>Want to buy new mustang >Go to dealership >Ask if I

>>15518308
Find a different salesman, explain what the other guy did and buy it from them. Make sure the first guy is around.

>>15518308
>go to the Ford dealership with my girlfriend
>walk around the lot sales person comes up asks what were looking for
>for shits and giggles let him know im interested in the new V8
>before even talking about finance rates price or anything he is already signing out a set of keys
>drive off without girlfriend by accident
>this has been was a recurring fight and now funny story about how I left her there to test drive a mustang

Either you went in looking like a bum or youre autistic and dont know how to talk to people. Sales cucks are usually desperate to get you to sign on the line

>>15518308

No one's going to put the liability of a 50,000 dollar car in the hands of anyone under the age of 25.

>>15518327

That didn't happen.

>>15518308
t. silicon valley tech worker, fresh out of college, with no idea how to carry himself like an adult

>I-im a car enthusiast guys

>>15518327
Went down the same way when I was checking out a BRZ. Unfortunately the car was shit.

It was excellently entertaining to bargain on the deal when I had absolutely no interest in signing. The salesguy and manager were shitting themselves.

>>15518319

No fuck that place I'm not giving them my money unless they fire him

>>15518343

I have a perfect driving record and insurance. What's the big fucking deal? How do they expect to sell cars if they are only going to let certain people test drive them?

>>15518363
>How do they expect to sell cars if they are only going to let certain people test drive them?
Okay anon, how old are you?

>>15518343
I beg to differ. When I was 21 I got a test drive in a V8 Challenger, a V8 Camaro, and a V8 Mustang all in the same day

>>15518362
Green text?

>>15518348

Definitely isn't from the Silicon Valley - he said the next closest Ford dealer was 2 hours away.

Maybe from the Midwest?

i bet op doesnt have an 800+ credit score

>>15518371

24

>>15518376
Midwesteners are very friendly. Maybe OP is from the Northeast.

>>15518363
You're right, just anyone should have the opportunity to fuck up a ton of shit with little to no reprocussions.

If you couldn't get a test drive, you must've been acting like an awkward fuck and/or professional autist

>>15518363

By different salesman, he meant the dealership on the other side of town.

Then you bring your car to the first dealership with the stickers still on it and tell them all about it and why you bought it where you did.

It won't accomplish much but it'll be fun.

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>>15518376

Likely a midwestern or Dakotan oil/gas worker. Same pay as Silicon Valley weebs, just double the work.

>>15518362
Same here I even told him look I work at the bank I can get decent finance rate so what do you do in terms of cash back to lower my amortization period

"uhh.... uh... I dont know Anon I need to check with my manager"

"Thats alright here is my cell phone number call me when you find out"

and I never answered his calls

>>15518388
I'm from New England. It's not hard to do here.

Reminds me of a story my grandpa used to tell me. It was 1967 or some shit, working at a chevy dealer.
Beach bum comes up saying he wants to buy a new vette. Long hair, shaggy beard, holes in clothes, sandals, exec.

One sales person pretty much blows him off and says for him to get the hell out of there. The next day he comes back and my grandpa didn't have jack shit else to do so he humors him and lets him drive. He was surprised he even had a license.

When they get out he says "I'll take it!, how much? as he proceeds to whip out like 10g's in cash. Uhh that'll be 4000 sir.

You never know whos got the money anon.

>>15518389
Don't they have insurance for that kind of shit, and make you sign a liability waiver anyway?

>>15518395
>New England
Called it. Somebody owes me a beer

>>15518327
Pretty much this. I just gave a sideways glance at a GT with a salesman standing 30 feet away and he was practically sprinting to get the keys. They must be able to smell vulnerability because I ended up buying the damn thing. He probably wasn't expecting to get $15k down though.

>>15518376
>>15518388
I was gonna say, I'm in north east KS and we have Ferd dealers coming out the woodwork. Any time I've interacted with salesmen around here they're over the top friendly because they want your money.

In the end OP went to a dealership acted like an autistic faglord and was surprised when they wanted him off their property

KEK

>>15518363
>fuck that place
Enjoy your 2 hour drive each way then.

>>15518433
Kek'd hard my friend. Cheers.

>>15518388
>>15518376

no, from SW Colorado.

>>15518400
I'm not OP fucknut

>>15518451
Oh. Smoke weed? I want to visit Colorado to smoke weed legally.

