Dealership technicians report in. I want to get a general consensus

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>>15788533
Subaru reporting in. It's getting better in terms of interior. But we're getting bombarded with recalls.

>>15788735
Are throwout bearings prematurely failing on BRZs? Mine is shitting the bed at the moment and there are plenty of Google results of others having the same issue. I've never had to deal with it in any manual I've owned so I'm curious. 2013 6mt limited btw. Pls help.

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Acura here.

This dealership in particular busts my balls. We're also balls deep in recalls and warranty work. It's about 25/75 on buying big repairs like steering racks. Brakes are done pretty often. NSX just dropped so everyone's pissing themselves over that too. Otherwise, I'm sitting here half the day waiting on a 0.6 airbag recall or some brake concern that leads to a warranty front brake job for 0.9

I am envious of Subaru guy because I have a WRX.

>>15789112
Are the claims on the TLX transmission overblown?

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>tfw the Toy techs are too busy to post

>>15789130
We still have people coming in for that shit. Luckily I don't do those, I get stuck with the TL update and AT service. At least none of them have had a judder afterwards, I don't want to replace torque converters.

>>15789130
I honestly think it is, but I can get the PDF off of Honda iN network and you can read up on it.

>>15788533
What are cool perks of being a mechanic for dealer? You get huge discounts on buying new car?

Infiniti warehouse fag here
Not fucking looking forward to redoing half my shelves just to fit the new Q60 parts and that fancy fuck new engine for the crossovers.

Anyone else shitposting from the shitstool right now

>>15789179
That depends on who owns the dealer. Usually, kinda. You DEFINITELY want to find a local dealership network owned by some rich local family if you want decent bennies. This one gives me a huge discount on cars, and a hundo back on every payment.

>>15789179
At Acura you get to be part of an Employee Lease program, and sort of lower car prices, but that's about it. It's not like a buddy buddy deal where they sell you a car with 2k on it for 5k less. Here when we're done with work and off the clock we can work on our own cars and generally nobody says shit about it unless the owner niggers his way in here.

>>15789181
I generally just play games on my phone from the shitstool. There's two stalls so I can get away with being in there for a while.

>>15789192
This rich family is jewish as hell. We have to pay $5 a week for a coffee/water fund, and we can't get the bottled water from the front, so we're at the mercy of whoever feels nice enough for the day to put the water in the fridge that never gets cold. If anything goes wrong under our hands we pay for it (I had to pay $117 for a spare tire that I didn't catch on a used car inspection, co-worker had to pay for rotors and pads for something that was the service writer's fault, etc.) I'd talk to the people who work there before jumping in head first.

>>15788533
3 year Infiniti here
Should I apply for tesla abandon gas boxes and accept future?

>>15789146
How are the automatics on the TL and TSX? Generally not shit?

>>15789228
Generally yeah. They're pretty reliable. I see cars come in with 180k+ and their transmissions shift fine on test drives. Usually they're in for brakes or fluids.

>>15789222
Tesla has ridiculous expectations, fuck that company.

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>BMW
>Not a tech, I do collision

BMW's are by far the easiest to get into (an 8mm socket and a clip tool will take the bumpers, fenders, liners, and all exterior plastic off), but the fucking hardest to do any deep work save Audi (fuck those).

Mercedes can all die in an electrical metal fire, everything about them is fucked forever.
People who work at our shop have quit Mercedes dealerships because they're so fucked.

Murrican manufacturers and pretty alright save the little quirks and goddammit Ford stop with the mile long Christmas trees.

Asian cars are alright if they're from Japan, but fuck anything expensive and Korean at the same time.

>>15788735
Massive BMW recalls too, literally thousands of child safety seat mounts welded in so far. "So far" meaning past 3 months.

>>15789179
GroupOne offers "$1000 over the literal bottom cost of the car" for our employees, but others differ. Co-worker of mine got a 2010 Challenger SRT8 a few years ago for like $25k shipped from New York to Alabama, pic related.

>>15789267
My girlfriend worked for Kia which was a part of Group One, and she liked it until the parts manager was a faggot and tried to make her a cashier instead of a parts runner. She quit after that.

>>15789285
In his defense, the main reason for delays in our body shop is the parts department. We had a guy who had been doing it so long that he knew everybody and could get parts delivered within hours with 10-second phone calls, and our boss fired him for basically no fucking reason.
We hired a guy from the counter, and now single parts take weeks to arrive- because he doesn't know anybody at all.
So yeah, anybody that doesn't have a magic book of problem solvers is considered nearly not worth hiring to me.

>>15789112
Is that a park acura shirt?

>>15789347
It isn't

>>15789324
She did her job, ran everything well before the day was over and did a great job, she doesn't fuck around on the job and took it very seriously.

>>15789380
I guess all acura tech shirts loo the same then

>>15789387
Yeah they swap ours at G&K all the time with the dealership up north, and they get nameplates so they just rip them off and give them to us.

>>15789089
>throwout bearings on BRZs
Aren't those a scheduled maintenance item on the BRZ?

>>15789468
I don't think so but they're notorious for squeaking. My FRS does it too so I'll take it in before my warranty expires in December

>>15789380
That's all fine and well, but sometimes it takes years to make those professional connections. (I'm assuming she hasn't been doing it for a decade at least)

quick question for the dealership guys

I had an apprenticeship for almost 2 years in a resto shop, but my old boss provided tools so I never bought my own. He started having a pill problem and everyone left, so I don't necessarily have a reference.

anyone have some advice about how I can apply this to getting into a dealership? now that I'm back in school I only need employment for maybe ~2 years wrenching before i get my SWE.

>>15789468
They claim wear and tear and it isn't covered. Mine started making noise around 35k and now at 70k it's fucked so I'm replacing pressure plate, t/o bearing, clutch, etc

>>15789478
Good luck. I don't think they'll cover it, but I hope you have more luck.

>>15789255
>Tesla has ridiculous expectations
Can you explain this in more detail?

>>15789267
Ayyy isofix bro. And Alabama bro it seems.

I'm on the tech side of BMW. Anything mechanical they need, no real issues aside from they expect things to go in and out with 1mm of space to work with. Big mechanical jobs are pretty easy though, dropping engines or changing a trans/diff/transfer case are all very simple.

