ITT: you can only argue if you prefer forced induction,

>centrifugal supercharger

/thread

Supercharger, because it performs more like N/A, which I prefer.

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no

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>>15012316
>meet a guy last week
>he tarbo'd a volvo 2liter 4banga until it made 500hp
Ok, it only made 500hp for about ten kilometers until the car was standing still with the block wide aflame in the center crossing of the village he lives in but hey, what counts counts.

>>15012334
>no nitrous
>still has those faggy an fittings and hoses for fuel
jej

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>>15012352
>I can't afford it so it's shit

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>>15012344
I guess he thought that all 2l 4bangers are the same

>>15012324
>the worst of both worlds

turbos are the only thing worth it tbqh

>>15012376
>never experienced it

>>15012376

They're good for street applications.

>>15012316
best version forced induction nos and methane

Supercharger for American V8s and turbo for anything else

>>15012374
No, he basically learned from it. You can do it but you need to get better connecting rods first.

If u don't have just a 4 barrel carb you're a faggot

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friendly reminder

>>15012326
>performs like n/a

yeah it makes no power

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>>15012432

Turbo is superior to stupidcharger
anyone who says otherwise is delusional

> but muh low end!
A properly sized turbo will always make more low end torque and horsepower than a supercharger

> but muh throttle response
learn to drive

>>15012334
> 50hp
lol

>>15012316

the best set up is:

1 large exhaust powered turbo for higher rpm
1 electric powered turbo for low rpm

>>15012440
>turbo lag.

>>15012427
carbs are for faggots tho

>>15012456
Nope your a fag

>>15012316
I like the sound supercharger makes more than turbo.

>>15012451
non existant at similar boost levels and with properly sized turbo
see
>>15012432
>>15012439

>>15012456
found the tryhard who doesn't really like cars
>>>/g/

this is my favorite thread

bench racing is also my favorite racing

>>15012451
Learn to drive

>>15012459
>>15012471
>unironically liking outdated tech

no reason to use carbs in 2016

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best form of forced induction reporting in

A turbo is inherently better and always will be.

Superchargers increase the Brake specific fuel consumption and your engine will always work harder to make power, some SC's take upwards of 100-150hp to run (muscle car roots).

The super charger will always a have a range it works best because its directly tied to the crank where as a turbo can be regulated with its waste gate.

>>15012475

>unironically le current year posting

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>>15012475
>he doesn't know how to tune a carb

>>15012376
I used to say that too, until I got into bigger v8 engines. The engine makes enough power down low NA that I don't need the crazy bottom end of a twin screw, so I like how a centri predictably ramps into full boost. Also don't like the slow response of a turbo setup. Yeah, I get it - properly sized modern turbo has minimal lag - I have a factory twin scroll turbo vehicle, but it is still disconnected from the throttle.

Sure, if I was after 1/2 mile racing or something, the max hp of a turbo would be best, but I onky street drive it.

>>15012495
>>15012503
Im serious

its a waste when you can just hook a car to a pc and tune everything

>>15012522
yeah I'm sure you do that all the time

>>15012475
>No reason to use carbs in 2016
You have never worked on commercial vehicles then, carbs are in like 80% of industrial vehicles

>>15012533
nah

its not a shitty carb

do it right one time and youre set maybe change a few settings from inside the car while Im driving

>>15012533
Far less often than fiddling with idle mixture screws, that's for sure

I prefer turbo. It's more magical.

>>15012316

Uh considering that in 2016 you can now get turbos with next to no lag and make ridiculous power and torque, superchargers are almost obselete as far as performance comparisons go..

Only times superchargers are more suitable are for ease of installation when installing forced induction on a factory NA motor or for offroad applications where low end torque is the only requirement.

15-20 years ago this argument was actually valid but in 2016 turbos are the better performing way of forced induction. Case closed. Don't even try and argue that they're not. Not being biast or anything just stating facts. Superchargers are outdated technology.

>>15012544
never done it though have you? :^)

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>>15012583
>biast
sorry you had to type all that for nothing

>>15012603
I am sorry you typed of all that just to have myself discard it.*

> pleb

>>15012511

you make sence, a properly sized turbo on a big v8 will not even have lag, liek you said the v8 has low end power, then you say the cetrifugal supercharger predictably ramps up in to full boost, what the fuck do you think a properly sized turbo does?