>>15518453
Sorry I'm drunk

>>15518375
>Bored on a Saturday a couple years ago
>Everybody has been talking the shit out of the BRZ/FRS, I ought to go see what it is about
>Go to Serramonte Subaru
>Stand next to BRZ in showroom
>HI ANON, CAN I HELP YOU?
>me: Yeah, I would like to drive one of these
>I will be back in a minute, just hold on
>Sales guy comes back in 2 minutes and waves at me to follow him. New BRZ with all options sitting idling outside. He motions me over to the drivers door
>Get in, make myself comfy
>I know this is going to be somebody else's car so I try not to wail on it too hard but get in a a couple nice 2nd/3rd/4th gear pulls and test out how much throttle I can apply coming out of corners, how it corners with no throttle/brake, what the brakes are like. Rev-match every downshift.
>This_piece_of_shit_is_a_miata_with_a_hard_top.jpg. The chassis/tire combo is literally terrible at squatting and putting down power, just like a NA/NB.
>Would you like to talk finance anon?
>me: (still bored) sure
>Dealership tries to completely screw me on my trade in value, tells me the car is modified when it is stock (this is a subaru dealership not recognizing a stock subaru)
>Much back and forth with me politely threatening to walk multiple times
>Dealer offered me private party value on my trade in, all fees waved on the BRZ, car for list price (they had it marked up 4k) 2% APR on the loan. iirc out the door the loan was going to be for 25k
>me: Yawn, get up and walk for the door "All this haggling has made me loose my interest in buying a car today"
>Anon, what do you need to sign today?
>Shrug
>Manager and sales guy follow me out the door and watch me drive off

>These days I shitpost on /o/ about how entry level the BRZ/FRS is and everybody tells me I have never driven one and have no idea what I am talking about.
>I kek

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>autist goes to dealiershit to test drive new mustang
>normalfag salesman is butthurt that some autist is making more money than him
>acts like a 14 year old girl an takes a fake call
>autist buys a Chevy instead
>smug pepe in a corvette.jpg

>>15518327
>gf

This is why I know this never happened

>>15518483
Fuck I should do this just to test out cars. I'm 20 years old with good credit, the'd let me drive cars right?

>>15518308

call them and book a test drive.

>go to a dealership
>tell them what I'm interested in
>they let me go on a few test drives
>tell them I'll probably pay a majority in cash
>they aren't douchebags about it

I don't even look like I have money I'm just another college student but I've been saving up. Idonno OP, it depends on the car salesman you talk to.

I've met some really bro tier car salesman, and one really awesome saleswoman. Only once did I have a problem with a salesman, it was some fat fuck who I could tell wanted to get me out of the door as fast as possible

>>15518495
Idk I was 27 when I did this (im going bald so I look older) and I was pulling down high 5 figures.

Also, I think crucially, I had the confidence of a man who does not give a single fuck. I had spent tens of thousands of hours on performance driving and the car I was testing was worth about a third of what I was making in a year, all in all it was just for fun. Plus I didn't care what they thought about me afterward. Getting thrown off their property was as enticing of an outcome as having them fall over themselves trying to get me to sign on the line.

When you have much more money than they want, and you already have much better cars than you are testing, the whole thing just becomes a play date.

>>15518495

>I'm basically a teenager
>I have good credit because I haven't had any time to ruin it yet
>They'll let me drive brand new vehicles, right?

Haha. No.

>>15518451
Colorado here as well, for some reason Ford only hires cunts in this state

>>15518495
>>15518534
Where do you live that they won't let you test drive cars? I'm 21, walked into the dealership and they let me test drive a new civic. It's not a 50k car, but still.

>>15518327
+1 I had zero issues getting an MB dealer to let me test drive my E63 which I eventually bought. I was 28 at the time, and look way younger (still carded everywhere I go)

>>15518397
$28,756.84 adjusting for inflation

corvettes used to be budget sports cars or what?

>>15518615

Drink more often so you age faster.

>19
>go to a used car lot and a dodge dealership
>get to test drive any car I ask

don't know what you did wrong op, maybe you're autistic

Once went to a Dodge dealership to check out and test drive a 2015 Challenger RT.
Salesman straight up told me there was zero point in talking to me if I wasn't there to buy.
Then proceeds to say I'm not man enough for the car all the while offering to get me a good deal.

I understood his strategy. Emasculate me so I feel the need to compensate for it by getting an aggressive car. Dude looked fairly experienced too. Can't help but wonder how often salesmen pull this shit with young males and actually succeed.
Couldn't walk out of there fast enough. Didn't even bother looking for another salesman.