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thoughts on new BMWS, specifically a lower 3 series?

>>15789089
I have only seen one fail one a brz. Check your dealership to see of its under warranty. Or trade it in 2017 brz they look sick.

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>>15789112
>envious of Subaru guy
I used to work for Honda but I left to go to Subaru. Honda wasn't giving me enough to do. Now that I work for Subaru these are My time cards. Pic related. today

>>15790322
hello 812

FCA here

Fiat sucks in a huge way. Warranty pays pretty shit most of the time and customers never get retail work done cause they're all fucking broke. I swear to god FCA is trying to put their dealerships out of business making us all jump through countless hoops for warranty and charging everything back if one duck isn't in its row. Wiring diagrams are usually wrong, service information fucks you over, technical assistance is a bunch of monkeys with no actual experience, one guy literally told me to "ask someone else" when I came to him with a problem that wasn't previously documented.

Life is good.

>>15788735
08 outback here.

my dash has a sticky residue on it that reflects light back onto the windshield, creating a shit ton of glare whenever the sun is out.

Still waiting for the recall letter.

http://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2015/subaru-melting-dashboard-lawsuit.shtml

>>15790350
It's 218 lol

>>15790426
I don't think their is going to be one. Your car is 8 years old. There would have been a recall by now. Subaru can just say it's old age or that you spent too much in the sun. And that's it. Don't expect it to get fixed anytime soon.

>>15790471
Buy an oem dash cover and forget about it.. Subaru also makes sun shades specifically for each Subaru model. Once again Subaru will just say you didn't have a sun shade and that's it.

Kenworth and Mack tech here.

Fuck volvo for completely ruining Mack. What was once a mediocre company is now completely fucking awful. Zero fucking room to access engine compinents, the diagnostic software is unreliable bloated garbage rhat has a 25% chanceof actually working correctly without crashing and their tech support is just plain.bad.

Kenworth is much better, their trucks are actually serviceable and their tech support is competent.

Cummins is by far the best engine to work on and diagnose.

>>15790484

has ANY buyout actually helped an automotive or truck company? ever?

>>15788533
GM tech here.

The dealership I'm at sucks ass. Wayyyyy to much drama. Fortunately it's a pretty good group of guys in the shop but our service advisers/parts people/sales are all pants on head mongoloid retarded.

Our warranty times are kind of wonky and we have lots of bullshit recalls but generally things are bad. Unless it's a Cadillac or rebranded cars. Like seriously Toyota get your shit together. Three different recalls on Vibe(aka matrix) passenger airbags. What the fuck guys

Also again, fuck Cadillac. I had a 2013 XTS the other day that the customer hadn't done any recalls on. There were 11 on the work order and nothing else.

>>15790541
things aren't bad*

I'm an idiot

>>15790541
That fucking blows. At Subaru I just do airbags, EPB and TELEMATICS recalls. Also our new recall which promps us to replace 5 electric relays. Pays .6 and you can do it in .2 shots cash. The air bags pay 1.8 when I worked at Honda the airbags payed .6 and .7

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Ford here
>and also FCA
3.5 ecoboosts drive me to drinking. Constant warranty timing chain and turbo replacements. Just buy a 5.0 and enjoy reliable V8 power.
>FCA
new 5.7 timing chain recalls and constant takata airbag replacements. Not to mention the caravan auto trans pump seal recalls.
>just fuck my life up

>>15790484

Volvo just needs to get fucked, period. Their trucks the stupidest pieces of shit on the road, and I hope they die. The biggest problem with them is the fact that they use 13200# set back front axles that are ALWAYS AT 13200#. ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Owners can't keep tires on the fucking things and Volvo just goes "oh lol its the tires not the truck kthxbai". Nothing sucks more then selling steer tires to a Volvo owner, they'll be back in 50-100K Km because they've already fucked the tires and they want warranty.

>>15790610
Some of our recalls are money though. On a few vehicles they had us remove the SIR connector from under the seat and crimp and solder the wires. They paid anywhere from 1.6 to 2.9 depending on vehicle. Now the longest it'll take me to do even the hardest ones is 1.2 for both seats.

Of course that means when you have to remove the seat you've got to cut the wires and do the recall again when you put the seat back in. Thank god I'm good at taking apart seats in car

How hard is it to get a mechanic job part time as a student?

Tesla

Really like it, they ask a lot of you but it's hourly and the work is enjoyable. Try it out if you are good at diag/comfortable with computers

>>15791042

How much electricity do you produce per hour? I imagine after shocking yourself so much you just start to naturally produce the stuff.

>>15791080
There's a lot of redundancy preventing that from happening, you would have to be doing a lot of stupid stuff at the same time

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Holy shit, I am so glad to work at my auto group.
They provide us literally with everything down to penterating oil, brillow pads for our angle grinders, etc. I even get new batteries for my torque wrench free of charge.
As long as we don't break shit too often, they have policy money set aside to cover us.
Free coffee and sodas from customer lounge. Shit I even get the girls at the cashier desk to give me a lindtor chocolate truffle every now and then that are reserved for customers at check out.
They cooked us steak and gave us beer last night for having a record breaking month.
I mean I'm probably forgetting shit, they do so much for us. I'm spoiled as fuck.

They do ask a lot of us though. A lot of techs in the business wouldn't make it where I am.

>>15791011
Holy shit I legitimately haven't laughed that hard all week.
Top fucking kek.
You'd have a better chance fitting your dick through a keyhole.

>>15790541
11 recalls on 1 car?
What werethey?

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>ford
>awful

Nothing beat gluing patch panels on along with a bunch of self tappers on these shitty Freestars, along with the torque convertor recall

Or windstar subframe mounts and rear axles

Or Fusion headliners

Or 1.6 Escape rebuild kits

Or the million of other shitty recalls I've tried to drink away.

>>15791486
I..I'm I seeing the inside of the car through the wheel well?

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>>15791503
Yes, the issue was that the 3rd row seat would no longer have anything to latch onto.

>>15791479
A recall doesn't mean it's the same kind of giant recall you see on the news. There are recalls/service bulletins on tons of things, could be stuff like incorrect sunvisor sticker or a seal fit issue you where you spend 5 seconds putting a piece of butyl behind it. Toyota is really aggressive with stuff like this, obviously it doesn't mean their cars are garbage.


