>slower than a Miata or ecoboost Mustang >worse handling

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>>15411733

at least its transmission isn't a weak piece of shit like the one in the ND miata

With upgraded internals and shorter gearing the new one is probably going to be faster than the ND too

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>fun
>cheap
>literally set up to do drifting
>doesn't look like a hatchback
>manual
>easily upgradeable

yeah, how could anyone like this?

>>15411920
It's fucking slow and needs a performance FI trim, which will never happen.

>>15411733
this car is a tuners dream, im guessing your just too poor to afford one fox_and_the_grapes.jpg

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>>15411733
I have fun with mine, only other logical option in NEW pricerange is Miata or WRX. Should it be a surprise a Mustang is faster in a straight line?
>only redeeming factor is the fact that it's not FF
because it being light,balanced,and affordable literally doesn't matter, why does a car trigger /o/'s autism so badly?

>>15411929
Doesn't make the previous comment false

>>15411956
Because most of the people here are poorfags who can't afford a new car.

>>15411920
>cheap
This makes no sense, it isn't cheap and Mustangs and Miatas are the same price
>easily upgradaeable
Yeah have fun with that fucking SUbaru engine
Do you know anything about cars? A fucking stock s2000 provides more performance and fun than a modified GT86, probably more reliable too.

>>15411929
no. it doesn't. see, i like a fast car just as much as the next guy, but this one is simply not made to break any track records. sure, it will go faster than the shitbox next to it, but that's missing out on the fucking point

its made to be fun. and it is one of the most fun cars i've ever driven, and i have fucking M5. yes, its not as fast, but if you just want to go fast for this amount of money,look at a souped up megane, or a golf R or some shit

>>15411733
This thing is a budget sports car, it is the Scion iA of sports cars, but it's priced like an actual sports car.
It's just another extension of the FnF shit from the early 2000s, the owners are the same crowd

>>15412004
>it isn't cheap
> Mustangs and Miatas are the same price
you must be retarded

>>15412017
No I just don't have buyers remorse

>>15412013
>This thing is a budget sports car
>it's priced like an actual sports car.
if it costed an excess or 30k you would be right
>>15412025
you don't have a car period

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lsd standard unlike the miata and 1000lbs lighter than the ecoboost.

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>>15411733
Yep. Literally just an fr tc, gutless boyracer slowmobile. They stoplight race everything they can and then turn off when they lose to an accord

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Love how the defenders don't have anything to back up their arguments

Tell me more how the GT86 is a tuner car
Tell me more how FI will completely fix it
Tell me more how YOU will completely fix it without having to replace nearly everything but the chassis

>ok I did it and modded the hell out of it with FI

Congratulations, you put a ton of money and spent a ton of time solving engineering problems to get a car that is still not a good performer compared to things like a stock S2000
>but used cars aren't reliable its not fair
What and your ghetto rigged GT86 you made do things it's not supposed to do is?

Your modified car may be OK on the street but when you use it for the track you won't be happy
>well its not about performance
>its about fun

Oh hey, a true enthusiast. Since you care about cars so much and are evidently poor, why not get an S2000 which offers much more fun, you can even do that tuner think you like.

Face it, this car isn't what you people think it is. It was never designed to be.

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>>15412069
>You shouldn't modify your cars /o/

>>15412063
B-but what about "muh handling, muh feelz"?

>>15412069
its not made to go fast, its made to be fun

is this very difficult or something?

>>15412030
here the ND 2.0 sport (and who would want anything less) is £24,365 on the road. i mean i like miats and it's a great car but at that price who are they fucking kidding

>>15412099
>its not made to go fast, its made to be fun
So is the miata which is a better performer and a funner car.

>>15412110
The miata is a two seat roadster with less weight, what the fuck did you expect?

>>15412099
Well fun is relative, hell some people like trucks and think they are more fun than than any car can be. At which point it makes it no more special than a cheapo Honda, which can be alot cheaper. Hell even an older supra you could through around and have fun.

>>15412110
>the banana is more narrow than the apple

thanks, captain obvious.

