ITT: Shit people do to their cars that really grinds your gears

>>15246784
they bought it for the chassis dumbass

Making a car objectively better is bad now?

>>15246789
not the OP, but putting a Chevy boat anchor in the nose is going to cancel that out somewhat

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When millenials decide that their car needs more bass than horsepower.

>>15246805
>this clueless
13B TT is pigfat dude

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>>15246784
>Fucktards who buy a rotary only to get rid of the rotary
even if it's an RX-8?

>>15246805
all the plumbing and turbo accessories makes it weigh almost as much as an ls1

>>15246790
Of course not. You're not accomplishing that by putting that lump of american pig iron in the front of your RX7, though.

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>>15246790
>>15246789
All the fastest FDs are 13B powered

>>15246817
>>15246823
Maybe if you guys wish really hard that might actually become true.

>>15246784
Fuck I can't wait for the first rx9 lsx swap.
Just to see you dorrito fuckers bitch and moan about it

>>15246811
>MY STEREO HAS MORE POWER THAN MY ENGINE

>>15246819
Rotaries are the easiest engines in the world to rebuild, and if you really hate the RENESIS(like any reasonable person should), just swap in a 13B TT or a 20B instead.

Seriously, anyone that cops out for an LS1 over a 20B has no respect for the car they bought.

>>15246825
Better than the gook slag that was in it before.

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Donks. Donks. DONKS.

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea, and why the actual FUCK did this catch on?

I hate modern society.

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>>15246805

did some quick googling, someone correct me if i'm wrong

>13B-REW with turbo's: ~410 lbs
>ls3: ~400lbs

>>15246811
Hey, if I start putting turbos and shit into my 1.4 shitbox, my insurance is going to through the roof, and it's already way too expensive as it is. At least I can listen to Strapping Young Lad in better clarity without having to pay extra for the privilege of owning better speakers.

>>15246857
because niggers

>>15246857
"Niggers"

>>15246811

It's like I am in 2005 when that was actually a thing.

>>15246784
>Fucktards who buy a rotary only to get rid of the rotary

Rotaries suck ass, apex seals eat away and you need to treat the engine like a two stroke for it to last.

Also

>being this mad about what people do with their own shit

OP you're a faggot

>>15246830
It's true dude. LS is hardly a boat anchor, it's all aluminum and has a plastic intake manifold

>LS Is a boat anchor
>muh light rotary

Rotaries aren't that light and you fags keep mistaking the Vortec for the LS

>>15246828

Yeah.. Sorry, but no.

https://youtu.be/ORHRkUCisLY

>>15246784

The whole Veedub shockersticker plastering, MONSTER sticker, vape subculture.

The Bippu/VIP subculture.

>>15246915
>inb4 he says he means 13B based

>>15246901
> rotaries aren't that light
13b with aluminum housings weighs less than 300lb

>>15246893
>Apex seals eat away

Only if you're a moron and don't do regular maintenance, or try to force more compression in it than it can handle, see also: every other engine in existence

Apex seals can easily last well over 200km, and you only have to do oil changes every 5k, like you should be doing on every car anyway. Only way they'll blow out early is if you try to force more power out of it, and frankly what engine won't blow if you try to force more power out of it without rebuilding it with performance parts?

>>15246915
>>15246828
Was going to say, love the 13B, but all the fastest FDs are 3 or 4 rotor powered.

Still not piston powered, though.

>>15246805
>>15246825
>>15246901
5.3 vortec engines are all aluminum sleeved blocks just like ls engines. The heads have smaller ports and the cam has a different profile

>>15246937
LM7 and LQ4 are iron blocks. 5.3 and 6.0 respectively

>>15246958
why doesn't anyone talk shit about RB-series engines being heavy as fuck?

>>15246923
Yeah with aluminum housings, duh. Stock FD has iron housings.

>>15246789
Why not go fuck up a Supra, Skyline, MX5 or something else instead? Half the reason you buy an RX7 is because of the unique engine. Taking that out just ruins the whole experience.

>>15246979
caring about what others do with their money. stop being autistic.

