advise is to ditch the 7m and go with a 1jz or 2jz

Heavy, wide. I don't care how much hate it gets, I like it

>>15884860
1j and 2j are only really good if your power goals are 350-450hp. Anything under 350hp the 7m can make with bolt-ons. Beyond 350hp the 7m needs upgraded internals, while the 1j and 2j can make up to 450hp with bolt-ons, probably closer to 550hp for the 2j. However beyond these power numbers all 3 will need built internals, but can handle 900+hp, so save the extra $2500 from a 2j or 1j since a built 7m can do all the same stuff.

>>15885073
2jz can make 900hp+ without opening the engine

>>15883570

overweight garbage

but it has pop up headlights, so /o/ will tell you it's wonderful

>>15884591
it's not a sports car , it's a highway cruiser

>>15885080
utter nonsense 450 is about the max you can do on a very good factory 2j if you expect more than a coupl of pulls

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>>15885080
>>15885109

The generally accepted threshold for power on a factory 2JZ-GTE is around 650 - 700hp before doing the top end, around 800 for bottom end.

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My 1jz vvti swap. Torque kicks in early around 2k rpm. Pleasure to drive.

>>15885291
serious question, why not an ls?

>>15885331
I naturally went with a Toyota engine.

>>15885331

There's a Mk. III with a twin turbo LS setup running around Edmonton, hood stacks and whatnot

>>15885382

Also a 1JZ swap into that car is hilariously easy, it was designed to fit

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>>15885331
because the 1j and 2j are the gook equivalent of the LS.

got one myself, it doesn't like u turns but damn it handles at high speeds.

turns a 40mph turn into a 70 or 80mph turn
>>15884876
>>15883575
>>15884023
>>15885089

also, what people forget moreso than this cars existance. is that it's lighter than nearly all other cars this market was meant to tackle at the time, being the american ponycar GT car market.

also realize that this was toyota's top of the line car. lexus wasn't made for another four years. this was the most expensive car you could buy from toyota, and a lot of it went into luxury.

if you don't own one and are stout on benchracing then you're not going to understand people's love for the car. but i've never seen someone who's owned one of these and hated it for any reason.

>>15885264
>generally accepted
among who? certainly not tuners worth their weight

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/136499-stock-long-block-2jz-gte-1043-whp-808-tq-gt47-80-e85.html

>>15885417

I don't see anything there disproving what I said

>>15885427
you say the threshold is 700hp for top end, 800hp for bottom end
i post a build of 1000hp engine with both the factory bottom and top end

>>15885432

Oh, I thought you were trying to say that my estimate was too high.

>>15885409
Well said. One thing I love about the supra is how much it can haul. I've gone on several road trips and camping trips in my supra. Highway driving in mountains is great.

>>15885432
7M can make 1000hp too. but it does have to be built.

Rarely riced. That's already a bonus.

>>15886408
I found one with the engine and tranny out for 3500. 5k with the engine and tranny but I figured it's a solid project since it's mint. No rust. Thoughts?

>>15885417
This does not apply to any sort of reliable engine.

The 2jz is great, the block is superb...but don't be as bad as GTR fanbois and live in complete delusion land.

Yes, it can make 1000hp on a single dyno run and then shit itself a few days later.

Or you can build it with forged internals for a reasonable price and MAINTAIN that 1000hp.

You cannot have both reliability and massive power on a stock block.

Also, massive single turbos are not driveable or fun on the street.

>>15886565
You speak the truth. This applies to other engines as well, like the RB26 and LS engines.

They are fantastic engines, but any fanboy who claims they magically hit 1000hp and maintain it is a liar.

Occasionally, they can do it for a couple dyno runs when not under load.

You NEED forged internals and acid drenched block to be reliably putting out power on any engine without fear it will shit itself at any given moment.

This is not to knock any of the engines either, the fact they can reach such high power for even a few dyno runs on stock internals (with the block holding) is what's fantastic.