Warranty/recall times pretty much suck for every brand unless you find a trick that maybe lasts a few months before the people who determine the hours find out about it. Flat rate sucks, it's bad for everyone involved, customer, tech, shop, it really shouldn't exist, there's no other field that operates in the same way.

>>15791486
What year car is that?

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>>15791526
And the fix

They weren't all that bad, but it wasn't uncommon to see a giant hole where there shouldn't be one.

The worse thing is that the majority of these Freestars are owned by the scummiest niggers and fat single mothers and there would be half eaten burgers and fries and little kids shit all over and they'd all smell like pure shit. So much fun to pull out the seats and roll up the carpet and take the side panels off in those things. Fucking disgusting. So glad I don't turn wrenches for a living anymore.

>>15791547
Would have been a 04-07 and the recall came out in 12 or 13.

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>>15791556
What the FUCK

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>>15791556
Lost.

>>15791011
>Part-time
>Student
Forget dealerships. Go to a sears or ntb while your a student.

>>15791486
I am not automotively inclined, but if one were to own such a rust-bucket and happened to bottom out that travel, how likely is the spring to SpaceX?

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>>15791556

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>>15791556
>and the fix

>>15791630
What is ntb?

>>15791736
an incredibly jewy tire/battery/quicklube shop.

>>15791744
Oh okay thanks I live in a somewhat rural area never heard of that shop before

>>15791556
What? That car is structurally fucked isn't it?

4th year Lexus tech here. Pretty happy with Lexus and the dealership. Warranty pay in general is good and the customers are above average for sure. Management kinda sucks and would be better off staying in their offices. Working hard definitely pays off, the lazy guys perpetually complain and get mad when you do better than them. Flagged 70 hours this week only working 4 days, though I'm one of our top 3 producers.

>>15790541
Tell me more about your experience with the cadis please, specifically the ATS.

>>15788533

really? Nissan here. We have to do transmissions and motors at cost. GTR shocks, driveshafts and Bell housings are the only warranty work we make money on, standard cost +40

>>15791011

Only way is to start off as a lube tech, if they like you they will let you take tests to level up.

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>>15791457
Jokes on you I put my dick in keyholes all the time

>>15791556
>Still a hole all the way through the car after the fix
Jesus Christ, who's idea was that?

>>15788735
What's the deal with wrx motors blowing up and SOA putting their hands up and saying 'lol dunno'. They did that to me even though I had zero mods and impeccable service records. I was under the 36k full warranty. They refused to cover it and instead made the dealership do it as a 'goodwill' repair. Are they gaming their warranty statistics or what?

Fuck Subaru.

>>15790615
Explain more please. I just bought a truck with the 5.0 because Fuck turbos. Everyone online (forums) and in person ecoboost owners that I talk to are in serious denial about the reliability of the turbo. It's like Ford cast some kind of apple-esque reality distortion field to trick everyone into believing small gasoline motors with turbos to cheat their way to decent power can ever be reliable.

What are the warning signs for ecoboost death?

How reliable is the 5.0? Mine has the tow package so it's got the engine oil and transmission coolers.

Thanks!

>>15791544
>Warranty/recall times pretty much suck for every brand unless you find a trick that maybe lasts a few months before the people who determine the hours find out about it. Flat rate sucks, it's bad for everyone involved, customer, tech, shop, it really shouldn't exist, there's no other field that operates in the same way.

My dealership tries to disqualify in-warranty items as much as possible so that it can do the same repair out of warranty, thus charging the customer instead of the manufacturer for the fix. It's much more profitable for them.

>>15789522
She didn't but was running with someone who did.

>>15790322
Dude at least you get work. I had three cars on a Friday. At least one was a CP front brake job for 2 hours.

>>15790471
Iunno, I got a letter last year on my '10 MS3 for the melting dash. I'd take it in to see if it matches the VINrange or something.

>>15792315
dont know. im guessing you have a hatchback one from 12. my dealership has like 4 in the back with blown motors. usually rod 4 busting through the head of the piston i work a dealership bro im not subaru of america.
>>15792502
matches vin range for what? i told him their is no recall there is nothing to match.

>>15789181
>being a lazy partsfag
must be nice to get paid more than a tech for half the work

former honda/vw dealer here

how is it at those places? I was a quick service chump who management wanted to pull into the main shop but after being a flagfag and putting up with the silly ass politics (yes even quick service gets bs, but at least we dont do much warranty bs at all) I saw that main shop was the same yet worse so i eventually left for an indie shop.

kek, do crv heater cores still pay 4 hours under war?

>>15789976
this, friend of mine used to work for mazda now he started at tesla recently and was actually on a tour of their cali factory last week or so

>>15790393
>euro cars
>italian euro cars
you fucked up anon, time to find an indie shop

>>15790506
desu i think its just euro companies ruining american companies and vice versa.

euros being autistic retards who cant make a reliable, practical car and american companies being straight jews with regards to design and support.

I wish japan collaborated with these retards like nuumi and DSM, although DSM was one of the worst japanese brands for reliability joining up with a cucked chrysler who cant run their own shit

>>15793315
Worked for VW as quick lube. Fuck those '15+ GTIs and their gay ass plastic oil pans. And those riced out Golf R/R32s.

>>15793388
>plastic oil pans
I LITERALLY CALLED THIS SHIT HOLY FUCK

I was chatting with one of the flag fags about stupid plastic shit and i said i guarentee withen the next 5 years these stupid kraut niggers will make oil pans and transmission lines out of plastic and they will be complete trash

I also hated when stancefags came in to get their oil changed or worse, tires changed with their stupid fucking aftermarket lugs and razor sidewalls

>>15793407
Some cuck in a stanced R32 had porsche wheels on his R. We laughed so hard at it. Then one of the guys with an Evo ran him after he left the dealership and ripped him a new asshole. Didn't see him again after that hahahaha

But yeah, they also have PLASTIC DRAIN PLUGS that go in maybe one turn and have an o-ring on them. So ridiculous.

Oh yeah and I worked for Mazda for 4 days but the 'preventative maintenance' there was highway robbery so I jumped ship.