>>15246979
Because it's a meme swap
Who cares about lhd imports anyway

>>15246972
or 2JZs

and that's because they're meme L6s

People think that the 8.4L SRT10 is huge but it's actually not that much bigger than an LS. They also think LS's are huge as fuck because they're usually over 5L.

Benchracers and 12 year olds

>>15246972
because they are not butthurt over those particular engines

>>15246979
I care because these shitters aren't going to own those cars forever, and thanks to them, less people are going to be able to own proper rotary powered RX7s in the future. Literally ruining it for everyone.

>>15246784
It's better now though. Rotary is garbage

>>15247011
poorfag detected

Daily reminder a chebby engine has never ever won Le mans

>>15247011
The engines they take out also have to go somewhere, so there's more 13Bs around to swap into your Miata.

>>15246972
JZ and RB swaps are equally as bad as LS swaps. Only acceptable swap is rotary for rotary. Toss out your renesis or 12a for a 13B or 20B.

>>15246811
Ah. Brings back memories of being just another dickhead p plater

>>15246784
niggers will stick wheels on literally anything. oh and i learned that they fucking rent them half the time lmfao theres a shop in the next city over that fucking leases dubs and other nog shit like that

>>15246958
The L33 is all aluminum. Its found in extended cab silverados. And only in 05 to 07 models. They had 10.1 compression. If you can find one buy it. O and it weighs about 100 pounds less than than the iron blocks

>>15246837
>price doesn't come into the decision at all

>>15246881
>back in 2005

When did it stop being a thing? Kids still put subs in their civics, golfs, and corollas, and still blast shitty music with their windows rolled down.

>>15247023
Chevy won last year.

I once bought a 787B in Gran Turismo :D

>>15247041
What's the cost of a crate LS? You can get a servicable 20B for anywhere from 5-8k, then tack on another 1-2k for a rebuild. You'll be better off than if you had gone with the LS swap too.

>>15247032
>renting this shit out

I'm both surprised and not surprised. Surprised that there was a market to begin with, but not surprised that niggers are too poor to afford to actually build one of these themselves.

>>15247046
Nope try again

>>15247055
20b is waste if money compared to just leaving the 13b

>>15247055
In my country? Crate ls3 is about 4-5k. But I'd go with a wrecked ss for the ls2 and can pick a wreck for like 2-3k
And in this place you'd be lucky to find a 20b set up let alone find it for less than a 5 digits price

>>15247072
Where do you live where a crate ls3 us that cheap
They're 8k in America

>>15247055
>you can get a serviceable 20B for anywhere from 5-8k, then tack on another 1-2k for a rebuild

bro just shut up. A 20b isn't selling for less than 9Kusd anywhere outside of maybe japan. A 2K rebuild is not going to get you good seals, or quality port work.

>>15247071
If for some reason you think the 13B is too limp(I know, right), then you're better off tracking down a 20B over any V8 swap. You've still got a rotary in your RX, and the 20B has absolutely monstrous potential with very little effort required to bring it out.

>>15247055
A lsx 5.3 or 6.0 is about 500 bucks out of a boneyard. 2 to 5k for a crate engine depending on where you get it.
A 2k block is a jasper rebuild though

>>15247086
Sorry. Meant ls1. Didn't mean to get hopes up

>>15247071
>nope
yup

>>15247095
> A 2K rebuild is not going to get you good seals, or quality port work.
You have no idea what you're talking about

>>15247095
No shit? Frankly you're a retard if you don't import a blown 20B straight from the elevens themselves. It's the cheapest option, and you're going to want to build it up to your spec anyway, so someone else's $10k+ built engine is useless to you.

>>15247113
Chebby has never ever won the 24h if Le man's

>>15247113
Nope.

>inb4 muh class wins
Doesn't count.

>>15247023
They also didn't come in with an engine so good they had to ban it from all future 24H races. What engine, you lot may be wondering? You guessed it, the "unreliable" dorito you guys love to meme on.

>>15247136
uh yea they did, they won their class last year.

>>15247099
Lsx's are the same way. Go look up lsx willys, beater bomb, fr8train, lsx miata,on youtube.