>>15412105
Yeah I see miatas as a second car meant for fun. Though we are talking about cars that are meant for fun/sport not to DD. I had a miata and sold it, wasn't as much fun as my aw11 mr2 but was definitely a better vehicle. Now just waiting to buy another vette.

>>15412123
>I want to have fun practically for cheap
Mustang
>I want to have fun with little compromise for cheap on something DDable
Miata

Face it
You bought an S13 NEW .
It's a cheap shitbox that's only advantage is RWD. It's best used when you can buy one for less than 10k. Gut it. Engine swap it. Redesign the suspension, stiffen the chassis.

Stock? ECU flash with a FI set up? Don't you fucking dare pretend it offers anything over anyone else .

>>15412151
>Face it
>You bought an S13 NEW .
You say it like it's a bad thing
> It's best used when you can buy one for less than 10k.
since when are salvaged cars a good thing?

>>15412073

thats all you got out of that?

>>15412161

So I guess you just kind of gave up at this point huh

>>15412161
Salvaged cars a good for those who know enough to build cars from scraps and make them work. And since your asking since when, around when rat rods started coming around.

>>15412170
>Salvaged cars a good for those who know enough to build cars from scraps and make them work.
literally nobody on /o/

>>15412151
>miata

not everyone is a manlet, m8

>b-but the ND had more space
The ND is shit, and also costs considerably more. On top of that, mazda still refuses to ship with a fucking hard top. No thanks.

>>15412161
>buy a GT86
>do skids as soon as the engine is warm
>have the fuel economy of a shitbox

besides, a used 86 is only about 3-5k more expensive than a used S2k, and supras are way more expensive

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>buy NC miata for 15k
>swap your favorite meme engine for 10k
>still cheaper than a toyobaru
>mfw

>>15412178
Hey I have a car for you its called a Mustang or go into the used market

>>15412180
>nowhere did anyone bring up supras
>SKIDS SKIDS SKIDS!
>this way better more reliable car is only 5k cheaper than this piece of shit man come on be fair about this

>>15411733
im convinced that toyobaru owners are all in the 16-23 range and have no fucking clue what they're talking about

I traded my toyobaru in for a gently used 2011 911 Turbo S and I don't regret it for a second, the 911 is way faster

>>15412185
>Mustang
Not as fun.
>go into the used market
I'd rather get something that I know I can depend on

>>15412184
>bought NC miata for £4.5k
>stuck BBR shit on it for £3k
>same power as toyobaru
>100kg lighter than a toyobaru
>roof goes up and down

>>15412176
Fair enough, as long as we can agree that they do have a purpose.

>>15412191

>nowhere did anyone bring up supras
>>15412134

>SKIDS SKIDS SKIDS!
yeah, thats why you buy this, and not a hatchback

>this way better more reliable car is only 5k cheaper than this piece of shit man come on be fair about this

and this makes absolutely no sense

>>15412205
>not as fun
Have you driven one or are you just racing spec sheets here
>depend on
Oh yeah GT86 are just reliable as hell m8

>>15412202
well, thats hardly surprising a top range 911 is faster than a not-very-fast Toyota

>>15412216
>this make no sense
That's called being too fucking stupid to make an argument but still feeling the need to reply.

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>>15411733
Also
>Slowet than an older Mustang V6

>>15412221
yeah, but it's retarded that anyone would pay the price of a new toyobaru when they could get a used 911 turbo way cheaper

>>15412201
I like to believe that those who bought them bought them just for the chassis so they could build a sport/track car with modern conveniences. I like to think that anyways.

>>15412231
What is /o/'s obsession with willow springs

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>>15412201
>>15412013

It is the exact same people

>>15412216
Hey the supra was me, and I meant a 1st or 2nd gen supra. My bad.

>>15412226
no, im not even trying to counter argue, because i dont have a fucking clue what you are implying in the first case

>>15412232
well, if you can get a proper, working 911 turbo for that money, hell yeah. i do have the feeling the turbos in that price bracket are a bit run down though

>>15412242
oh, right. missed that part then

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>>15412238
It's all just spoiled brats who got swallowed up in the hype and think mustangs are icky

>>15412236
It's a well balanced track where a pro driver test cars, it proves just how slow a BRZ is.