Kek, it really makes me mad to continuously see how shit new cars are while my 300k mile 245 keeps on going without issue. Oh how far we've come; what a disgrace.

New cars are such a ficsade of progress in every aspect.

>>15793554
What's sad is that it seems like shit is meant to break at a certain interval. So if you don't take care of an already costly service ($400 for a 30k service is absurd) you get to pay even more for what happens when you neglect it. Stupid.
Not to mention cutting corners at every possible moment. VW with their rear main seals, Honda with their p/s pumps and racks... it's gross.

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>>15793388
>Plastic oil pans

Only the Germans.

>>15793567
Planned obsolescence.

It's about profitability, not a quality product that people can rely on.

>>15788735
Adam? You where supposed to do my braided lines on my 2016 wrx

God damn it. Fuck today.

>>15793324
Tesla definitely seems to be the way of the future. I don't like the way Elon Musk envisions the future of automobiles. I reject his ambition to anhiliate private ownership and nonautomation, so I refuse to ever work for Tesla.

>>15793407
Infiniti started this garbage with the new 2.0 and 3.0 turbo engines. RIP reliable VQ platform. It's all Jewish plastic from here on out.

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>>15793719
free inspections....
FREE INSPECTIONS
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Ugh. I'm doing airbags on this?

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>DRIVER SIDE AIRBAG RECALL

WHY

>>15793719
btw sup tx bro
dallasfag here, never working for honda again

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>>15793749
>>15793757
Safety recalls bring in the shittiest cars. They never bothered with safety when it came to their wallwt so why the fuck do they care now?

I did a passenger airbag on this 2000 I30. Packaging tape was holding the driver headlight in. A pack of niggers came out of the waiting area and drove off in it.

Ugh.

>>15794461
This was some mexican lady who didn't speak a lick of english. Power steering was taking a shit and the thing wobbled at 5mph. Seatbelts wouldn't even retract at all.

Why do shitty mexicans ruin everything*

*not all mexicans are shitty and ruin everything

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>>15794461
At least this guy's TSX was clean and he had cool keychains.

i'm so sick of doing Airbags...

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>>15791556

Wait does Ford literally ship you 2 metal plates and screws to bolt onto this thing to "Fix a hole"

Holy shit

>>15793407

NO

DUDE

YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT PLASTIC OIL PANS

Ford fucking ships out the Police model Taurus with a fucking plastic oil pan. A POLICE VEHICLE, that can be taken out by throwing a big enough rock under it. Like fuck me.

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>>15794647
You're telling me.

>>15794647
>i'm so sick of doing Airbags...
It's still income for the dealerships and stealerships and keeps them all in business.

I just wonder if some stealerships perform the airbag recalls on cars that were just about to be scrapped as a way to eke out that last bit of profit. They might even just shift the ordered airbags to inventory instead of installing them into the car going to be scrapped.

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>>15790011
When they get facefucked that +1mm becomes -37mm, which has been known to fold washer bottles into oblivion, merge frame rails into batteries, and mangle 6 radiators into 1.
Reverse-engineering an aluminum and magnesium BMW front end on a frame machine is cancer.
>At least the bumper is easy.

pic unrelated

>>15794912
It got so fucked up here with airbags that they just started stealing them from other people's ordered airbags. Service writers would promise a client their airbag by a certain time then
>Uh oh, airbag isn't here!
So they would just jack it from someone else's order and push them back, but it kept happening.
Now pretty much every TL, RDX, MDX, RL and 3.2TLs airbags are being stolen. Parts is such a clusterfuck.

>>15793719
texting nudes, ty

>>15795023
Gonna send them noods before me?
I feel cheated.

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>>15794752
hmm, so thats why people are going with the charger dispite so much history with fords panther platform. With a glorious platform like that i thought they'd be the favorite for police duty.

what is it with europeans and americans producing fragile and expensive trash? why are asians the only decent carmakers? I mean korea is kindof trashy but at least its cheap.

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>>15794978
>holding a car up with 3 pieces of welded angle iron bolted to the hub

wew m8

>>15795020
Negartron Airbag Services to your rescue!

Don't ask us where we get airbags each night and you get them cheap from us below wholesale. Don't mind a few cut wires because that adds character and personality to each bag! Just tell us how many you want and we will try to fill your order for you. We shop around so you don't have to!

>>15795023
Post results

>>15789215
>If anything goes wrong under our hands we pay for it (I had to pay $117 for a spare tire that I didn't catch on a used car inspection, co-worker had to pay for rotors and pads for something that was the service writer's fault, etc.

What the fucking SHIT? I'm pretty sure that's illegal in most if not all of America, I'd sooner resign than fucking put up with shit like that. I'd be documenting anything like that and reporting it to the state board of labor. In fact even getting back-flagged for jobs that come back might be illegal too.

>>15796032
YEEEP. I just need to find a better paying job. Fuck I'd rather just do R&D at Cobb Tuning.

>>15796032
You have a jew of a dealership owner that makes the employees pay for the dealership's repair job mistakes instead of the dealership itself. That has got to be illegal. Even if it is on a contract, that doesn't necessarily make something illegal become legal suddenly. There are such things as illegal employment contracts that are rendered invalid by the state government. For example, no compete requirements that go for five years instead of the normal max of 3 years. More and more obnoxious shops make employees sign no compete contracts with 3 year terms.

>>15791457
I'm a full time student who recently landed a dealership job as a quick tech and my auto group sounds a lot like yours.

>>15796115
This reminds me of the time I brought my civic in for repair under warranty. The window and lock buttons stopped working and it was a huge bitch.

Anyway after I got in there the guy gave me a form and said "sign here and we'll get to it" only to read the contract and it basically said "if we damage your car in any way its not our fault under any circumstance"

The jewery is really bad

>>15791556
>Still a fucking hole to the outside world.

That shit would for state inspection in NH, due to some concern about exhaust fumes having the potential to leak into the passenger area. Not to mention the rear spring seat 2 pot holes away from failing completely.

>>15796191
Looks like it's sealed with sikaflex to me

>>15790426
TSB for the sticky dash I thought. Just ask about it when the car go the pass airbag inflator recall. Have seen 2 replaced for free at the Subaru dealer, right next door to where I work at Nissan.