>>15012666

i meant no sense*

>>15012666
yeah what does he know he's only driven them

>>15012679

I dont think you understand what I'm saying.

Also you imply I haven't.

>>15012705
you don't know what he was saying and you type like a nocar retard

Electric>Subercharged>Natural aspiration>turdbo>bus

>>15012730

He said he likes V8s cause they have power down low which supersedes the requirement of a roots blower which provides power down low, he instead likes the "predictable" boost a centrifugal supercharger gives him in the top end.

Then he says some stupid shit about the turbo feeling disconnected from his throttle.

A factory twin scroll will provide boost instantly without needing the engine to put to much effort in to it especially if your running it off of a v8. Like seriously my 20 year old supra with a 2.5 liter engine made boost at 2400 rpms instantly with me even knowing it and it maintained it up til redline, and this is a for a 20 year old engine.

"dont like the slow response of a turbo"

I'd like to see a turbo give a slow response if its only job is to provide power in the top end for a v8.

I've seen the type of cars people on /o/ have, I bet you drive some trashy miata or something like that.

Also no shit a factory turbo set up feels disconnected, factory shit is garbage.

>>15012800
confirmed for no car
fuck off kid

>>15012806

lmao

> damn he got me, ill...ill..ill just call him a no car kid again.

Is it an American muscle car made between the 1960's and 1970's?
>supercharger

Anything else is turbocharger

Anyone seen the new Variable ratio superchargers? Procharger if i remember right.

Electronic controlled transmission instead of traditional single pulley setup, theyre getting more power from less boost and better mpg(then traditional superchargers). Theyre looking real neat, Personaly I like both super and turbo but they each have places where they shine. I wouldn't want to turbo my autocross car, but im open to supercharging it. I wouldn't want to supercharge my track car but turbo would be great. its all about the usable power curve and what your gonna be doing with it

>>15012316
>one large turbo for the high end torques
>one small turbo for the low end torques
>one electrically driven turbo for no lag
This is the goat setup. Prove me wrong.

>>15013145
>one electromechanically driven turbo for everything
>save on two thirds of the extra tubing for the same gainz
Step it up nig

>>15013176
It's not like an electric turbo will give you that much power/torques alone.
It just works as an anti-lag system.

>>15013145
Have fucking fun tuning that monstrosity.

>>15013190
>electromechanically driven turbo
lrn2reed

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>>15013193
They did it.

>>15013204
Yeah but it was designed that way. Trying to do this aftermarket is a nightmare.

>>15012334
>>15012352
>>15012369
Yeah I actually don't get why niggas need to put that godawful rainbow bullshit all over their car like some kind of retard ricer.

>>15013211
Sure, but no one mentioned (only) aftermarket.

>>15013217
You don't pull engines often do ya.

>>15013218
Seems weird to mention a system that has to be factory designed and could all be replaced with a vgt and a wot box.

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>>15012369
I actually have nitrous, he's trying to simulate the look of someone who has nitrous

>>15013321
Actually a lot of people run an fittings just for convenience sake.

>>15012763
cuck megadetected

>>15013145
>small nitrous shot for no lag
>bigger nitrous shot for low end torque
>big turbo for power

there

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>>15013321
>being this retarded

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Fan of the TVS and twin screw blowers.
Instant boost
Great low end
Has good top end.

A turbo or pro charger has better top top end, but low end is the fun part

>>15013217
Ricers started using that from seeing actual race cars use it, not the other way around.

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>>15012440
No matter what, a turbo has to compromise.
You can't spool at 1,500rpm and pull to 7,500rpm.

Low end torque is what u want on the street.
A twin screw can out CFM a turbo as well.

>>15013883
see>>15012439

>>15013883
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
Turbo lag and sudden boost is fucking awesome!

>>15013884
450 Hp kek
Again, turbos still has limits

>>15013913
Yeah, and the limit is far higher than a stupidcharger
Can you slap a supercharger on a vortec 4.8 and make 1000hp for less than 5k? Nope. But you can with two turbos

>>15013913
what

the turbo is making more power anywhere across the rev range with the same boost pressure as a supercharger

>>15013942
none of that matters.
you can get the same power, it just costs you more fuel. doesn't matter if you use 35psi instead of 30psi unless you're a sad cunt benchracer.
you're not gonna get supercharger throttle response with turbos.

