So the new ND Miata is garnering a reputation for catastrophic

who knows, they really are awful glass transmissions though, it's why the fiata uses the previous get NC gearbox.

it seems to get even worse when you add even a little bit more torque due to tuning or whatever

>>15536082
why don't they replace all of them with NC gearbox?

>>15536108
probably doesnt mate cleanly to the ND engine

man its gonna suck for anyone who buys these as a first sports car 20 years from now.

>>15536148
they'll probably do a design revision in a year or so, and as they break they'll swap them out with the revised design

usually these super early run issues become a non-issue later in the car's life

Is it the same box they were using in the S2 RX8? Because I had to have my RX8 box rebuilt 3x due to defective 2-3 synchros and then the mechanics being too retarded to rebuild a tranny properly.

>>15536108
some beancounter deskjockey poindexter shithead problem told them it's cheaper to eat the cost than admitting anything including redesign and replacing every on every fagmobile they sold

see 1990-1991 NA miata

>>15536039
you cant sue something that's already covered by the warranty

>go back to socialist reddit

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>>15536108
-The gearing is much different - skyactiv is based on efficiency (not just marketing), part of which is found in the driveline, namely final drive ratio.
-ND-like gearing (5:1 first lel) doesn't exist for the previous transmission (the AZ6 thats also used in the S2000/RX-8/NB/toyobaru/S15/etc).
-they don't want to have to also replace all the diffs to get the ratios back to design.

Pic related, manual ND gearing from Mazdas website

>>15536039
>When will Mazda fix the problem and do a full recall?
When Ford recalls its bunk automatic transmissions in 2011-2016 Focuses and Fiestas: Never.

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>>15536156
I mean if they don't fix it by next year, then when are they really going to get around to it? They're rolling the RF out this coming spring, if its still fucked they'll essentially have 2 cars with the same garbage transmissions. Then there's no mazdaspeed until 2021 at the earliest.
I'd have very little faith in mazda if its not ironed out by the 2017 models

>>15536223
It's funny that Ford owns 30% of Mazda

>>15536503
>Ford owns 30% of Mazda

Did I just travel back in time to 2006?

>>15536039
wouldn't have happened if ford still owned them as mazda engineering has always been substandard.

i really hope mazda can get through this, would hate to see them go the way of saab

thats because they want you to drop a 13b+6 speed as soon as you get one

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>>15536039
>2016
>spending 30k on a miata

Wew Lad

>>15536582
>buying a 2+2 cuckbox

kek

friendly reminder, faggot

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazda/miata/2016/2016-mazda-mx-5-vs-2015-subaru-brz-comparison/

>1:29.91 for the MX-5, 1:31.27 for the BRZ.

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>>15536582
Are you implying to spend it on something slower than a fucking miata?

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>>15536593
>>15536596
>implying the refreshed model won't be faster, even on Prius tires

>>15536624
it won't

it will be heavier and will make probably 1 or 2 hp more

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>>15536641
Don't forget about the new differential, brembo brakes, and improved struts m8.

But hey, if you want to spend 30k on a miata, be my guest. Enjoy your notchy transmission

>>15536676
>enjoy your faster car

sounds like a deal

also

>improved struts
>struts

oh thats right, the toyobaru has mcphersons at the front right?


top kek

>>15536684
Why does it matter how fast a car is if it handles well? I mean isn't that why everyone owns an mx5 anyway?

>>15536698
the miata handles better than the toyobaru

which is why its faster around a circuit despite making 25% less power

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>>15536710
The miata obviously has the weight advantage, but has too much body roll compared to the 86.

Not to mention the hard top is a nice bonus.

>>15536727
>Not to mention the hard top is a nice bonus.
if you enjoy the pigfat

> but has too much body roll compared to the 86.
yet it laps a circuit faster despite making 25% less power

funny isn't it

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how will the toyobaru recover?

>>15536039
>shit-up-a-creek

What?

I think you mean "up shit creek"

from the saying, "up shit creek without a paddle" meaning, in a bad position with no way to help yourself.

