I want a 2 door car with either awd/rwd a good punch, great

>>15397756
My dick

>>15397756
Scion FRS/Subaru brz

Ford focus rs 35k

>>15397860
*50k

>>15397756
If you drop 2-door you could get an Evo or STi.

>>15397756
Your options are:
Mazda MX-5
Scion FR-S
Toyota 86
Subaru BRZ
Fiat 124 Spyder
Chevrolet Camaro LT V6

Personally, I'd get the Fiat or the Chevy.

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Infiniti G37

alternatively, Nissan 370z

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>>15397916
This is now a 124 Spyder thread.

>>15397756
Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8

>>15397947
>slower and worse handling than the V6 Camaro
gtfo

>>15397952
slower in a straight line than the I4 Camaro. which has 40 HP less.
>yfw you realise the Camaro's ecotec I4 has a superior powerband

>>15397756
fiat 124

>>15397971
http://tribunecontentagency.com/article/comparison-2016-chevrolet-camaro-rs-vs-2016-ford-mustang-ecoboost-turbo-bronies-childish-fun-with-cars-were-supposed-to-hate/
>That was then. This is now. We have before us two turbocharged four-cylinder ponycars, a Mustang and a Camaro, that can nearly keep pace with my teenage dream. The Camaro makes 275 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque. The Mustang: 310 hp and 320 lb-ft. (The Firebird, in case you were wondering, made 305 hp and 335 lb-ft.) The Camaro hits 60 mph in 5.2 seconds and runs a 13.9-second quarter mile at 101.0 mph, and the Mustang, 230 pounds heavier, needs 6.3 seconds for the former and 14.5 seconds for the latter at 98.0 mph. Welcome to the future.

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>>15398012

>>15398031
Not even the same person. Why would someone benchrace a car is faster than call someone else a benchracer? Get your head out of your ass. Even if you owned either car, which you don't, it wouldnt matter because you couldn't come within 10 seconds of any laptime.

>>15398002
>>15398012
>completely ignores price difference
>comparing a base model to a well optioned competitor
btw, the ecoboost is an upgrade over the V6 in the Mustang, while the turbo ecotec is standard n the Camaro. Just as the ecoboost is an extra cost option on the Mustang, the V6 is the same on the Camaro, so the Ecoboost really competes with the Chevy's V6, where the Mustang falls even flatter on its face.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-chevrolet-camaro-v-6-vs-2016-ford-mustang-ecoboost-comparison-test
>The EcoBoost has its work cut out for it against the Camaro’s new direct-injected V-6, which is a harlot of an engine; smooth enough for polite company but nasty when you want it to be. We’ve run a six-cylinder Camaro to 60 mph in as little as 5.1 seconds, but even at 5.5 seconds in this test, the V-6 is probably only about a second slower to that mark than the Camaro SS with its stonking 455-hp 6.2-liter V-8 (when equipped with a manual transmission). And that might be the ultimate measure of the two middle-rung cars we’ve tested here: How often while driving one of them would you regret not having purchased the V-8? The answer is, in the case of the Camaro, not very often. In the Mustang the answer would be always.

>>15398054
>You claimed the 4 cylinder is better, it clearly isn't.
I never said that. I said the 4 cylinder Camaro was faster in a straight line and had a better powerband, which the original article confirmed. Then you went and brought corners into it which was completely irrelevant to the argument. Even the car and driver article criticized the Ecoboost Mustang's powerband and power delivery.

I did not move the goalposts. Stop projecting retard. The Ecoboost Mustang directly competes with the V6 Camaro, while the I4 Camaro competes with the V6 Mustang. wow. what a concept.
Both cars have almost the same base price and the engine upgrades are again almost the same in price, so the ecoboost Mustang will always cost more than the Ecotec Camaro, but will cost the same or similar as the V6 Camaro.

Stop moving goalposts you fucking retard.

>>15398068
This Chevy fangirl is mad af lmao

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>>15398072
>get shown up
>lol u mad
no. You're just retarded.