>>15247151
Class wins aren't overall wins

>>15247151
>muh class wins
Doesn't count.

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>>15246936
Nope, wrong. The 2-rotor 13B powered Revolution FD3S laps Tsukuba in 53.6s. No 3-rotor or 4-rotor even comes close.

>>15247168
meme track

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>>15246784
>mfw rotards get triggered by swaps
>mfw anybody gets triggered by an LS swap
and I don't even like the LS tee-bee-h

>>15247174
It has a combination of hairpins, s-turns, long straights, and high speed sweeping sections. It's literally one of the best tracks for testing a car's overall performance.

>>15247174
Meme damage control
It's the top time attack track in Japan for a reason

>>15246784
When poorfags try to live beyond their means by buying high-end cars, but then skimp on quality maintenance, replacement parts, and tires. Like when scenesters buy an E46 M3 and then instead of quality rubber like Michelin PSS, they put Kumho all-seasons or some shit.

>>15247160
>>15247166
Lemans has different classes retards, chevy dominates the GTE pro, they took gold last year.

>>15247208
Not that I'd ever neglect proper maintenance, but why the fuck should your rubber matter? Unless you plan to track the car, why not just get the cheapest all seasons you can find? Literally wasting money.

>>15247211
>muh class wins
Doesn't count.

>>15247160
>>15247166
How are you guys this retarded? The Corvette won GTE. Of course it didn't win the overall race, because Corvette wasn't fielding any LMP monsters.

Just because Corvette won in GTE doesn't mean the road cars are any good though.

>>15247238
>butthurt he got proved wrong
k

>>15247229
this is b8

>>15247251
> he thinks placing behind a dozen plus other cars is a win
It isn't

>>15247229
>Why the fuck should your rubber matter?

It's like you never go on the tooj breh
Owning a performance car is pointless if the single thing connecting it to the ground is trash.

>>15247249
>>15247251
>GM can't compete in LMP so they have to pick a class no one cares about instead
KEK!

>>15247265
If you're going to hoon it around the backroads anyway, you're going to wear them down faster and essentially blow that money you spent on expensive tires.

Plus, it's a bit easier to go dagumi mode if you've got cheap rubber on, assuming you're not a clot and know how to keep it together when it does break loose.

>>15246857
Niggers are too poor to do it to trucks.

>>15247265
Only try hards use expensive tires on the touge
Decent cheap rubber exists and is more than up to the task. Also you can burn through them without hurting your pocket as much. Relying on muh semi slicks on the street means you're a shit cunt and can't drive anyway

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>>15247211
>being proud of getting a gold medal in the special olympics instead of the real deal

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>>15247283
>>15247304
b8

>>15246784
It's more reliable and faster now.
What's the problem?
I could understand ppl getting upset if someone LS swapped a ferrari or something good.

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>>15247336
>ferrari
>good

>>15247028
>dorito fanboyism

>>15247266
>>15247310
you should really read up on what GTE class is.

>>15247336
> more reliable
nope

> faster
Double nope

>>15247345
yea, but at least it's supercar brand. Mazda is just an economy brand. Swapping out a mazda engine is nothing to get asshurt over.

>>15247383
>just an economy brand

I...just...can't deal with this right now.

>>15247383
Mazda has won Le mans, that makes it a super racer car brand
chebby hasn't

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>>15247383
>just an economy brand
>the FD was priced to compete with Porsche
>the Cosmo was priced to compete with the R32/R33 GTR

>>15247406
not really. mazda doesnt' make supercars. I don't even think they make sports cars anymore.
It's an economy brand now

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>>15247406
>https://youtu.be/7Q0x0MzvG7Y
>4 rotor
>N/A
>2 litres with 600HP

Your move GM

>>15247447
Not meant to quote but still your move GM

>>15246866
Your insurance changes if you add stuff to your car? I only ask because mine doesnt

>>15247430
are those like old cars or something? mazda doesn't compete with porshe at all

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>>15247491

>>15246858
But a fully assembled 13B-REW gives you the opportunity for much more power by simply upgrading seals (often can be lighter) and cranking up boost.
With an LS3, you're building N/A power, and that will add more weight for pretty much anything you do to the engine.

