>be American >I'm a car enthusiast >going for

You'd be delusional not to swap in an LS.
Or some faggot hipster.

Just buy an s2000

>>15247845
Boring as fuck, sounds like shit, old hat technology from the 60s, super clunky with high displacement, totally different from a modern German V8

>>15247828
>I wonder what it will sound like
Pure awesome is what

>>15247828
>wonder wat they sound like
great!

they quietly burble like a pot of gently boiling nip tears :D

>>15247850
>talking about motors until this faggot said >Just buy an s2000

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>>15247845
Not OP but I can see where he's coming from. An LS swap no longer impresses me because everyone's done it.

Now Northstar swaps... Those always get my attention.
Pic related.

>>15247857
You forgot the king of hp/lb and packaging.

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>>15247877
>post yfw GM has NEVER made a naturally aspirated production V8 more powerful than the 5.2L Voodoo engine in the GT350

>>15247883
>yfw no one cares

I want to raise my subaru wagon and put a euro diesel engine swap once my flat 4 engine gives out.

>>15247889
>a euro diesel engine
>willingly cucking yourself

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>>15247886
>literally this assmad
GM BTFO!!!

>>15247902
Not assmad. Just don't care. They're both fantastic engines.

>>15247877
> atom 500 dohc v8
> 3l
> 298lb
> 500HP

> ls7 pushrod v8
>7l
> 498lb
> 505hp

Dohc> ohv

>>15247828
>cheap, reliable power
>support for swapping it into just about anything

There are some shit swaps (LSx into BNR32, Supra RZ, FD RX-7, etc.) but it's a solid powerplant for a lifeless shell in need of a new engine.

>>15247873
You know those piles are glued together literally right

>>15247900
Europe doesn't have regulations on diesels like we do in America, I'd be cucking myself putting a gimped American engine in my car.

>>15247828
>implying you can afford an engine swap
>implying anyone here has the money or skill to perform an engine swap

>>15247907
Difference is
3ltr v8 500 hp on kill

7 ltr v8 505 hp massively undertuned

>>15247916
>he doesn't have $500 and an afternoon

>>15247912
yes but no one ever swaps Northstars into anything so it's always more attention grabbing than an LS or a SBC

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Simply swap something else in then. like a Coyote or (not sure how this would workout) Hellcat engine or any other variation of the Hemi or even a Viper engine or maybe the Atlas engine which i heard was kinda underrated. what about the LT5 out an C4 Corvette? (if that's even possible) or maybe try to import a aussie barra.

Either way i don't know why people bitch and moan about them being unoriginal and when people argue why they are popular in the first place its
>hurr sound like shit no revs not as good as (insert engine here)

Then simply go buy that engine. if the LS is so insignificant and shitty just ignore it and it will go away. its very existence shouldn't bring you ass-pain. (not necessarily OP, but people who just complain about this engine as being the anti-christ) just as annoying as the "500 and an>>15247922 oh fuck.

>>15247828
>bitching about a cheap reliable plentiful readily available engine with lots of parts and aftermarket

what are you a faggot? I don't see you bitching about 2Jzs and RBs

>>15247919
>massively undertuned
Yes, because pushrods are pieces of inefficient shit that have to be limited in power otherwise they won't pass emissions. ;^)

>>15247972
Triggered much. The reason it's undertuned is for mpg. That and the car it's in is balanced perfectly for the power it has.

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>>15248013
>supposedly superior
>can't beat DOHC in mpg

>>15247828
UZ SWAP

>>15247828
LS engines are quite polarizing. Those who don't like them tend to get upset rather easily.

>>15248034
3UR-FE or 2UZ-FE with the bolt-on TRD supercharger would be funny

>>15248025
Can Dohc achieve over 30 Mpg highway with a 7 litre displacement?

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>>15248158
It doesn't need 7 liters because it's not an engineering failure.

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ls so shit eurocuck engines so much better

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>>15247877
>king of hp/lb and packaging.
kek

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>>15248176
>gm literally has NEVER won Lemans

>>15248190
Dumb ape poster

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>>15248203
>this assmad

>>15248164
So you admit that a 7 litre dohc engine can't get 30 mpg.
Now think if a 3litre engine can't make more than 500 hp without a massive rebuild. But a ls7 only needs a cam, heads, bolt ons and a tune to gains almost 200 hp over stock.
Which engine is truly inferior?

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>>15248176
They came 17th last year

>>15248249
>Which engine is truly inferior?


the lol2valve pushrod one of course

>>15248249
The one invented in 1960

>>15248249
>which is inferior
The pushrod engine. It can't even pass emissions or get better MPG than the 3.0L.

>>15248266
>>15248270
Actually the pushrod v8 was made well before the 60s.
And it takes half the money to make the pushrod 7 litre v8 to make 140 hp vs the dohc engine. Dollars don't lie. Pushrods are better

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>>15248289
>better
>can't outperform a V6
How pathetic....

>>15247828
import yourself a TVR speed 8
its better than any engine apart from the rotarys posted. 4.5L 440hp and 267lbs.

>>15247828
This is how I feel every time I go to a car show. I agree.

>>15247873
My thing is literally anything that's not a GM V8. Fucking 318 Chrysler, fan-fucking-tastic. Thanks for being slightly different.

But yes, the Northstar is different enough for my tastes

>>15247913
I mean, they kind of do. They are not as strict. VW wouldn't have gotten in trouble with the EU if they didn't have them.

>>15248399
>the Northstar is different enough for my tastes

Pretentious tastes

>>15247972
While I agree with you, I'd like to point out that pushrod motors can be lighter and more compact, because they do not need large heads like SOHC and DOHC engines do. They do have that going for them. Additionally, a lower torque band tends to go with them.

>>15248415
Pretentious? Cadillac? Man, have you seen those shitty pieces of badge engineering? Or did you mean I am generally pretentious and cadillac has nothing to do with it?

>>15248302
Damage control much. Wrong engine bud. And wrong car.

People really dislike cheap(per bhp), widely available, well documented engines?

Shit if L's engines were common here I'd have put one in my car, but instead, despite being an imported usdm car I dropped the worthless smog era 200hp v8 and dropped in a built 2jzgte. It would've cost the same to rebuild the v8 with all new parts and make good power but there's still no support and very little experience here.

Such is life. You bet I'd put in a ls is I could. Roadkill/motortrend make out like v8's grow on trees in the USA.

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>>15248459
>claims it's better
>can't outperform it

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>>15248468
>its only about the power

just get a superbike if you want to be the fastest

>>15248468
They kind of do. We built them for decades after we should have stopped, and we had been building them for a couple decades at the point when gas shot up and V8's weren't a good idea.

>>15248490
Bikes are lame.

>>15248468
Also, there is more to performance than power. Torque, for example. A smogged V8 can still make upwards of 250 ft-ibs of torque.

>>15247922
t. 18-24 boy racers who "DUDE BRO JUST SWAY LS ONE AFTERNOON EZ JOB!"

Do you also drive your dad's Volvo and vape?

>>15248164
>anime reaction pic
>read right-to-left

fuk off hypocrite

>>15248280
pushrod has better emissions and fuel consumption than the 3.0

>>15248515
It is an afternoon. If you're dedicated, skilled, have everything you need to make it work, and you've already removed the old engine.

>>15248475
Yup that's correct. A 8 yr old vette should be slower than a new gtr.
But if you want to go that route. Snek ans its all aluminum 8.4 litre V10 is faster than the computer chip on wheels with 2 less turbos. 2 less driving wheels, and 600 less pounds of wieght. Not bad for a pushrod truck engine.

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>>15248540
>still slower than OHC

>>15248540
It also has 4 extra cylinders. It would have an unholy amount of torque. And have you driven a viper? They're miserably equipped. The interior is a bad place to be.

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>>15248533
>this mad
>>15248538
>18 mpg
>>15248540
see
>>15248553

>>15248553
It's an American car. In America, we use generation or gen. None of that Mark shit. Get it right you fucking limey. Or go back to Canada. I don't care which.

>>15248571
This is a British website

>>15248558
I've driven all 3 gens. And strykers interior is a great place to be. Heated and ac seats. Adjustable pedals, 9 inch touch screen nav HD radio, everything wrapped in hand picked leather and stitched by hand. Can tell you never sat in a viper
>>15248553
Faster around topgear track doesn't count for shit. They sand bagged that lap.
Where's the lap times from a track that actually hosts a actual race.

>>15248515
t. assblasted busrider

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>>15248595
>n-no! IT DOESN'T COUNT!!
BTFO!!!

>>15248590
Psh... Moot was a New Yorker. This is an American website. Made by Americans, for Americans, which does not include you! Go back to Canada!>>15248595
I haven't. I've only heard them go from "tomb-like" to "barely hospitable."
The general tone of the automotive press is that the viper is not fun for long trips.

>>15248607
This is a Sharia controlled zone my friend.

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>>15248468
>Roadkill/motortrend make out like v8's grow on trees in the USA.
They kind of do. GM has made over a million gen 1 small block Chevy V8s (which are STILL in production). 90% of V8s in America will come from trucks. Trucks are the best selling anything over here (having consistently taken the top 3 spots of the best selling vehicles in America for decades). The GM trucks have usually had SBC's or LS V8's, the Dodge's have had either the LA V8's (like the 318), the Powertech V8s (like the SOHC 4.7L), and the Hemi's (like the 5.7L). Then there's the Fords which have usually had a Cleveland V8, a Windsor V8, or a Modular V8. Only recently, at Ford, has there been a shift. more than half of Ford's new F150 trucks are now powered by the 3.5L Twin Turbo V6 engines

Most cars in America are powered by I4 or V6 engines but V8s are literally EVERYWHERE. EVERYONE everywhere either owns a V8 powered vehicle or knows someone with one.

