Hey /o/, I wanna get a "sporty" light car, is there

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2005/2006 Corolla XRS

>>15308885
>I wanna get a "sporty" light car
>hatchback
Please stop contributing to this meme

>>15308900
Fuck off ameritard.

Just get a RSX Type S, same thing but better in everyway. Bonus is you don't own a Civic.

>>15308899
>toyota
>sporty

>>15308940

I don't like them, that's why im looking at the ep3 instead of this. Im also looking at civic si 2006 and upward

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>>15308885
They're pretty fun, well rounded cars.

>>15308885
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>>15308972
fuck off with your dirty 9th gen

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>>15308988

>>15308885
not your blog

>>15308972
>he bought the worst year civic

>>15309004
fuq u my shit is clean

For 9k you could easily buy a turbo/super charged ep3, or even k20a2/z1 swapped one

>>15309031
>he judges how good a car is by its stock sway bars

>>15309031
>he bought the best looking civic
ftfy

>>15309042

I'm not buying anything charged/swapped, i don't wanna buy a lemon.

>>15308982

They are double the price thought

>>15308885
Ignoring all the baitposting in this thread, you could do worse than an EP3 Civic, I had a friend in college with one and while he riced the fuck out of it, it was still pretty fun car to drive around in with minimal mods.

You could probably do better than 9k for it with that kind of milage, but if it's been looked after it's probably going to last a couple hundred thousand more

>>15309106

It's not miles thought, that's why its interesting, it's not stock either, there is a stock one 2k lower but it's much less nice.

>>15309167
Just remember mods don't always add value, sometimes they should be subtracting it.

>>15309187

DC Sports full Race header
Magnaflow full Catback Exhaust
Magnaflow Muffler
Injen Cold Air Intake SP1576
Injen Hyderoshield Pre-Filter

Suspension:

RSX Type S A-Spec 5 Lugs conversion
RSX Type S A-Spec Full Suspension kit
RSX Type S A-Spec Front Control Arms
JDM DC5 ITR Axleshafts
JDM DC5 ITR Front sub frame brace
JDM DC5 ITR rear strut bar gussets
Progress Front 27MM Sway bar
Progress Rear 24MM Sway bar 2 hole adjustment
Progress Rear Brace Assembly
Hotchkis Adjustable Front End links
Hotchkis Adjustable Rear End links
RSX TYPE S A-Spec Tie Rod ends
Energy Suspension complete polyurethane bushing kit, every single bushing has been changed
Ingalls front & rear camber arms

Brakes:

RSX Type S A-Spec Front Calipers (New)
RSX Type S A-Spec Front pads and rotors (New)
RSX Type S A-Spec Rear Calipers (New)
RSX Type S A-Spec Rear Pads and Rotors (New)
RSX Type S A-Spec brake master cylinder
RSX Type S A-Spec proportioning valve
RSX Type S A-Spec brake booster
Russell SS front and rear brake lines (New)

WHEELS & TIRES:

JDM EP3 Type R Wheels
JDM EP3 Type R Center Caps (New)
Hankook Ventus V12 Evo 225/40R17 Performance Tires (New)

EXTERIOR:

HFP EP3 Front Bumper and Lip
HFP EP3 Rear bumper and Lip
HFP Side skirts
HFP Spoiler
JDM EP3 Type R Projector Headlight (HID)
JDM EP3 Type R Tail lights (not installed)
JDM EP3 Type R Headlight Level Adjustment Switch
JDM DC5 ITR Side markers
JDM EP3 Type R Front and rear red "H" badges
PasswordJDM Red Tow hook front and rear (Front not installed)

INTERIOR:

JDM Euro R RECARO Premium seats (same as EP3 Type seats)
JDM EP3 Type R Recaro Rails
JDM EP3 LHD red & black Floor mats
JDM EP3 Type R center console
JDM EP3 Type R shift boot
JDM EP3 Spoon shift knob
JDM EP3 Key Fob (Key is cut and programed)
HFP Carbon fiber Dash kit

I think it isn't so bad. Also this is why i'm also looking for the stock one at 7,5k

>>15309248
>doesn't have the JDM cigarette lighter
>doesn't have the JDM cupholder
>doesn't have the JDM ashtray
Fucking trash.

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>>15309259

ikr, but look at the stock one, kinda less interesting isn't it?

>>15308953
It's not fast but it's what I would call sporty.
https://youtu.be/1qDSA0PnNck

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>>15308956
>ep3 over dc5
Then all hope is lost Anon.