>>15536759
go back to c/lit/

>>15536806
Go back to school

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>>15536108
>mfw the Fiata will unironically be more reliable than the Miata it's based on
lmao

>>15536860
we live in fucking strange times
also, reminder that fiat has its head up its ass an will be really reluctant to give test drives early on for fiatas.
it's ok though, i'm getting one used next year so they can go get fucked

>>15536870
why are you interested in the fiata given their reputation?

>>15536879
the only real fiat bit is the engine, and it's the only reliable thing they make

>>15536732
Does it lap a circuit 25% faster with a blown 2nd and 3rd gear?

>>15536732

>25% less power
>500lbs lighter and no ability to be anything better than a weekend toy

would rather just buy a 86 as a daily and buy a 10 y/o sportbike as a toy with the $4000-5000 i saved over the miata desu

>>15536818
#bants

>>15536039
Weird that Mazda hasn't addressed the issue. But it's expected when a new model gets released.

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>>15536732
Miata makes 135whp

86 makes 170hp.

Is that 25%? I'm bad at math

>>15536212
>6 forward drive gears
>not a single one is an overdrive

Are miatas really that gutless? Why does mazda build transmissions using engineering principles practiced in the 1950s?

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It is better for a manufacturer to stop production until the problem has been addressed, or just keep churning out faulty cars while working on the solution?

Picture related, second gear of a 6 speed ND gearbox.

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>>15537128
>this much carnage from 155hp.

>>15537128
> b-b-but it laps faster around a circuit!
Mazda faggots BTFO

>>15536039
Miata transmissions have always had problems

They get replaced/rebuilt on warranty and it goes away- same thing happened with a lot of NA/NB's

>>15536676
I'm excited to see how much the new brz is better with the performance package and all the retuned suspension and manual transmission will probably get one when i test drive it

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>>15537076
>miata 135whp
>86 170whp

fiata makes 200whp with just a $650 tune :)

https://shopeurocompulsion.net/products/euro-drive-lite-tuning-system-fiat-124

>>15537285
I'll admit the fiata is a solid platform. I would never spend over 30k on a convertible though.

>>15537083
>his mustang can't pull a 2.86 final drive
lmao

>>15537128
did they not do real world testing? fuck

japs are getting lazy

>>15537314
>never spend over 30k on a convertible
that's retarded logic. just fyi

>>15536039
They'll probably fix it when they retool for the next production year like every other manufacturer out there.

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>>15536039
>
When will Mazda fix the problem and do a full recall? When will customers bring this to the media and sue their pants off?

when will mazda stop making this garbage car?

This thread was brought to you by FCA US LLC ™

Remember to buy the Fiat 124 Spider ™

>>15536727
Bodyroll is easy as hell to get rid of. $400 on a pair of anti-rollbars that can be installed in less than an hour.

>>15537800
Why? Have you ever daily driven a vert? Do you know how many get cut into?

>>15536159
Probably not. The RX-8 transmission is the same box used in the NB Miata, Lexus IS, and FR-S, none of which are particularly known for catastrophic transmission failure.

>>15538261

daily driven one for 7 years. Not a single cut.

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>>15536962
I wonder what I would buy with the $5000 I would save getting the Miata over the 86.

>>15536159
The transmission used in the first gen Mazda3 also had syncro problems.

>>15536108
It's heavier

what specifically fails with these? id there any actual proof that its a manufacturing error and not people driving like retards? just for the sake of curiosity.

>>15538052
when will you learn how to green text correctly you fucking nigger

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>>15536860
>>15536870
Yeah man, the Fiata is totally more reliable :)

>>15538291
I think it's the lack of fluid capacity. It supposedly takes some ridiculously low amount, like 0.65 quarts.

>>15536727
The FR-S has less body roll because it has stiff sway bars, which reduce roll but also reduce traction. The Miata is faster around a corner despite, or in a sense because of the greater body roll.

>>15538343
Swaybars are like the easiest handling modification, so I don't even get why people bother complaining about the bodyroll.
Stiff swaybars greatly ruins the comfort.

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>>15538280
That's pretty good. I didn't mean just about cuts though. I've owned a vert in the winter, and would not want to put up with that on a daily basis. That's my personal thing though.

I've dealt with ragtops, sunroofs, t-tops and targa tops. If given the choice, I will always pick fixed hard top.

>>15538314


I don't think it's that, I've just looked up capacities for manual miatas for the last 5 years, its a consistent 2L ish, pretty normal for a small manual.