>>15248616
In any case, it is a place not controlled by those filthy British and their emus.

Tfw straight piped ls1 trans am

Fuck you OP. Hipster douchebag

>>15248651
Trans-am is nothing more than a Camaro with stupid chicken decals. The boat-anchor of an engine only makes it more obnoxious

>>15248571
>implying I uploaded it to fastestlaps

its much better if americans don't upload cars there tho, some dumbass upload a "Chevorlet"

>>15248668
Psh, some dumbass designed that Chevorlet, and some dumbass said "Yes, let's build that thing". Point is, GM shouldn't do stuff. Also, I thought you meant this site. But still, fuck you. Go back to Nova Scotia or whatever part of that god-forsaken white hell you come from.

>>15248680
>white hell

well yes, America does have a rather ebony color now that you mention it

>>15248698
It's all the smog from our glorious V8's. 12 horsepower but 600+ ft-ibs of torque.

It's literally gods gift to mankind.

>>15248712
God is a funny way of saying Ford Motor Company.

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>>15248717
>ford
can't compete

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>>15248724

>>15248724
Uh-huh. Try comparing the Fiesta to the Sonic. And how is that fiberglass toy in terms of build quality? Clarkson's was falling apart within a few weeks. Chevy may be fast with its 7 liter, but Ford keeps up with a 5.0, and it actually engineers its cars.

>>15248729
Thanks, btw.

>>15248724
See, this asshole gets it? And if I recall, they called the Camaro's interior "coffin-like." Now compare the Gt40 to the Vette.

>>15248729
>making a car to specifically to take down an out of production car
wow. So intelligent

>>15248736
Unless it's an ST, the Sonic shits on the Fiesta in terms is speed and handling.
Also the GT350 has a 5.2L, not a 5.0L you fucking moron. What's the matter? Can't read the brochure?

>>15248736
clarkson gave the corvette you replied to car of the year.
try again slowefag

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>>15248751
>so mad he makes excuses

>>15248751
They still make the Camaro, and also, guess what? There'd be no Camaro without the Mustang. GM made an inferior copy, and it killed it for a while. The Camaro has always been shit. As for the Sonic, how is that cheap shit-box put together? I don't care how fast they go. I care about how long it'll serve me. The vega was faster than the Ford Pinto. It fell apart faster too.

>>15248754
And in an editorial, he said of the Zr1 he tested in America for the muscle car special started to fall apart. And are you sure he wasn't talking about the new Corvette?

>its a Ford retards vs GM retards at it again

place your bets

>>15248754
You know, the one that broke down in Motor Trend's car of the year trials?

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>Step one
grow a proper sack of balls
>Stop two
buy this engine
http://www.sonnysracingengines.com/engines/sar-1005-2100-hp
>Step three
swap it in your car like a fuckin man

>>15248767
In fairness, the other domestic brand is Chrysler. They're, uh, hardly worth defending.

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>>15248767
GM has the only car faster than a gt-r, so it ALWAYS wins these types of threads.

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>>15248758
I know. I'll make a Civic that can outperform a Model T!

>>15248760
>They still make the Camaro
Not that model. The 2016 Camaro doesn't share a single part with the 2010-2015 car.
>GM made an inferior copy
Trans Am racing championships during both cars first generations beg to differ.

The Sonic uses German engines and are reliable. It's also built in Michigan. Where's the Fiesta built? Oh yea. In Mexico. Where Ford pays the workers in chickens. Which one's cheaper to build?

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PUSHRODS BTFO!!!!

>>15248778
nah, the viper a best and everyone knows the hemi is god-tier

Chrysler is number 1

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>>15248780
>>15248784

>>15248785
and 2 of those 3 cars are street legal in America.

>>15248794
go home Alphonse.

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>>15248793
Not around a track.
>>15248799
>NO! IT'S NOT FAIR!!
BTFO!!!

>>15248780
The C7 Corvette is different from GM, in that it was actually thought out.

>>15248784
And yet the Sonic feels cheaper. Of course, that's because it too is built in Mexico. And China. And a whole bunch of other places that suck. The Cadillac Catera used german engines. And how did that turn out for it?

Or how about the fact that VW has built cars in Mexico for decades, all of which are better than the shitty domestics that we turn out.

Also, Check the Camaro's sales numbers vs the Mustangs.

Second also, who took the bailout? Who killed all those people with their cost cutting? Good old General Motors

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>>15248784
funny because thats actually the complete opposite considering the corvette is a piece of shit and chrysler is the one with a car faster than the GTR godmachine

>>15248784
>penske
nice cheat car

>>15248799
maybe you actual need freedom, america

>>15248793
Yes, but you have to take the whole line up together. Chrysler makes some shitty cars. You see the 200? Mediocre to the max.

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>>15248803
>let's put the oil cooler next to the cat
>thought out

KEK
E
K

>>15248808
Yeah, I mentioned that. It did break down during Motortrend's testing too. Don't get me wrong, it's flimsy, but it is the first American production car to go toe-to-toe with a Ferrari since the 1950's, so I give it a pass.

>>15248760
>And are you sure he wasn't talking about the new Corvette?

He did choose the new Stingray as his personal car of the year along with the Corvette ZR1
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1031443_jeremy-clarkson-picks-corvette-zr1-as-best-car-of-the-year

>he said of the Zr1 he tested in America for the muscle car special started to fall apart.

Those were early production models just as the car was coming out. much like the transmission problems the GTR faced in its early years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJx85diM3IE

Porsche also had some failures during that time as seen in this motor-trend comparison.

>>15248807
This. What was Chrysler thinking, having a fucking dial knob as the PRND selector? Smells like glue, looks like shit, transmission hunts more than an unemployed redneck, and blinds lots galore.

At this point, I'm pretty sure they designed the outside aesthetics first and left everything to chance

>>15248817
That was near the end of the C6's lifespan. Or was it the middle? The C6 came out in 2006, and when he tested it, it was a couple years old. It was cheaply built, as are all GM's.

Look up the Cimarron, and you'll get my point.

>>15248820
That's because of the 9-speed. The hunting, that is. The cheapness is a result of Chrysler playing it safe. Which ironically has never helped them.

>>15248803
>Also, Check the Camaro's sales numbers vs the Mustangs.
you mean how since the revival the Camaro has consistently outsold the Mustang?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdQ3VTczVaY

>>15248839
http://blog.caranddriver.com/warning-graphic-content-50-years-of-camaro-vs-mustang-sales-numbers-in-living-color/

It didn't outsell the Mustang until 1984, you dope. Couldn't even beat the shitbox that was the Mustang II

>>15248843
>>15248839
Also, when it came back, it came back hard and knocked the Camaro out of the marketplace.

>>15248843
from 2010 to present, the Camaro outsold the Mustang.

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>>15248828
>That was near the end of the C6's lifespan.

But we're talking about the ZR1 which came out in 2008. Regular C6s are pretty reliable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_SrFaXQe1s

as are C5 shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGWuucnV44A

>>15248851
Not uniformly. The 2012 outsold the Camaro, and the 2014 outsold the Camaro outright. And you are ignoring the DECADES in which the Mustang showed that cheap POS where it could shove its knock-off looks and cheap hard-touch plastics

>>15248858
Well, actually you may have a point. But it wasn't the power train that failed him. It was other things. Trim, for example.

But I'll concede the point, given that you acknowledged the C5, and I love the C5.

>>15248851
And in 2015 up to February of this year,

http://www.torquenews.com/106/mustang-wins-january-camaro-sales-remain-slow

That.

>>15248851
So, doing the math, that's actually, 2010, 2011, 2013, and then....? Oh, so that's not every year then. That's not 2010 to present. That's 2010 to 2011, then one more year.

>>15248851
Also, while checking your shitty research, I thought of something: The Fiesta makes damned near 200 horsepower in some forms. In fact, the most powerful Sonic is 135HP, from a four-pot. The fiesta has a turbo-three banger making 140. In a platform from 2008, vs 2011.

So, ummmmm.... How did you get those shitty performance figures again?

>>15248851
Now let's discuss the shitty things GM has done in the past.

In no particular order:
The Vega
The X-Cars (Citation)
The El Dorado with its 4 wheel drum brakes and 5000 pound curb weight
Their crappy minivans
The 1997 Malibu
The bankruptcy
The crappy ignition switches
The cheap gaskets on the 3.8 V6 that caused engine fires, that they STILL haven't fixed
The emphasis on big cars, leading to a neglect on the small cars which they often lost money on, thus leading to their situation during the recession

And other things too.

>>15247910
Shit on the GTR, good on the supra and rx-7.

I'm not even joking. If you have no engine, it's going to work out about the same to swap in a LS (there are kits to make it so easy now) and you get the following benefits.

>More torque, lower down
>Nice V8 sound
>Cheap as fuck to make power on a LS

and more important than all of them

>The engine is smaller, further in and lighter.

A ls has a better center of gravity than the supra's 2jz, improving handling post swap.

The reason it's not good on the 32 GTR is because the AWD and pretty good balance already makes it just not worth the minor benefit of putting the weight further behind the front axle.

For a supra (and a lesser extent the rx-7) the LS is simply the superior engine (unless you already have a built 2jz-gte at which point it's not cost effective).

The performance is undeniable. It just triggers the fuck out of purists.

>>15248991
It's not that we're purists. It's that we're bored. We have over a century's worth of cars and engines to choose from, and the Chevy V8 is the only one we ever use. Usually on a 32 ford. I'm just saying I'd like to see an AMC Rambler with a Jag straight six or something.