G37 or the car it failed to beat in any meaningful segment, the 335.

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>>15397756
define newish

I'm thinking Lexus IS, but I forget if it's a 2dr or not. It comes on awd and rwd.

>>15398146
>V6 Camaro
>base model
pick one.

Lotus Elise

>>15397756
Turbo Miata

>>15397756
Regular cab Tacoma

>>15397756
Used 2014 V8 Mustang or Camaro.

>>15397756
911

>>15399308
The Lexus IS is 4 door only. Always has been, unless you get the convertible.

>>15397756
I'd say go for an infiniti or a Nissan, great bang for your buck imo

>>15397756
Mustang ecoboost

>>15398002
Idk what bullshit magazine you pulled this from but ive never heard ecoboosts doing 6 second 0-60

Maybe they were using regular fuel and running on four spare tires lmao

Ecoboosts consistently get low 5 second 0-60 runs

>>15397846
it cant compete

>>15397944
>recommending korean shit
>over glorious EcoBoost
>ever

>>15398146
Why are Mustang fans so delusional? I don't care which car is better, but when you get shown up in an argument you started, you can't just say the GM guy ragequit. He won the argument. The Ecoboost Mustang is shit, has shit power delivery, a shit powerband, and is fucking pigfat, especially next to the Camaro. Remember a few years ago when no one would recommend the Camaro because it was heavier than the Mustang and not much better in corners? Now the Camaro is lighter than the Mustang, faster in a straight line no matter the model, and outhandles the Mustang any day of the week , yet you delusional retards still won't recommend it. Get off your fucking high horse (pun intended) and come back down to Earth. Or alternatively, get your head out of your ass. It's not a hat.
The recently redesigned Camaro is better than the Mustang. Get over it.

>>15400047
meanwhile the Turbo and V6 Camaros (and remember the Ecoboost Mustang competes with the V6 Camaro) get to 60 in low 5 seconds and both do 13 second 1/4 miles.

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>>15397756
Volkswagen Beetle is the only real choice

>210hp
>2.0L turbocharged v6
>optional paddle shifting
>Dat power-to-weight ratio

I believe it's 24k for the turbo engine, add 5k for the highest trim package.

>>15400103
>shitty Golf with a bodykit and stripped of all its practicality

>F W D
>W
>D

>>15400047
That must be taken with a grain of salt because every new test of the Ecoboost Mustang shows they're getting slower.
http://www.motortrend.com/news/ecoboost-mustangs-getting-slower/

>>15400103
>v6
You mean I4.

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>>15397756
Z4 M coupe/roadster
This is your best option

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>>15397756
MK4 supra, but depending on where you live, you might not be able to find one for 30k. they're really, really nice

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>2 door powerful RWD car with good steering and nice electronics
sounds like it's time for a BMW thread

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>>15397756

The forgotten king of 2 door cars.

They have officially fallen under the 25k price tag

>>15397756
Guys can I get an 80s rwd hatch/coupe for under 2.5k?

Want to learn basics of rwd before I get myself an AW11. I would probably an hero if I crashed an AW11

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>>15398258
ayy boi.
I got one of those :3

>>15400176
why not 90?

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>>15400176
cars in that range:
1982-1992 Chevrolet Camaro
1982-1992 Pontiac Firebird
1984-1988 Nissan 200SX (S12 chassis)
Z31 Nissan 300ZX
1979-1993 Ford Mustang
MK3 Toyota Supra
FC Mazda RX-7

Though the best car you can get that will prepare you for an AW11 is the AW11's biggest rival, the Pontiac Fiero. Cornering limits are similar, it handles like a MR car because it is one. just as reliable, more comfy, easier to work on, safer, just as fast, in budget, easier to find. but the big thing that makes a Fiero a better beginner MR than the AW11: It's more forgiving. You benchracers completely underestimate how important this is in an MR car
>but muh laptimes, MUH FEELS
don't matter when you're trying to fucking learn. Having a car that forgives you for making a mistake instead of a razors edge MR2 that will snap oversteer at the slightest provocation is a fucking god-send.
And no. The snap oversteer isn't a meme. It really is a big problem with MR2's and no FR car can prepare you for it, but an Fiero can.