>>15412252
that looks better than any mustang, desu senpai.

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>>15412231
>slower than a V6 mustang
>slower than a hyundai
LMAO

>>15412282
not just slower than a v6 mustang
slower than a FIFTH generation mustang

>>15412287
>gets beaten by a highschool girl's fashion accessory
The only thing this piece of shit is good for is plastering it with faggot anime stickers and driving to the hangout at the local 7/11.

>>15412295
>uses faggot hairdresser while driving a GT86
Anon...

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>>15412295
stay triggered cuck

>ITT: buyer's remorse

>>15411733
why do people get so butthurt over other people being happy?

As far as I can see the car did what it was supposed to do: A cheap, fun, well-handling, and reliable entry level sports car.

>>15412348
>reliable
>rattly piece of shit that's falling apart by 60k miles
>cheap
>almost 30k for a """"""""""sports"""""""""" car that makes 200hp (not even to the wheels btw) in 20 fucking 16

>>15412348
WHY DOES EVERYONE USE THIS ARGUMENT
DO YOU THINK MIATAS AND MUSTANGS DONT EXIST
DO YOU THINK USED CARS JUST DONT EXIST

Toyobaru should have had a STI trim, coulda used the 2.0 / 2.5 boxer or even the new I4 turbo. Would be nice to see another coupe turbo on the roads other than the mustang.

>>15412209
>friend bought barely running Triumph TR6 for $800
>bought a M50 for $2k (can't remember exact $) and swapped it himself
>British looks with German reliability, plus it's just cool
>pretty much the original Miata (small, FR, convertible)

>>15412369
>rattly piece of shit that's falling apart by 60k miles
You must have gotten a bad one or something.
>almost 30k for a
It's closer to 20k than 30k and much cheaper used

>>15412379
but maybe people don't want to drive mustangs and miatas for various reasons? Maybe they don't want another used car because they like how the toyo looks, maybe for some people driving is more than just a numbers game.

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>>15412403
>German reliability

>>15412403

I want to know the backwards ass person who didn't want a mustang didn't want a miata but wanted a GT86

>just buy a toyobaru used
How about I buy literally anyother car used

>>15412412
Meant for >>15412392

>>15412243
mine needed a bit of work to get running again, it's a salvage title with 340k miles on the odo

>>15412403
>maybe for some people driving is more than just a numbers game.
And yet whenever whenever Toyobaru owners try to justify it over the ND it's always
> muh hp
> muh top speed
> muh price
> muh number of seats

>>15412412
>>German reliability
vs British? yeah

>>15412418
>How about I buy literally any other car used
You can buy whatever car you want, you still have to face the fact that not everyone is a 20 year old manchild street racer that needs a faster car, and instead there are people out there that buy cars for aesthetic purposes, purposes that are purely subjective. Have a nice day.

>>15412426
Replace "Toyobaru owners" with "kids on 4chan that ride the bus" and I'll agree with you. The reality is, outside this place no one really gives a fuck what you drive.

>>15412438
>aesthetic purposes
we laugh at those people and shit on them whenever we can here until they leave or wise up

>>15412379
Mustang is heavier. Miata looks worse and is less practical.
Pick your poison

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>being this triggered

>>15412451
>looks worse and is less practical.
nice buzzwords

>>15412448
>we

go back to ribbit with your faggot tier 'legion' shit

>>15412438
>not everyone is a 20 year old manchild street racer
He says as he defends a car literally marketed to manchild boyracers in their teens and early 20s
>there are people out there that buy cars for aesthetic purposes
>M-MUH CAR LOOKS BETTER!
When this is your only defense, you know your car is fucking shit.

>>15412451
>I want a practical fun RWD DD
Alright man I got you
It's called a mustang
>mustang is heavier
So we are just racing spec sheets at this point

>>15412469
But I don't want a mustang! I wanna be a super-cool JDM r(i)cer like the boyz in FnF or Takumi! You can't be like TAKUMI with a pigfat AMERICAN car!