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>>15248775
>16 litre v8

>>15248991
>For a supra (and a lesser extent the rx-7) the LS is simply the superior engine

>its better to spend 10k swapping an engine that makes 400whp than modifying the existing engine to 800whp

you are a retrad

>>15249010
I get your point, i'm just clarifying from an engineering perspective.

The ls is an AMAZING engine swap for a supra, a decent swap for a rx-7 and pure garbage in a skyline GTR.

Price for performance, it cannot be beaten. That's why it's so popular. Take the supra for example.

The only time the 2jz-gte is better is if you've already poured a bit of money into yours.

If you have a blown motor, a NA supra or even a stock standard 2jz-gte and are looking for the pinnacle of performance not just HP wise but torque and HANDLING, you're going to be interested in hearing about a LS swap.

Spend some time on google, there are great benefits to it. It's not a bad series of engines at all, it obviously has it's downsides and are not perfect but i don't get why people are so fucking assmad.

>>15249026
Spotted the person with zero understanding of engineering.

There is more to an engine than the maximum number it pulls on a dyno.

>>15248937
And Saab. Poor poor Saab.

>>15249026
Actually you're a fucking idiot. He's right, the LS is godly cheap to get to the same level of power and comes with other benefits he kinda already mentioned.

>MUH 2JZ IS INVINCIBLE JDM BROOO LEMME WHIP OUT MY VAPE

As good as the 2jz is (it's pretty damn good) this is not 2000. With the development of kits making the swap easy, it's become economically viable.

If you keep the 2jz, you are doing it for feel (and that's ok) but not performance.

>>15249034
I mean, yeah, but at the end of the day you're probably not building something that's going to be faster than an M5. Most people just make their cookie cutter hotrods with them. That's why I hate them. It's hard to argue with results, but when you're making the 6 billionth matte black 32 ford, at least try something new.
>>15249040
Yes. Saab. Those bastards took a gem of engineering and killed it.

>>15249034
Quality and objective post, thanks mate.

I agree with your points, the LS is great as it makes power so cheaply and is also very light, but it too has downsides like gas mileage.

I don't personally like the idea of a LS in a japanese car, but from a performance standpoint i can understand why it's done.

People think the ls is 60's tech but don't understand it's quality oldschool tech which has actually been improved upon with modern technology. They've done loads of research into improving airflow, aftermarket, the list goes on.

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>>15249034
spotted the Forza fanboy

swapping an engine isn't
>right click
>install

if you have a supra and you blew the engine, all you need to do is get a gte block from japan, which is less than 1k and drop it in a car

you are a retard if you belive an LS swap is more cost effective than that

>b-but muh weight

several supercars have engines several hundred lbs heavier than LS, the zonda and the viper come to my mind, and the extra weight is literally irrelevant

sounds like you need to stop drinking the hp/lb kool aid

>>15249049
Nah i get your point, most of them are just generic. I have seen a fucking stupid ls3 swapped supra though, it was a quality build.

>>15249051
Again, zero understanding of engineering.

A fully dressed 2jz-gte gives the car a 53% front bias on weight distribution, dropped to 51% by the LS. Far more importantly, the center of gravity also sits lower and further behind the front axle. This dramatically improves handling.

Cost evaluations will vary based on what specific parts you are using, but at the upper levels of performance they sit fairly even. Except one gives improved handling.

You are a fucking idiot if you think weight distribution and center of gravity are "koolaid" and do not factor heavily in a car's performance.

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>>15249051
> hp/lb doesn't matter
Lol fag

>>15249050
It is 60's tech. It's almost completely outdated. GM makes with 7 liters what Ford does with 5.

It just happens to work well when you don't give a shit about being different, or fuel mileage.

>>15247972
>caring about emissions
what are you a communist?

>>15249051
AHAHAHAHA just go fucking sit in your corner you dumb shit.

I actually own a supra (still with my 2jz) and he's right. If i was going for the upper tier of performance, why would i not spend the exact same amount of money on better handling?

Oh right, you're a dumb shit who believes the memes that you can run 1000hp on a 2jz without doing anything but upping the boost.

Fucking moronic. The block is the indestructible part , the rods and pistons are decently strong but are not as good as aftermarket forged ones past a point.

You know nothing about what you're talking about so fuck off. You cunts give us supra owners a bad name with your meme spewing about it being "le ultimate car".

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>>15249074
If an engine can't pass emissions it can't be put in a production car, dumbass. That's why GM's engines are such shit. They only perform well when they don't have to follow emissions. But at that point you could modifying a OHV counterpart to destroy a pushrod engine.

>>15249051
I hope you're baiting.

No-one can possibly be this dumb.

>>15249080
*OHC

>>15249078
Wow, man. You give him power when you get mad. Don't get mad. Just ignore the little turd.

>>15249080
No, GM's engines are shit because GM refuses to use technology from this century. In the late 70's, they just planned to replace the Cats every 60k miles. That didn't happen. GM cuts costs and it shows.

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>>15249044
>LS is godly cheap to get to the same level of power
sure, the problem is you have to spend 6k-8k dropping it inside the car

>MUH 2JZ IS INVINCIBLE JDM BROOO LEMME WHIP OUT MY VAPE
nice meme words, you are totally not triggered

>With the development of kits making the swap easy, it's become economically viable.
really? exactly how is it more economically viable to spend 10k swapping a STOCK engine instead of getting a new single turbo, a new headgasket, injectors, fuel pump and some studs and make 800-900whp reliably out of a 2JZ

>If you keep the 2jz, you are doing it for feel (and that's ok) but not performance.
>not for performance

let's see

a)spend 10k swapping a stock engine in a car
b)spend 2k tuning the stock engine to 400hp and 8k on suspension, brakes, tires and a differential

yeah, surely the LS swap is the proper option for performance

>>15249065
Again, pure Forza underage way of thinking

>A fully dressed 2jz-gte gives the car a 53% front bias on weight distribution, dropped to 51% by the LS
cool, a 2JZ supra with proper suspension and tires will handle better than an LS swapped car with stock suspension

benchrace all you want about weight difference that can be offset by recolating the battery and filling the gas tank

>the center of gravity also sits lower
it doesn't sits lower than a supra lowered with proper coils

>Cost evaluations will vary based on what specific parts you are using
not at all, its cheaper to modify a 2JZ than to swap an engine, this is a fact

>Except one gives improved handling.
and an extra cost involved in the swap

>You are a fucking idiot
kek, says the dumbass that thinks a supra with modified suspension and new tires, making the same power as a stock supra with an LS swap won't handle better

>and do not factor heavily in a car's performance.
nice reading comprehension
the problem is the center of gravity and weight distro is not dictated by the engine alone, but by the sum of mass of the components

>>15249078
Thank you. Your post could not be more true, i love supras and have loads of respect for them but some of the members of your community are fucking braindead.

They actually believe that a 1000 hp supra on stock everything is going to last more than a single dyno run.

It's not like getting 1000hp is impossible, or that it's unreliable...but you still have to fucking build it accordingly with forged internals, better fuel injection, ect ect

They are fucking moronic.

>>15249090
What this guy said. Just ignore him, he's an idiot with zero understanding of engineering.

For the record, this is what goes into a powerful supra's build.

http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/07/too-much-is-never-enough-a-1294whp-supra/

>As impressive as it looks on the outside, within the walls of the straight six is where most of the work has gone on. Custom CP forged pistons and Carillo rods feature, as do Crower cams and oversized valves in the JB-Engine race-prepped DOHC 24-valve cylinder head.

>To satisfy the engine’s need for fuel at such times, Peter pieced together a pretty innovative set up that runs two distinct systems – one for regular pump gasoline, and the other for E85 biofuel. Under high load, a boost pressure sensor switches over the supply from the gasoline tank, Bosch Motorsport 044 pump, AN6 lines, Fuelab fuel pressure regulator and Siemens 670cc injectors, to the E85 system with a completely separate set of components. That is another tank, AN10 lines, Fuelab Prodigy pump, a Weldon fuel pressure regulator and Siemens 2340cc injectors.

>>15249100
Are you saying the little turd? Because I'm damned well versed in the problems that came with the X-Cars and what they tried. I have a great deal of engineering understanding

>>15249097
just stop. you're trying to say that the ls swapped one won't have proper suspension as well?

also, fucking kek at your incorrect calculations.

>10k to ls swap, comes with a 6-700hp ls and room to grow

and you think 2k is going to get a 2jz to 10k? let alone one with a blown motor so you're also getting new parts?

fuck off, you've been BTFO >>15249100

>Muh 2jz is so easy to get 1000hp out of

>>15249097
Is there seriously a retard in here suggesting swapping an LS into a car a car that has a 2JZ in it?

>>15247907
>Rebuild intervals

>>15247845
Nah brah faggot hipsters got no hp..

>>15249107
Yea i'm talking about the turd, not you.

He actually believes building a 2jz is an easy matter, despite proof being linked otherwise.

It's obvious he's a purist with an agenda, my original point still stands. It is more cost effective for higher performance to ls swap a NA or blown motor supra. Period.

You will spend 10k (perhaps less with help from mates) and get 700hp easy.

Good luck building a 2jz from scratch, add shipping costs, bolt ons as well....you'll find the price rises quite quickly.

>>15249111
He has a point.

Assume you have a blown engine or NA supra. You can overnight parts from japan at a higher cost than buying a kit, a local motor and spending that money building it stupidly.

Torque and power alone will be higher for each dollar you spend. Building a 2jz-GTE is pretty cheap and easy power, but not as cheap as a LS.

Then there's the handling benefit he mentioned (which that moron is trying to shy away from discussing with some bullshit about coilovers (like that has anything to do with engine center of gravity) and actually trying to compare a car with coils compared to one without (bias much?).