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>>15013940
A 1000hp LS isn't a street setup.
So a turbo is an easy choice.

A KB 4.0L (4K)blower can support 1,200hp as well
>>15013942
Psi is NOT the same as CFM!
A huge turbo at 10psi is pushing like 3 times the CFM of a small blower.

Fucking new fags

>>15013974
> more power at every rpm doesn't matter
> calling anyone else a bench racer
Top fucking roflmao just kill yourself

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>>15013974
>it doesnt matter if you can make more power out of the same boost pressure

it does, you are a retarded supercharger fangirl if you belive otherwise

less boost pressure means lower compression and less stress on the engine, which can be the difference between using pump gas or having to get race gas or e85


>you're not gonna get supercharger throttle response with turbos.
of course not, you gett better response AND more power with a turbo, why would anyone settle for the inferior feels of a supercharger

itt children confuse boost with cfm

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>>15013985
>A huge turbo at 10psi is pushing like 3 times the CFM of a small blower.

not my problem superchargers need more boost pressure to compete due to being inferior

If throttle response is so important why do race cars all use turbo chargers

>defending superchargers
Why is this even a thread? If you aren't turbo'd honestly just kill yourself family.

>>15013998
itt supercharger fangirls grasp at straws

the simple fact that a supercharger flows less at similar boost pressure is proof enough they are inferior

>>15013988
>you gett better response AND more power with a turbo

No you don't you fucking casual

Triggered.

>>15014001
Practicality. Race cars don't stop. The rest of us do. But in all honesty a turbo is more fun every time.

>>15014008
see
>>15012432
>>15012439
stay mad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA5kj1lSMBo

>>15013988
do they have boost tax where you live?

>>15014001
because /o/ is retarded. a track car or a le epin togay car is never below boost threshold ever.

they confuse boost with cfm and they confuse threshold with lag
they are manchildren

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>>15012583
>biast
>>>/trash/

>>15014007
you are an idiot

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>>15014019
they have cuck tax here

which means you are not allowed to use superchargers due to being inherently inferior to turbos

if you want to be a cuck and get a supercharger, you have to pay taxes, but real alpha males with turbos get a free pass

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>>15014017
>Implying
Jesus, you guys don't own a turbo or blower.
Fucking bench racers

>>15014026
>gets blown the fuck out
>u-u r n idiot!!

supercharger fangirls on suicide watch

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>>15014035
>rock solid proof turbos make more power at similar boost levels than superchargers and make more power at lower RPMs
>hurr durr benchracing

you are a fagget

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>>15014032
>mfw i realise i'm talking about cars to a 12 year old

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>>15014044
Ur bait is bad.
Turbo- bad low end, good top end
Blower-good low end, reasonable top end

>>15014058
> bad low end
See >>15012439
Driving around below 2000rpm is beyond irrelevant anyway
Grasp harder stupid charger cuckold

>>15014058
superchargers are good for fun and bad for anything else other than boats and offroad, they are obsolete. it's not a debate.

>>15014046
>gets BTFO
>b-but muh boost tax

don't start a shitpost if you can't handle it boy

>>15014058
>there is even a video about it
>"bait"

ar all supercharger fangirls forever in denial or what?

>>15014063
>Driving around below 2000rpm is beyond
You don't own a car do you.

>>15014069
Ask GM, Jaguar,ford,fiat,dodge, ex why they use superchargers.

>muh low end power

you don't want to make power at idle or close to idel anyway unless you want to destroy your bearings

>>15014093
because its cheaper??

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>>15014069
>instant power
>cheap and easy to set up
Sure seem obsolete
Roots is God tier btw :^)

why can't we all just agree that twin charging is the best?

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>>15014099
This dude doesn't know how an engine works.