>>15308885
>better alternative than the ep3 civic
Not taking BBC up your boipussy

>>15308885
>Honda

$7500 is a fucking ripoff for a EP3 Si unless it's pretty much a full CTR conversion.

You could find a 80-100k mile 06-11 Civic Si that's a all around better car. Alternatively, Cobalt/HURR SS Turbos. Maybe a WRX if you find one that's somehow still stock after 10-15 years.

>>15309526

Well it is the canadian market, so it sucked for everything. Also i wont be touching an wrx with anything else than a 20 foot long pole. Might as well keep my is300

>>15309325
Ep3 has a better more rigid chassis, ep3 type Rs are faster than dc5rs

>>15309771
Import a Type R Honda then or just come to terms that you won't find anything decent within your budget and should save a couple thousand more.

2008.5+ TSI MKV GTIs are pretty decent too. Look at those

Get an insurance quote on any Civic you look at. Most cars will be cheaper to insure, so you'll have extra money for a more expensive car, or mods. Any non-EP3 Si will also require premium, so factor that into your budget too.

>>15308885
What's your budget? Will it just be a daily? How important is safety to you? Do you drive in snow? Do you ever have passengers?

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I had an 2004 EP3 for awhile.

Great car: Great on gas, looks nice, very practical, pretty good aftermarket support.

Only downside is the K20A3. It is quite possibly the worst K-series motor Honda offers. If you can find a swapped car that was done right, jump on it. Even swapping the A2 head (don't forget the oil-pump), and a K-pro will make the car great. Check out an CR-V K24A1 block (I believe those are the ones with the oil squirters).

Also, one thing you absolutely must address first, before all other mods. Shifting bushings. The placement of the shifter is pretty neat, but the bushings in there make 1-2 shifts horrible. Get solid aluminum bushings to replace the rubber, and enjoy much better shifting.

After that, get a CTR or Mugen spoiler. I don't know why they gave that spoiler to the US market, it looks absolutely retarded.


Great car otherwise, just needs shifter bushings and a spoiler.

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>>15308885
Search your heart. You know it to be true.

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RSX Type-S

>>15308885
Yeah, the EM1 Si

But if I had to get an EP3 I would take some serious consideration into what >>15310007 was saying about the head swap considering it would be the cheapest route to go to get more power, or go K24A2 Bottom with a K20A2 head and some bolt on and get ~300whp

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MR2 spyder

2195lbs, like 140hp stock. if youve ever driven a midengine car I recommend going on a test drive. awesome chassis. theyre fairly cheap too

pic mostly unrelated

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Celica GT-S, or >>15308899 (checked). Cheaper, so you can spring for the TRD supercharger right away. Be faster than most EP3s out there, plus you have a 6-speed.

>>15308885
2007+ Sentra SE-R Spec V. Same power as a contemporary Civic Si, but usually much cheaper. LSD, 6sp, red seatbelts to pull in mad pussy, etc.

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>>15310143
just looked up your ep3, 2600-2700lbs 160hp.

mr2 spyder is looking mighty fine.

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>>15310143
I want an mr2 with a 2zz swap as my next car.

>>15310143
>>15310199
>>15310204

except the mr2 is inferior when you actually drive it

>>15310204
>wanting a toyota engine
the only true swap is a k20/k24 swap

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>>15310204
im in the same boat, last few days iv been researching the 1zz and 2zz, specifically the vvtLi 2zz head is impressive as fuck.

the 2zz seems to have a lot of oil pump issues, people are fixing that by making a hybrid 1zzblock 2zz head.

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>>15310211
>>15310228
the honda shills are mad we arnt talking about their over hyped decent econo boxes. pic related

if for no other reason op, leave the honda scene and go ENJOY CARS.

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>>15310228
The 2zz swap is a simple drop in.
>>15310232
I haven't had any issues with my 2zz.

Just get a BRZ/FRS and be done with it.

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>>15310274
>>15310253
and yet the number one swap for a MRS is still k20

>>15310292
Except it's not, for the very reason that's the 2zz is the easiest way to add power to an mr2.

>>15308885
Better than an ep3 civic?
An eg civic....
>or miata ya hairdresser

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>>15310274
That wasnt meant towards stock engines, and this is 100% forum and wiki knowledge. supposedly they destroy the fuck out of oil pumps often when tuned up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2zzge_oil_pump_lobes.jpg

link to wiki image of the pump

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>>15310292
I agree the current fastest mr2 spyder has a k series swap. Op is looking for a DD with decent power to weight. not a shill that goes fast at the cost of shill shill shill, go fag up a miata thread they're more your level.