>>15247491
No shit Sherlock. Not sure about the new RX-Vision. Seems like some manufacturers like Renault and Alfa are getting back into the game along with Toyota possiblly.

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>>15247508
some austrailia race that no ones heard of?
w o w

>>15247526
concept cars never happen
toyota is an economy company as well

>shit that grinds your gears

I got one. Doritofags and chebbycucks being equally delusional.

>>15247535
>Not knowing about Bathurst, both the 12h and the 1000...

Dumbfuck

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>>15247598
>Toyota is an economy company

Okay, I'll bite.

>>15247514
Cam swap in aLS3 nets over 500Hp
headers and a tune is 550hp without adding any weight.

it's not heavy for how big the displacement is.

>>15247619
literally no one cares about some obscure race in australia with out of production cars
sry

>>15246972
JDM kids don't want USA v8s in their cars. they make up bullshit like "weight balance" as an excuse.

my cousin swapped a RB26 into his 240sx, and it's close to 100Lbs heavier than a LS1.
he got super defensive when I told him how much that RB acually weighed.

>>15246805
LS1 swapped RX7s DO NOT change the weight split.
yes, the balance is UNCHANGED
i repeat, UNCHANGED

>>15247630
that;s a lexus not a toyota.
it doesn't perform all that well either. slowest in its category fo sho

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>>15247662
Baiting brandfags as well as calling out the GTR defense force? Quality work.

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>>15247630

>>15247673
that bench post is wrong, R35s don't run 10.8 in the 1/4
they run 11.2-11 flat every time like clockwork.

even the GTR GISMO runs 11.1 with 600hp.

>>15247661
does the 26 in rb26 stand for 2.6 liters? the ls1 is 5.7 liters and lighter haha
>>15247671
thanks but whos GTR? is that the car slower than corvettes but costs twice as much?
I hope honda makes a new s2000 soon

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>spending 10s of hours and thousands more to get a homemade C5 rather than just buying one

what the fuck is the point?

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>>15247685
>this assmad

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>>15247692

>>15247692
the RB26 is an iron i6 block with heavy internals, HUGE mains, and thick castings.
the LS1 is all aluminum OHV v8.
rb26 with turbo-577lbs
LS1 dressed-385lbs

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>>15247707
adds 60 horsepower
slower in the 1/4 mile

what was Nissan thinking?

10.4 stock-

>>15247726
>stock
[citation needed]

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>>15247729
100% stock
forums were skeptical at first as well.

the fastest stock ZR1 went 10.71.
this car with a faster 8 speed and more power isn't a stretch.

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>>15247781
[citation needed]

>>15247715
wow that's alot of extra weight
inline layout has a high center of gravity as well no?

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>>15247784
do i need to spoon feed you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H34FHs9Pddw

>>15247786
And DOHC, too.
Basically inline 6 engines are a pigfat, impractical meme configuration and pushrod V8s are the king of packaging/displacement per pound.

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>>15247794
>stock

>>15247715
> 385lb
Lol no

>>15247798
That's why pushrods v8s are used in only one "performance" car

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>>15247800
ZR1 are just 0.3 sec away broski
the 8 speed and better power curve account for the 10.42 bone stock.

>>15247825
DOHC can produce power from smaller displacements, but at the cost of low-end torque, meaning you have to rev the piss out of them to get any kind of power from them.
Still, higher numbers look better and in countries cucked by displacement taxes the only way to make decent power is DOHC.

>>15247836
>corvette
>better
https://youtu.be/iP92zKY9vKE

>>15247838
> meaning you have to rev the piss out of them to get any kind of power from them
Retard

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>>15247847
>Can't run 10.4 stock
>posts a race VS a C5 corvette instead
Kek

have fun racing a car from 1997

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>>15247861
>claims it's faster
>gets BTFO!
>gets mad

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>V8 vs 2 rotor pissing contest converts into a GTR vs Vette argument

Never change, /o/

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>>15246784

>1 BADD 7

>>15246805
Fucking retard detected, alloy LS motors are actually very light.