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>>15014121
>muh roots
>only relevant in NHRA
>where turbos were banned in top fuel and funny cars

also, Hemi>BBC

>>15014131
nah, one day you'll understand why its safer for your bearings to make power at medium to high roms

meanwhile keep drinking that koolaid

i bet you belive "pushrods make more torque" aswell

>>15014127
because sequential turbocharging exist

>>15014121
Twin screw>roots
Better low, and top end
Lower IAT temps

>>15014127
This is the truth
Run a blower and a turbo and pretty much make peak power at idle and all threw the rpm range and instant throttle response
But of course some bench racer is going to say "HURRRR TWIN TURBO SET IT UP RIGHT HURRRR"

>>15014132
Top fuel didn't ban turbos.
Nitromethane melts turbos
You can't use em

>>15014087
Weird ass argument to make m8. How often are you below 2k but need power while daily driving eh?

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>>15014137
Not sure if dumb or bad bait.

>>15014147
>mad a dequential turbo will make more power

supercharger fangirls need not to apply

>>15014132
AY IT'S THIS FAG
BBC ALL THE WAY FAGGOT
>>15014138
Twin screw is God tier only if it wasn't so fucking expensive I'll just stick with the roots

>>15014093
because its cheaper and easier to package.. lol did you think you were actually on to something.

also when was the last time a production car that wasnt american (muh boomer market demographic) had a supercharger.

>>15014121
yes, it is obsolete. that's why no one uses them except classes that don't allow turbos.

>>15012427
>not having two on top of a weiand 8-71

>>15014150
>can't use turbos with nitromethane
good meme

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/0202tur-norwoods-racing-funnycar-integra/

>>15014160
stay clueless

>>15014164
Ftype Jag
Hellcats
Both arnt American cars

>>15014171
Already seen that video.
Nitro kills turbos
And turbos can't support 11,000HP.

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>>15014162
>Big Black Cock ALL THE WAY FAGGOT

lel, GM fangirls confirmed for megafaggets :v)

>>15012583
>considering that in 2016 you can now get turbos with next to no lag
bench racer spotted

>>15014161
>proving my point
KEK!
>>15014164
>what is instant throttle response
>mad his turbo can't compete with a almost 100 year old design
LMAO

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>>15014184
>Nitro kills turbos
cool

people still run turbos on nitromethane

>And turbos can't support 11,000HP.
they can though

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>>15014188
FUCKING GOD DAMN BIG BLOCK CHEVY MUH NIGGA
To bad chevy beats Mopar at there own game
LMAO

>>15014196
your point is that someone will remind you about how sequential turbos would make more power?

thats cool, but doesnt make the fact that sequential turbos make power power invalid

>what is instant throttle response
something superchargers don't have :v)
>>15012439

>>15014196
throttle response doesnt mean anything..

>>15013145
implying an electric supercharger (its not a turbo you retard) could ever be spun fast enough to generate boost

why do you even trip?

>>15014087
Right back at ya
I don't drive a diesel so I'm never ever below 2k unless I'm crawling in a parking
In performance driving it becomes even more irrelevant to the point that you should kill yourself if you think otherwise

>>15014213
>top fuel
>using BBC based engines

lel

>>15014201
Citation needed.
Show me a 11,000Hp 500ci engine that's turbocharged

I would say turbo, but the oil burning, lag, cost, reliability and others make it a lesser contender

>>15014214
>having to rev past 3grand to make peak power
>not knowing how a supercharger works
:^)

>>15014223
thats not how it works

turbos can make as much power per liter than a top fuel engine, and for longer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M12

>>15014219
You don't own a V8, you don't understand.

I mean fuck, my little 4cly shitbox runs at 2200rpm at 60mph

>>15014044
>rock solid proof

>>15014093
Ask porsche, Ferrari, lamborghini, Mercedes, audi etc why they use turbochargers

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>>15014222
They have to use the 426 elephant design which was made by Mopar and somehow dodge can't beat chevy with the same engine
But thank you I've been waiting to use this image

>>15014231
>"i can make power at 1500"
>still makes less power than a turbo that hasn't yet fully spooled
lel
just see the dyno graph and try not to analrage :v) >>15012439

>>15014237
Waiting for an engine broski.