>>15885409
It is heavier than a turd gen, fox body, almost any other car of the time and is only about 100-150lb lighter than a 300gt VR4. my 5spd targa turbo weighed 3670 on a truck stop scale.

>>15886596
How are they so fat???

It's a meme car

>taking the meme seriously.

>>15886612
No u

>>15886607
I dunno the targa adds about 150 from what I've heard and mine was fully optioned. the 7m didn't give me any issues up to 244k when it spun a main bearing. mine was stock boost with only a turbo back exhaust though.

>>15886607
It's a grand touring car, not a sports car.

>>15887182
What is grand touring?

>>15887340
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_tourer

>>15886547
Not in the US, so can't really tell you what's considered a good price in dollars, sorry. But yeah, the body in a good condition is more important since various you can use various Toyota JZ engines and other internals.
mark2/chaser/cresta/crown/supra80/soarer30 all of those have compatible parts

>>15887561
i paid 2200 for mine almost mint condition just some clearcoat damage on the roof and a tiny spot of rust under the paint thats coming up about 2.5 square inches, needed about 1000 dollarydoos of parts and a solid 3 weeks of installing and waiting on deliveries since it was sitting for eight years. grandma owned, bought a caddy and never touched it again, 114k miles

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>>15884628
It depends who you buy one from. I got mine from the original owner who was an older lady. I doubt she knew what a headgasket is.

>>15884830
Stiffening the suspension apparently vastly improves the handling on these things, so that would be a start.

>>15886547
3500 for the body would be reasonable if it's in absolutely mint condition. Putting a motor and tranny in would cost you probably at least 2-3k depending on what you put in which would bring it up to around the cost of a clean one with an engine and tranny already in it. So it's up to you if you want to put some work into it or just spend all the money at once and get one already running.

>>15887994
stance just makes the car look damaged to me.

and it shouldn't even go on a car like that.

but fun fact- the gooks love the mk3 supras for some reason, they're thousands more over in japland.

how light can these be made?

>>15889688
without altering the structure about 3000lb fully stripped with some lightweight parts.

>>15883575
> zero turn radius

if by zero you mean huge

>>15889707
Most of that is the suspension they put in. which it makes up in cornering.

tis be very grippy, ain't a driftmobile, but it'll beat a lot of people out in grip runs.

>>15890293
mine slid just fine, turbo has a factory lsd, put a weir kit in it and drifted on command. the only problem I had was a tendency to push in tight corners unless I flicked it in and skidded the whole way. best in fast sweepers, they are a gt but dont do a terrible job when you ask them to be a sports car.

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>>15888490
I agree, I prefer the look of the car stock. That was just the first mk3 picture I found saved on my computer.
I didn't know that they were so popular in Japan though, that's pretty interesting.
Another interesting fact is that Kazunori Yamauchi, the creator of Gran Turismo was apparently inspired to make the game series after seeing a mk3 supra when he was younger.

>>15890358
when i say thousands more, i mean both in ammount (of the 1js) and price tag.

the street racer's tax is much higher over there, like to the point that that car and an r32 are sold at the same price.

just to think that the gooks hold the mk3 in same regard of the GTR boggles my mind.

>>15890390
maybe the mk3 has some potential to it that we haven't unlocked yet. is it the sleeping god machine?

>>15890423
they got the 3.0 turbo A and the 2.5 gt twin turbo R

I want one too.

>>15890390
I guess it's because they got a version with a 1jz as stock rather than the 7m like we got in North America. At one point the Turbo A supra was considered the fastest production car in Japan at one point iirc, so with that in mind I could see how they would compare it with the skyline

>>15890358
i miss group A

>>15890423
Well, it has 1JZ-GTE and mk4 has 2JZ-GTE so both can be boosted like crazy, but for some reason only 4 is considered (outside of Japan) a fast car even though they both weight 1,5 tonnes.