The engineer also said it's only something he would do provided the car was missing a decently along it's way 2jz-gte, he never knocked the engine he only pointed out VERY REAL faults with it (and the LS).

Enter this god damn sperglord chimping out because MUH JDM BRO who cannot handle facts.

Fucking amusing watching him make a mockery of himself.

I still can't believe he thinks a 1000hp supra just comes about on stock internals, despite evidence being linked ITT to the contrary.

>>15249078
>I actually own a supra (still with my 2jz)
bread on hood

> If i was going for the upper tier of performance, why would i not spend the exact same amount of money on better handling?
thats my point dumbass, why would you ever spend 10k swapping an engine that is making just 400whp, when you can make 500whp with some basic bolt-ons AND get some new coils, swaybars and tires for around same cost as an LS swap

you are delusional if you belive an LS supra with its 15 year old stock suspension will handle better than a supra with upgraded suspension components

>rods and pistons
you can safely run 600whp on a Turbo block before having to worry about modyfing the rotating assembly, lurk more

>You cunts give us supra owners a bad name with your meme spewing about it being "le ultimate car".
I never implied the JZ is le ultimate engine, dumbass i am poitning out its stupid to swap it out because the money needed for a swap can be spent on the rest of the car

>>15249100
> 1000 hp supra on stock everything
no one is talking about 1000hp, dumb nigger, nice stragrasping

>zero understanding of engineering.
kek says the dumbass that belives swapping in an LS is "economically feasible"

>>15249109
>won't have proper suspension as well?
I mean and you could also bolt a toyota formula 1 engine and so on

this isn't Forza kiddo if you had a budget of let's say 10k aus dollars its stupid to belive that a car with JUST a swapped engine will handle better than a supra with some engine bolt ons to bring it up to similar power levels and a proper suspension and tire job

you are a literal retard

> 6-700hp ls
a crate LS that makes 600 hp is like 15k for the engine ALONE an LS7 is like 10k if you are lucky to find one

>and you think 2k is going to get a 2jz to 10k?
>10k

what

you can absolutely bring a 2JZ to 600whp with less than 5k, and you are still left with 10k, considering you will spend 15k swapping a 600hp LS inside a supra

>>15249111
yeah

he even belives it more economically feasible kek

what a retard

>>15249120
>building a 2jz is an easy matter
it is, considering the stock internals are good for 600whp

>It's obvious he's a purist with an agenda
kek

>It is more cost effective for higher performance to ls swap a NA or blown motor supra.
lol no

if you have an NA supra, you can get a gte block and a single turbo, AND build the whole thing for less than 4k

>You will spend 10k
yes, just to swap the engine alone

>700hp easily
after spending 4k or more with new cams, new camshaft, pistons, fuel and an intake

>Good luck building a 2jz from scratch
you can get a complete engine from ebay, dumbass

>>15249120
Building an engine is not an easy thing. It's not something you just do. You have to pull the damned thing apart, clean it relentlessly, get it machined, have it checked for cracks and pores, put in the parts, and put it in the car. Also, it weighs over 300 pounds the entire time you're playing with it. Yeah. Shits hard. And then shipping a 300 pound hunk of metal from Japan is gonna cost you a mint.

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>>15249133
>you can absolutely bring a 2JZ to 600whp with less than

I agree with this

>>15249154
Not if you want it to last, you don't.

>>15249133
>you are delusional if you belive an LS supra with its 15 year old stock suspension will handle better than a supra with upgraded suspension components

Logical fallacy, if you can't compare both cars with coils shut the fuck up.

>you can safely run 600whp on a Turbo block before having to worry about modyfing the rotating assembly, lurk more

This is true, but we're discussing 1000hp supras. Lurk moar.

>no one is talking about 1000hp, dumb nigger, nice stragrasping

Yes, we are.

>a crate LS that makes 600 hp is like 15k for the engine ALONE an LS7 is like 10k if you are lucky to find one

And this is how we know you're a moron.

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/project-cars/sucp-0805-ls-engine-power-packages/
Your post is filled with fucking logical fallacies. The original guy was referring to NA and blown motor supras, not ones already being built. You can't fucking read for shit.

You keep resorting to wildly inaccurate examples to try and bias your argument, like saying cheap LS's are not everywhere for like 500-1000 bucks with a good handshake deal and then getting all the parts and building the cunt is not easy as shit since it's pushrod and like 3 wiring looms.

>>15249159
>>15249154
No, he's right, that's the only thing he's right about.

But after 650, you're going to need to start getting new parts. Meanwhile you can be building this LS for high numbers from scratch.

Also, as the bloke said there's more than pure power numbers. The LS delivers power better.

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>>15249132
>Assume you have a blown engine
get a new longblock for 2k and bolt it in

>or NA supra.
get a gte longblock and a turbo for 6k and bolt everything in

>Torque and power alone will be higher for each dollar you spend.
kek with 10k you can easily build a 1200hp 2JZ AND it is already installed in the car

if you want a 1200hp LS you need to first spend 10k building the engine, and then another 10k swapping it in

>still doesn't understan how stout JZ engines are
>still doesn't understand how a supra with modified suepsnion and tires will handle better despite having a JZ
>still thinks anyone is talking about 1000hp

you are a complete retard lel

>>15249159
you are a retard

boy, summer hit hard this year

>>15249166
No, he's wrong, I knew a guy who was spouting that crap in high school, and the crap bucket blow up on him. Not literally, it just kinda, fell apart.
>>15249167
Do you know how much 2000 dollars is? It's a lot of goddamned money. It's not cheap. LS is cheaper. Also, I get the distinct feeling you do not have first hand knowledge of anything bigger than a Tonka truck.

You fucking weeaboo.

>>15249120
> 10k for 700hp ls swap
The only retard here is you

>>15249166
Pretty much THIS.

Let me actually cost the ls swap, by the way.

>500 bucks for a LS from a junkyard
>200 bucks to have everything cleaned and honed
>350 for a T56 Tranny
>2000 for the mountings, driveshafts and entire kit (link below)
>2000 for cams, intake
>1000 for pistons/rods

Will be good for easy 600hp, as proved by that link posted above.

That's about 6000 bucks, saving another 4k for beer to have your mates help you out, plus any additional parts.

http://www.sikky.com/product/supra-lsx-mount-kit/

>>15249167
Trolling retard.

Answer this. Do you think a 2jz supra with modified suspension/tires is going to handle better than a ls swapped supra with modified suspension/tires?

Who the fuck would be engine swapping and not have everything else up to standard? No-one's going to be building 600hp engines, either way unless their shit is up to standard so they're not in a wall like a fuckwit.

>>15249185
You're right, it's even cheaper!

See >>15249188

I did this LITERAL setup myself (except instead of a supra it was custom machine parts i made myself for a silvia, so i diden't pay the 2k for kit.

The 2k kit is costed as per the link below.

>>15249188
> 500 ls from junkyard
Roflmao he actually believes the meme

>>15249167
Hey, here's a question for you, you anime-obsessed weeaboo fuck, If your solution is so cheap, yet also so effective, to the point where this engine can reliably make more horsepower than a new Camaro, why the fuck hasn't everybody done it?

Because it's snake oil, you moron. It's a bunch of puffery. It's tales of knights who do valiant things. It's a goddamned myth.

Get the fuck out of here. Summer hit hard? Bitch, I'm so old I was here when they started saying "newfags can't triforce"

>go to car show
>see a cool car
>look under hood
>LS
>yawn loudly and walk away

>>15249188
hooooly shit you just rekt him.

As a supra owner, i'm ashamed to have this guy even fucking discussing my car. We're not all fucking weaboos like him who believe the meme about it being indestructible without any modifications to make it last.

>>15249204
It's true. In america they're just so god damn common.

A lot of Alphonse in here.

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>>15249188
>500 bucks for a LS from a junkyard
>350 for a T56 Tranny

Nigga, where the fuck are you getting less than half priced LS engines and bargained T56 trannies? I'm been researching potential swaps for my car and I have NEVER seen prices that low locally and online.

>>15249214
It's not true

>>15249166
>if you can't compare both cars with coils shut the fuck up.
again, you can swap a toyota F1 engine and suspension if you want, but this isn't Forza kiddo

cost has to be considered

>This is true, but we're discussing 1000hp supras
no we aren't you are

I simply stated you can bring a turbo JZ to stock LS levels with just minor bolt ons, work on your reading comprehension

>Yes, we are.
nope

>And this is how we know you're a moron.
none of those engines are stock, dumb nigger, so you not only have to spend 10k swapping in an LS but an extra 4k bringing it up to 600whp

go read the crate engine options at GM performance parts, dumbass

>Your post is filled with fucking logical fallacies.
kek, nice buzzword

> NA and blown motor supras
literally irrelevant, see first part here >>15249167

>not ones already being built.
even if its not built its retarded to swap an LS

>heap LS's are not everywhere for like 500-1000 bucks with a good handshake deal
>500 dollars for a 600 whp LS

this guy si actually fucking retarded lel

the 500 dollar blocks are the truck iron ones, which are fucking pigfat aswell, I thought the whole point was to make the car lighter

>handsahke deal
kek

>>15249181
>how much 2000 dollars is?
more or less the cost of a fucking LS1 making slighty above 300hp

>b-but i can get one for 500
yes an iron 4.8 from a truck

>LS is cheaper.
no it isn't

>I get the distinct feeling you do not have first hand knowledge of anything bigger than a Tonka truck.
says the dumb nigger that belives he can get an LS7 for 500 dollars kek

>>15249188
Answer this retard Do you think an LS swap is one for less than 2k? because thats how much money it takes to bring a 2jz to LS9 power levels

again, you can swap a toyota f1 engine and suspension, but cost has to be consiered, for the cost of an LS swap, a modified supra will be faster and it will handle better

>>15249204
why are LS fangirls so fucking stupid??????