OP Get a VW ghia, 1800lbs NO POWER but fun still

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>>15310317
For track use I would replace the oil pan and the oil pump with aftermarket parts.

>>15310331
He could get an sw20 with a 3sgte
Just built one of those motors for a celica, its a goddamn monster of a 2.0l
Then again maybe he should stay fwd.

>>15310333
If I could i would totally dry sump it for sure, I would like to on my track 302, would make me feel alot safer.

>>15310342
3sge beams was amazing, never got to play with a 3sgte but im sure its fun. very tested and proven motor

Another thought, idk what they go for but. I recently rebuilt the turbo on a friends mazda speed 3, fucking fantastic car. mild mods (theyre not cheap) and you can get 350+ wheel hp. and one guy has done 11.4 on mickey thompsons with a stock engine and turbo, just bolt on mods and tune.

>>15308900
t.someone who has never driven an ep3

>>15310305
Toyota engines are shit. Everyone realizes this that's why the kswap them. Hell even miatas kswap

Since we're talking about MR2s here, any of you know anything about making an AW11 fast? Not stupid fast just low 13s in the 1/4mi and fitted with sticky tires and stiff adjustable suspension fast. I am specifically interested in whether the transmission and axles can handle the ~250whp that would be necessary to get to that point.

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>>15310373
3sgte guy here
I used to work for mazda, the speed3 is a fun car but the maintenance is not worth in my opinion, they are also fairly heavy for their class of vehicle and things break trying to make 350+
Also understeer pigs

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>>15309999
That's a big get.

>for youuuu

>>15310383
Miatas also SR20DET swap. And N54 swap. And...

>>15310389
Idk about the aw11 trans, i know for sure the 3s trans is bulletproof
Honestly you dont need more than 210ish in an mr2
Power isnt an excuse for poor driving

>>15310389
It would probably be very expensive.

>>15310395
Under-steer and torque steer were real on the test drives yeah lol.

>>15310389
If you have a 4age, the sky is the limit they can make great power but your gonna put a ton into building it. I would look into swapping a newer motor personally. but if you like the 4age (no reason not to) I would look at turbo kits and head work.

>>15310415
Why is that?

>>15310416
>If you have a 4age, the sky is the limit they can make great power but your gonna put a ton into building it.
I don't think so. It can make that kind of power with a small turbo and upgraded internals, no big deal. I do my own fab work and tuning so I wouldn't need to spend twice as much as necessary by buying a turbo kit. Head work would probably be the most expensive bit.

>>15310389
Definitely a 20V swap and then turbo it, I've seen a lot of blacktop builds but a silvertop is only
>5hp less
>revs a slight bit lower
>has stronger con-rods
>has bigger combustion chambers
>can get port & polish unlike blacktop heads
>is cheaper
The trans will mount in an AW11, and it is strong enough for the job

>>15310453
Doesn't look like that's a very hard swap after a quick look at google results. I'll read more about it. Honestly 250whp is the max I'd be looking for here, as long as I can get into the low 13s in the 1/4 mile that's plenty fast for my tastes, and with a 2,400lb car that won't take much power, I already have my 2,600lb car in the 12s with less than 300whp.

>>15310211
Sounds like you've never driven one

>>15310530
I miss being in the 12's now im stuck in 15+
2004 gti
>forge motorsports piping + frontmount
>modified billy boat 3" turboback
>street tuned by me
>made 350 to the wheels at 32 psi
>stock internals ,ko3 turbo
>12.3 at 110mph
also this car was an inch or so off the ground, broke my oilpan countless times and ate my fenders up 2wice

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>>15308885
that's from Quebec OP?
I just saw the same one on kijiji.
from laval

>>15310550
Or he doesnt know how to drive fast.
The mr2 is a weapon of mass hurt feelings in the right hands

>>15310565
Yes it is.

>>15308899
The high redline is all it has going for it, it's still a fucking Corolla

>>15310762
And?

>>15310834
An economy various that makes weed waker noises isn't fun, put that engine in an MR2 Spyder and now you're talking

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>>15310850
Meh, it's fun for me.

>>15310568
>>15310550
sounds like you've never driven one

>>15310559
>350whp
>3,000lbs
>12.3 @110
kek
>so low it broke the oil pan and fenders
oh that's why, stancefag.

>>15308899
Is the Matrix XRS any good either? Same 2zz right?

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>>15310850
>arguing over which weed wacker engine is better
Why not just buy a Fiero and stuff it full of V8?