>>15891457
7M takes crathy boost too. don't forget that people have brought out 1000 hp from a 7mgte

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>>15883575
>he read the speedpress.wordhero article

Everything you posted is wrong except the headgaskets and you should feel bad about it

OP, read the fucking sticky, I made sure LPG included the MK3 for a reason. Dont buy one unless you are a seasoned mechanic with an empty garage and money to burn. It will have problems, and it isn't cheap to fix either. Kids think buying a MK3 Supra is a shortcut to the big leagues of street cred, bypassing the lower Civics, 240's and Miatas. It's a commitment to keep it running and driving properly.

TLDR buy a Civic

>>15891489
>buy a Civic
This is why you should all have tripfags filtered.

>>15890718

fun fact the 3.0 turbo A was a 7mgte

>>15891498
>OP already said it would be his first car
>MK3 listed under special snowflake section on sticky
>"cars in this section are well like by /o/ but can be overwhelming to maintain"

OP needs something simple, forgiving, cheap, and with good aftermarket to satisfy the tuning bug, and a Civic fits the bill perfectly. The last thing he needs is an expensive to maintain, difficult to work on old GT car with a ton of advanced wiring systems

>>15891530
my toyotas been very durable for a hundred thousand miles plus the one hundred thousand miles i bought it on.

i actually have no idea where you're coming from.

>>15891543
All my other Toyota's were too, but the MK3 is not a good choice for a first car/poorfag car. It's like dating a supermodel: don't be fooled by her good looks and seductive hips, because she'll suck every cent out of you, bitch and moan a lot, and if she isn't treated right, she won't do a damn thing

>>15891573
200+k mi turbo owner here, you just bought a lemon. NA supras are tanks but not very fast. Turbos can give you woes but it's usually just dry rotted vacuum lines if it is stock.

>>15891573
yeah, it's granted that you have to know how to properly keep a car, know how to treat it. it was my first car, but my father had been a mechanic for 23 years and methodically taught me how to 'properly' keep a car like that, without breaking it, i mean.

>>15891592
I think he was talking about stuff besides the drivetrain.

Anyone of you guys who owns one live in NY and trying to sell?

>>15891690
>rust belt
You do not deserve to drive this car on the east coast.

>>15891709

>i deserve to drive better cars because i live in a babby tier hugbox climate where the weather never changes so i dont have to figure out how to maintain my car or decide if i need to wear a jacket before i go outside

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>>15891526
Ah you're right I totally forgot that.

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>>15891709
I live in Ontario and I drive one of these. Only in the summer months though.

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I love mine
>pic was when it was my bros, bought it off of him

>>15891775
DEJA VU

>>15891632
You faggots expect every accessory to work on a near 30 year old piece of complex machinery?

>>15892372
Why are you so angry? We don't expect it, that's why the other guy adviced a beginner to buy a simpler car.

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Hey owners, does sitting in it feels like a luxury car and stuff? I wonder if it's a better grand tourer than the Soarer.

>>15892554
the seats can be adjusted 12 ways and come in all leather interior.
the car is so wide that i cant touch the other door when in the driver's seat.

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>>15891709

Yea bruh, because everyone in NY is a dumbass who doesn't know how to prevent rust or keep their car in a garage. Aye senpai you forreal know what you are talking about my dude.

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>>15892554
Yeah it does feel like a luxury car. At least, luxury for being a 24+ year old car. A/C, cruise control, TEMS or Seat Heaters if you have a Canadian model, 12 way adjustable leather seats, power windows and mirrors and it had a really good sound system at the time. You had the option of either a spare tire in the trunk or a subwoofer too.

Pic is the interior of my mk3

>>15893264
The driver-centered dash always looks extra cool.

I had one for my first car, even was rusty.
Had to fix the knock sensor wire, do the clutch, replace master and slave.
Also tuned up the ignition components.
Never had any issues besides the resonator rusting out.

>was a beater, treated it as such
>NA 5 speed

Only electrical issue was the taillight module always had a failure light on the dash.
>lights worked fine.

