Yes or N/o/ >2008 9-3 2.0T >130K "Mostly Highway"

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Is this a car for fags?

Are these cars easy to wrench on? Any GM parts compatibility?

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>>14881011
what an insecure manlet you have to be to ask such question?

>>14881026
"We have a PC nightmare on pur hands here, Jim."
"How so?"
"He said 'fag' in a completely ambiguous way."
"So?"
"So!?" Whaddya mean, 'so!?' One could arbitrarily take that to mean anything!?" "The dilema this has painted across the land is, in my estimation, of the same caliber as the Danish invasion of Northern England."
"Society is a luxury, you cunt."

>>14881006

Any other time, yes. Currently, no.

Parts will be increasingly difficult to find, even though some are shared.

They're not by any means, easy cars to work on.

The mileage is racking up.

You've got better choices out there.

>>14881134
parts are not hard at all to find and probably never will be. I can easily find 99% of the parts for my 92 900. I can find any part for my 01 9-3. My 9000 that can be another story, there are some interior parts and others i pray never break.

For the late model 9-3s.. parts are not a problem and will not be for a long time.

As far as working on them, no harder than any other transverse i-4. So pretty easy all around.

OP here.

I'm going to be running anything I get into the ground (unfortunately). I have ~40k/mi year commute and I wanted something that made that time a little more comfortable/reliable/enjoyable.

Any better suggestions?

>>14881054
Oh, you baited me so hard!
You're such a great baiter!
You are the baitest!

>>14881343
Thanks for the bump m8.

>>14881318
Something better than a 9-3? A 9-5

>>14881318
9-5 will be more comfy, and probably last longer as well.

I would also look into an older volvo v90 or 900 series. Maybe if you are feeling daring an e34 535i.

All those are very comfy and will last forever.

>>14881401
They're tough to find. I was also thinking about a V70 or E320, but I'm so tired of German electrical gremlins that I don't think I'm going down that road again.

Also, mpg is also a concern, but not as much as I previously thought it would be. That's to much time in a car for a taint busting Corolla.

Are Jag X-Types any good?

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2002 DeVille DTS
4000 maplebucks (3200 USD) + taxes
170k km (105k mi)
From a stealership (no reviews found)

Other than buying a car someone's grandpa probably died in, is it a good deal? Will I get a couple years out of it?

>>14881551
Bad fuel eco and problematic heads if I'm not mistaken.

>>14881551
Sick boat sick price

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2004 Amanti, Base
$4800 Asking price, but I'll try to negotiate it down to $3500
96,XXX Miles
From a good dealership.
It doesn't appear to have any major cosmetic issues, but the first thing I do if I get it will probably be to put new tires on, they don't look like they've ever been replaced.

>>14881343
>Master baiter

>>14881455
>Also, mpg is also a concern
My office is 70 miles from my house, almost all highway.

My 01 9-3 gets about 31 mpg at 80mph, at around 70 it will get 33 to 35.

My 9000 gets 33 to 35 at 80mph.

Have you thought about Benz 300D or 300SD from the late 80s or 90s. I had originally considered them, but people expect way to much money for them.

>>14883088
just dont

>>14883101
Is there any specific reason other than
>kia
or are you just going to tell me to get a miata?

>>14881006
I wouldn't suggest getting a Saab. They're "fun", I suppose, relative to what you consider fun, but I don't think it'll be worth it.

Knew someone that had one, constantly had radiator problems and he was working on it more than driving it. He finally sold it. He bought a Volkswagen Golf GTI.

Everyone he knew was talking about how he should get a Saab... And none of them ever had one... And so he did. And now he'll never buy one again.

Sure your experience will be different, but I don't see the appeal for them.

>>14881134
>Saab parts hard to find
There is a company that still makes all sorts of Saab parts, especially newer parts.

>>14881455
Considering Volvo is Swedish, it won't be like that. There was a period of time in the mid-2000s that had some problems though, but I don't remember if the non-R Volvos suffered from it as much. If you find a specific car you're interested in, go to forums for that car. They'll know more than /o/ about specific things to look out for.

>>14881551
Northstar V8 a shit.

>>14883088
Pre-2007 or so Kia and Hyundai were not very reliable. That's why they do the really good warranties on new cars, to build back trust after the shitty cars of the early 2000s

>>14883157
I suppose so. Would a Buick from about the same time bode better? I found one with about the same mileage and year for a similar price.

>>14881221
>>14883135
Often in Saab threads there will be someone who will call them undependable, expensive for maintenance or expensive for insurance but never explains why nor answers further questions.

Tbh, look at early 2000s Buick Centurys. They're comfy, have some decent luxury features, reliable, relatively easy to work on, parts are cheap and can be had very cheap.
My fiancee bought one for 2k a few years ago, and it still runs fine. She's put about 30k miles on it, all I do is change the oil. I know a guy who had one, put 300k on it and he only changed the oil every 10-12k miles. Of course, he killed the car, but it lasted a long time of his abuse. I've seen a 300k Century that's been cared for running just fine as well.

>>14881318
>I'm going to be running anything I get into the ground (unfortunately). I have ~40k/mi year commute and I wanted something that made that time a little more comfortable/reliable/enjoyable.
get a honda/toyota/lexus/acura

>>14883172
See
>>14883182

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>>14881006
I would go for pre-facelift aero because of the looks.
Go and take a ride with it and see if you will like it. They are very dynamic, comfy/ergonomic and safe cars.