>>15249218
They're likely used. You go to a scrapyard, particularly anywhere in the desert states, and you can find a plethora of parts. An LS1, I doubt you'll find, but you wouldn't be hard pressed to find some LS family V8.

>>15247883
Too bad it's fucking gigantic and won't fit in most cars

>>15249212
Yea, why have they not 2jz swapped everything?

Oh right, because a 2jz-GTE is rare as fucking shit and only getting rarer.

A 2jz-GT is not the same engine, by the way so don't even try to use that argument.


>>15249218
Are you american? Go to a local junkyard, chat with the owner and be social. He got it for like 100 bucks so he'll be happy to sell it to a good chap who will use it for something cool, he's still making lots of profit and has heaps more. He prefers the quick sale.

It's really all about finding a good yard, i had to go to 4, but at the last one i found a nice guy, we got along well and struck a deal since i bought both.

Even if you pay double, it still works out below 10k, by the way.

>>15249222
The original engineer was saying LS swapping NA or blown supras is preferrable to overnighting parts from japan.

Which it is.

Scroll up, read his original fucking post which you sperged out at you fucking weaboo.

>Muh 2jz

Also top fucking kek, you actually think you have to buy a crate engine to do a engine swap? You don't even know what a fucking junkyard is and building a pushrod yourself?

It's so fucking easy, it's not a complicated engine. My kid built one at age 10 with only a bit of help lifting things.

>>15249222
First off, I am not the moron who says I can get an LS1 for 500 bucks. I'm the moron who argues with 15 year-old pasty white kids on the internet. Second, I've taken into account shipping. An American engine shipped to America from America is not going to be nearly as expensive as one shipped across the Pacific from Japan. I do know that one pulled from a junked Camaro is cheaper and makes 300HP stock.

>>15249238
Why would I use that argument? I am telling this little shit off. We're on the same side. Friendly fire.
Also, yes, a local scrapyard is going to have, like, 60 junked Camaros per square foot. It's a scientistic fact. 100 bucks would not be enough to get you a running one. Unless you pull it yourself and he's pressed for cash.

And engines are not as easy to build as you say. They aren't much harder, but there are a lot of bolts that get stuck in after 50 years.

>>15249222
Why are you even still posting if you're discussing mediocre performance?

The original discussion was about price for highest performance, not meh tier.

You fucking know full well that while getting to 600hp might be cheap, going from 600-1000 is not fucking cheap at all.

Also, why no discussion about how handling is improved? Or torque at low RPM?
Better powerband?

All you can focus on is power and your shit fantasy where the LS swapped car does not have coils for some reason.

Both cars would have coils if they're even considering this swap, only a fuckwit would be putting this kind of power in something not set up to control it.

>>15249242
You can, it just requires shopping around.

Realistically if you're a lazy cunt, 1500 bucks. Still comes in well under cost.

I personally fucking hate the idea, but i fully understand why a NA supra or blown engine one would do it.

It is better.

>>15249255
Well the original discussion was about NA supra or blown engine, so we're assuming the supra has no engine to begin with (because you can't re-use much of the 2jz-gt).

Building a LS is easier than a 2jz-GTE and cheaper, let's be real. Even if you don't get cheap prices by handshaking the man and shopping around.

>>15249188
>forgetting fuel, computer, cooling, new driveshaft or rear end

wow, you are honestly fucking retarded lel

>>15249212
you are a fucking dumbass

>>15249214
you too are a fucking dumbass

>>15249238
>2jz-GTE is rare as fucking shit and only getting rarer.
japanese taxis had 2JZGTEs

>Which it is.
oh but it isn't my americlap friend

you will be spending 10k on the swap
>b-but 6k
the dumb nigger forgot a new ECU, a new fuel system and a new rear end, lets not forget transmission and driveshaft mounts and a new shifter

for 10k you can build a 1000hp JZ, even if its a blown engine or an NA considering a GTE block will bolt right itn

>overnight from japan
confirmed dumbass, an importer has already did all the work for you

here, have a complete JZ for 2k http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-Toyota-2JZ-VVTI-Engine-Twin-Turbo-3-0L-6-Cylinder-Supra-Aristo-GS300-2JZGTE-/252400338688, it will bolt right in

you can buy a COMPLETE engine just for the same cost of the swapping kit the dumb cuck posted

>you have to buy a crate engine to do a engine swap?
no, you will most likely get an LS3 which, suprise suprise its not 500 dollars
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Trans-Am-WS6-LS1-5-7L-engine-w-T56-6-speed-Transmission-114K-LS2-LS3-LS6-/122011942618?hash=item1c687a7eda:g:NUYAAOSwmtJXWwwn&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-CAMARO-SS-6-2-LS3-ENGINE-6-SPEED-MANUAL-TRANS-PULLOUT-43K-MILES-LS2-LS3-/182066038077?hash=item2a63fb453d:g:bJgAAOSwdU1W9WqO&vxp=mtr

>>15249258
>The original discussion was about price for highest performance, not meh tier.
then swap a toyota f1 engine and suspension? hell swap a ferrari or mercedes one, considering mercedes has been dominating this season

>ou fucking know full well that while getting to 600hp might be cheap, going from 600-1000 is not fucking cheap at all.
neither is on an LS

>how handling is improved?
handling won't imporve shit because for the same cost, you will still have the same stock 15 year old suspension

you are a retardkid

>>15249277
>forgetting fuel, computer, cooling, new driveshaft or rear end

Only the computer is not included in the kity.

As i said here >>15249269 we are assuming a new engine setup, so you are going to need to buy an aftermarket ECU for either.

That cost does not factor in.

Same with upgraded fuel.

>>15249258
I'm just saying in general. I care very little for the Supra.
>>15249269
Yes, and I have firmly been on the side of "The 2jz-gt is not a viable option." I would never do this.

>>15249277
Oh yeah? Why am I dumbass? Is it because you cannot fucking prove your point? That's more of a YOU problem. If these things were as great as you say, IT WOULD BE DONE BY EVERYBODY.

You're full of shit boyo.

>>15249277
You're showing a cheap example of a 2jz, without turbos...

You can get a ls for cheaper than 5k mate, come on.

Been watching this whole thread and you are just resorting to logical fallacies after logical fallacy.

Why would a car being engine swapped not have new coils and tires anyway? Do you think anyone's stupid enough to put 600hp plus in a car and no traction?

Come on...

>>15249305
I mean, Texans...

>>15249212
> why the fuck hasn't everybody done it?
I ask that question for ls swaps. They are pretty much nonexistent compared to high horsepower 2jz builds

>>15249310
They're frequently done. Not necessarily in the Supra, which is what this thread was originally about, but they happen often enough there too.

>>15249295
The reason 2jz swaps are not done is because he's heavily skewing numbers.

A ls does not cost 5 grand, fucking top kek.

And that 2jz comes without turbo, intercooler...you will have to buy so much more.

In the end, the cost will be pretty equal between the two to be honest.

I fucking LOVE the 2jz, but you are resorting to bullshit because you seem to hate the LS. It is a good engine and a very viable alternative for a NA supra, or a supra without an engine.

Someone who likes better handling can enjoy the benefit of it, plus a nice v8 sound and make good power.

Why the fuck is this an issue? Why are you so god damn angry that people pointed out a LS swapped supra is not a "Retarded" idea?

Because it's not retarded, it's actually pretty fucking cool and good performance wise.

>>15249320
FUCKING FRIENDLY FIRE! I'm on your fucking side here, dumbass! I mean, I'm not the LS family's biggest supporter, you have me confused for the shit head! I'm gonna start signing these.

Chronomaster Jones.

>>15249242
funny because the japanese engine has already been imported and it costs 2k, which is cheaper than an LS2 or LS3
see>>15249277

> I do know that one pulled from a junked Camaro is cheaper and makes 300HP stock.
funny because LS1 are 2k, just like a 2JZ


>>15249258
>All you can focus on is power and your shit fantasy where the LS swapped car does not have coils for some reason.
again, swap a formula 1 engine and suspension if you want, but we are talking about dollar for dollar

>only a fuckwit would be putting this kind of power in something not set up to control it.
well duh, he swapped an LS he is obv a fuckwit

>>15249269
>NA supra or blown engine
see
>>15249277
>>15249167

>Building a LS is easier than a 2jz-GTE and cheaper
you can build an engine all you want, the problem is isntalling it in a car

for the cost of swapping it inside a car, you can modify the suspension, brakes and tires of the JZ powered supra
>b-but blown or NA
see above


>>15249289
>Only the computer is not included in the kity.
nope, where is the cooling support, the shift mount? the fuel upgrade?

>a new engine setup
see above

>aftermarket ECU for either.
this fucking dumb busrider, the JZ ECU will bolt right in, the LS wont you will have to spend money making it work

dumb cunt

>>15249295
>Oh yeah? Why am I dumbass?
because you are fucking retarded thats why

I already proved its much better to modify the stock JZ AND spend the rest of the money neede just for the stock LS swap on suspension and tires swap, and your retarded ass can only reply with >b-but if i spend more money on the LS swapped one

spend all the money you want, swap an F1 drivetrain, but its still cheaper to build the JZ car

>>15249305
>without turbos
good, the stock ones are shit

>You can get a ls for cheaper than 5k mate, come on.
yes, an iron 4.8 liter truck one, that barely makes over 200 horses

cont

>>15249317
And they are still extremely tucking rare
Retards like you act they're common as fuck and everyone and their dog is doing it. They aren't and for good reason, the 2jz is the superior choice for the car

>>15249320
I like how every attempt has been made to dodge the fact that assuming both supras are identical in every way, the LS one will handle better.