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>>15894277
It's definitely nice. I wish it was a little more wrapped around like the Mk.4 supras but it can be handy when you have a co-pilot picking the tunes. To me, having a driver-centred dash is a true sign of a driver's car

>>15894765
i like the 80s jet fighter look, gooks done did a good job on the styling.

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>>15891457
would it be silly to put a high revving 1UZ v8 in a mk3? i feel like that would be dank.

i want to embrace the thicc.

>>15895693
Ah hell yeah.

now that's a pony car i'd want to drive.

>>15891783
where at? i have a nearby neighbor who has one and i might buy it from him. we should hang out.

>>15895693
What kind of upgrades can you even do to a 1UZ? How much do they weigh? Are you telling me those old LS400s could be potential highway rockets?

>>15895693
Are those carbs?
Why

>>15896389
the uz is EFI, mate.

>>15896745
That's why I asked since they look like carbs to me

I can beat the turbo variants with my Celica.

So yeah they're turds.

>>15896799
>i can beat a thirty year old Grand Touring car stock with my 10 year old sports car.

what fun is there in making sense?

The greatest thing about the 7M is that it is a torque monster. The 2jz is a perfectly square engine with a bore and stroke of 86mm. The 7M has a bore and stroke of 83mm by 91mm. This makes a much torquier motor. There is a guy in my town who has a 2jz swapped MK3 Supra and it makes 600 whp and about 450 ftlb. His old 7M had 350 whp but almost 500 ftlb. This makes it a very fun street motor, and helps haul the 3500 to 3800 pounds that is the MK3.

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Had one for about 5 years. >>15891489 is right, you're constantly fighting just to keep it on the road. Let me give you a break down of all the stuff I fixed during my first 2 years

1. Head gasket re-torque
2. Fuel injector o-ring leak
3. Intake manifold gasket leak
4. Wheel bearing
5. Clutch master cylinder leak
6. Radio antenna

Granted, it's a 30 year old car at this point, but you'll either become a good mechanic from it, or waste a ton of money on it

>>15897016
Isn't there a secondary "antenna" in the rear windshield or something? I've never fixed mines and I still get the radio stations near me.

>>15895693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgoFb5OKG9s

Pretty dank, even for the toegay

Mine was nice until the retard that stole it wrapped it around a tree. Thankfully the engine I swapped it was still perfect.

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I-I'm basically a 4 door supra, r-right?

>>15896389
Perhaps independent throttle bodies

>>15897016
Sounds alot better than my 06 gti

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>>15897575
Yes, but people would mostly think of Chaser in that regard (even though they only really differ in looks). Tourer V is basically Japanese M5.

>>15897575
>>15898478
Chaser is actually lighter that the Supra and I would assume it has better weight distribution too.

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1473651356941.webm
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1473651655203.webm

>>15898478
>>15897575

Did the cressida share the same platform as the A70 supra or just the engine/transmission?

>>15900495
no, but the supra got a lot of luxury things from the cressida (when it was made) like upgraded stereo and whatnot.

once again, realize that the MK3 was basically the Lexus RC-F at the time. it's original price, in 1985.5, was about 30K

>>15901305
>30k
Jesus

>>15895693
>would it be silly to put a high revving 1UZ v8 in a mk3?

the 1UZ was originally intended for the MK3's mid-life engine refresh instead of the 1JZ , so no, not at all.

(They kept the 1UZ Lexus-only to strengthen the brand)

>>15883570
Buddy of mine has a twin turbo JDM imported one. It looks cool and it's pretty damn fast.

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>>15903380
First read that as "this body of mine has a twin turbo". I've been watching too much Gundam.

>>15904050
no such thing as too much g gundam imho

>>15903380
I used to own one that was 1ggte swapped. Slower than sin but still beat any civics I raced.

>>15903324
Source? Just curious, not trying to call you out.

>>15883570
I much prefer the design of the mk3 to the mk4 and frankly in my (video game) experience I prefer the handling and power.

>>15906697
this