>>15796168
pretty much every shop everywhere is like that, the only time they pay for damage is to protect their reputation and/or make good to a customer. There have been a few major news stories where a high-performance car gets rekt because the tech or the advisor took it on a joyride, and then the dealer refuses to make good on a fix or replacement.

>>15790019
$40k camry

>>15792491
>3 cars on a Friday
That's why I left. Sometimes I'd get 4 hours or less in a day and my Honda dealership was 40 miles away. My job at Subaru is still the same distance but atleast I get 8 hours. I sometimes walk over to Honda on my lunch breaks because my Subaru dealer is like half a quarter of a mile from Honda and everytime I see me old service manager he begs me to come back. I tell him it's not my choice. It has since gotten shitty over there 2 of the guys keep fucking shit up and breaking customer shit. One of the niggers that works there let a customer car leave with finger tight lug nuts in. The wheel collapsed into the fender well. Luckily the customer wasn't driving it the detail guy was. He almost got chopped for that. Now I hear my old manager is looking for every reason to write him up and fire him serves him right we don't need people like that working for our automall.

>>15796168
as a guy who works for a shop, to add onto what this >>15796271 guy said, sometimes shit breaks on peoples cars that legit isnt the techs fault. Usually its dumb old or just plain flemsy plastic or rubber parts or my personal favorite, some part that LITERALLY HAPPENS TO BREAK ON THE TEST DRIVE for no reason other than it was worn just enough to fuck you over and not the owner.

I still remember the day when i took a bolt off a fan shroud in front of a customer on his lincoln aviator and the fucking flange broke straight off and left a fucking crack in the radiator. Although he understood that was bullshit, i had to explain to him this is the shit that happens. We still paid for half of that radiator...

>>15796246
>free
>probably goodwilled for warranty time

that poor tech

Carmax gives us free water, gatorade, and coffee. Usually get steaks every month too.

We also get cars at the price CM bought it for + $500. Dibs on wholesale cars as well, which can be good. Someone snatched up a Cobra last week, 42k miles for $9,000. Was in great condition.

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Always worked on VW/Audi, nose off service position does not phase me anymore.

Retards slammed on Chinese coil overs with massively fucked up suspensions and undercarriages deserve all the hate they get.

>>15793388
> Lube tech is pissed he cant use his impact tools on drain plugs

We dont have a dedicated oil monkey at our shop. While the plastic pans kinda suck they are not that big of a hassle. They fail instantly so they are not as bad as aluminum pans where the quicklube place that fucked up the threads before you gets off scott free when you cant thread the plug in anymore.

>tfw started at a Ford dealership two months ago

I'm doing my practicum at my dealership for school, so technically I'm still a student, but they hired me, and they plan to keep me.

I'm a quick lane tech right now, basically any job under two hours, I do.

My dealership is awesome, aside from the fact that they offer lifetime drivetrain warranty for anyone who does every piece of maintenance that we require. Still a sick place to work, they buy us lunch minimum bi-weekly, offer amazing pay, good bosses, everyone there gets along with each other. I fucking love this place and I'm loving being a tech.

>>15796871
10$ an hour isnt amazing pay dude.

>>15797032
>implying
More than $10/hr, and compared to what I was making before it is amazing.

>>15797134
I started at 14$ with Honda. Now I'm at Scooby Doo

>>15789112
Just had a quick question for ya. I just got an 04 TSX and it only came with a master key that I have trouble keeping track of (had it for a week and have lost it on multiple occasions)
What's the best way to go about getting some extras? Do i have to go to Acura for everything? Any help you'll be appreciated.

>>15798277
Yes you do because it's chipped.

>>15788533
>>15789222
Infiniti Tech here. When doing the QX56 timing chains, are you cutting the oil lubricator/pump?

>>15797134
nigger i work at a grocery store jerking off in the liquor department and make $10/hour

>>15798385
That sucks

>Need job during highschool (age 17)
>Nearby Infiniti dealership is the only place to hire me.
>Have 2 year experience through school
>(Basically same Auto Tech class taught for careers, but taught to highschoolers)
>Hire me with promise to work temporary position until they hire more people
>Hired on as half wash bay and half express
>Hire another guy a month after I get hired
>Same position
>Fast forward a couple months
>Get 90 day review, nothing bad said
>Move newer guy to permanent express than me
>Lay low and work my ass off
>9 months of doing this
>Haven't moved up since
I fucking hate my managers/bosses because they won't respect my seniority. I also had a coworker who worked in the express bay leave. I asked for his schedule and my boss said he would think about it. He ended up hiring another person to take that position. Now I'm having 2 more coworkers from express leave and if I don't get moved up from wash bay to express I'm quitting on the spot.


I already thought about it and since I'm not going into the automotive field I don't need their recommendation. I'll just get a job in the IT field with the experience I have and have my friend recommend me.

>>15798476
Maybe you just suck.

>>15798486
I've had 4 different coworkers with good names recommend me to my boss.

>>15798350
I knew that bit, my brother had to reprogram his 05 TL keys at Acura and it was so expensive for something that took like 5 minutes. So I have to buy the physical keys at Acura and of couste program them at Acura?

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The shilling is pretty bad everywhere, but it's honestly shocking to hear some of the stories. I forget the shit that jew owners try to get away with.

Even at luxury lines, the jewing surprises me. Infiniti tried to fuck us on the qx56/m56 timing chain recall labor to save a few shekels. I guess enough dealers complained because they bumped the labor time back to the standard it was.

I can do a chain job in 7 hours now and they pay 11. But it took me 70 fucking jobs to get that good. Literally fucking 70 and counting. First one I ever did took me 15-17 hours.

>>15798491
You might be able to buy blanks online and have them cut but you still need to program them at acura. When I worked at Honda people always bought keys off eBay and had them cut at a locksmith only to find that the keys don't work. Fucking retards I swear I laughed at them paying 195$ for me to program their key in 3 minutes.

>not cutting oil pump to save several hours of work

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Audi service assistant reporting.
Gearboxes still fails, pistons cracks and fuel injectors dies from our pump gas. I hope to be transferred to parts department. Conversation with customers gave me thoughts of killing myself.

