Another day another Tesla has a mind of its own and crashes into

let's be real it was probably the driver's fault

>>15218797
Link to article?

>>15218797
>[Elon Musk] is the founder, CEO and CTO of SpaceX; co-founder, CEO and product architect of Tesla Motors; co-founder and Chairman of SolarCity, co-chairman of OpenAI; co-founder of Zip2; and co-founder of PayPal.[17][18][19] As of April 2016, he has an estimated net worth of US$12.3 billion, making him the 68th wealthiest person in the US.

>>15218808
Like those "unintended accelerations" with the Prius that turned out to actually be people aiming for a fat settlement.

Just look at that interior. Like a loony bin room. Tesla really knows the customer demographic.

>>15218834
http://electrek.co/2016/06/06/tesla-model-x-crash-not-at-fault/
>“We analyzed the vehicle logs which confirm that this Model X was operating correctly under manual control and was never in Autopilot or cruise control at the time of the incident or in the minutes before. Data shows that the vehicle was traveling at 6 mph when the accelerator pedal was abruptly increased to 100%. Consistent with the driver’s actions, the vehicle applied torque and accelerated as instructed. Safety is the top priority at Tesla and we engineer and build our cars with this foremost in mind. We are pleased that the driver is ok and ask our customers to exercise safe behavior when using our vehicles.”

Bonus: "HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY WIFE!"

>The owner of the Model X sent us the following statement – confirming that his wife was driving the vehicle at the time, but he is sticking with her version of the event. In other words, that the Model X accelerated on its own:

>“My wife is a 45-year-old woman with a great driving record. Not and incapacitated driver. She has been going to that center for over 20 years and parking in the same stalls hundreds of times.
>She knows the difference between brake and accelerator pedal. I am waiting to hear from Tesla whether the accelerator pedal can be depressed by the car electronically similar to gas-powered cars’ pedal being depressed on their own while in cruise control.”

I'm more chock by the fact that she apparently crashed into a cardboard house.

>>15218900
Gas pedals move down to be out of your way when in cruise. A more educated question to ask Tesla would be if the car can report throttle input due to gas pedal sensor malfunction since all modern throttles are fly by wire, the pedal is a mere sensor these days.

>>15218916
Modern building materials are complete garbage. In 20 years siding will be made of recycled plastic and compressed sawdust.

>drove over 39ft of planters
>full car length doesn't even cover the plants
>grass=planters

the hell are these people smoking?

>>15218933
Nah you see that's the crumple zone to protect the occupants in case of a crash.

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>>15218925
>tfw throttle cable

>>15218965
Kek

>>15218965
When will pedestrian safety standards start becoming mandatory for buildings? Think of the children.

>>15218933
>In 20 years siding will be made of recycled plastic and compressed sawdust.

It already is brother.

What the hell is that building even made out of America? Fuck me do you all live in cardboard homes?

>>15219093
Yes and I have 4 nail salons inside my house, not just 1.

LOL for american houses made from plywood & cardboard. When your car is stronger than your house.

Can't imagine all the rodents and insects living in those walls.

>>15219104
Pretty sure that I am yet to see a house, old or new, that could withstand an impact from any SUV at WOT, and not take significant damage.

>>15218900
>Our 5 day old Tesla X today while entering a parking stall suddenly and unexpectedly accelerated
>Our 5 day old

Welp, that explains everything. I bet she was too used to her old car, possibly the pedals were panned slightly off compared to the old car, muscle memory kicked in and presto, "i was hitting the breaks, not the accelerator hurr durr".
Routine kills.

I can't believe i'm defending a company that stands for everything i hate.

>>15219178
>Data shows that the vehicle was traveling at 6 mph when the accelerator pedal was abruptly increased to 100%. Consistent with the driver’s actions, the vehicle applied torque and accelerated as instructed.

Really bad idea giving something this fast and potentially lethal into hands of average soccer mom.

>>15218900
>that blind defense just because wife

kuked

>>15218925
new throttle pedals have two or even three simultaneous throttle position sensors that triple check against eachother to ensure that the throttle position is correct.

