So its just a turbo...? What differentiates Ecoboost from regular

high compression
direct injection
lack of a catch can

marketing, it's bullshit

Like how the occupation Janitor gets renamed to "Sanitation Engineer". Just bullshit

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>>15687866
>What differentiates Ecoboost from regular turbochargers?

What year your engine was built.

>>15687874
So for someone who knows very little about how a turbo actually works, how does this make the car run in comparison to a "normal" turbo?

>my 1.6L Ecoboob has a cast crank

So dumb

The old TURBO marketing gimmick everyone latched onto decades ago implanted the idea in everyones minds that turbo only means performance and sports cars
so the trick to market turbos nowadays to everyone is to make it new-age friendly and make up some hippy bullshit and add "green" words like "eco"
>wew did ya see dat furd ecoboost engine? can't believe ford of all people are looking out for the environment, i'm off to get a brand new ford fusion(TM)!"

>>15687895
tends to make the valves dirty.

>>15687866
Turbo of course
Direct injection
Base tune for much mpgs over power hence the name

>>15687975
The DI engine has no way of keeping the intake valves clean as the fuel is introduced directly into the combustion chamber so it never touches the valves. On old port injection, the injector constanly bathed the valves with detergent gas and no deposits would form.

The issue with an upper induction cleaning is every time it is done, some of those hard deposits are forced between the cylinder wall and the piston and cause minor souring. Not much of an issue doing it only a few times in the life of the average engine, but do it too much and you will eventually create excess blow-by from the scouring as the scratches get deeper. A proper catchcan system and only one designed correctly to work with a turbo system like the ecoboost, is the best solution as it prevents this coking from the start.

>>15687866
It's no different to what bmw and vw have been doing since about 2004

>>15687990
It's not just from the PCV system, it's also the EGR and the valve guides

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>>15688005
yep
this is a stock ecoboost

>>15688005
Egr doesn't bake carbon onto the valves. Valve guides will have very little leakeage. Other anon is correct in that a catch can solves 99% of the issues.

>>15687866
>What differentiates Ecoboost from regular turbochargers?
Marketing
Everybody is doing high compression DI turbo engines now, ecoboost is nothing special.

>>15688024
>Egr doesn't bake carbon onto the valves
EGR contributes quite a bit to carbon buildup on DI cars. That's why people are deleting EGR systems in TDI VWs and stuff left and right.

>>15687866
Ecoboost is just Ford's name for the Mazda MZI and MZR engines with a turbocharger. Duratec is the name of the same engine without the turbo.

>>15688042
When will this meme die? Yes, Ford was using Mazda engines at one point. They don't anymore.

>>15688049
Ecoboost is a Duratec with a turbo. Duratec is an MZR. The Mustang 2.3L I4 shares engine mounts and a bellhousing bolt pattern with the NC Miata 2.0L, not to mention bore spacing, flange patterns, etc.

>>15688024
sorry i only skim read your post, egr doesn't cause the baked on stuff but it does pump a lot of shit down there that a catch can alone won't sort.
and leakage past valve guides also causes carbon build up if it's not being washed off, it's a slower process so might not be relevant on the relatively new cars here but it's a reality.
water injection is the best solution as it deals with all of it and allows you to keep a proper crankcase ventilation system

>>15688039
No it actually doesn't. Nothing wrong with deleting it, but the pcv system is where 99% of the shit comes from.

>>15688075
Wasn't my post, I was just agreeing with the guy. As a mechanic, the number of engines I've seen with badly worn valve guides is very low. Would also have to be coupled with fucked valve stem seals at the same time. Guides and seals are both generally very good in modern cars. 99% of the issue is the pcv. You can also run a proper pcv system while removing the oil, I personally run a provent on my yd25. Everything stays hooked up, the air is just properly separated from the oil.

>>15688070
nice meme, but its nothing without proof.

Im glad ford ditched mazda, mazda sucks ass

>>15687866
>So its just a turbo...?
Yep. It's Ford's way of saying "lol we made a tarbo pls buy our cars".

Pretty much trying to out-Volvo Volvo but without glorious I5s.