>>15798513
mfw used to work for honda in quickservice and people used to hide for/fight over/skip cars for gravy keys.

>>15798519

meant for him
>>15798510

>>15798378
By cutting the pump...im not sure what you mean. Do you mean literally cutting the pump?

We've tried and tried and FUCKING tried to get that pump off without pulling pan, but it won't happen. One tech disassembled the pump and got it off without pulling the pan, but it wasn't worth it. Guts fell out and went everywhere. He had to reassemble it and then worry about the pump fucking up. Nobody has done it since. I've got them down to 7 hours with test drive now. Done about 70 now.

How are you doing them?

>>15798521
Because it pays an hour and you can do them in .2

>>15798543
i know it was glorious

>>15798543
When I was at Nissan it payed a hour. Now I'm at Honda and it pays .25 nobody wants to do them. I miss Nissan sometimes

>>15798538
I don't remember what its called, but it literally saves several hours. Its apart of oiling the chain. But if theres an investigation my store is fucked and all the techs lose their jobs.

If your doing it in 7 hours by doing it CORRECTLY, I would just advise on doing that. I wanted to know how everyone else was doing it

>>15794752
>Ford fucking ships out the Police model Taurus with a fucking plastic oil pan.


holy shit why

This is some of the bullshit these cars have to deal with daily, why the FUCK would they switch to plastic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLqJEZeWQ5Y

>>15791556
how does the warranty cover that? it looks like the result of water, salt, acidic road gunk and neglect

>>15788533
Queeschun

On the g37/370z 7AT, will a dealership bitch and moan if I ask them to do a flush? It's supposedly going to last """""the life of the car"""""" but idk how accurate that is.

I like to do my own maintenance and I keep an aggressive maintenance schedule because I drive my cars hard, but this kind of work is stuff I typically don't touch.

>>15795720
maybe it they are using superior German adhesives instead of inferior splotchy welds

>>15799346
>AT
your fault for buying a meme transmission

>>15798598
Yeah that's probably what I described. I do that on the m56, because the pump is chain driven so I can leave the oil pan on. QX56, you have to disassemble the pump to get it off with leaving the oil pan on. Fuck that.

>>15799346
Flushes are gravy work, I love doing them. Some dealers might bitch though. On the 7 speeds, you have to leave it overnight to be completely cold. Do the flush first thing in the morning. On our machine the engine runs with it in park to flush it, and then immediately set the fluid with the overflow plug when the trans temperature reaches 104 degrees.

It can be a pain so some dealers might groan about it or might only want to do a drain refill.

I have a system down that's easy for me, so I recommend full flushes on 7 speeds all the time.

>>15799162

No idea, however I know a guy that works at a Ford dealership, and they had a cop car towed in because the guy ran over a squirrel or something and it punctured the oil pan. Well, maybe punctured is the wrong word, fucking exploded the oil pan.

>>15796426
>half a quarter of a mile

I was a eurotrash indy tech for 10+ years and this entire thread is just reminding me how great the decision to get out of the industry was.
I'm poor now but I'm no longer drinking myself to death.

>>15800163
Infiniti went to an electronic thermostats and plastic housings on the new 3.0.

Just...why? Didn't anybody learn anything from the Germans about using plastic shit on cooling systems? It falls the fuck apart at 50k miles. Parts quality has definitely gone downhill. I feel like Infiniti from 2008-2015 was the pinnacle of parts quality. They partnered with jew controlled Mercedes and now our shit is getting fucked.

Man reading this thread has made me so glad I work at an independent shop and get paid hourly. Sucks when we're busy as fuck and I bust my ass all day and get paid the same as a day where I just stood there and scratched my ballsall day but still. At least when something goes south I don't get fucked completely over. Also I get way too stressed on big jobs, I don't know why. I've never made a huge mistake like putting a timing belt on wrong or something. Every time I've tackled a bigger job it's always gone reasonably smooth but my stomach is in knots the whole time until it's done. You'd think after 7 almost 8 years I'd be used to it, probably just a lack of confidence or something.

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Former Lexus apprentice here. (12 to 14)

The cars themselves are pretty easy to work on. Customer pay times are great, warranty pay is meh to ok at best. You can barely make time on the 2.5 piston recall. The customers are mostly nice people with money to be Able to afford repairs at dealer prices. They usually cheap out on tires and then bring the car back a week later complaining of road noise, but that's what you get when you buy fuzions lol. Also they like too complain about indoor noises a lot.

The dealership I worked for suvked tho. I only got paid 10 an hour ad an apprentice. Meanwhile the porters were making 10 an hour plus tips and didn't have to pay for tech school or buy tools.

I work at the local transit bus garage now. It's much better. Literally make twice the money, the retirement is great, plus the union covers Tue benefits and I get a 500 a year till allowance.

>>15789347
My wife works in the parts room at park Honda.

>>15799315
Most cars have 100k/10yr rust perforation warranties. Not to mention there's a certain point where rust like this is considered severe and premature depending vehicle age. Could be that the feds forced Ford to stand behind their shit-boxes in this instance. Chrysler is replacing prematurely rusted sub-frames, Toyota is doing complete frame replacements on their trucks made in the last 10 years, etc, etc.

>>15800688
You must have worked at a Lexus dealer in a wealthy area. I've talked to some of the Lexus techs at the dealer near me, they tell me that probably about 85% of their customers are average people trying to look rich, but in reality they can barely meet the monthly payments let alone pay for any repairs or maintenance.

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Techs, I want to buy either a 2015 Genesis or a 2015 Challenger. Which is easier / better to service for techs? I could honestly go either way, looking to buy this winter. Which one should I get?

>>15800834
How do techs know if customers can't make payments on their cars??

>>15800502
Independent shops suck compared to dealerships. Why are you glad you make hourly wage ? Flat rate makes a shit ton of money

>>15798490
Your a liability. Congratulations
>2 years experience auto shop in highschool
Yeah you don't get to move up kiddo

Volvo trucks (big rigs)
lifes pretty good, not much bullshit, a lot is conviniently accessable, slight issues with emissions treatment parts but they werk

>>15800869
I dunno, I would hate working for a large company having to deal with tons of other people. We're 4 including my boss so it just feels more personal I guess. Sucks having no benefits but I'm covered under my gfs work insurance so idgaf. And living in the rust belt it isn't uncommon for bolts to be seized even on newer cars. So like I said I don't get totally fucked over pay wise if something takes an extra hour because every bolt was seized or something. And it's great in the winter when it's dead as fuck. Still get paid. I can see the benefits of working at a dealer, you know acess to special tools, training ect... But I guess it's just not for me.