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>>15518308

>buying new

>>15518343
Do they ask your age or guess?
I'm better than most drivers I know with fast cars but I look a lot younger than that.

>>15519062
That just seems odd to me. I could understand that tactic if you're trying to sell to some guy in his midlife crisis, but most teenagers feel young and could not give less of a fuck what some old fuck has to think

>>15519609
>I'm better than most drivers I know
Everybody says this

>>15519707
Dodge buying are typically looking to compensate for something, regardless of age.

Probably going to get shit for this, but whatever.

>family owns multiple businesses
>dad has no time to go to dealership to get fucked with
>"hey son, can you go get me a mustang brochure, want to look at all the features and stuff"
>go to Ford, oldest guy comes up
>in an annoying tone "what do you want"
>"just wanted to get a brochure for my dad, he's into the Z28 but I'm trying to steer him to get the GT350"
>"we don't have any brochures for the mustang"
>areyousrs.png
>"the GT350 is also sold out, we don't have any"
>I know, you have them locked in at 5k produced a year only
>"yeah, some shit like that or whatever"
>walk off, guy follows me to see what car I'm driving
>go straight next door, sales guy gladly gives me one for the Camaro, says "I gotcha man, if you need any questions about the ZL1 or Z28, here's my business card"

What the fuck. No, I mean seriously. I understand they have the brochure and "build your own 350" bullshit online, but my 60 year old father is completely computer illiterate.

Why are car salesmen such assholes now?

Kek
>be 18 test drove brand new 2016 370z
>feels good to have nice car

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>>15518308
I know that feel bro.
>>15518327
I also know this feel. I walked by a boxster (vw/mercedes/porche lot) and cast it a wistful look and a guy walked up to me keys in hand.

It really just depends. I was in my office casual work clothes both times.

>>15518646
Things (especially cars and property) used to be a lot, A LOT cheaper 50 years ago. Like in range of 5 to 20 times cheaper for certain things.

Boomers lived in the most prosperous time of all history basically, we got the shit generation.

>>15518387
How old do you look?

every time i go to a car dealer i get lied to by a salesman.
example
i wanted a station wagon at the time, i think i was looking at a mercedes. i asked the sales guy if he could fine me a new one, like a dealer trade. he said no, they do not make them anymore blah blah. basically totally uninterested in a sale, could not be bothered.
i came back 2 weeks later to get parts, he had special ordered (dealer trade) a similar wagon to another customer, and was just doing delivery. i gave him a death stare because i am sure he remembered my conversation.

then last week i went to the volvo dealer to inquire about a v90, i asked if i could put an order in. the salesman did not even get out of his desk. just said no and basically fuck off

>>15518308

Lol me and a friend wanted to drive a new mustang just for the lolz so he put on his most cocky spoiled Persian attitude and we got to drive one no problem..
That same day we test drove a BMW M6 gran coupé and a Tesla S with ludicrous mode.. That was a good day.

Moral of the story, dont be a beta just fake it till you make it.

>>15518483
If you had a sales team that wasn't a bunch if incompetent fools, they would have thrown your ass out much before that.

I went to a dealer my Dad had been at before. Dad tells guy I'm serious about giving a car, he gives us the keys to a car that's already been sold (had the trim I wanted and almost all the options) and let us test drive it without him even being in the car. Made the sales experience much easier.

Next time I buy a Ford though (if I do) it'll be through X-Plan. I didn't get the best possible pricing on the car (X-Plan is below dealer invoice with no room for them to haggle).

>>15518472
>Tfw just moved to colorado from california and I'm already tired of hearing shit about weed.
Dispensaries on every corner sure do bring out the fucking weirdos, also why the fuck does everyone drive like theres still snow on the ground?

>>15521635
You can generally do better than xplan if you take your time and haggle.

>>15518483
See while I don't share it, I understand the desire to waste a bunch of salesman fools' time with stuff like this. But your own time? I could think of so many things that would be more entertaining than leading a bunch of salesmen on for hours straight...

>>15521649
Cause there's dispensaries on every corner you nut

>>15518451
>sw colorado
>2 hours from next dealer
>love for a shit car
Brandon they won't let you test drive because you don't have a job

>go into dealership for to buy cars
>settle on a kia forte because cheap
>computer systems are down so I spend like an hour kicking around the dealership waiting
>test drive two mustangs and a focus rs for fun
>after I've already bought a car

>go to used car lot
>gen 4 3.0R liberty with full trim
>$6.9kAUD
>gets keys out ready to go for test drive
>talking about car, asks when I'm planing on buying it
>"within a week"
>"well you'll be wasting both our time then, it'll be gone by friday" (it's wednesday)
>OK.jpg
>leave after a quick inspection

It's been a month since then, now the ad for that car is $4.6k, thinking of heading in again and offering them $3.5k and then walking when they try to drive it up.