Also, Wiki isn't a citation

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>>15014242
see>>15014017

>>15014251
>the joke
the only joke here is that non-hemispherical head LMAO

>>15014188
>new age hemi
>better than chevy
:^)

>>15014241
Even in v8s you are never below 2000rpm unless you're coasting in a high gear or crawling in a parking lot
Keep grasping at irrelevant bullshit. Power made below 2000rpm doesn't matter in performance driving applications. Heck, turbos still make more low end power anyway. See >>15012439

>>15014254
He has to redline his engine when he wants to make 400 hp KEK

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>>15014260
>denial

there we have it boys

another victory for tubos

gg no re

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>Not using both

Kek

>>15014275
He has to red line his superchsrger engine to make less power than a turbo in 2/3rds of it's power band roflmao

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>>15014269
>707hp Hellcat Hemi vs the 650 LT4 small block in the vette that overheats after a lap and goes limpmode to avoid damage

pretty obvious which engine is the superior one :v)

also
snek

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>>15014266
The only real joke is Mopar can't best chevy
With there own design
LMAO
M
A
O

>>15014275
>mad he can't redline his engine without damaging the main bearings unlike turbos
>still makes less power than turbos at similar boost pressure

KEK

>>15014293
LS engines are pretty trash though breah
Especially when there put into that boomer mobile

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DUDE TARBO

>>15014295
>top fuel engines
>made by chevy, ford or dodge

you seem lost, none of the big 3 race at top fuel

Stupid charger cucks are also gm cucks
Who would have thought ROFLMAO

Stay mad your supercharged v8 is slower than a twin turbo v6, in fact it's TEN SECONDS SLOWER TO ACCELERATE FROM 20MPH TO 50MPH IN TOP GEAR
so much for much supercharger low end and throttle response

>>15014304
>he wants to redline his car all the time
KEK
Good way to blow up an engine bub that's probably why you ride the bus :^)

>>15014314
I was talking about funny car
Top fuel is all custom

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>>15014305
>LS engines are pretty trash though breah
of course
its a shebby :v)

>>15014316
> he isn't allowed to redline his engine because mummy said so
Top kek

>>15014316
>mad he can't redline his car
KEK

enjoying those sour grapes?

>>15014328
>Mopar
>getting bailed out numerous times
>can't even best chevy or ferd at making there own engine
>thinking there not cucked
:^^^)))

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>this thread

>>15012583
Rule 2

>>15014334
>>15014341
>getting mad because they have to rev past 6grand
It feels good to be on top my nigga

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>>15014348
> retarded Chevy cuck can't differentiate between there and their
Typical lol

>>15014354
>shit posting
>the thread

>>15014365
But I make more power than stupidcharger at any rpm, see >>15012439

>>15014366
>trying to use the cuckvette as an insult
To bad there terrible
To bad Mopar can't differentiate between blowing head gaskets and power

>>15014375
>yours
Post the dyno sheets for your bus then we can compare

>>15012316
Turbo because sounds....yeah that's literally it. Supercharger performs better.

>>15015917
you're retarded

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>>15016151
But it's the truth

>>15015917
Have you ever heard a supercharger? True story, I was in the metroplex like 6 hours ago with my top down at a red light with a GT500 next to me, 5.5 gen, probably 2013, in front of an overpass. I'm sure he was probably trying to show off next to my lolnopower car, but the sound of that engine is just incredible. No BOV can ever match the sound of a good whine.

>>15012763
Selfdriving electric>electric>hybrid>Push bike

>>15014093
Ask porsche, toyota, mclaren, ferrari, AMG, Audi, nissan

Should I keep naming real race brands? b-but fiat

Why aren't there any positive-displacement turbochargers, /o/? Err... I guess it wouldn't be a "turbo" charger without a turbine, so "exhaust-driven supercharger" I guess.

>>15016746
The turbine rotational speed is far too high to drive a positive displacement compressor. Turbocharger shaft speeds are over 200,000 rpm for road cars. A screw-type supercharger runs at like 3000-30.000 rpm. So the shaft speed is too fast to drive the supercharger, too fast to geardown, all you can do is design a compressor that operates at 200k rpm.

If you make the turbine bigger, you can slow the shaft speed, but it's not a good idea. apart from packaging, you want to keep the rotor as small as possible to reduce inertia and turbo lag.