>>15412469
No I'm just saying... I don't like any 3 of these cars but they all fit a niche that can be appreciated by all. Although the 86s almost 30k price tag leaves a lot to be desired.
>miata
>pros: ultra fun, lightweight gokart
>cons: slow, gay looking, impractical, pricey, lsd only on top trims

>86
>pros: handling, looks good, slightly more practical than miata, standard lsd, lighter than all besides miata
>cons: pricey, shit engine, ricer audience, slow

>eco or v6 stang
>pros: faster in straights and most tracks besides small tight tracks, best interior, also slightly more practical
>cons: will never be a v8, heavy, better track times but handling still suffers, will never be a v8

>>15412520
Maybe when the STI finally gets an engine update we'll see a update for the 86

>>15412630
I'd totally buy an 86 with an ej.. even fa for gods sake.

>>15412690
The 86 has an FA you fucking idiot. It needs the turbo that the WRX's FA20 has.

>>15412379
The mustang is bordering on 4 thousand pounds and nearly 190 inches long, that's not even a consideration at that size.

I'd probably take the Miata over a BRZ, but the BRZ still has the advantage of a hardtop and rear seats that fold down leading into the trunk for DD practicality.

>>15412053
>supposed to be a new ae86
>ae86 2,100 lbs
>gt86 2,800 lbs
What did they mean by this?

>>15412749

Oh god, a GT86 with the WRX engine? I would buy it in a heartbeat :(

>>15412826
BRZ and FRS/GT86 Already have an unturboed boxer you fucktard

>>15412826
>>15412749
>>15412840
NO
MORE
BOXERS
Also Subaru wanted to give this car the WRX treatment but Toyota said they wanted the NA
Toyota is fucking lazy and know nothing about what made the ae86 great

If instead of a new chassis just used some econobox chassis with modifications to make it RWD and then partnered with yamaha again on an engine people would fucking love this car

As it stands toyobaru is a 86 in name only
its a joke

>>15411733
>comparing anything to a mustang
>mustang

People here in Europe drive fabric seat 4-cylinder mustangs that they paid three times the American price for, and this GT86 is the cuck car? Just about every single RWD Japanese sports car appreciates in price after a certain point. This doesn't seem to be the case with Mustangs.

>>15412846
>hat made the ae86 great
No one would give a shit about the ae86 if it wasn't for dagumi noodleboy anime. The car was basically a shit corolla.

>>15412846
What econobox with some modifications could they have used? A corolla, or rav4? A corolla with the drive wheels swapped would totally be perfect right! I hate when retards try and act as if they know more than every engineer working for a multi billion dollar company

>>15412871
a perfectly balanced 1 ton corrolla

>>15412872
>would be perfect
NO
BUT NEITHER WAS THE AE86
IT WAS A FLOPPY CHASSSIS FUCKING MESS
THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE FUCKING SHOW

I'D RATHER HAVE A GOOD ENGINE THAT TAKES TO BOOST EASILY THEN A SHIT OVER DESIGNED CHASSIS WITH A FUCKING YEE YEE ASS BO SHIT CHUGGA CHUGGA ENGINE THAT'LL BITCH AND MOAN IF YOU TRY TO FORCE INDUCT IT

>>15412902
Calm down kid, and take caps off
The fa20 makes more power with boost than the 4age could ever dream of. Heck it makes more power stock than what a fully built na 4age could while lasting more than 12 hours
Bolt on supercharger kits take the yee yee ass Bo engine to a reliable 300hp

The point of the ae86 was a cheap rwd fun car
Toyobaru is the exact same thing
> bbbut it costs more than one month worth if neet bux! !!