I did a little bit of digging and so far I've found that the ones that fail are typically summer builds, and with track use. Most people don't have problems by the looks of things, just people being vocal when things go south. Nobody's every vocal when everything goes normally. I'm not convinced this is as big a problem as /o/ has told me it is over the past while.

>>15538302
the only fiat bit is the engine, their 1.4 turbo
it's the same engine in the dodge dart and the 500 abarth
ask owners of either of those cars if they've had engine problems, they'll tell you no but EVERYTHING ELSE breaks.

the 1.4 is basically the best engine fiat could have put in anything because it's the closest thing to bulletproof they make, on top of having extremely good tuning potential

>>15538359
>Adding stiffer sway bars is the easiest way to fuck up the handling of your car
FTFY. Where did this ebin "flatter is better" maymay come from?

>>15538282
a new transmission every month.

>>15538425
$5000 is enough for a TR6060 and everything it takes to make it fit.

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>>15538435
>spending 5k on a brand new sports car just so you can drive it.

Miatafags on suicide watch!

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>>15536212
I did not know that the ND miata shared the same transmissions with so many other cars.

Honestly when I heard Mazda was doing this transmission and differential change I thought the diffs would be the problem area.

I do like miatas, I've owned 2, but god damn did mazda drop the ball on the ND. knowing that the fiata has more power, some interior trim options, and I think with the added benefit of a turbo adding power is much more simple and has much more gain who would choice the mazda over the fiat?
I

>>15538393
I don't know
Nothing here seems track used at all
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=610318

>>15538421
Flatter is probably better on flat and even surfaces, as the inside wheels will have more grip. But roads are uneven and filled with potholes. One pro with stiffer swaybars is that the cars steering is more responsive and it's more stable.

Tried running my NB with aftermarket coilovers without swaybars and it felt like the new ND sport. Comfortable and unresponsive.

>>15538464
the fiat will depreciate like fucking crazy, you'd be a fool to buy one new

>>15536909
>Fiat's current gen engines
>reliable

The 1.4 multi air is not exactly known by its reliability fami. Maybe by its cool sounding vvt, but after that, not much fucking else other than breakdowns after 40k miles

>>15536727
> mx-5: can drive with or without a top
> brz/frs: can only drive with a top on

> it's a nice bonus!

>>15538464
that car looks like Walmart designed it, ugly and bland as fuck

the ND looks sexy and fun without going too overboard

i'll wait til they fix this transmission shit

>>15537285
the miata gains 30hp and 30ft-lbs with a header and tune
so almost 200hp also

>>15538469
>http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=610318


Interesting, I was looking at a similar thread on the same site, but I honestly didn't scroll through all the pages. To me it sounds like the problem is with the gears themselves, perhaps a tempering issue with the metal. Regardless I doubt it will be recalled unless it ends up killing anyone.

The link to the thread i looked at, in case anyone is interested.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=603239

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>>15538550
Like I said, convertibles are fun, but I would never pick a vert over a hardtop.

I would feel differently if the car wasn't my DD.

>>15538555


Having seen one in person, I'll vouch that it actually looks pretty good, out of 30 people that saw it, they all liked it. They also all agreed it's a girls car. Surprisingly, it comfortably seated a 6'6 man. Not surprisingly, it had a trunk big enough to hold a small briefcase, no more. I liked it, unfortunately it bears the curse of the 1.4l, and is therefore doomed to live either in a shop or on an auction block.

>>15538561
that header and tune is way more expensive though
around 4 grand, no?
and it seems like adding more power to ND's current trannie seems like a really bad idea

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>>15538561

You're spending $3k to reach 190 whp on a good day on the ND.

For the same money you're approaching 250whp on the fiat

>>15538666
>wanting a laggy shitty turbo over pure godly N/A

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>>15538302
>ford
>it's substandard or aids

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>>15536582

I guess we need to ad reliability to the list of things the Prius tired 86 beats the track reedy club miata at.

>>15539023
>It's a win to have more power and being slower
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY 12YEAR OLDS ON THE INTERNET. GO AND PLAY POKEMON FFS

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>>15536039
So '86 owners consider tires and brake pads consumables, mustang ecoboost owner turbos and Miata owners Gearboxes and anal lube.