>>15688136
>being this much of an ignorant troll
Wew

>>15688049

FYI the crank and a whole lot of parts from the stang and Focus RS can be swapped into the Mazdaspeed MZR

>>15688144
well looks like I won, can't say the say with mazda tho. lmao

>>15688140
volvo never made direct injection i5

>>15688181
same*

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>>15688181
>(you)

>>15688178
If the Boostang and RS basically have MS3 engines, I wonder if they can handle the same amount of power

900+ crank hp has been done on those 2.3L's

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>>15688145
>>15688195
>LeMemes
Ford didn't even win.
16 places behind TOYOTA

>>15688240
The SSC Ultimate Aero?
It has a GM engine.

The Hennessy is not generally "road" "legal" in enough countries.

>>15688254
Any evidence to support your claim?

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>>15688242
Hey its a busrider

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>>15688258
Pic related

They're special whirly turbos. Very good for the environment.

>>15688130
>No it actually doesn't.
Yes, it actually does, you colossal retard. Do you think exhaust clean air? Have you ever worked on a car in your life? Have you ever seen the soot and carbon buildup in exhaust ports? EGR feeds a little bit of that that DIRECTLY INTO YOUR INTAKE. Over time, it creates loads of buildup.

>>15688270
Slower than the sr8

>>15688270
>citation needed
>>15688262
>spoon and circle races

HOLY SHIT MODS ARE ACTUALLY DELETING SHITPOSTS MODS = GOD'S FOR ONCE ON THIS GODFORSAKEN BOARD

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>>15688290
>spoon feed me mommy!!!

>>15688298
>still no citation
I'm not the assblasted one here.

>>15688290
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/03/02/radical-rxc-turbo-500r-geneva/

>" the RXC Turbo 500R is Radical's fastest-ever track coupe."

>>15687866
It's a fancy way to say "turbocharged engine", cause they want to make it sound like it's some fancy forced induction technology.

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>>15688314
>spoon feed me mommy!!!

>>15688327
So why is it slower than the sr8 around the ring?

>>15688339
How would you know since it's never been taken around the nordschliefe, v8 cuckboy lol


it seems weird radical would call their ecoboost godmachine the fastest if it isnt the fastest now huh?

>>15688274
I'm a mechanic. Soot is soot. It doesn't magically turn itself into hard carbon buildup on the back if valves, which is what we're talking about if you would bother to read. Fucking moron.

>>15688357
Just like how gm say the c7 is faster than the zr1 but it isn't
They can be shown as wrong if they don't directly test their statement can they? It's like me saying I have a big dicks but never taking my pants off (I do btw)

>>15688327
That wasn't so hard was it?

>>15688376
>n-n-n-no ! the ecoboost powered car is really the fastest road car on earth!! t-t-t-this can't be!

>>15688371
>Soot is soot. It doesn't magically turn itself into hard carbon buildup on the back if valves
Nigger you what? Soot is LITERALLY carbon dust and EGR 100% irrefutably contributes to buildup on valves, you stupid fucking nigger. You're no mechanic, you probably don't know metric from SAE, anyone who has ever wrenched on cars has seen the buildup in EGR valves and around EGR hoses/ports in intake manifolds.

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>>15688018
Next gen "eco" branded tech has lied to us again

>>15688406
Not 100%
Shit gets through an air filter, and cars do backfire every now and then, even newer ones.
But EGR is shit, delete ASAP

t. a different mechanic

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>>15688412
>mfw seeing "ECO" plastered all over CFL lightbulb packages when they're full of mercury and people throw them in the landfill because they can't be arsed to dispose of them properly
>mfw those bulbs never live up to their estimated lifespan
>mfw people fell for the eco jew again

>>15688412
They already switched to port fuel injection combined with direct injection for 2017 models
>>15688376
Stay triggered V8 cuck

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>>15688018

>All that build up

>>15688423
>Not 100%
YES 100% dumbass, there is NO debating that EGR contributes to intake tract fouling, it is 100% certain.

>>15688434
Agreed, but 100% of it is not from EGR alone.

Also ecoboost is shit. Replace with better turbo, or get the '17 port injection setup.
Or BOTH

>>15687866
Because they are smaller than the engines that they replaced in addition to this >>15687874.