Even if one is a little bit off, it will throw a check engine light and the vehicle will be undrivable due to having no throttle. The chances of having three throttle position sensors off at the exact same time is basically impossible without human intervention.

>>15218797
>How is this fucking company still in business?
marketing and memes. And meme marketing.

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>Normal front doors
>Gull wing rear doors

>>15219316
my carb has one tbs, me. it never goes wrong. idefinatly adjustable and never needs replacing. kek it was also free.

>>15219316
And if you guys are wondering if these throttle pedals are reliable or not, every single semi truck from 1995ish onwards has been drive by wire with a similar throttle pedal to what is in the tesla. Dont hear a whole lot of stories about those trucks getting stuck at full throttle either, and there are literally millions of those.

>>15219333
You underestimate Tesla build quality.

>>15218797
Because they have ways to track the error back to the driver.

>>15218900
>similar to gas-powered cars’ pedal being depressed on their own while in cruise control

What kind of fucking witchcraft is this? Our Volvo and Merc don't do this, the accelerator allows us to temporarily accelerate when in cruise control... They don't move away?!

Is this an American thing??

What happens if you're going 0,1 mph faster than someone? Do you have to increase the speed of the vehicle by using the cruise control buttons?

>>15219756
I was in an early 90s explorer that did this when cruise control was on and you went up a hill.

>>15219809
That is called depressing the throttle for torque, you fucking idiot. In throttle-cable systems, the cruise control actually actuates the throttle, making the pedal go down when accelerating.

>>15220571
Oooh so this is a pre-drive-by-wire thing?
I see. I'm too young and spoiled to have had/experienced cars without an actual throttle cable...

>>15220601
I mean, my 2002 accord did this.

>>15220601

>too young to experience throttle cables
>spoiled

Ignorance is bliss eh?

>>15218797
>How is this fucking company still in business?
Shills.

>>15220608
Was it DBW or cable?
I've didn't get into cars enough to look at throttle linkage (or lack thereof) until '07-ish and by then all the cars in our family were DBW...
>>15220615
Well i mean it's an interesting phenomenon, I'd probably get distracted and fascinated by my robotic throttle and crash and die... So it's probably for the better.

>>15220601
>I'm too young and spoiled to have had/experienced cars without an actual throttle cable
doubt it. probably just didnt know.

ITT: luddites and soccer mom husbands

>>15218933
Only in America. Here in britain, we still build out of bricks, reinforced concrete, and steel girders.
We had years of IRA carbombs (funded by Americans) and a trend for ram-raiding for a while, which was swiftly defeated by anti-carbomb defences that stop cars getting anywhere near buildings.

>>15218983
> TFW no throttle cable to jam

>>15220639
Well yeah, but I meant that I've actually looked into and driven. Allow me to rephrase:

I've never engaged cruise control in, or looked at the throttle pedal of a car, that didn't have DBW when it was in cruise control.

All the cars I've driven/cruise controlled in have been DBW. So it's a new phenomenon to me.

>>15218797
Teslas have a black box and send data back to the company.

there has yet to be a case where the car just up and crashed into something on its own. it has always been because the driver pushed on the accelerator pedal or used the phone app to move the car.

>>15219329
Falcon wing doors, they hinge in the middle, unlike gull wing.

It is a bit of hubris on Musk's part.

The doors are supposed to do two things?

1. allow you to enter the vehicle in tight spaces.
>pointless because you can just summon the vehicle. moving it out of the tight space.
2. allow people to enter the third row easier.
>would be unneeded if the gimmicky monopost middle seats reclined. then you could just move the seat back forward to clear space.

>>15220703
>there has yet to be a case where the car just up and crashed into something on its own
Says who? Tesla themselves? And you blindly believe them because they're making cars powered by electricity from coal and nuclear plants to save the environment? With batteries containing highly hazardous lithum that can't be recycled and cost children's lives in lithium mines?

Government subsidies

Same reason GM and FCA are still in business

>>15220640
>t. gender studies major and Tesla™ fan

>>15220737
The fact that there haven't been any fuckhuge settlements after a Tesla allegedly "drove itself into a wall" speaks for itself. Every (potential) court case ever speaks against you.
>>15220747
This was a very good response.