>>15520674
That's what you get for sucking Ford cock

I feel like taking a weekend to test drive some cars but with no plans to buy anything. Would that be a dick move?

>>15518308
>Want to buy new mustang
>Go to dealership

I got the same treatment being a fresh new kid walking into the dealership. But then one salesman asked where I worked. Microsoft as software design engineer. Then the salesman was much better. He was prolly thinking I was stockboy at walmart.

>>15521652
Depends on the area. Dealers in my areas are a bunch of cunts.

If you're willing to go based off what's on the lot and what they want to move - then you get a lot more negotiating power. If you order the car based on the features you want - you're captive and probably can't do better than the X-Plan.

>>15521550
That's because cars back then were simple and easy to make. Do you know the amount of RnD gay goes into cars today? A fuck ton.

>>15521881
yes, why would you purposely waste multiple peoples' time? it is their job to sell cars, just like you have a job to provide for your family

>>15518534
>>I have good credit because I haven't had any time to ruin it yet
I don't think you know how credit works.

>>15521559
Like most faggots probably like a 13-16 year old

>>15518343
Mustangs don't cost $50k europoor

>Looking for a car since the bike cant get me through the cold canadian winters
>see a dealership selling a used 2000 v6 mustang in near perfect condition
>they let me test it immediately & I was able to get it for 3k since nobody drives manual anymore

you just got some poor luck OP

>be me a few years ago
>17 yo covered in mud and donut glaze from two jobs
>lock myself out of shitbox
>walk to stealership and gawk at '96 trans am
>red 350 auto
>salesdude immediately walks over and asks if I want to take it for a drive
>climb in, start it up, and go to put in drive
>notice sticky note saying no test drives, tie rod ends need doing
>cri

>>15521649
>moved to colorado from california and I'm already tired of hearing shit about weed.

your kind is the problem retard

>>15521707
Nah, no you didn't.

>>15518363
>No fuck that place I'm not giving them my money unless they fire him
The point here is that if you talk to a different sales person (or the sales manager) then not only will the initial sales person likely be fired (especially if you buy the car from them) but you have a bit more negotiating room.

Same thing for me but at a Subaru dealer while looking at the new WRX.

>>15520741
How you getting this high? I have like 3 credit cards that I charge with and pay off right away for years now and still i'm mid 700s

>>15523069
Are you carrying balances? What are the limits like? Any late payments?

Your best bet is getting your parents to put you on their cards as authorized users. For most scoring purposes, they're considered equal to lines that you have payment responsibility for. Greatly increases amount of available credit/payment history and average age of account which jumpstarts your score.

>>15523087
I'm 31, little late to ask for mom and dad now. I make 65k a year carry no balance from month to month.

I check Credit Karma and they say having to few accounts open is a bad thing. I have like 5 credit cards. I use 2 of them regularly

>>15518327
>>15518343
>>15518363
>>15518373
>>15518371
>>15518389

Hilarious, some autists think you can't even test drive a car at a dealership. If they turned you down, you came off as a retard.

>>15523094
>I'm 31, little late to ask for mom and dad now. I make 65k a year carry no balance from month to month.
Not really.
>they add you to a credit card they've had for a long time for stellar payment history
>they can give you the card or not, doesn't matter
>within 3 months, card should appear on your credit report, greatly boosting score
This assumes your parents pay the bills for the credit card on time and don't have insane balances. You don't have to charge a cent or even have physical possession of a card.

Amex used to have a neat trick where if, say, I was born in 1990, but my parents had an amex from 1985, it would show the line opened in 1985. And then when you applied for your own Amex, it backdated the "account open" date on credit reports to 1985... made it possible to have an average age of account older than the person who was applying for credit! Sadly they closed that one. But if you have a line that your parents have had open for 10+ years, between the average age of account and payment history it would be very beneficial to be added as an authorized user, regardless of your own age.

>>15523129
3 of my 5 credit cards have been open for 10+ years.


Should I be paying my balance off completely each month? Should I just get a few credit cards willy nilly?

>>15523141
>3 of my 5 credit cards have been open for 10+ years.
Uh, OK. Any auto loans, student loans, home loans? 3 lines being open that long generally should lend itself to a better credit score, unless you have high balances or delinquencies (bankruptcies, charged off accounts for non-payment, etc.)