>>15800852
challenger

>>15800049
Im at 100k, is that reasonable mileage for flushing the 7 speed?

>>15801373

any reason why, from a tech standpoint? repairs and maintenance only

>>15798520
elaborate...

>>15788533

Not a Tech but Warhouse Kia/Hyundai.

most common shipped part is Hub Assembly followed by Door latch Assemblys

>>15789181

Kia/hyundai warehouse fag here, we lost 2 bulk aisles and a bunch of small bin space in preparation for the Genesis.

Also fuck any dealers who order a shit ton of Assessories.

>Look at order
>40 lines, this should be easy
>look at order
-10 all weather mats complete
-6 all weather mats complete
-13 all weather mats complete
-4 all weather mats complete
-6 all weather mats complete
-12 all weather mats complete
-15 front mud guards
-12 front mud guards
-6 front mud guards
-10 front mud guards
-15 rear mud guards
-12 rear mud guards
-6 rear mud guards
-10 rear mud guards
-30 spare tire kits of different kinds
The a bunch of deflectors, windshield wipers

fuck that dealer

>>15788533
Worked at FCA and Toyota. FCA was total shit and Toyota was just ok. Currently at Subaru. Used car tech, but when I don't have work I do engines. Love it there.

>>15801069
i guess to each their own. how much do you make if you dont mind me asking? i guess you dont get to stressed out on jobs since your payed hourly so that means you arent timed like the rest of us right?

>>15801558
100K is the factory recommended service interval. I would personally do every 50k if it was my car but I'm pretty ocd about fluid changes, especially when it's cheap to me (no labor charge).

>>15800852

pls respond

>>15788735
Any known issues with the '12+ imprezas i should worry about?

I'm very anal about watching my oil, and have switched to using 3w30 synth, the 0w20 they call for was disappearing way too fast for my liking.

Got a question for the techs in this thread.

How hard and/or expensive is schooling to get to being a tech, and is it worth it? I'm thinking I might want to work on cars, but I wanted to ask someone before I jumped in. Right now, I do my own brakes and swap pieces parts out of my cars as needed, but that's about it. I also fix up motorcycles when I have time.

>>15802784
Thanks anon. Flush it is.

>>15800834
It was in Akron, Ohio. We had a handful of peep that were behind on payments, but it was less than 5 from what I remember.

Also the people that were trying to look rich usually just bought used and never came in for maintenance, save for recalls/service campaigns.

>>15800857
If you're told to keep the car on the lift up in the air after you're done working on it so the bank can't repo it from the parking lot.

>>15803027
Go to community college, don't waste money on a for profit tech school. Try to get a part time or entry level job at a shop at the same time, it's really hard to get hired straight out of school, experience matters a lot even if it's just understanding how a shop works. School and the field are the same way, it's all what you put in and how you advocate for yourself. If you are expecting to be told what to do and just check the boxes you aren't going to land anywhere good. You have to be aggressive and really seek out opportunities and knowledge on your own if you want to make good money and work at a good shop.

>>15803069
Oh I see. Fuck that shit that's a waste of a lift

>>15793719

are you trying to doxx the customer with the phone numbers out in the open?

>>15803074
Thanks for the advice. What kind of money will I need for tools, minimum?

>>15803100
Nobody is going to expect you to show up on the first day with a full set of tools at an entry level position, cross that bridge when you come to it. You can buy a used single bay box of Craigs or Harbor Freight for $400 and most of the tools you need to get started for maybe another $600.

>>15803123
>>15803100
If you working for a shop that requires that you bring your own tools you fucked up and need to find a new job

>>15803146
Every single shop I know of is going to require you have your own tools as a tech, but not right away as an entry level lube tech

>>15803146
Are you stupid? You get payed more for bringing in your own tools.
Ever heard of the law that you must be payed double the minimum wage if you provide your own tools?
>mfw minimum wage in California is 10$
>started making 14$ at Honda bring in own tool box and small tools
>fast forward 1 year now make 22$ because brought in more tools.
Fucking cuck using shop provided tools. Enjoy your 11$ an hour kid.

>>15803123
>>15803156
Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it.

>>15803182
>$22 an hour
>Calling others kid

Enjoy your poverty tier mechanic job

>>15802632
Currently make 23.50 an hour so it's not bad. Canadian though so maybe not all that good either haha. I still get stressed about bigger jobs but at least I don't gotta deal with a time crunch also. Basically as long as you're not taking 2 hours to do a brake job it's all good. Obviously there's times where we're just swamped with work so we gotta work fast.

>>15803080
Yeah we would move it around to whoever was off that day or put it on the "diagnostic specialists" lift since he spent more time fucking off than working.

>>15803100
Roughly 10 grand to start out. Can be done cheaper if you get a box from.Sears or lowes instead of off a tool truck. Some tool trucks will also offer "apprentice kits" th at come with a smaller box, most of the hand tools you need. And an impact gun for like 5k.

I was lucky in the fact that I had starting buying tools in high school, plus my tech school got us a decent sett of stuff from Napa so I had all the basics when I started wrenching. I've been.doing.this 12 and have probably 15k in tools by now.

>>15803553
Dumb question, but are there any scholarships for older students out there? I'm 25 and looking to go back to school, but I keep hearing that getting into the trades is cash-on-the-barrel, no loans at all sort of deal.

>>15803582
Some dealerships will pay for your schooling, but make you sign a contract to work there for x years at z wage.

I got student loans for my schooling, about half paid off by now.

>>15803612
Thanks again, anon. Looks like studen loans are on my horizon too.

>>15803627
Yeah it kinda sucks, but you do what you have to I guess.

Good thing about being.in school is that you get up to half off on tools from snap on.

Also, keep on eye out on Craig's list. Some times you can find people selling off their box and all their tools for pennies on the dollar.