>>15220737
It is like the Audi case back in the 80s.

If there was a design fault that would cause Tesla to move on their own. It would be happening enough for it to become known to the general public.

>>15218847
It's a shame that there are 67 wealthier people than Elon Musk, yet he is one of the few concerned with using that money to better the planet and send humanity beyond Earth.

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>a battery with wheels
>high tech

>>15220747
people that buy $80,000 - $100,000 cars don't care about the few thousand in tax credits.

only Norway with its exemption from the new car import tax, really supports Tesla.

>>15220737
>implying nuclear power is bad
Off yourself

>>15220770
>pushrods

>>15220766
now this is bait

>>15220771
Tesla recieves over 4.9 billion from the US Federal government

>>15220782
in what?

they paid their loans from the government back already.

>>15220752
>Every (potential) court case ever speaks against you.
Care to provide a source for some of these (potential) court cases that speak against me? I'm really interested in who's the third party that confirmed that the car was working as intended and that the driver was at fault.

Are you sure it's not just lawyers shrugging it off in court with "How dare you blame Tesla, we're just trying to save the planet!"?

>>15218797
Tesla confirmed that it was user error. The dumb bitch pressed the accelerator thinking it was the brakes.

>>15220801
The source is the fact that there are none.
Nobody has considered some idiot saying "the car took control and drove into a wall" evidence enough to have a case.

Why would lawyers shrug it off? If the ones representing the people wanting to sue Tesla thought they had a case then of course they would do it, that's (partly) how they make money.

>>15220796
Dollars, 4.9 billion dollars in subsidies.

Not a loan. Taxpayer funded subsidies.

>>15220816
>The source is the fact that there are none.
You're a retard.

>>15220812
kek how does that happend ? are they on the same level ? isn't the brake on automatic car a bigass one ?

>>15220824
Cause people are retarded

>>15220824
Old woman in new car = wreck no matter how obvious you make the controls

>>15220823
>instant ad-hominem
Compelling argument friend
>into the trash it goes

>>15220827
>>15220830
but how did they got their driving licence in the first place ?

>>15220840
She got it a long long time ago anon, it's easier to get a licence than a credit card

>>15220844
oh really ? i heard it was cheap but that easy ? that negate their existence

>>15220820
that figure is for all three of his companies combined, and from federal, state, and local governments combined.

some of it is just states and local trying lure Musk and his job creation to their area. So the politicians can claim they made jobs.

some are carbon creditse. which are specifically for Tesla, and only a fool would not take advantage.

NASA needed new launch capability. It was either pay SpaceX or go with existing military companies. SpaceX is paying off for NASA because their launches are like 1/3 or less teh price of United Launch Alliance.

meanwhile the oil industry in america gets 10 trillion in value from various subsidies.

GM was bailed out. feds sold their shares at a loss, for some unexplained reason.

>>15220867
Just because Company B does X too doesn't make it okay for Company A to do X as well

>>15220884
When the government is handing out money and other breaks. You would be stupid not to use them.

Now of course there are times when you have the companies lobbying for these things. Though Musk isn't one of them. The most he does is fight against Dealership laws to prevent him from opening stores.

>>15219178
> I bet she was too used to her old car,

I can see a lot of people crashing these because they've gone from something with ~150hp to a tesla. I honestly cannot fathom why theyve made these cars so powerful when you know the target consumer is not going to be used to the power.

>>15220921
Because POWAH! sells.

It is easy for them to make insane 0-60 machine that still provides decent range. The could have used a 200 hp 300 torks motor and geared it for longer range. Then it would accelerate merely ok and it wouldn't excite as many potential customers.

>>15220921
What>>15220940 said

>more horses more better!

>>15220940
Which is funny, because making something affordable and worthwile for the common man is always a more lucrative route than making something expensive for the rich man. Later on you can have luxury modrls for the rich man to get his attention too.

There are more common men than rich men which means a bigger market base. Honestly if I were making electric cars I'd be building something with no frills, no bells and whistles, just a simple car.