>Should I be paying my balance off completely each month
Yes, yes, fucking yes. Your credit report shows (98% of accounts) the balance when your statement is issued. They don't know if you're charging shit each month and paying it in full, making a partial payment, or the minimum payment. If you pay in full you avoid interest charges. Just try to occasionally charge your cards some amount (even a pack of gum) so your banks don't close them. (People often "sockdrawer" cards for month that they don't get good rewards on, then occasionally buy something small on them and pay it off to keep them active).

>Should I just get a few credit cards willy nilly?
Your score isn't great to get good terms or better rewards cards, so I need more context first before I make a recommendation. Where are you getting your score from?

>>15523157
>1

5k in student loans that I could pay off but just carry the 60 bucks a month bill. Besides that nothing else

>2
It's what I do, one of my cards is an amazon card with 5% back. So I use it and pay it off each month for that cash back

>3
Credit Karma which is only 2 of the 3 and no FICO score

>>15523167
Your score sounds incredibly low, CreditKarma can be very wrong in either direction. Trying not to be a creep but I get my real FICO score from multiple issuers a month and between them I hit all three bureaus. What credit cards do you have *exactly* and how long have you had them? In my case my CreditKarma scores are about 10-15 points higher than my FICO scores (but past 760 FICO it rarely matters, you get the best possible terms anyways).

>5k in student loans that I could pay off but just carry the 60 bucks a month bill. Besides that nothing else
What's the interest rate here? You may be doing yourself a disservice. Yeah the payment history helps but even when it's closed the account/payment history will stick around for seven years. If your credit lines aren't big it may be hurting you in terms of judging your overall credit and getting unsecured credit.

For context, I got a 0.0% APR loan with a 795 FICO when I was 24. The finance manager ribbed the sales guy on me having both better credit and income than him.

To get better credit earlier, it is kind of a game and it isn't absolutely 100% intuitive.

Go buy it somewhere else, go back and tell the sales manager about the guy that brushed you off.

That dude is going to get shitstormed

t. lot guy

>>15523193
If the sales guy ignores you, send letters to the CEO, President & VP of sales of the car manufacturer, and at least one local news station.

$2 in postage will get people falling all over you to save reputation. Money well spent.

>>15521649
Texans can't drive is the reason, neither can coloradans but the Texas drivers just make it worse

>>15523191
>PFFCU 12 years 5k limit, only use it bi monthly

>Expedia Visa 6 years ish, only use to once a year for vacations

>BoA Card 12 years, hardly use it.

>Amazon Card, 2 years use it all the time

>Capital One card, 10 years, never use it


As far as the student loans go, its 6% and its only 3k. Just checked it and I guess I haven't been keeping track of it.


I don't think I ever paid a bill late in my life. And since I finished school I don't carry a balance.


I really don't understand how credit scores work. I feel like I should have a much better score.


What is a better credit monitoring service? Credit Karma is free but no FICO score.

>>15523266
Are you charging more than 30-50% a month on any of those cards, even if you pay in full each month?

Your first two cards don't give access to your FICO score. Your BoA card might (from TransUnion), depending on the specific card. The Amazon card doesn't, Capone generally doesn't.

>I really don't understand how credit scores work. I feel like I should have a much better score.
It sounds like you should, but paying for a score unless you're auto/loan shopping doesn't seem prudent. Without knowing why your CK FAKO scores are low, I can only guess as to what you should do. Opening another credit account might help (and get you a real score as part of the terms & conditions) but if you have negatives it might be the opposite of what you want.

>>15523316
Yeah, ill look into the free FICO score cards if my BoA card doesn't offer it

>>15518485
Two things.

1. I was curious what the BRZ was like to drive after it has been talked up so much. It it had been good there was a strong chance I would have signed for one.

2. I've always bought my cars outright, so I was curious what sort of finance and trade in terms I could get (good practice). When they started falling over themselves I became curious how far they would go (again good practice).

If I go in to finance a car now, I know exactly how to play it.

>>15518319


>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>correct answer

>>15518363
Don't be such a bitch or life is going to be tougher than it has to be

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>>15518343
>tfw got to test drive new $50k-$75k BMWs and Lexuses from dealers when 22

>>15520623
I guess I should have said that I'm at least as good as most of the people I know with faster cars than mine.

But I'm definitely better than at least some of people who went in and test drove a mustang without trouble.