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>>15397756
370z maybe?

They have good steering

>>15400124
E89 s23 / s28 are much nicer looking tho

>>15400289
the first gen Z4 looks better from the rear
it's distinctive, the only thing bangle did that was actually good
and even if the E89 did look better it's certainly not worth losing over a hundred horsepower since you'd have to get a low trim to fit in a $30k price range

>>15400210
Thank you so much!

The reason I asked was specifically because the AW11 is not a beginners rwd.
Ideal would be an S12 but I will have trouble finding one.

I'm going to go look for a Fiero. Again, thanks a lot anon.

>>15397916
This.
Despite the GM shitposting, the new V6 Camaro (especially with the dual mode exhaust) is pretty much the sub-$30k godmasheen

>>15400344
On paper, maybe.
It's absolute dogshit to drive.

>>15400357
The new Camaro is better to drive than a BMW M4.

>>15400357
I've never even driven one, but literally every car reviewer says it's fantastic to drive, the best handling muscle car by far. It uses the ATS-V platform. Also the exhaust sounds amazing for a V6

>>15400068
>(and remember the Ecoboost Mustang competes with the V6 Camaro)
you sure about that? because a v6 camaro costs as much as a mustang GT

it doesnt matter their placement on the model lineup, they compete if theyre priced similarly, you fucking redneck dunce

>>15400428
According to Chevrolet's own website, the V6 starts at $28,190.
There's a 1LT and a 2LT, then a 1SS and a 2SS. Most of the V6 comparisons use a 2LT car, but the V6 ption is $1500 on the base 1LT

>>15400462
And according to fords website the focus rs is 35k

Youll be damned to find a v6 under 32k at any dealer. If you do let me know, but trust me, ive looked

>>15400488
>And according to fords website the focus rs is 35k
find me one for under 50k.

>>15400496
Thats exactly my point you dense cunt

>>15397756
>Nobody's told him about the 2G-DSM yet.

Look for a 95-98 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX or Eagle Talon Tsi AWD

>Why?

Legendary 4G-63 Motor
200HP/210ft/lbs TQ
Turbo'd from the get go
AWD Coupe
Huge aftermarket
Cheap
Can go ridiculously fast for the dollar.

You could get one already tuned to 400whp for about 10 grand, leaving you with gas money for years to come.

>Only disadvantage
Older electronics

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>>15400504
>>Only disadvantage
>Older electronics

>>15400534
>implying i'm not a used car salesman with an overstock of DSMs that lives near OP

Mitsubishi revised that in the 98 and 99 models.

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>>15398258
>Search 2.5rs or 2.5 rs on CL
>Check only manual and clean title
>Filter "swap" "clone" "mechanic special" and "project"
>0 (zero) results

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Bmw 228i is a fun one

>>15400342
Z31 300zx are great cars. But make sure you get a turbo 5spd

>>15400646
>Mechanic's Special

God I hate that fucking term

>hurr fucking durr we broke it and it was a shitbox in the first place, better sell it for 50% more than its worth and market it towards those who arent afraid to fix it but won' fucking buy it in the first place

>>15400690
>'90s Nissan electronics
Don't do that to the poor man.

>>15397892
>rumors and lies

>>15400140
My biggest concern is people wanting to race you everytime and being disappointed when the engine doesn't output >600hp because their brain is full of 2fast2furious shit. If it wasn't for the movie I could even settle with the 2jz n/a which are common around here.

>>15400712
80's nissan its a Z31

based digi dash

>>15400748
>Implying the Digi dash will even fucking work
Don't do this to the poor man.

>mfw reading this thread, loving 2 door coupes and shit but being too tall for almost all of them

hold me /o/

>>15400764
Go get a basketball scholarship instead.