It is a FACT due to center of gravity.

>>15249334
No they are not. You moron. I've been to junk yards and bought engines. The LS1 is anywhere from 500 to 1000, depending on condition. The japanese engine has not been imported, you said so in your earlier posts. And I have always maintained that it is cheaper to get the LS1. You fucking idiot.

Chronomaster Jones.

>>15249351
The ls1 can also be cheaply taken to 600hp.

A link was provided with MULTIPLE build paths to achieve this earlier.

>>15249337
Superior choice, maybe. For 10k. For 500 bucks at a scrapyard in the middle of Buttfuck Nowhere, New Mexico, the LS1 is a more feasible, effective choice.

>>15249357
Actually the more money you're spending, the better the LS gets.

If you spend 30 grand building and fitting a stupid LS, you'll get more benefit than a 2jz simply because of the inherent weight distribution/center of gravity advantages.

It's a better platform and once it's fitted, you can go wild upgrading in the future.

The 2jz is good, but still a heavy iron block, with weight further forward over the front axle.

>>15249357
A 500 ls1 lucky to be running on more than 4 cylinders maybe

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>>15249320
I think it's a matter of location. If it was anywhere else besides America, I would think it's pretty cool to see an LS engine inside of whatever domestic car they have. In America, EVERYONE drives a Camaro, lifted Chevy Silverados, Tahoes, Corvettes, Escalades. There's LS engines everywhere, and to see it swapped into something that you don't see every day is kind of shame considering if I wanted to see an LS engine bay, I would have just looked at a Corvette.

It's not a unique thing anymore.

>>15249367
Okay, you know what? Fucking fine! Anything to end the friendly fire. You're fucking right.

>>15249368
Guess what shithead? You buy a $500 engine, it's gonna run. You spend another 500 rebuilding that? It's gonna run wild all over that miserable piece of pig iron those slant-eyed bastards in Japan put out. If that engine was so good, it would be in EVERY car Toyota released for performance. 600HP and it costs next to nothing?! Toyota would flood the market with them!

Chronomaster Jones.

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>>15249334
> just resorting to logical fallacies after logical fallacy.
nice projection cunt

>Why would a car being engine swapped not have new coils and tires anyway?
because cost, dumb nigger

>Do you think anyone's stupid enough to put 600hp plus in a car and no traction?
yes, they are stupid enough to LS swap it

>>15249320
>A ls does not cost 5 grand, fucking top kek.
post a cheaper one, and it you better not post a shitty iron vortec one

LS3s are 4k and LS1 is 2k

>And that 2jz comes without turbo, intercooler...you will have to buy so much more.

you don't need to buy any of those because the 2JZ is already installed, you just need a turbo and intercooler, which you need to swap if you plan on making power anyway

just the turbo setup will cost the same as your LS swap cuck kit

>the cost will be pretty equal between the two to be honest.
lol
lets say your Turbo supra dropped a valve and spun a bearing, all you need to do is spend 2k and swap the block, whereas you will need to spend 2-4k on an LS 2k on the kit and extra 2k on other parts

you are a retard

>good performance wise
it is, shame its worse than modifying the JZ and the rest of the car tho

>>15249351
>literally no proof of said 500 engine

I pulled a 2JZ from a junkyard for 500 the other day, it even had the stock turbos

>The japanese engine has not been imported
the japanese engine is already imported you dumb nigger

> And I have always maintained that it is cheaper to get the LS1
according to ebay, it isn't
feel free to prove otherwise

you are a retard

>>15249356
>The ls1 can also be cheaply taken to 600hp.
so is a JZ with the added benefit of being already installed in the supra

>>15249378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVW1XxK9Azg

>>15249378
what the fuck are u on about?

this is a na supra, it does not have a intercooler and installed already

jesus

>>15249377
And it was in plenty of toyotas, idiot

If ls swap as any good everyone would be doing it but no that isn't the case
Deal with it

And stop signing your name newfaggot

>>15249378
I personally have pulled an S38B35 from the wreck of the USS Titanic.

Oh wait, I didn't. Because that's absurd. Have you seen the shear number of cars in this country with LS V8s? I also have a bunch of assholes saying that these V8's are EVERYWHERE! I can go on craigslist and find a crap camaro with an LS1 for less than 1500.

Chronomaster jones.

>>15249378
Just gonna weigh in to explain why you're a fuckwit.

Find us a cheap getrag turbo supra transmission.

Because for your 2jz swap, you're going to need one of those since the na transmission breaks at 400hp

Go on, find us a getrag tranny to bolt right on that's going to be cheaper than a t56 which are EVERYWHERE and good until 700

>>15249385
I'm trying to avoid confusion and friendly fire. It's bad enough putting up with you assholes without the assholes I agree with thinking I'm with you assholes. Also, kiss my ass it was. The fact of the matter is it wasn't in many on this side of the Pacific. And Toyota stopped making it. It wasn't that good.

Chronomaster Jones

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>>15249386
>Chronomaster Jones
Not the guy you're replying too, but stop signing your name. Use a tripcode, you summer fag.

>>15249393
BOOM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-94-98-Toyota-Supra-2JZ-GTE-Twin-Turbo-Engine-6-Speed-Getrag-Transmission-BOX-/141951601218?fits=Model%3ASupra

10K FOR THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION

I cannot believe this dumb cunt thinks making a NA supra into a turbo supra is easy?

My fucking god.

>>15249401
Yeah, but you're not having trouble identifying me, are you?
Also I've been here since 2008. I remember the shitstorm that was the Obama election

>>15249398
Toyota stopped because of new emissions regulations
Stop signing name you faggot autist

>>15247857
>anything mechanical

>German

Pick one

>>15249406
AHAHAHA holy fucking shit

funny how he neglects to mention how rare and expensive those trannies are now by comparison to a t56 that's everywhere.

oh look, your 2jz build's price is skyrocketing

let's add it up

2.5k for a engine with no turbos/intercooler/fuel/ecu
1k for fuel
1k for intercooler
2k for turbos
10K FOR TRANSMISSION

Meanwhile someone above costed the LS swap at 6 grand, including the kit and fully built engine.

Let's assume they were undercosting too and jack their price up to 10 grand.

FOR THE PRICE OF YOUR TRANSMISSION YOU ARE GETTING THE LS SWAP
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW CUNT? IT'S CHEAPER, EASIER DUE TO THE KIT REMOVING ALL THE HARD PARTS AND OVERALL BETTER DUE TO WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION

>>15249414
Yet GM kept using the pushrod v8s... You're full of it. And fuck you weeaboo.

>>15249393
Ever heard of a R154 tranny? Everyone knows the W58 in the NA supra is shit. Also, AR-5s are an alternative as well. G35/350z CD009 trannys have been known to be a good alternative for 2JZ swaps as they can ALSO handle up to 700HP. The V160 trannies are expensive and good, but they are soo many other transmission that can be used with the 2JZ just fine. Hell, T56 to 2JZ kits are being sold.

>>15249426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVW1XxK9Azg

Here's them doing a build with BRAND NEW PARTS. Comes in under 10k + 2k for the kit and 1k for beer to have mates help you.

Costs the fucking same.

>>15249426
Well, not quite what I was looking for, but I reckon this is better.

http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/5589708571.html

Big block V8. 1600. That's less than the 2.5k for the engine with nothing on it.

>>15249433
Yea, i've been reading this thread the whole time and i don't understand why the fuck this guy is so against LS swaps.

There's a lot of evidence in it's favor. Depending on how you build it can cost a bit less, or a bit more but you are paying about the same in the long run.

Comes with some cool benefits the iron block does not have too.

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>>15249377
> You buy a $500 engine
you still have to prove you can buy an LS engine for 500

>>15249381
>10k just to build the engine
>mfw a 2JZ, which is already installed in the supra can make as much power with just a new turbo
kek


>>15249384
>this in an NA supra
oh, so you just need a new turbo longblock, which can be bought for a thousand and a new turbo kit, which can be bought for like 3k ad another 500 for new studs and a gasket

there, now you can boost this engine to 500whp

>>15249406
>>15249426
>>15249433

wow you are FUCKING stupid

holy shit

thats expensive as fuck because its from a low mile supra supra

you can get a TURBO 2JZ with a 5 speed from an aristo for less than 4k

yes, engine and trans for 4k http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jdm-Toyota-Supra-2JZGTE-Engine-2JZGTE-Manual-Transmission-5-speed-Engine-2JZGTTE-/272248120110

what a pair fo dumb niggers

also

>10K FOR TRANSMISSION
>FOR THE PRICE OF YOUR TRANSMISSION YOU ARE GETTING THE LS SWAP

no nigger, that includes the engine
stop being stupid


>>15249436
>big block v8
enjoy your pigfat

>>15249439
Yep. All things considered once you've spent enough money, the LS is just better and sounds cooler too.

I don't dislike the 2jz, but you don't need to go this hard defending it. It is a good engine, but let's be honest mate it's not the fucking best and you know it.

There are better options if you're already lacking an engine, just admit it.

>>15249442
>>this in an NA supra
>oh, so you just need a new turbo longblock, which can be bought for a thousand and a new turbo kit, which can be bought for like 3k ad another 500 for new studs and a gasket
>
>there, now you can boost this engine to 500whp


Lol?

you need rods and pistons dipshit, the NA supra's shit is not good past 380hp.

It's nothing like it's turbo cousin.