>>15412912
>BOLT ON
>BOLT ON
NIGGER HAVE YOU YOU DONE THAT PROJECT YOURSELF
ITS A PAIN IN THE DICK
TOYOTA BARU DID NOT FUCKING DESIGN IT FOR THAT AND IT FUCKING SHOWS
>4age is the only toyota-yamaha engine
>4age is the best a modern toyota-yamaha pair could do
fucking DIE
You are the perfect person this car is for a fucking moron who cares more about aesthetics than what the fucking car runs on.
Boxers are shit especially when Subaru cant even do what they fucking want with them
>cheap RWD fun car!
MIATAS AND MUSTANGS EXIST
There is NO reason for it to be that much other than the money going into that shitty fucking Fnf chassis they thought up
Whenever you address that fact everyone just screams out poorfag without taking the main point
The Toyobaru is not worth the money especially considering the competitors
It is not the light weight RWD car with some practicality we craved
Fuck you and Fuck everything
I wish mazda made toyobaru, then we'd see some magical fucking 2010s curb weight numbers

>>15412933
> it is not the light weight RWD car with some practicality we craved
And yet that's exactly what it is and all your criticisms are a fucking joke and only serve to out you as a clueless bus riding underage faggot

>>15412949
fuck YOU
FUCK MODERN CARS
YOU ARE CANCER

>>15412951
No you're the cancer, wanting manufacturers to build imaginary god cars with 700hp and a 1000kg curb weight for a price tag of 15k

>>15412956
I'd be happier with a 2200 pound 130 hp car that revs to 8300 than the shit we got
take it from someone who actually fucking knows
The Toyobaru is trash and your "bolt ons" are not what you fucking think they are you bus riding piece of shit

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>>15412281
It really doesn't. I have tons of people looking hard at my mustang. Shit, a guy in a Mazdaspped 3 almost rear ended a guy while he was staring at my car today. No one ever looks twice at the gt86. Boring, bland, small econobox look to it.

>>15413007
you'd be the only one. I think mustangs look horrible.

>>15412993
You'd be happier with 130hp.... lol

>>15413031
>I don't like it so no one does
Not even him but tame the autism

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>>15413031
The new mustang is fucking awesome
throw out everything you use to think a mustang was

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>>15413049
this was the last good looking mustang

>>15413049
way too many shills on this board.

>>15413058
>liking something makes you a shill
>>15413054
christ...

Not really related but does anyone have dyno sheet for a FBO toyobaru, 93/e30/e85. Just wondering how the aftermarket is doing with these.

>>15413058
>someone likes something I don't like
>SHILL!
Shut the fuck up.

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>>15413054

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>he drives a miata

so, just to sum up:

>mustangs
sisterfuckers
>86s
retard weebs
>miatas
literal faggots

good discussion, /o/, i'm reminded again why I stopped coming here in 2011

>>15413127
did you read this thread

>>15413142
yeah I mean he's pretty much correct. These threads are worse than fanboys in /v/ bitching about console exclusives. Get a life, it's just a car.

>>15413127
You forgot that the majority of car culture is cancer m8

>>15413036
>what is power to weight ratio

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I found an FRS for under 20k with about 10,000 miles: should I get it if I'm looking for a fun car to DD?

Keep in mind that I'm coming from an Accord and I don't give a shit about benchracing statistics.

>>15412392
>>15412392
>>British looks with German reliability
So... shit and shit?

>>15413238
test drive it and see if you like it.

>>15413238
I know several people who got them and put new / bigger wheels and upgraded the suspension and are very happy and I know people who hate them, go test drive it, don't expect a drag monster

>>15412819

reinforced chassis, enough safety to give it best in its class

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>>15413054
No fuck your turd, this was the last handsome Mustang.

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>>15413054
>>15413500
You're both wrong. This was the last handsome Mustang.

Its like a smaller Civic Si with RWD. Not enough of an upgrade over my GT-S but if I were looking to purchase a modern car that would be it.

>>15413306
who gives a fuck about safety

>>15412840
>>15412749
Faggot, you can't just turbo the brz and say it is a wrx engine. It's different

>>15415069
how?

>>15412069
Are these quotes for real?

>>15411929
Just want to put it out there that there's a Cosworth kit that gets it up to about 290 HP to the wheels for about 5k. Just get a used one and slap that on.