>>15518308
>get dropped off by a friend at the car dealership
>salesmen sees this and is excited I'll buy on the spot
>he lets me test drive my first car pick alone
>I take it to an independent mechanic
>they run tests on it for a second opinion
>salesman calls me
>"hey... are you... coming back with it soon?"
>"yup, I'll be right there"
>drop it off
>"This beaut isn't going to be here much longer, if you're interested I can drop it $500 but that's it."
>guess from the wheels that it has probably been sitting almost a few months
>"eh... I'll think about it."
>(not really, its a shit deal)
>come back a week later
>tell him I'm not going to want any bullshit and I'm playing fair for us both and I'll take it for 2k less
>tell him they're going to get rid of it anyway without a sale
>he gets flustered
>tells me this is his last sale anyway and he'll work with me
>goes to the boss for like an hour to fuck with my resolve
>comes back
>boss comes outside and agrees to the sale
Like a boss

>>15518308
>>15518343
lel

I test drove a loaded FRS in fucking bright ass yellow at some ungodly 30k asking price without even being questioned and I was only 23. I wasn't even serious about buying it either, I was just seeing if the memes were real (p.s. they are, it's a piece of shit)

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I know this is a tread about Buying cars but heres a good story.

>Be a Toyota Tech
>2016 Prius comes out
>PDI the first 3 for said dealership
>they all sale nearly the same day
>had last one left on this elevated platform display
>some 70+ year old buys it outright
>owner had the keys
>Detailers about to take the car for delivery see the owner get in the Prius
>watch owner DRIVE off 5 foot tall platform
>car gets fucked as it goes over a planter and curb etc.
>owner drives off

2 or 3 porters and sales go after the old man. Dude was senile or something and disappeared.

>2 hours later Rekt Prius comes into service drive
>said he panicked and was super embarrassed
> $12,000+ damage to his new car he just bought

Can't see in picture but front and rear end and undercarriage was fucked.

>interested in a car at a decent local used car place
>drive to place after i think they've closed to check it out
>nobody around
>never even get out of my car
>am well dressed white male in a bmw m3
>salesman, out of nowhere
>is almost sprinting across huge parking lot toward me
>"anything i can help you with sir?"

>>15525182

I had a similar moment:

>Sister is at the dealership buying a new car
>Calls me and asks me to bring some documents she forgot
>Pull into the dealership... in a 93 F150 that's beat-up and rusted...
>...and it's the peak of "Cash for Clunkers"
>Get ambushed by three salesman before I reach the front door
>Watch the salesman smile slide off their faces when I explain that I'm not there to buy and the truck ain't going nowhere

>>15518451
Durango?

>>15518362
Are you saying the BRZ in general is a shit car or the specific BRZ was a lemon?

>>15525125
Why are the tires about 1/3 the height of the car?

>>15525125
Thats amazing.

We had a guy buy a Charger once, wrecked it 3 days after he bought it, and he brought it back and tried to return it claiming we sold it to him that way

>>15521595

Literally this.

>>15518308
really dude? it's all in how you present yourself.
I walked into the Bentley dealership in Bellevue WA dressed in just a polo shirt and jeans and they let me drive one of their cars.

stand by the car that interests you, wait for a salesman to come by, and immediately start talking about the car. start shooting the shit about what's new for that model year. tell them you've been thinking about pulling the trigger on getting a new one, but you havent actually had the chance to drive one yet, etc.

dont look nervous, dont look homeless, be knowledgeable about the car you want

>>15524999
what car was it

also two trips in a row wtf

>Looking to buy near new STi
>Find one a couple of states over
>Call salesman, tell him I'm coming to look on the weekend
>Turn up to dealership on foot and spot car
>Salesman spots me and comes over with keys
>Me: "I could be a while, I'll probably get lost."
>Salesman: "meh."
>Take STi on 45 minute thrash alone, get some lunch.
>Have to use GPS to find my way back to dealership
>An hour later I was driving car home

>>15522059

So the SS costs 55 grand because of R&D?

The production tooling alone is the same as a fucking Impala. The engine is made the same as truck engines.

Yet its 55 grand.

You're retarded.

are you a minority?
My local dealer just handed me the keys to a new s4 to test drive when I was looking to trade in my 328xi and didn't bat an eye. I was also 22 with a babbyface at the time so basically I looked 18

>>15518363
>"No fuck that place I'm not giving them my money unless they fire him"
>being this much of a bitch boy beta nu-male

Kill yourself.

>>15525686
In general they are shit cars. Basically My-First-Beginner-RWD.