>>15249442
And you have yet to prove you can buy a fully build J-Tin engine for less than 2k.

I can, of course, just SAY I went to a scrap yard and bought an LS1 for 499 us dollars, but I'm honest.

How about these, however:
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/pts/5558614279.html

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/pts/5614869136.html

http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/5628141578.html

http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/5624300831.html

Suck a butt, you weeaboo fagalope.

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ITT: Pushrod cucks BTFO

Don't even bother reading the rest. It's just GM fangirls anal ravaged that pushrods are inferior to DOHC.

>>15249446
> there are better options
Then where's all the ls swapped supras in comparison to 2jz supras? There are none

>>15249457
In America, where people can't just buy rare Jap engine blocks.

>>15249457
Not true at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tkM7cBmpF0

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>>15249439
>>15249433
>>15249430
>>15249426
>10k for a transmission

why are amerifat LS fangirls so fucking stupid?

is it a meme to be retarded?

is it some untold rule between you inbreed retards to be stupid or what?

several turbo 2JZ with stock 5 speed manual transmission can be had for less than 4K

the getrag 6 speed is expensive because it comes from a supra, there is no reason to use one when you can use a 5 speed

fucking retarded, it must be the fluor in your water


>>15249451

>you need rods and pistons dipshit
no you don't, because you are getting a longblock, do you even know what the meaning of longblock is, dumb kid?

>>15249453
you cannot build an aluminkum LS3 to 600whp for less than 2k to begin with

>LS7 longblock
lol, needs like 4k in parts

>ebay kitted turbo setup
kek

>iron longblock with no intake, wiring or anything
trash, as heavy as a JZ and just as expensive as the complete JZ in the image

>last one
might be good, still looks like shit and just as expensive as a clean JZ

>>15249466
I imported my 13b from the US and a friend imported his 20B from the US awell, you are a retard

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>>15249453
>literal trash

kek, you are such a fucking retard

>>15249473
Actually, the 6 speed tranny is the good one that can hold itself till around 900hp

That's why people want it so badly.

Also, you fucking idiot. The turbo supra rods are not invincible, they need to be fucking replaced past a point. That's what he's talking about.

>>15249446
>LS swap is better
citation neede

>>15249473
I'd be inclined to believe you if you had any real experience with cars. But instead you keep insisting the engine you saw in the Fags and The Fagilicious are god-like. And where do you live, dipshit? You're not an American? Well guess what? That means you don't live in an area where they have a million goddamned v8's per square mile.

>>15249484
>>15249484
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?425542-Definitive-LSx-Supra-thread-what-why-how

>This swap is inteded for people looking to:
-add more displacement, low end torque
-lose a few pounds off the front end of their car, improve handling
-provide an alternative to NA or NA-T cars
-improve gas mileage both around town and on the highway

This thread was also prior to the kit coming out which removed 90% of the fuckery in that thread and made it easy as cake (it's now a bolt in affair)

>>15249484
According to their fictitious cost figures it is lol

>>15249489
See following thread
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?425542-Definitive-LSx-Supra-thread-what-why-how

Here's your citation, you slant-eyed gook freak.

>>15249489
What's fictitious about the video we posted?

We literally linked a brand new parts build of a ls3 from scratch. 10k.

You can get cheaper if you don't buy fresh from factory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVW1XxK9Azg
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/project-cars/sucp-0805-ls-engine-power-packages/

>It's obviously possible to exceed 600 flywheel horsepower with a normally aspirated LS1, but life is so much easier with forced induction. Rather than go the wild cam, high-compression, or even large-displacement route, simply adding a supercharger to an otherwise mild LS1 will result in some serious power. Exceeding 600 flywheel horsepower is no problem; in fact, this modified LS1 managed to exceed 600 wheel horsepower (closer to 700 at the flywheel) running just 10 psi of boost. Credit the efficiency and power potential of the Kenne Bell twin-screw supercharger for the impressive power. The test motor featured a 5.7L LS1 short-block equipped with LS6 heads and cam. The motor exhaled through the stock LS6 titanium exhaust. Run on the Dynojet chassis dyno, the Kenne Bell supercharged Vette produced 600 wheel horsepower and 658 lb-ft of torque. How does 500 lb-ft of torque at just 2,000 rpm sound? If you put your foot in this bad boy's throttle, you'd better be sure the wheels are pointed in the right direction.
How about you provide some fucking source on your costings for your 2jz build, if you want to prove that it's cheaper with everything added up? We've provided plenty of source showing how the LS is simply the better motor the more money you end up spending. Higher top end, more torque, better handling, nicer sound.

Not only does it cost match a meh tier 2jz on equal power, it's also delivering more torque and better handling at the same time.

If you spend more money than the bare basics, the gap widens and the LS only gets better.

>>15249492
Doesn't say it's better. Just says it's a lot of effort to swap in an ls1 that makes hardly any more power over a stock 2jz

>>15249507
In an engine that's lighter and and more conducive to cheap tuning. Also, widely available. And stock for stock, sure. Not much more power. How much more torque? A fuck ton.

>>15249506
>658 lb-ft of torque

Would like to see a 2jz do that.

>>15249507
See this is how we know you're a fast and furious meme kid.

There is more to an engine than just power.

At that price, they make equal power, yes.
More effort, yes.
Cost is the same, because the kit removes any need for fabrication, it's a bolt in affair.

Now the benefits.

>Better power band
>Better handling
>Nicer sound
>Gas mileage is better when cruising around (it can sit in idle on the freeway and sip gas)
>Lighter
>MORE TORQUE. LOWER DOWN. A LOT MORE TORQUE.

>>15249483
>the 6 speed tranny is the good one that can hold itself till around 900hp
funny because there are thousands of aristos, chasers, mark IIs all over japan and australia with stock 5 speeds withstanding 600 horses

>>15249487
you are a retard

fell free to prove you can buy a 600hp $500 dollar LS

sorry but you are wrong and a faggot

>>15249488
that doesn't prove its better tho

for the cost of swapping the engine(10k), you can build a 2JZ, modify the suspension, and tires, considering you can buy a JZ for 4k and it will bolt right in, you are left with 6k extra to spend on suspension and tires

try again

>>15249492
get a load of this dumb americuck, thats not a citation, that doesn't prove an LS swapped supra is better by any means

again for the cost of a STOCK LS swap (10K) you can modify the supra to be much faster

and if you want a 600-700whp, LS add another (10k) according to >>15249433


JUST sapping a turbo JZ costs 4k, and you just need a new turbo kit to make 600hp

you are left with 12k to spend on suspension, chassis braces and tires

>>15249506
>10k for an engine
>10k to swap it in

>How about you provide some fucking source on your costings for your 2jz build
you can buy a 2JZ turbo with trans for 4k, then a turbo, fuel and ecu
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?677742-Want-700-HP-on-Stock-engine-what-parts-to-change

>the LS only gets better.
lol

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How in the fuck did this thread turn into 2JZ supra vs LS supra... this is almost as bad as the rotary vs ls swap threads.

>>15248991

I think you opened up Pandora's diarrhea filled anus. although with the rotary vs ls swap threads that shit would see arguments last all fucking night. (or at least the worst one i saw did)

>>15249515
>torque?
>A fuck ton
needed to tow your fat american ass around lel

>>15249518
you are a retard

read this >>15249521

dollar for dollar, it is cheaper to modify the whole car than to spend 20k dropping a 600 horses LS

>>15249521
Arguing with you is like strangling a boulder. With autism. And a tiny penis. It's not worth doing, yet it feels so good. Also, that 4k engine+trans combo is going to get torn apart within a few runs. That's kind of what happened to my friend's Supra.

>>15249522
Yep. You are right. Run away while you can.

>>15249515
I've been lurking, he has to be trolling by this point. I don't personally agree as a purist, but you guys have provided plenty of source showing it's benefits and that it can be around the same price range.

I agree entirely there is a lot more to an engine than it's power figures and as much as i love the amazing 2jz-GTE there are flaws with it, it's by no means a perfect engine (neither is the LS).

>>15249521
4k to bolt it in...and then what about your intercooler and turbos? This discussion is about a NA supra, if you don't remember.

Also your ebay auction was 4.5k, by the way.

Your coilover argument is fucking bullshit as who has a supra running on stock coils anyway? I find it impossible to believe the car would not already be coming with coils.

>>15249522
Yea, the truth hurts though. He was right on everything in his initial post though, right down to it being shit in the GTR for specific reasons as well.

Anyway, i think it's a cool idea.

>>15249518
At that price they don't make equal power, the 2jz can make a lot more power than the cost of swapping an ls1

Low end torque is irrelevant
No one drives around fast at 3000rpm

>>15249534
Oh, by all means, I am not one of the LS family's supporters. I am not a purist either, but I never claimed it was perfect. I doubt there is a perfect engine.

As for the trolling, I'm 90% sure you are right, but I am 100% sure that he deserves to be insulted.

>>15249532
It does not cost 20k, you fuckwit.

They provided costings well below 20k.

If they got brand new parts, with a LS3, they would be in the ballpark of 13k.

If they shopped around, of course that price is going to drop.

>>15249539
Where are your costings?

They provided proof of 13k, tell me how you're going to get 600hp under 13k when..

>Your engine costs 4.5k, without turbos, ecu, fuel

Remember, this is going in a NA supra so you're going to have to re-buy everything. A lot of NA supra parts are just not capable of holding that level of power.

>>15249539
>Low end torque is irrelevant
This is how we know you're a dumb cunt mate.

The LS will pull ahead off the line way faster while you're still spooling.

>>15249552
It is irrelevant.