>>15803217
Nigga you retarded

>>15795988
this please. get >>15795023 fired for this

>>15803217
I hear of mechanics making like $30/hour at dealerships after 5 years of experience.

Is this some meme shit or do all the dealerships in Texas just suck?

>>15804789
well california has that law like i stated. im only 23 too

sorry ment to say >>15793719

>>15790615
I have a 2.5 fusion (16) any issues with those you've seen?

>>15803553
Snap On boxes seem like the best of all the major tool suppliers.

But Rousseau boxes are master race. So fucking nice. My dealer provides us with boxes. We have massive work station/tool storage combination units from Rousseau and Snap On doesn't even hold a candle to them. You can get them in roll around units as well.

>>15804924
well thats why you dont make that much you have provided tool boxes

>>15798277
Yeah unfortunately you'll have to get new keys programmed. There's a chip in the key that communicates with the immobilizer. If you just shove one of those ilco keys in there without setting the car up for it you'll basically put your car in a lockout mode and will have to take it to the dealer to 'un-lock' your car. I had it happen with my Mazda.

>>15798491
Pretty much what >>15798513 said. If you ever have the opportunity to buy parts NOT at the dealer, take up on it. They'll usually double charge cost of the part just for convenience of the dealership. It helps pay everyone at the cuck factory aka Sacura.

>>15803027
The community college we have in town does a fantastic job, and I'd recommend it far over anything else. Close by, small classes, wonderful instructors. I've learned a lot from going to class, and I'm still going for things I don't know.

>>15789192
That's pretty dope. I've worked in corporate for an OEM and we got a decent employee lease program, now I work in corporate for a supplier. We get discounts at every OEM we supply for, but nobody offers that much, usually just around invoice price and no further benefit. I wish I'd gotten in at a dealer, seems like where the best discounts are.

>>15804949
I'm getting paid more here than I would be anywhere else. I provided all of my own tools, just not the box.

>>15804949
We have our own provided boxes, so does VW and Audi. Even when I brought my own box at other places (Mazda, Hyundai, independent) I made just as much. It depends on the level of work you're doing and how far along you're with the place you're at. If you do a bunch of Honda Interactive Network tests you'll get paid more, and if you go to factory training you'll also get paid more. It's based on your skill level.

>>15798520
>Conversation with customers
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>>15800502
>probably just a lack of confidence or something.
Same here desu, it's just not trusting yourself to do it right even though you've got all the skill in the world. Welcome to why I have literally never done work on my own car even though I did fine in auto classes.

>had a literal panic attack the first time I tried to change my own oil, have never done anything since
Just kill me already senpai, it's better that way.

Am I the only one going slowly insane from all this warranty bullshit at VAG? Pictures, documents, videoes, original package, TPI numbers, SW updates, ODIS shitting itself like always..

There's so much damn paperwork now it often takes more time than the actual job.

>>15796763
People actually use impact guns on drain plug? It takes three fucking seconds to do it with a wrench.

>>15807168
I had to stop a dude from doing it at Mazda. He then wanted to put the drain bolt back on with a 1/4" impact drill. Like, one of those Makita 18v ones.

Detail tech for Toyota shitposting from the shitter. I'd say Toyota and Ford have the best quality carpets which means it's easy to vacuum them

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>>15807257
>detail tech
>mfw

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>>15807154
i thought warranty pays time and a half? at least thats how i remember them doing it at the vw dealership i worked for

>>15809718
no it doesnt. i think it pays the same but you get less time to replace shit. for example:
>customer pay short block replacement is 9.0 hours
>warranty replacement is around 6.8
seeeee?

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>>15795720
It looks bolted together m8

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>>15810277
no i know normal silly warranty times, but i remember techs getting time+half for warranty shit so they did it right. might have been a shop formans thing, he was a former tech who actually started fighting for better pay and less bs for techs.

>yfw shop gravy whore who gets paid 30/hour and cant diagnose shit starts getting the check engine lights, sportwagen water leaks and drivability shit that 12/hour starter mainshop techs got.

the fucking toddlerfits he threw were delicious

>>15810516
warranty doesnt pay more because it comes out of the dealerships pocket you nigger

>>15810534
Comes out of the manufacturers pocket*

>>15809718
We multiply the regular job by 0.4, and that's what we get paid. It's a great way to get fucked in the ass while making absolutely no money.

>first job on monday
>intermittent canbus signal
>find bad pin on a splice within a few hours
>fix it
>engineering requests I pin drag the entire canbus network (30+ modules and ~10 splices)
>takes about 12 hours
>finish it
>next job
>rusted bike rack stuck in tow hitch
>knock it out with a sledge
variety is the spice of life

>>15809718
Not that guy but fucking shitty warranty pay were one of the many reasons I up and left the industry. Last job was at a Honda dealer and we were joking that pretty soon warranty times would be payed in thousandths of an hour.

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>>15815250
>yfw .005 hours for takata airbag recalls in the future

lol we're losing monies guis we cant pay you real money

>>15815158
What manufacturer do you work for? Infiniti calls for entire harness replacement if there's any problem with CAN wires.

>>15809718
Warranty 99% of the time pays shit.

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>>15815158
i wanna share what i did today
>2016 wrx comes in for 4 things
>oil change tire rotation
>WTH62 turbo piping duct recall
>customer complains center console lid loose
>customer complains when driving 25-35mpg can hear LOUD rattle from passenger side door

turbo pipe recall was a cunt
i chased that vibration down for 1.4 hours insulated the entire door panel and door with felt tape shit went away
>straight time that bitch

>>15815433
its funny when an airbag honda pays for is 30$
>1.7million vehicles affected
thats alot of fucking money

>>15794499

Hisiron is based girl

>>15800256

The cool twin turbo new 3.0?

Say it isnt so. FFS Nissan

>>15815433
I hear that. I'm sick of 0.5 and 0.6 as the only thing I do a couple times a day.

>>15789215
>we have to pay 5 dollars a week for a coffee/water fund

Oy vey

>>15816816
Had one like that a few years back, customer with a brand new 2012 Accord was complaining of a rattle in the driver's door at 30+mph. Turned out one of the bolts holding the regulator in was cross-threaded at the factory and left loose. Oddly the window worked just fine despite that bolt.