Also see >>15686032

>>15688438
>Agreed, but 100% of it is not from EGR alone.
I never said that, read gudder son

>>15687866
its turbo and direct injection (which also means throttle-by-wire bc no throttle body so yep that's it dude a lot of companies do the same thing they just refer to it with different names, nothing special really

>>15688451
Fords most powerful engine is a v8
Lolol

>>15688451
>no proof its faster than sr8 or the LM
>only has link showing a company trying to hype up their new car

>>15688429
Actually not that uncommon on a lot of vehicles post 2010. Saw an Accord the other day and it looked like you could go up to the tail pipe and break off a 1lb chunk of carbon.

>>15688189
>implying DI is a good thing

>>15688451
You haven't heard of the ecoboost v8 in the gt500 by ford themselves kys

>inb4 bait

>>15688477
Gm said the c7 will run sub 7 minutes at the ring
They also said their ignition switches don't kill peolle
Manufacturers are always to be trusted, good goy

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>>15688029
When will I get to be memed?

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>>15688425
It came out last year that two Chinese companies along with LG were making shit bulbs on purpose that we basically made to fail.

>>15688509
Unfortunately /o/'s pet assburger doesn't like GM

>>15687866
it spins a lot faster than a normal turbo a normal turbo will spin at about 7000 rpm with a small amount of boost. the ecoboost turbocharger spins at about 16,000 rpm. with the same amount of boost

>>15688560
So it fails faster

>>15688560
I think your numbers might be a bit off

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>>15688560
>a normal turbo will spin at about 7000 rpm with a small amount of boost. the ecoboost turbocharger spins at about 16,000 rpm. with the same amount of boost

>>15688049

As of 2010, Ford is introducing a GDI turbo variant of the Mazda LF engine design as the EcoBoost 2.0L, using Ford's own manifold and engine control systems. Ford plans to use the L-engine well into the future for their EcoBoost and Duratec 4-cylinder generations. As of 2011, Mazda will cease to develop the L-engine, to be replaced by the SKYACTIV P-engine. At this time, Ford will be the only manufacturer still using the Mazda L-engine design.

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>>15688561
im not banned

>>15688560

Most companies use twin scroll turbos and are well into boost by 1,500 rpm.

>>15688371
You haven't worked on a TDI VW. Shit gets nasty with heavy buildup from the egr. Totally get what your saying though. My DI BMW didn't have an egr system and had all sorts of problems with valves getting dirty from the pcv system.

>>15688592
>being this triggered that he has no proof of being faster than the sr8 LM other than a company hyping their new car

>>15687866
It's just a corporate buzzword for their line of GDI turbo engines.

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>>15688613
Radical >you

>>15688627
physical proof > hype

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>>15688639
Radical >you

>>15688648
>lying
Lol

>>15688049
>He doesn't know the Mustang Ecoboost is basically using a Mazdaspeed engine
Kek

>>15688427
I really don't get why OEMs didn't do combined port + direct injection from the start. Port injection to create the homogeneous lean mixture, direct injection to create the stratified rich charge.

>>15688792
I don't know why they don't use water injection to cool the combustion chamber instead of just running rich

>>15688831
The point of the rich charge is not to reduce temperatures but to make it possible to have a mixture that is on average leaner than stoich without risking detonation.

>>15688874
okay I'm talking about when they do run rich to reduce temperatures, like on boost

>>15688935
The concern is hydrolock. Also there's no good way to really know the water concentration of the air entering the engine so you can't exactly get the ECU to control things.

>>15688406
This is the mixture of exhaust gases and the oil from the pcv you stupid fuck. Exhaust soot by itself doesn't cause carbon buildup on the back of valves. Dumbass.

>>15688607
I own a vw TDI, and do a lot of work on them actually. As above, it is the combination of oil mist with the exhaust gas. If no oil mist, the soot doesn't stick.

I don't understand how this is so hard for people to understand. Put your hand in front of the exhaust and rev the vehicle. You can brush the particles off. Coat your hand with oil then do the same thing and try to brush it off. You end up with a filthy whore paste, like you see in intakes when the pcv oil mist mixes with the exhaust gasses.