>>15249546
And that is engine alone, you (insert racist slur here) bastard, your 10K tranny is gonna set you back a bit. Especially since that miserable little 5 speed is gonna have its anus torn asunder by a 600hp engine.
>>15249539

>>15249555
Another anon already posted a 2jzgte and transmission for 4k

> 10k transmission
Lol keep trying

>>15249555
The 6 speed is great, it's good for high HP...it's just rare as shit and 10k now.

The 5 speed is common but he is delusional to think it's going to last at hp levels above 600.

>>15249559
The 6 is about 10k. See literally, the next post.

You know, this one: >>15249560

>>15249559
They are different transmissions.

One's good, which is why it's 10k.

The other one can't handle that level of HP. It was never built for going that high (the 10k one was)

>>15249563
Which post? Show me this 10k transmission please

> inb4 overpriced low mileage 2jzgte+6speed combo

What the fuck is a LS?

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>>15249533
>mad he cannot prove an LS swap is cheaper
kek, I accept your defeat cuck

>Also, that 4k engine+trans combo is going to get torn apart within a few runs. That's kind of what happened to my friend's Supra.
nice bullshit


>>15249534
>>15249546

>4k to bolt it in...and then what about your intercooler and turbos?
still cheaper than 4k for an LS and trans plus 4k needed for the kit

you can get a turbo and intercooler for 2k-3k

>Also your ebay auction was 4.5k
the other was was less than 4k >>15249473

>Your coilover argument is fucking bullshit
it isn't, sorry


> who has a supra running on stock coils anyway?
I don't think you understand kid

you need 10k to swap an LS dn then another 10k to bolt it in, according to the video you cunts provided

20k just to have 600hp

all you need in the case of an NA supra is the 4k engine, the turbo, a standalone ecu and new fuel you dont need anything else

it doesnt cost more than 7k to swap an NA supra

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-387639.html
>I did my CARB-legal swap for 7k.

BTFO cuck

>>15249545
stay mad cuck

>>15249555
see above

>engine
4k, i provided screenshots

>your 10k tranny
thats the cost of a complete 6 speed turbo engine supra drvetrain dumb nigger, a 2JZ with a 5 speed costs 4k, see above

tell me now, because i am beggining to worry, are you trolling? because i refuse to belive you are this fucking stupid

>>15249560
>he is delusional to think it's going to last at hp levels above 600
prove it will explode at 600 then faggot

>>15249563
>>15249565
there is an engine attached to that transmission, which is why it costs 10k

i have posted two engine + trans for 4k

what a pair of inbreeed retards top kek

Low end torque is amazing for driving around the city. Since we're discussing 600hp cars, they're obviously street cars so why the fuck would you not want to enjoy the benefits of that?

>>15249570
See >>15249406

He linked it here.

>>15249565
Listen, he's obviously trolling. So I say we fight back by using the same methods. Instead of saying the transmission is 10k, as it is, we increase the number by 1k every time he denies it. Then we chastise him for not proving us wrong.

>>15249570
You're a fucking weeaboo fag white boy who licks butt and wants to be Paul Walker in The Fat and the Fagilicious.

Take you and your 11k tranny elsewhere.

>>15249573
Literal Shit, an overpriced engine adored by redneck hicks

>>15249576
Wall of text. You are assmad as shit.

For the record, stop making up lies. I've been reading this whole thread and the kit was linked, it costs 2 grand not 10 grand.

You want to actually debate, then fucking post some of your own sources, because right now you are BTFO and we're all laughing at your walls of text.

>>15249578
That's an engine and trans for under 10k
Show me this 10k trans please

>>15249579
Holy tuck the newtrip is actually this mad
Roflmao

>>15249573
It's the General Motors family of V8's

>>15248066
An '89-'93 1UZ-FE and A340E trans out of an LS400 with a twin turbo setup would be better. In my opinion, at least. With better head gaskets and head studs, you can hit 450-500 without too much trouble

>>15249584
Oh, I saw it. It went up to 12k. It's super expensive. You cuck motherfucking newfaggot nigger.

>>15249585
What's so good about it?

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>>15249579
>Resorts to trolling.

Okay, looks like the LS shills have lost. We take the win for the night. See you in the other LSx vs (Insert Modern Engine here) threads later. It was fun :)

>>15249583
> stop making up lies
HE isn't the one saying the 6speed supra transmission is 10k and ls1 engines are $100

>>15249590
How much can you find one for?

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>>15249578
>He linked it here

that is an engine + trans combo

you can use a 5 speed from an aristo or a soarer

seriously kid, its clear you are a retard, stop trying

>>15249579
>not proving us wrong.
you are such a dumb nigger

see above of this post

>>15249583
>too scared of reading a post that proves his retarded ass wrong

I also accept your defeat faggot

If you want me to keep proving you wrong, go ahead, reply in a proper manner, otherwise you can leave

> it costs 2 grand
the kit, you still need a shitload of parts to make the LS work

learn a thing or two about engines

>then fucking post some of your own sources
I already did, stay mad you got proved wrong

Gonna weigh in, as i have a supra (just bought it and will be doing stuff to it soon) i find it really fucking amusing this cunt is talking as if he has any idea of supras.

>Muh japanese 9000 times folded engine

That is what you literally sound like. It's cool, i love my supra but fuck man, you are just making up outright lies about how much HP specific parts can hold.

Proof coming in a second, gonna find my phone and show some photos.

This faggot hating on the LS swap has no reason to get this assmad, especially since he has no idea what he's even talking about.

>>15249592
> getting more mad
Rolfmao it keeps getting better
Let's see if you can count to over 9000, booty blasted autist

Gonna weigh in, as i have a supra (just bought it and will be doing stuff to it soon) i find it really fucking amusing this cunt is talking as if he has any idea of supras.

>Muh merikkan 9000 times folded engine

That is what you literally sound like. It's cool, i love my supra but fuck man, you are just making up outright lies about how much HP specific parts can hold.

Proof coming in a second, gonna find my phone and show some photos.

This faggot hating on the stock JZ swap has no reason to get this assmad, especially since he has no idea what he's even talking about.

>>15249602
The 2jz can make 600hp on stock pistons and rods
I don't see how that anon is making up outright lies

>>15249594
Not much, honestly. It's light, but it's also kind of old. It's large displacement, and it's common as shit.

>>15249595
What, can't take your own medicine, cucktard?

>>15249605
OH NO! YOU KNOW MY SECRET! I AM A BOOTY BLASTED AUTIST! OH NO! THE FEELZ!!!!11!!

But seriously, a 13k transmission and a 6k engine are no way to build a cheap street racer.

You cuck fucker faggot autist with fat folds for a nose.

>>15249609
It's also rarer than a hen's tooth.

>>15247845
Rather a hipster than a snore.

>muh EYTSH PEE PURR DOLLERRRR
>muh doing the same crap as ten million cunts before you
>muh gallery of LS swaps at meets

>>15249612
> trying this hard to troll
Too sad to roflmao at
get help kid

>>15249609
Only the getrag can hold that much power and the rods are on borrowed time at that point friend.

You are going to want to be upgrading to make sure it's stable, you sure as hell don't just "up the boost" past 550.

There's also fuel upgrades and various other things needed.

I don't see why this thread is such a fucking issue. The LS swap is not bad, it's a good idea for someone with a blown engine who wants a v8. It has it's upsides and downsides are mostly related to gas costs.

On the other hand the 2jz-GTE is great to build, but let's be fucking real, you have to actually build it. It does not magically just take power.

>>15249618
Would it be better or worse if I said I wasn't really trying? It's not like the whole 4chan troll thing is hard to do. You just string together cuck, faggot, autist, fat, and neckbeard until you have something new.

You fat neckbeard fag-jew-cuck.

I forgot Jew.

>>15249626
Dude, it's 4chan. We're like a collection of Trumps who disagree on everything except that somebody there is a faggot. And we disagree on who is the faggot.

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>>15249612
>he actually can't deal with the fact that people proved you can swap an NA supra for less than 7k >>15249576
and a JZ with trans costing 4k >>15249473

KEK
E
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the LS cuck is OFFICIALLY butthurt

>>15249616
it isn't, you can get one delivered at your dorr for 4k

>>15249626
the 5 speed an hanlde power just fine, just dont drop the clutch at every stoplight, if you want to, you can get new gears anyway

>you sure as hell don't just "up the boost" past 550.
its better to use a single turbine, but thats basically what you do

>>15249628
kek, triggered hard as fuck

>>15249626
The one person who actually owns a supra makes a good point. Why the fuck are you cunts arguing about this?

Both the LS and 2jz are great, pick which one you like, there are benefits to both.

>newtrip ls fanboy thinks you can buy a 600hp ls from a junkyard for $500 and that buying a 2jz+6speed costs 14k
TOP KEK CANT MAKE THIS UP

>>15249635
Hello Pot, my name is Kettle.

Take your 20k transmission out of here. Psh, 7k for an engine swap? More like 7 gays for a cum swap! Haha, genius.

>>15249635
No, it's not what you do. You build the engine with the appropriate parts including rods/pistons/injectors/fuel rail and then up the boost.

I actually own a supra and am so over seeing people in youtube comments saying "you just put more boost in and it will kill that lambo lellll" like that's all that goes into it.

It's awesome, the 2jz-GTE is fucking great...but can we stop pretending it's something it's not?

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>>15249637
>first it as the s10 dumbass
>then the other newtrip who couldn't deal with aluminium rotors being lighter than an LS
>now this dumb hick

KEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEK

LS fangirls are LITERALLY dumb

MEME MAGIC

>>15249636
>>15249645
>>15249626
>>15249610

/thread

No, really. There's no arguing against this. You're all sperging out over something that has no right or wrong answer.