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>>15312347
Because flat 6 master race

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>>15312352
V8 is the only true master race

>>15312347
Because putting a V8 in a Fiero is pointless when you can swap a Ecotec turbo for the same price or cheaper

>>15312358
>his engine doesn't have perfect harmonic balance

>>15312347
Because I want small and light with good handling not necessarily what's fastest in a straight line.

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>>15312358
>Northstar

>>15312377
then explain why people are swapping 3S-GTE's OUT of MR2's and swapping in 2GR-FE's?
>yfw a SW20 MR2 with the 2GR V6 is lighter than the 3S-GTE powered original

>>15312388
I am not speaking for other people but for myself, you mouthbreather.

>>15312393
>reducing weight in the back of a rear heavy car won't make it handle better

>>15312396
Are you illiterate or trying to goad me?

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>>15312347
>"why not just get something I would get instead?"
because you have shit taste and no experience with the cars you are trying to push onto OP. So kindly fuck off with your shitposting

>>15312377
OP get the EP3, it's a good choice. I drive one and they're great cars. Shift knob placement is cool too

>>15312388
>makes claim
>"explain THIS to me anon?"
>what is burden of proof
idiot

>>15312347
>yfw there's a Fiero near me for sale with a 350 V8 crate engine already swapped in.
http://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/5605107297.html

>>15312393
This guy gets it

People here are idiots

>>15312399
>OP get the EP3, it's a good choice. I drive one and they're great cars. Shift knob placement is cool too
I'm not the OP, sorry for any confusion, I'm the anon that asked about making an AW11 reasonably quick last night.

>>15312418
Get the Silvertop brah

>>15309805
We aren't comparing Type Rs because OP lives in Cucknadia. RSX Type S is vastly superior to the shit Civic Si.

>>15308885
Personally I'd get a beaten miata for a grand or two and run it to its grave.

>>15312399
>you have shit taste
Says the guy recommending a shitty Honda hatchback

>>15313039
>I ride the bus: the post

>>15312481
And all it takes is a k20a2 and a bigger rear sway bar and you instantly have a better car than the type s

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Do it OP.

The American Si is still plenty of fun in hill/mountain country, so a good one would probably be a god machine for what it is. The gauge cluster and dash shifter are top tier too.

>>15312320
I have one, the motor is a 2zz but from my experiences, I'm just not having it. They can handle once you put tires and some suspension but the motor is lethargic below lift. Also with shifts going from 1-2 and 2-3, you're falling out of lift so you'd have to wait a second for the motor to come back into lift. Also consider the fact that if you mis-shift and over rev the motor, say adios to either the oil pump gear or something in your valve train. Getting rid of this and going back to a mazda 2 instead

The MR2 is just not a good tuning basis
It's like the Miata of MR realm
You get it to introduce you to a different drivetrain (FR,MR) but you dont fucking stick with it if you want to get meaningful performance

>>15310274
You are lucky as hell then. Mine decided it wasn't having it so its decided to start floating valves when in lift.

>>15313247
So dump money into the Civic to make it better when similar money dumped in the RSX would make it outperform said modified Civic?

>>15308885
We're talking an american market ep3 and not a genuine japan market ep3 right?
Comparing the 2 stock to stock is literally comparing chocolate to dog shit.
The motor in the american one is garbage and so is the suspension. I'm strictly speaking in stock form since we all know how much of a bag of worms is opened up when you start throwing money at mods. This also comes from driving experience since I drove the american one and a japanese one overseas. Night and day difference

>>15313468
The EP3 is a better chassis dude

>>15310383
2zz is a yamaha engine...

>>15313446
>I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about: the post

>>15313468
maybe some people want a hatchback and use-able back seats????

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>>15313446
>miata and mr2 are not good tuning platforms

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>>15308956
The base RSX is basically the EP3 with a better-looking front end, uglier and less practical rear, and hydraulically-assisted rather than electrically-assisted steering. More feel, therefore better driver's car.

But what you really want is a Miata.

>>15313743
No one wants a Miata except for fags like yourself

>>15313446
If the miata/mr2 are such a poor tuning basis, why is it that the miata has its own racing series (mx-5 cup, spec miata) that is very well kicking and alive?
You should go back and maybe I dunno, brush up on what you know before you start spouting nonsense

>>15313659
Then they should probably look at getting something good like a Mazdaspeed 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lOlO67dC0M

>>15314107
hey as long as we're talking FWD

yes

>>15313446
You know SW20s go from c class stock to a class street prepared right

>>15313743
OP here,

clean RSX doesn't exist anymore in my area, hence why i am looking at ep3. The stock one i was looking at just droped to 7k, which i'm pretty sure i can get for even less. The other one praticly has the RSX types suspension