>>15218797
>side curtain bags deployed.
haha, get a new car.

>>15220974
every EV start up that is tired with a mass market model first, has failed.

Tesla, by starting with upscale models first. Where they can charge a price with a health profit margin(20-25% on every S and X sold). Allows them to have the rich people subsidize the mass market. While also making exciting cars that generate millions in media attention value.

>>15218916
cardboard house saved her life.

>>15218900
>abrupt increase to 100%

That sounds like a potentiometer short to me.

>>15218900
you are more likely to have an accident at places where you go most because of the obvious reason plus the fact that you do end up doin it without thinking

>>15218933
>>15218916
You're both retarded. Modern materials and engineering is 100 times better than they were even 50 years ago.
Old houses didn't even have foundations and they were leaky and drafty as fuck. Now we have thick steel reinforced slabs with footers, composite engineered beams, double pane low-e glass. the only difference is the wood isn't 300 year old hard wood. Houses are incredibly more efficient, stronger, while being cheaper.

It's the workmanship that's gone. Especially with these dime a dozen tract homes they throw up in 2 months.

That's not cardboard it's a PE vapor barrier, which any brick or stone house would also have.

>>15220644
You also live in houses that would be considered government housing here in the US.
Most houses in the US are brick or stucco.

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>>15220644
>funded by Americans

spotted the tankie

>>15221069
>Old houses didn't even have foundations and they were leaky and drafty as fuck.
in america maybe

>>15221084
Not him but I've travelled all over Europe, old houses are leaky and drafty there too

Why do we have so many threads about toy cars lately.

>>15218900
>>15221018
>abruptly increased to 100%.
I would be interested to see this data graph and what data points they collect.

Let's say they do collect data on pedal position. This data could be cross-referenced with the recorded power output of the vehicle. If there's even a slight disparity between pedal position and power output then one can argue that the car was not correctly responding to driver input.

Another data point to look at would be the power output graph. Given that a human cannot depress an accelerator pedal from rest position to full in an instant (which is what Tesla are arguing they did), such data could indicate whether the pedal was indeed human input error or a car sensor error.

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http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a29133/tesla-self-driving-crash-summon-autonomous/

What if the car crashed while the driver is in a restaurant, the car is parked in a space and no one is driving? Would it still be the drivers fault like Tesla claims?

>>15221165
the manufacturer takes responsibility for what happens when no one is driving

>Given that a human cannot depress an accelerator pedal from rest position to full in an instant

Have you ever seen a drag race?

>>15221165
>Hi guys Tesla here, we collected this vehicle data nobody ever gets to see and it says nothing was our fault, the end
Not buying it.

>>15218879
Pigfat

>>15221209
Let's say for a moment she confused the go pedal for the brake. Who stomps the brakes when at a crawl in a parking lot?

>>15221209
>instant
There is still measurable time from when the accelerator is at rest and when it is fully open, even if it's not humanly perceptible.

That's what I was trying to get at. If there is no measurable time, or that measurable time is so swift it's physically impossible or improbable that 45-year-old woman on Earth could have pressed the pedal, it's vquite arguable that it's the car's fault.

>>15221165
>Tesla detected a bug in their Autopilot/Summon feature that sometimes causes the car to intentionally crash into things
>Tesla sent out both an EMAIL AND Car message telling user to temporarily disable autopilot
>idiot didn't do this
>decide to use summon feature while in restaurant
Drivers fault plain and simple.

>>15221329
t. teslafag

>>15221460
t. retard who ignored the facts

>>15221329
The bug info was sent out after the crash though.

>>15221069
>Most houses in the US are brick or stucco.
No, most houses in the UK are brick. Most American houses are wood. I've been to the US, I've seen houses, and they are made of fucking wood.