>>15539036
3:18.6 slower than 3:29.8? I guess they haven't got to subtraction in 2nd grade math.

>>15539049
>fakelap times
roflmao, see motortrned test

>>15539049
I was referring to the 0-120 time.
Also it's only GT86 fags who are trying to justify their purchase. I bet that every single one of them who bought the GT86 before the NDs release suffers from a bad case of buyers remorse.

>>15536039
Yet another reason to go for the Fiata. Not only will it respond to tuning better, it also won't blow it's gearbox to bits.

>>15536108
>Bad gear ratios
>Won't fit
>Heavier
They'd be better off redesigning the ND unit instead.

>>15537083
Because they lowered the gearbox ratios, and put a higher (numerically lower) ratio in the diff. That way your cruise gear (6th) is a direct drive, which is supposed to be stronger, but you've still got a pretty low overall gear ratio, which means your RPM and fuel use drop.

>>15538550
Hardtop rigidity should be a plus.

>>15538586
Convertibles are objectively better for daily use though, especially in the summer. For daily use, you won't notice the lost rigidity/added weight, but you will be able to enjoy the open top.

>>15539310
Yes, but typically convertibles have a smaller trunk and they tend to leak once the seals get old. So it depends, really.

ND owner here,

The transmission issues where what pushed me towards getting automatic. I needed a new car asap and the auto also fit my needs better.

I use it as a daily driver and put up with a crazy amount of traffic on daily basis. Shifting would have been a pain in the ass. Only time i would have been able to have fun with a stick version would be around 2 am on highways.

As for my thoughts on the miata nd.

I love the car, so much fun to be had on it. Automatic has some paddle shifters that do a decent job of letting me shift when i get the urge too.

>>15538168
>This thread was brought to you by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles N.V.™
>Remember to buy the Fiat 124 Spider™, Abarth™ 124 Spider™, and Abarth™ 124 Spider Rally.
Get your shilling right man.

>>15538668
>Not liking power and gains

>>15539383
Turbo is like a sledgehammer
N/A is like a cute cardiobunny on crack

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>>15536582
Why would you not buy an over priced miata?

>>15539146
Nope. I like the nd but it Is not the car I wanted. If a nd platform had rear seats and a fixed roof I would consider it, but this transmission thing has me wondering if I trust the Ford miata.

>>15539364
Gay

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>>15539146
>I bet that every single one of them who bought the GT86 before the NDs release suffers from a bad case of buyers remorse.

Oh yeah, I really wished I waited for a car that grenades it's transmission. It's the ND owners who are probably depressed that they didn't wait for the Fiata.

>>15539310
Open tops are overrated.

>>15539364
Faggot

>>15539364
>buying an slushbox on a car meant for fun

>>15540007
Slushbox has fewer issues so more fun.
ND owners on suicide watch.

>>15538302
>audi
>3rd best
yeah nice meme chart faggot

Pigfat gears

>When will Mazda learn how to not have best fleet fuel efficiency

>>15540007
It's the best automatic there is,
better than feeling than almost every dual clutch.

>>15540212
what?

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>>15540232
>It's the best automatic there is

>>15536562
The fuck?
EVERYTHING ford has is because of mazda.
Its also reported from numerous sources that ford is far less reliable than mazda accross their shared platforms.
Youre a tard.
>>15536039
>this whole thread
No sources for any of this (mis)information.
>>15536156
This is truth
>>15536175
This is truth
>>15536503
>people still think this
Holy fuck
>>15536562
Gonna touch this one again
>he thinks for designs their own things
>he thinks has a standard greater than cheap and easy
Kek
>>15537046
WARRANTY
>>15537083
>Termi in charge of knowledge
>>15537235
Nope
>>15538287
Nope
>>15539364
This is bait
---------
>Thread devolves into miata vs fiata
No one actually knows the benefits or dissadvanteges of either car
Holy fuck modern /o/ is a terrible place

>>15540695
>>>15538287 (You)
>Nope

Yes anon. Google the g35m-r. This isn't even a debate or opinion. It's a known fact in the community.