>>15400764
Buy a Miata
Or a Lexus SC

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>>15400764
>mfw reading this thread, loving 2 door coupes and being a sub-6 ft manlet

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>ctrl+f "porsche"
>no results
Come the fuck on.

>>15400781
>newish under 30k

>>15400883
That generation Cayman (S) can be found under 30k pretty easily.

>>15400365
It's not so much the handling that's in question, it's the overall driver experience. The interior is gaudy as fuck and the visibility is nonexistent.

>>15401561
Everyone complains about visibility and the interior but every reviewer and journalist is quick to mention the back up cameras. Plus, if you're a halfway decent driver you should be fine. I've driven my GTI with a dresser and other crap in the rear, making the rear view mirror useless but I was fine with just using my side mirrors. It doesn't make the car that much harder to drive and I'd let OP test drive the car before he decides on the interior being so shitty he can't even enjoy a good drivers car.

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>>15401643
>good drivers car
It isn't though especially at its price point.

>>15401561
Yeah it really is a cave in there. But the interior is much better than the Mustang, despite being kind of ridiculous looking

>>15401655
Why isn't it? Give an argument

>>15401912
It's far too expensive.

>>15401691
Most of o could give a fuck about interiors. Its all about speed and power.

>>15401922
It isn't and the price doesn't affect how well it handles or feels to drive

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>>15401972
It actually is, it costs almost as much as a Mustang GT. There's no reason to buy one over a GT.

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>>15397756
this or a c6

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>>15401986
New GTs cost around 29K?

>>15397756
370z touring
/thread

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>>15402046
They sure don't cost that much where I live. No wonder camaro sales are down 40%.

C5 corvette with coilovers.

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>>15402076
Oh, I forgot that the camaro V6 auto is significantly more expensive than the auto mustang. You honestly have to be an idiot to buy anything other than the V8 camaro.

>>15400502
except your point was shit. All the V6's you're finding are 2LT's at list price, which is close to the price of the Mustang GT. Dealers only stocking a more heavily optioned version and listing it at MSRP is a totally different thing than dealers hiking the price up of a special performance model

>>15397925
>>15400211
>>15402049
>>15399954
the only correct answers

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>>15400764
>yfw I'm a 5'7 manlet
I love being short. I fit in all the tiniest sports cars. Lotus Elise? No problem.
>lanklets on suicide watch.
Here's some porn you'll never fit in.

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>>15402140
Stay mad, retard. The fact of the matter is the Camaro costs more all across the lineup for performance that isn't massively different on the street. The reason why the Mustang sells at a 2:1 ratio compared to the Camaro is its cheaper. Not to mention the 2017 Camaro looks like a shitty face-lift instead of a new car. In the real world and on paper you pick up a Mustang for a lower price than the Camaro. GM fucked up on the new Camaro. They haven't beaten Ford in ponycar sales in nearly 2 years and Camaro sales are down 40% and continuously dropping. Stay. Mad.

>>15402076
>>15402102
Jesus where are you? I'm in Texas and prices for both cars aren't that expensive although the mustang is pricier on average

>>15402231
Not the guy you're raging at, and I'll agree the Mustang is cheaper at every trim level. But that's because the Camaro handles so much better and has a nicer interior. Are we forgetting that the Camaro can be compared to a fucking $70k BMW M4? The Mustang is the best price/performance in a straight line, but that's about it. A Camaro will win on the track every time.

>>15402269
>nice interior
It really doesn't. It looks disgusting.
>the camaro can be compared to an M4
It's still slower regardless.

>>15402281
>>nice interior
>It really doesn't. It looks disgusting.
It's pretty gaudy looking but it's much nicer than what's in the mustang

>>the camaro can be compared to an M4
>It's still slower regardless.
Holy fuck you're retarded. If the Camaro being slower than the (way more expensive) M4 means the M4 is better, doesn't that mean that the (slightly more expensive) Camaro is better than the Mustang? It is faster around the track after all.