>>15014087
I drive petrol and I sweat profusely if the revs ever drop below 2k, I tend to be around 3k which still gives you a while to get to 4k for boost but if you're driving hard then you're above 4k for sure.

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Ok, ok, ok, you guys are OBVIOUSLY forgetting something here.
When you have fat, sluggish, turbo that suddenly kicks in and makes your car gain 200 hp between 3-4000 RPM it NEVER gets old. All day every day you'll be putting in a higher gear to drop the revs and then just wait for that surge of power and torque steer that almost puts you in the ditch with your standard tires every time

>>15014219
>performance driving
This is the gayest term only used by the gayest people ever. Do you have fingerless "driving gloves" too

>>15012446
>electric powered turbo
That's an electric supercharger. There's no turbine, so it's not a turbosupercharger, but a regular supercharger, albeit electric.

>>15013145
>one properly sized VGT twin scroll turbo for low end torque and high end airflow
>one 150 shot of nitrous for low end response

>>15012316
Turbo vs. supercharger doesn't mater anymore, because we live in a decade where power doesn't require compromises anymore - engines nowadays can have enough power to blow tires off at will, especially with some boost. You can pick whichever you prefer, in sound and power delivery, and make enough power to meet just about any goal. And there's aesthetic value in both - from the antilag and BOV/wastegate noises of a good turbo setup, to the whine of a classic supercharger belt drive.

>best turbo
Twinscroll VGT.
>best modern supercharger
E-CVT Rotrex centrifugal.
>best classic boost device
Oversized Roots blower with a gilmer belt.

>>15012427
>not have Tri-Power
>not having a dualquad

>>15012477
Power adder, not forced induction.

>>15012485
>some SC's take upwards of 100-150hp to run (Roots blower).
Some can take 800-900hp to run. Doesn't matter if your output ia 10x the power loss.
Also, power loss is reduced via the use of modern Roots blowers (TVS for example) twin screw blowers, and of course centrifugals.
>The super charger will always a have a range it works best because its directly tied to the crank where as a turbo can be regulated with its waste gate.
Modern superchargers can be geared. Some drag cars use small two or three speed, straight cut gearboxes to gear the supercharger properly. Rotrex is working on an (E)-CVT system that'll keep the centrifugal supercharger performing at peak power or efficiency, depending on what the ECU demands.

>>15013883
Not pictured: IAT's.

>>15017001
Couldn't you just gear that shaft speed down then?

>>15017213
You seem to have missed the >too fast to gear down
There are physical limits to how far you can gear things, especially when there are space considerations and every bit of rotational inertia counts.

There's no point anyway. Centrifugal compressors are more efficient and have far less rotating mass, and the speed is controlled by the wastegate which negates the advantage of a positive displacement compressor. So even if you could run a screw compressor off exhaust, you'd just end up with an incredibly laggy turbo that doesn't make as much power as a normal turbo would.

>>15017001
There's this.
>>15016746
But you also have to consider the turbine will be pushing against a compression before it even spools. My bet is an exhaust driven turbine wouldn't even turn an appropriately sized roots assembly... And when a roots assembly isn't turning, it's a damn big restriction.

>>15017090
>Surge of power and torque steer

Only in a Fail Wheel Drive M8.

>>15017344
With enough power you get torque steer on RWD too, because of uneven load on rear axle and flexing chassis. Especially on old american cars were both of them are floppy

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>>15017362
I own a modified 65 mustang, and a turbocharged Falcon. Plenty of power to turn the tyres, no torque steer to be seen.

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>>15017387
>I own a modified 65 mustang
>289
Gee wiz, it must be pushing almost 200hp by now...
>Falcon
>implying 1900kg of body reinforcement is going to be "floppy"
Good job on posting nothing to do with anything.

>>15012316
I like turbos, especially the anti-lag variety. The twinscroll 4s I've owned have shit on so many larger engines. And just that feeling of getting thrown back in your seat as the turbo spools is real part of why I love them. The 1/2 second of lag before a huge increase in power. Plus having a loud blowoff valve is fun.

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>>15015917
>Supercharger performs better.

LMAO

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I guess mine does alright

>mfw 3 anons are responsible for half the shitposts in this god awful thread