>>15540755
I just searched
>g35m-r issues
>g35m-r synchro problems
>g35m-r
Literally nothing

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>>15540695
>this mazda shilling
holy fuck you people don't even feel shame anymore

>>15540811
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fCKkacIVY
http://www.mazda3forums.com/61-powertrain-2004-2009-mazda3/413744-2-3-transmission-synchro-out.html
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?68417-question-about-replacing-synchroshttp://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2010-2013-mazda-3-skyactiv-discussion/14271-most-mazda-problems-diffrent-years.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/mazda3/comments/2bapz3/common_1stgen_issues_near_100k/
http://www.mazdaforum.com/forum/mazda3-26/2007-mazda-3-transmission-grind-27004/

I even test drove an 05 or 06 hatch that had the 3rd gear synchro problem. Third is by far the most common to go out. I left the parking lot and shifted into second, then third and immediately upon putting it in third gear I got a nice crunch sound from the transmission. I slowed down, went back into second and up into third and it did the same noise.

I drove it back to the mexican car lot and told them the problem, I said I might consider buying it for about 1000-1500 less. They said they couldn't do that but their solution was to try to sell me a $1900 warranty that would cover it.

>>15540857
>posts a couple isolated bad synchros
>probably from people beating on the car
Still nothing m8.
Im part of a local mazda club. Most of us drive 3s. None of us have this issue. Even my 3 is at 160k miles and shifts perfectly.

>>15540891
So because I didn't post a thousand links it's irrelevant?

I also drive a 3 and I've been on M3F and MSF for long enough to know that this is an issue.

>>15540915
Well im sorry about your retardation.
If it was a common problem like you suggest then i would be able to find more info about it.
If i google ecoboost turbo problem i get 1000s of results.
But nothing on a mazda 3 5spd transmission issue.
And trust me im really looking because i want to know if my car will break.
Its not a huge deal. Its not a common problem. Mine is living proof of that. A lack of search results is proof of that.

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I don't pop the clutch at 5K+ rpms just so I can beat some soccer mom in her SUV to the next light. I don't try to kick the rear end out from under the car, or try to drift it. I don't do a lot of the things that might cause failures for some folks. What I wonder how much driver operation comes into play with some of the failures.

>>15541012
Fucking nothing
Read >>15538469
Shits exploding going up peoples driveways

more proof auto is better

Guys, no one cares about the mazda3

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>>15537128
>those fucking gears
My thumbnail is thicker. What the fuck, Mazda.

>>15541081
>>15536039

>he thinks mazda built the transmission
>he doesnt know they are built by a seperate company based on specs that mazda wanted
>he doesnt know that mazda can only fix the issue if the transmission manufacturer will play ball too
This is why instant action isnt taken
Mazda isnt ignoring it. They are working out a solution. These things take time.
Mazda will still be blamed though

>>15538302
>hyundai
>it's either p solid or an accent, which drags the entire range down
kekking in my seat. the accent is so damn prone to early death.

>>15541101
They still accepted it.

>>15541110
Knowing full well there could be issues.
Things arent magically perfect.
People are quick to condemn without having a full understanding of the situation.
Responsibility is a tough thing when billions of people are watching and judging you.

>>15541101
>>he doesnt know they are built by a seperate company based on specs that mazda wanted

>number of gears: 6
>ratios: who cares
>price: cheap, like the rest of the car
>material: billet chocolate (T6 heat treated)

>>15541136
Blind hate is fun

>>15540944
and I'm sorry about your blindness.
I googled "mazda3 synchro out" and posted most of the first page of results. There are plenty of cases of this being a problem. Plenty of search results and it's plenty common enough. I love Mazda, I DD a 2.5l swapped 07 hatchback with koni yellows, eibachs, and hotchkiss sways, but your fanboi level approaches that of a Hontard.

Even just googling "mazda3 synchro" brings up tons of third gear synchro failures.

>>15541133
>Things arent magically perfect.
what is real-world road testing for several years before release?

someone dropped the ball BIG TIME esp since it's a flagship car

>>15541215
Not ALL of them fail moron.
Real world tests can produce great results.
Then you mass produce 100s of thousands of the same part. Thinks are bound to break

>>15541315
Look at this delusional fanboy. The car hasn't even been out for a year and he is already hugging Mazda's nuts.