>>15402296
>interior is much nicer than the mustang
It may have slightly better materials but it still looks horrible, has less interior space and less visibility. Not to mention it practically has no trunk.

>does that mean the camaro is better
No, not really. The BMW is high quality for the price, the camaro isn't.

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>>15400630
>Mitsubishi revised that in the 98 and 99 models.
and yet 99% of the DSM's you'll find are 95-97 models.

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>>15397846
nothing is, but this is /o/... land of the rwd meme

>>15400504
400whp for 10 grand? are you retard? more like 3500-4000
10 grand will net you a full caged 700-800whp race car 2g dsm where I'm from (midwest)

>>15402160
6"8' lanklet reporting in. I'll fit in but I'll look like pic related.
All coupe I'd comfortably fit in are heavy as fuck like the mercs or the lexus sc

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>>15403939
forgot the pic, goddamnit

>>15402153
Nissan gang. Got a Datsun 240z myself

>>15397756
Brand new 2wd toyota hilux single cab chassis, then turbo the 2.7 petrol engine. You'll have change from 30k and ticks every box

But you'll probably die, at least you'll have a smile on your face

Buy eagle talon tsi for 3k
spend 27k on new transmissions

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>>15397756
Get a Subaru brz and you could do autocross and be mildly successful

>>15405028
And enjoy spending time with other 18 year old kids

>>15402296
>The BMW is high quality for the price
lolno. It's pretty clean looking, but for $70k it's fucking garbage. Cloth seats and no backup camera. A $25k mazda6 has a nicer interior

>>15401996
What is picture?

>>15397756
Used FRS/BRZ with a turbo.

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>>15405344
How did you know I was into twinks? :^)

>>15408233
Aren't turbo kits super difficult to install and the boxer engine can't handle boost very well in the first place?

>>15411669
>subaru outback 2.5l xt boxer comes with a turbo

BMW M3

BRZ / F20 / F22 ? Not sure how expensive BMWs are in the states.

Get a GTI and tune it.

310hp

RWD is a meme

>>15412139
slow piece of shit...i can smoke the fuck out of this in my 1994 EG hatch with a couple of simple mods:

- 10 point cage with Parachute
- 3 piece discontinued JoJo frontend
- spec-R full drag suspension
- Fuel cell with -8 lines from tank to motor
- 1 044 bosch pump
- 1200 rc injectors
- golden eagle sleeved block
- cp 10:1 pistons
- Eagle rods
- arp headstuds
- oem h22 headgasket
- Balance shaft delete
- competition clutch twin disc
- Port and polished head
- skunk2 valve springs and retainers
- Str cam gears
- crower stage 1 cams
- aluminium radiator with slim fan
- gsr transmission with itr lsd.
- qsd h2k intake manifold adapter
- k20 rbc manifold
- qsd throttle body spacer
- blox 70mm throttle body
- 4bar omni map sensor
- 6al msd with coil and cap. 3 step launch control
- hks bov
- Garret 102mm turbocharger.
- Custom t4 front facing turbo manifold with 44mm flange
- 44mm tial wastegate
- Custom water to air intercooler set up
- aem eugo wideband w/ gauge
- tuned on chipped p28
- 13 inch volks drag rims
- 2 15 inch volks rear rims
- arp extended wheel studs
- si cluster
- 150 shots of nitrous

im making 348 horsepower to the FRONT WHEELS because thats the only place the power should ever be.

>>15412156
>simple mods

>the GTI gets 310hp in 15 minutes of sitting around and 380hp with an upgraded turbo

a stage 2 GTI would make your EG hatch shit itself

>>15411808
Not boxer engines in general but the exact engine the toybaru twins share I mean

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>>15412156

How much, $100,000?

>>15411669
You could get a bolt-on supercharger and still get decent power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxPptepNZjk
If this kid could do it, so can you.

>>15397756
daaaaaaaaaa

>>15412167
>>15412182
Hook, line and sinker.