>>15221480
t. uncompensated faggot who on behalf of tesla gives a delusive summary of an article

>Official statement by Tesla;"The vehicle logs confirm that the automatic Summon feature was initiated by a double-press of the gear selector stalk button, shifting from Drive to Park and requesting Summon activation. The driver was alerted of the Summon activation with an audible chime and a pop-up message on the center touchscreen display. At this time, the driver had the opportunity to cancel the action by pressing CANCEL on the center touchscreen display; however, the CANCEL button was not clicked by the driver. In the next second, the brake pedal was released and two seconds later, the driver exited the vehicle. Three seconds after that, the driver's door was closed, and another three seconds later, Summon activated pursuant to the driver's double-press activation request. Approximately five minutes, sixteen seconds after Summon activated, the vehicle's driver's-side front door was opened again."
How in any way does that shit make any fucking sense

>>15220737
>highly hazardous lithum

Better than 100% hazardous lead? Or sulphuric acid?
BETTER THROW AWAY THAT CAR BATTERY, LEAD AND ACID ARE POISONOUS.
And that phone, because lithium.

I bet you still drink dihydrogen monoxide.

>>15221329
>not allowed to use features you paid $80,000 for

Holy shit tesla fags will defend this

>>15221523
>dihydrogen monoxide
Thats some fucking deadly shit. Dont joke about that.

>>15221540
inb4 he tries to argue that innate car features should not be considered part of the whole package so technically they weren't paid for

>>15221540
Is Tesla the EA of automobiles?

>>15221591
More like Ubisoft
>"Guys look at how fucking awesome this is. Coming soon."
>hype train leaves station at full steam off the rails
>release version is watered down, it looks shittier than the working concept shown at Car-E3 and is chock full of bugs, but the rabid fanbase suckles their anus anyway

>>15219332

>It was also free

There is 10's of thousands maybe even hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in your first 16 years of life. You definitely weren't free.

And that is monetary alone. The time your family have invested in you. All wasted because you think a carb can never jam.

>>15221650
>Oh fuck they're shitting on the company I represent! I'll contact my manager via Facebook, maybe he knows how I can deal with this group of anons before they reveal too much and make even more people aware of my company's flaws.
>Ah yes, perfect, a GM counter-shill image. That's why he's the manager of my section of Shillcorp!

>>15218797
>turns on beta feature, autopilot
>lets go of wheel when car specifically tells you to keep your hands on the wheel

people are stupid

>uses summon feature with garage closed

>>15220571
what my car does is a servo just pulls on a second throttle cable

it doesn't depress the pedal

>>15221727
Putting your hands on the wheel turns off autopilot. No idea why Tesla have such a retarded feature though.

>autopilot engage please don't let go of wheel
>autopilot disengaged
>autopilot engage please don't let go of wheel
>autopilot disengaged
>autopilot engage please don't let go of wheel
>autopilot disengaged

>>15218916
>american build quality in everything

>>15220571
The car doesn't have an actually throttle you moron, the throttle is just an electronic control that tells the computer to turn on the electric motor. This makes the car safer than one with a normal throttle.

>>15221634
Yeah EA is more like Ford or something in that they used to be terrible but aren't as bad now.

(Chrysler is the XBox One. SPORTS!!!!)

>>15220958
>"Introducing the new Tesla Model XJSV, standard with 20000 horsepower!"
>car weighs fifty tons
Basically how manufacturers think

>>15220780
he's right though. Put aside whether or not he actually is doing humanity any good, he's at least trying. Everyone else just wants to sit on their stack of cash, play with some toys, and collect interest. Gates is trying to eradicate polio and shit like that, and while that's a noble cause it's not exactly groundbreaking work.

>>15218797
Let me guess, this happened in Florida and the driver was a woman

>>15221749
you're probably supposed to let the wheel slide in you hand so you can grab it if you need to

again, beta feature

honestly tesla shouldn't allow these dumb fucks to use it'

>>15221018
or like other Tesla crashes into buildings. It has been owner stomping the brake, but actually it was the go pedal.

>>15221523
I thought dihydro monoxide was banned? I think its one of the products of combustion that our vehicles expose us too, and everything now contaminated with it

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>>15221849

He is trying to do some cool shit I'd admit. But I would prefer not to be throwing something in the back of my car when a tesla rolls forward.

I doubt I would be as happy about my exploding knees like in pic related.