This is why you don't buy first year models

>>15541336
>makes sense
>gets called a delusional fanboy
Never change /o/

>>15539580
It's literally slower than a Miata so fuck off with your "true sportscar".

>>15540232

Same guy from earlier that bought the automatic ND. The automatic is solid on this, obviously standard is always preferred way to go but it was too risky for me to get it with the unknown transmission issues.

Been using the paddle shifters every once and a while on it, they are fun too mess around with.

>>15536582

You have to keep in mind your also getting a convertible for that extra bit of money

Race down pacific coast highway in a convertible with the top down and you will quickly realize why its better than a hardtop

Only reason I would get a hardtop car is if I lived in an area with shitty weather.

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>>15536732
>funny isn't it

>>15538282
A transmission rebuild

>>15541941
A miata, as in one model in the whole lineup that is comparatively equipped. Only one model gets LSD that comes standard with the toyobaru. People are launching boosted toyobarus at 8k rpm with slicks with the factory drivetrains with no mods.

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>>15538282
Idk what this language is but in America the club sport cost the same as the comparable brz.

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>>15542589
Comparison

>>15542524
>People are launching boosted toyobarus at 8k rpm with slicks with the factory drivetrains with no mods
They could just have bought a V6 Mustang and gone faster.

>>15542610
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>>15542610
and had as much fun doing it as driving a soggy pile of shit

>>15542610
You could just buy (insert car here) and go faster. Some asshole is running a full interior scion with 700 hp because why not. http://www.speedhunters.com/2016/06/scion-fr-s-built-one-thing/

>>15542629
>>15542643

>muh pure Japanese sportscar feels
May I remind you that both the Mustang and the Toyobaru use economy car tier McPherson front suspension, something you typically wouldn't find on a serious, handling focused sports car?

>>15542653
I don't notice anything wrong other than needing to add camber adjustment to my factory front end. A set of re71's makes me as fast or faster than anyone else autocrossing with re71's. The only people better have years of experience on me. Btw you are mentioning handling to a post about drag racing. Cummon.

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>>15542653
As far as I understood, the whole idea with the brz was that you were supposed to replace everything on it, but it was and is still fun to drive stock.
A lot more fun than the ecostang.

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>>15542679

How much hassle and how much money is it to get the engine to 300 crank horsepower in daily driveable form using premium gas and fixing the retarded front camber?

>>15542697
as far as the brz goes, the front struts aren't going to break the bank, a upgraded ecu with a full cat-back aren't too bad either.
Hassle wise I could see a little bit of time, but not much.
Other options can be a TC or a SC, but can get a bit higher in price.
I want to love this car and the aftermarket is getting large.
I genuinely want to love this car, but toyota and subaru can't agree on shit when it comes to this car, why the brz will still continue but subaru is making a successor for it and I can't wait to see what they make.

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>>15542653
really?

>>15542697
Idk about the engine. A turbo and some dyno Time. I hear 300 is where you can safely boost them. The suspension is honestly not bad. All you need are camber bolts and an alignment. Camber plates and coils if you want to go crazy. If you go full stance kid with 3* of **functional** camber It has stupid front grip

>>15542737
Don't forget pretty much any rally based car since multi links are fragile as fuck and not good for tough terrain.

>>15542800
not sure where you got that information

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So instead of being mad at Mazda, the fanboys in here want to attack the 86.

This is some hard core deflection

>>15542805
People who rally saying that you can't buy any awd car and expect it to be good for rally, if it is multi link it will constantly be going out of alignment and the handling will be shit.

>>15542737
It's not the 80s anymore.

>>15542860
oh okay. well who knows where they got that information.

>>15542862
do the rules of physics cease to apply in the current year?

>>15542866
Newsflash: The E30 M3 isn't all that impressive by modern standards. The sub-par front suspension is balanced out by the equally sub-par rear suspension on the E30 chassis. Things look different with modern, state-of-the-art multilink rear suspension like the Toyobaru has.

>>15542882
yeah the latest M3 and 911 aren't that impressive either. not compared to the miata at least

>>15540695
>EVERYTHING ford has is because of mazda
wat? ford has been one of the biggest auto companies in the world for about 100 years now

I daily a Miata and even I can admit that the Toyobaru is better than the ND.