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>Literal Shit weights the same as a rotary

love this meme

GM fangirls are literally delusional

>>15248192
Where are the exhausts turbo and intercooler because it doesn't run N/A to make decent power.

>>15248200
>p-port
>not N/A

stay retarded faggot

LS1 swaps, most of the time youre swapping an OHC engine for a shitty pushrod and your S14/FC sounds gay as fuck when it rolls in with a V8

>>15248211
>LS3
>600hp N/A
>450lbs dressed

>13b
>not dressed
>dry weight
>109lbs
>300hp

to make 600hp it'll need a turbo, intercooler and headers and an intake runner.

Where did I say heads you retard?

is /o/ just full of 12 year olds or something?

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>>15248232
>to make 600hp it'll need a turbo

or just add two extra rotors, dumb nigger

there you go, 200lb and 600hp

>>15248258
200kg

You don't even know the weight of the motor you're posting, nor the horsepower.

The YR26B was 200kg dressed which is 440lbs.

You can't read yet somehow I'm the nigger.

>>15247229
You clearly never ever owned a performance car. B8 go away

>>15248279
>200kgs
read >>15248192

it says 109 pounds

one hundred and nine pounds

100+9 lbs

considering you dont need two front and back end plates, yes 200lbs and 600hp

YOU can't read

>>15248232
I think your numbers are off, desu senpai.

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>>15248232
>LS3
>Dressed

>13b
>Not dressed

>>15248293
>posts 787
>gets called out for his shit
>does not understand what dry vs dressed means
>thinks the YR26B was just two 13Bs strapped together

top fuckin kek.

http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg03.htm

>>15248012
Further proves every time it's the Chevy retards have to bring it up. They derail the thread like parasites. And everytime they BTFO by gtr. Why do they want to repeat this?

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>>15248310
Wait a second, let mee see if I get this right:

you are too stupid to realize that the weight of the engine in your link has stock iron components whereas this one >>15248192 has aluminium ones, which is why it weights 109lbs
you are also too stupid to understand all aluminium YR26B would weight more or less double of what an all aluminium 2 rotor engine weights, meaning 200lbs, even less, since you dont need exactly double the amount of parts

anything else I am missing?

I'll try again, an all aluminium, 4 rotor engine capable of 600hp, weights 200lbs which is half of what an all aluminium pushrod v8 weights

Is it clear now, or are you literally braindead?

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>>15248310
>9000 euros for a hand built 4 rotor engine

Fuck the 20B, I know what's going in my dream car now.

>>15248363
I'm telling you, that 13B isn't dressed,

Doesn't have sparkplugs, the intake, fuel injection system, alternator or anything installed.

It's just rotors in their Chambers. This is what I mean when I say it isn't fucking dressed.

It's like if somone posted an LS with just the block, pistons, crank, heads and cam installed and claim it's a 350 pound engine.

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>>15248378
>that 13B isn't dressed

I mean sure but first of all that is completly unrelated to the fact that your dumbass quoted stock iron 4 rotor weight thinking thats relevant, second the parts needed dont even add 30 lbs

besides thats not the fucking point, the problem is you tought quoting the weight of a mazda R26B was a good idea, and totally forgot about the fact that a 4 rotor engine made out of aluminium parts is 200lbs more or less, since you don't need an extra alternator, two front plates or back plates, i can see it weighting at 215lbs

you are a retard, my point still stands, an LS doesn't weight the same as a rotary, even a turbo aluminium 13b would be lghter considering turbo and plumbing add around 100lbs

>>15248378
>Implying an intake and injectors is going to weigh 200lb

>>15248424
Is dressed considering dry weight, or loaded up with oil/coolant as well? I mean, I know it won't make 200lb of difference, but it is something to consider, considering the monstrous amount of oil the 13B keeps in storage.

>>15248440
a dressed LS with coolant is like 490lbs, considering a crate engine is like 400lbs

so again you are wrong

rotaries are way lighter than LS engines

>>15248440
Since when does a 13b keep a monstrous amount of oil? None of my rotaries ever have. Even still, one litre of oil weighs approx 900g, or 1.7ish pounds.