>>15688560
This is some weapons grads autism. Turbo going at 16000 rpm. Wew lad

>>15689171
I really don't understand why PCV systems dump oil into the intake. Why not filter out the oil and dump it back into the oil pan?

>>15688290
>>15688290
>>spoon and circle races
moving goalposts like a true busrider

>>15689198
Some cars do but no system is perfect. Part of the problem is the oil is a vapor so it has to condense. The cool intake charge does a great job of doing this unfortunately. If you ever play around with a catch can you'll have to play around with baffling and steel wool to effectively filter anything out. My catch can didn't catch anything with the integrated baffling it had.

Lots of times the valve covers will have baffling integrated into them to help with this problem but they're never perfect and on turbo cars it's never good enough.

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>>15689198
Because that would cost the vehilce makers $3 more per car, and they don't give a fuck. They put some baffles in the rocker cover and call it a day. Also having a proper catch can like a provent requires a filter, which is just another thing that plebs won't change.

>>15689100
okay, so no real reasons.

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>His washer and dryer don't have EcoBoost

>>15689198
The oil vapor drawn out by the PCV system contains blow-by, which is fuel fumes that made it past the piston rings. You don't want it in your oil.

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>>15689100
WTF are you talking about? BMW has a car from the factory with water injection. You can have a safely regulated electronic water injection system that will work wonders. Hydrolock is only a concern if you're dumping copious amounts of unregulated liquid.

BTW Hydro-locking isn't something specific to water. Any liquid is capable of hydro-locking an engine.

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>>15688560
>2.9 PSI at 44,000 RPM
>43.5 PSI at 150,500 RPM

>>15689339
It's in your oil anyway mate.

>>15687866
EcoBoost is just like any other DI turbo.

And having owned both, I still think the N54 is a better engine from the factory, but the Ford can be better with a minor tune.

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>>15689976
No, it's in the windage. PCV doesn't draw oil from the sump. The idea is to draw the fuel fumes out of the engine before they make it out of the aerosol in the crankcase and into the pool of liquid oil in the sump.

>>15689349
That seems viable but I question just how precise the water injection really is if you're reliant on intake temperature/fuel injected/TPS for some determination of combustion temperatures.

>>15690200
Or just have a proper catch can that you can drain every few weeks/month? I still fail to see how this is worse than dumping oil into the intake.

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>>15690249
I assume it's because eco laws don't let you dump or recycle fuel-contaminated oil. They have to do something with it, so they burn it. You can solve the problem by plumbing one of these into the PCV line. For $5 and 5 minutes, it's not even worth complaining about.

>>15690200
OK, well do an oil analysis on your engine and let me know how that goes for you.

>>15690339
Let you know how not dumping fuel-contaminated oil back into my crankcase goes? It's going pretty damn well.

>>15687874
So pretty much every modern turbocharged petrol engine? lmao

>>15690347
As I said, do an oil analysis on your oil next time you drain it. There will be fuel in it. Typically an acceptable upper amount of fuel dilution in an oil test is about 2%.

>>15690301
That's very questionable. Some OEMs do ship oil separators which dump PCV oil back into the crankcase but I've almost never seen a proper catch can.

I doubt that blowby from the PCV is any more dangerous than normal used oil, just dump into the same container as used oil and recycle it all the same.

>>15690364
FIAT

>>15690600
DIESEL

>>15690381
So I should be adding oil back in that has 5% or 10% or God knows how much fuel in it?

>>15690411
>Buy $5 oil separator from Harbor Freight
>Dump contaminated PCV oil on the ground because fuck the police
Where's the problem?

>>15688560
cars with turbos only have 1000hp, hense the late boost threshold (7000rpm).

heavymental is also a fucking nigger

>>15690613
>So I should be adding oil back in that has 5% or 10% or God knows how much fuel in it?

I never actually advocated for that, but no, it's still going to make any difference.

>>15688560
The number you are looking for is 2000 RPM, 16,000 RPM is beyond the operating limit for most jet turbines.

>>15687866
Ecoboost is tuned for economy, not performance.