>>15411733
>opinions

>>15415890
yes

>>15415069
These people honestly think turbo or super charger is just a simple bolt on
These people are fucking retarded

>>15412012
>sure it'll go faster than a shitbox
>this is what toyobaru fags believe
Have fun getting flyby by a minivan

>>15412073
>you should put down another 30k just to get the stock car as fast as a v6 accord
>or else you're not enthusiast
How can one person be so cucked like this

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>>15413007
Why not post a picture of your car then instead of a render? I bet you have plastidip all over your car.

>>15412069
The s2000 is obviously a great car. It was also 35k when it came out, and didn't have to deal with today's strict emission laws. Besides, not everyone wants a 2 seater roadster for their DD.

>>15417888
Is the V6 Accord the true enthusiast's car?

>>15417955
>not everyone wants a 2 seater roadster to dd
Mustang!

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>>15417858
You can literally bolt on an edlebrock SC for the 86 in a couple of hours.

Reliable, CARB legal 86, making 250rwhp

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk4pFiWOMPQ

>>15417972
Subaruwrxfan pls go. If I wanted a 4 cylinder car that weighed more than 3500lbs I would buy an Alpha Camaro. They are faster, even with shitty tires and have a better suspension.

>>15417980
Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies
>>15417995
But why does the Mustang feel better and handle better though

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>>15417980
>thats all you have to doooooooooooooooooooo

>>15417980
>shitty bolt on supercharger
>reliable
LMAO

Regardless, why the fuck would you spend 28k on a car, 6k on an aftermarket FI kit, and all that time modding and tuning it when you can get a Mustang GT for less money while being better than this piece of shit right out of the box? Fuck outta here with you "sikk mawdz", kid.

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>>15418004
>muh feels.

Try saying that when you see the taillights of a base model rental camaro. Sorry you bought into the ecoboost meme.

>>15418030
>its not reliable because of my feels

nice meme, literally any modern performance car has some sort of bolt on supercharger offered by a big manufacturer, you are a dumb nigger

>>15418039
Who gives a fuck? This isnt a Mustang vs Camaro argument If the camaro is really better (and I'll see when I get to test drive it) then I will shill for that instead in these threads. Are you retarded?

This is about the GT86 not being worth it

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>>15418030
You can buy brand new brzs for 23k right now.

Why are you comparing a 3700lbs v8 against a 2775lbs 4 cylinder?

>>15412202
>Porsche is faster than a car that's slower than minivan
And on the other news niggers steal and water is wet

>>15418068
This is a car for the FNF crowd....

>>15418068
>You can buy brand new brzs for 23k right now
Even if that wasn't an outright lie, it still wouldn't be worth it. If it was 20k or below, maybe then it would be worth it since apparently you need a shitload of "muh bolt ons" in order to make it compete with a fucking V6 Accord, let alone something with respectable power.

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>>15418030
Edlebrock makes the supercharger for the lotus evora. I'm pretty sure they do good work.

>>15418058
You honestly think a 4 cylinder mustang is worth the 27k? You could have a 2014 gt for way less, and have a much better car.

>>15418098
The refreshed brz is literally a couple of months from being released. Dealers are liquidating old stock.

This car was never meant to be the fastest in a straight line. Anyone who buys an 86 to make a stoplight racer is an idiot.

>>15413007
>staring at
no they just curious what kind of faggot would buy any mustang but the v8

>>15413127
Correction
>mustang without the v8
women and poor people who don't deserve to drive a sport car
>86
Good taste in cars but bad decision in selecting the best one he can get
>miatas
if you're not 50 year old white people who also owns a convertible Camry then you should kill yourself for even considering this car

>>15418189
>mommy, why does that mustang sound like a focus?

>>15418068
You can get a V6 Mustang for 10k and beat the shit out of BRZ's in both straight lines and curves.

>>15417961
>No manual
>Enthusiast car

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>>15418306
>>No manual
>Honda car

>>15418318
My mistake, i confuses it with the V6 Camry.

>>15417961
>FWD car
Nope.