Also, dressed doesn't include oil, coolant etc anyway. It simply means with intake and exhaust manifolds.

>>15248457
I consider 5.7L for a 1.3L engine to be quite substantial, even considering the fact that most of it will be burned off within 5000km. Maybe I'm just ignorant?

>>15248450
Wasn't arguing that the LS was lighter. That's why I said I knew the fluids wouldn't make up the huge weight difference.

>>15247838
You are literally retarded.

>>15246927

200 kilometres? What?

>>15248476
What does engine capacity have to do with oil capacity? Oil capacity is usually specced on the intended use of the vehicle, oil change intervals, and expected oil temps. Rotaries are generally going to be driven hard, and thus will be expected to have higher oil temps, more oil capacity makes this more manageable.

Most of it will not be burnt of in 5000 either. Keep regurgitating moronic statements you've read on the interwebs though.

>>15248192
>"just taking muh engine out for the weekly rebuild!"

>>15248812
no, it needs 5.7L of oil for a displacement of 1.3L

Why do people even try to compare a LS1 to a Rotary?

Ones a 2 stroke, ones a 4 stroke.


If cost isn't a factor a rotary is a far superior engine. You can have beryllium alloy rotars custom made that can spin in excess of 15000 rpm, not to mention, rotaries essentially flow as much air that can be forced into them. There's no limits on camshaft variable valve timing, or lift etc.

Exceeding 1600hp with custom rotors is possible out of a 13b.

And this doesn't even go into the root of the problem. An engine that has had 150 years of constant R&D by many companies still can only just compete with an less than 4x the displacement, and major r&d by as many companies as you can count on your hand.

It's a joke to compare the two.

>>15248842
What? I just said oil capacity has nothing to do with engine capacity you dumb fuck. You could use 2l in an 8l v8 if it was just putted around town with low oil temps. Massive dry sump setups are used in engines with tiny capacities when raced. They are not related.

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>>15248829
its not a BMW

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>>15248850
>Ones a 2 stroke

>>15248877
It's not engine rebuilds that BMW owners spend money on. It's accessories and suspension. But of course you need a moment where you sound cool and smart on 4chan, so here, buddy. Wow, top kek.

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Bicycle tires

>>15248850

There's no conspiracy that the Rotary hasn't had major development behind it. It's just simply an inferior design.

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>>15248900
>triggered BMW cuck

>>15248913
>superior design*

ftfy

>>15248913
the rotary never had major development because its design is only really suitable for a race car

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>taking a FD3S
>making it faster,more reliable and better sounding
>bad

Roof racks.

Typically indicates someone with entry-level enthusiasm in automotive things but almost no knowledge.

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>>15248955
thats exactly what is being discussed here

why would you swap a boatanchor pushrod engine when you can get aluminium rotors and a single turbo swap

literally retarded

>>15248966
because what youre talking about is way more expensive...

>>15248977
no it isn't

you are one of those dumblords that actually fell for the $500 meme right?

>>15248951

A short stroke large bore piston engine has clearly won that fight.

Rotary = a shit

>>15248983
it aint 500 but its still not expensive if you dont go for the vette/sports cars based LS and go for the truck engines.

>>15248977
It's more expensive than your lifetime supply of bus passes, doesn't mean other people can't afford it.

>>15248994
really? so how expensive is it according to you then

try not to google

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>>15248992
>custom made race engine has to be made just to be able to match a couple of production 13b put together

kek

>>15249021

> Turbo 13B barely making 280hp

lol
why even bother

>>15249021

> 13BREW weighs 400+ pounds
WE NEED TO DOUBLE THAT, CLEARLY

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Bow down to your new king. 3cyl, 1.5L, 40kg and 400bhp. Deal with it.

>>15249088
>time between rebuilds: 10 hours

>>15249095

> 10 hours of full throttle run time
> a bad thing in an engine running that much boost

lol

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>>15249088
>king
>not ecoboost

>>15249095
It would probably last much longer than that for a normal street application. Also removing over 100kg of weight makes the car faster and handles better.