>>14883119
too many miles, over priced, constant issues, electrical, tranny, engine ... basically everything

>>14883122
Yeah, not getting a VW anything. I love German cars, but they suck too often. One of my best friends growing up entite family bought only VWs and something on them was always broke.

What about a Tarus?

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>>14883213
this
the pre facelift 2.8t is arguably the best gm era saab

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>>14883661
9-5 aero is top tier too

Bought my 93 last year. Same year, 30k more miles. Change the fuel pump and you'll be good now the most part. I love it. It's very comfy on trips if not a little hard seating.

>>14883677
Easy repair? Don't have to remove half a car to get at things?

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>>14883719
i imagine the 4 bangers wouldn't be too hard to work on


mine has the 2.8 and the engine bay is rather cramped so working on it can be difficult(as with any turbo trans mounted v6)

the spark plugs were not fun to replace

but the car has been so reliable i haven't really had to do any work on it

>>14883752
So I'm looking at 1 to 1 1/2 hour commute, are the seats comfortable for that kind of drive?

Thanks for answering my questions btw. I'm going to look into some Forums tonight.

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>>14883785
absolutely
i commute to and from school and work every day
despite having the lower firmer suspension from the aero model it's still very comfortable and quiet on the inside. The seats are very supportive and comfy. But it's best to sit in it and try it out for yourself.

>>14883181
Former 9-5 owner here.

The electricals are funny, especially the alarms and immobilizer on the 9-5. Yes alarms, there's 2 of them. The standard Opel one and the Saab one. They're not independent though, so look forward to your car locking up randomly because you put the key in wrong. The immobilizer receivers in the 99-03 models are REALLY fragile and WILL fail at some point leaving you with a car that won't start and a £300+ part. Also the areo is really heavily on fuel and the 99-01 models have a shitty 4 speed auto that refuses to drop gear in any situation, I ended up slamming mine 1-2-3-D most of the time.

I actually really liked my 9-5 but I wouldn't buy another. The 9-3s are just Opel Vectras with different body panels and interior. First gen 9-3s (the hatches) are much more fun to drive than the second gen ones (the saloons)

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>>14883661
Beautiful car, man.
2.0T is also acceptable.

>>14883667
Yes.

>>14883899
Wow, didn't knew that about the alarms.
Good that I'm not into automatics.
I won't agree about the Vectras. I guess you don't know anything much about these cars.
I dislike first gen 9-3 but I like NG900. Seems weird, right? It's just that I really like the classic 900's, the SPG's and I think that NG900 is a good reincarnation of the car in new generation. First gen 9-3 is NG900 that's ruined by late 90's design trends. I own a NG900 2.0T Tally coupe and I really like the car.

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>>14883899
>9-3s are just Opel Vectras with different body panels and interior
sure

>>14883993
>I guess you don't know anything much about these cars.

I've swapped the engine on a second gen 9-3 mate, exactly the same electrics and (base model) engine as a Astra, platform is the same as a Vectra stretched a couple inches.

I'm seriously considering picking up a 900 Turbo or 9-3 Saloon TiD since I loved my 9-5 but the immobilizer and alarms really bugged my happiness.

>>14884197
Or rather the Vectra is the stretched one, the Saab is a bit shorter. Same suspension and shit though.

Fuck Vectras, bunch of wankers. 9-3s are somehow more reliable despite being basically the same bar interior electrics and different engines if you aren't a poorfag

>>14884197
>saloon

Sedan. Say it with me. S-E-D-A-N

>>14884229
S-E-D-A-N. saloon

Sorry mate, can't break 23 years of reinforcement in proper English

>>14884215
The rear suspension should be completely different. The front suspension should be a little different, but the mounting points and setup should be about the same.

In the united states the 9-5s had completely normal reliable alarms.

>>14884254
Suspension is basically the same all around, only really difference is the spring rates.

9-5s the world over had shit double alarms until 2003

>>14884197
Yes, you forgot to mention the engines. Opels were mostly really low powered. Also a different wheelbase, improved safety, better materials, better body lacquer (these Opels rusts like crazy) and much other stuff nor improved but completely replaced with something better. And then there's also the design and build quality. Saab interior don't tend to make sound by itself. And everything is in it's right place. The ergonomics, man.

>>14884262
>Suspension is basically the same all around, only really difference is the spring rates.
the opel vectra has the ReAxs rear suspension? I seem to recall reading that one of the major dust ups between saab and gm parent was that the ReAxs required the 9-3 have its own production line.
>9-5s the world over had shit double alarms until 2003
Hmm, in the united states I have never heard of anybody having an issue with their 9-5 leaving them stranded do the alarm system.

>>14884296
>in the united states I have never heard of anybody having an issue with their 9-5 leaving them stranded do the alarm system
Nor I've heard something like that in EU. Maybe anon had some aftermarket alarm from the previous owner..

>>14884296
>the opel vectra has the ReAxs rear suspension? I seem to recall reading that one of the major dust ups between saab and gm parent was that the ReAxs required the 9-3 have its own production line.
LOL, nevermind, checked, same rear, just tuned differently.

>>14884289
The 9-3 engines are literally opel engines with a remap and/or a turbo. The interior quality is peasant tier cloth or god tier leather, seriously the cloth seats are really uncomfortable.

I've seen plenty of rusty 9-3s , although not to the level of Vectras (one was easily 70% rust, not a clean inch on it). Saab ergonomics are always god tier.

>>14884296
>>14884309
Double checking my shit, it turns out that the secondary alarm is only on the early automatics, down to a shitty connector between the neutral lockout and the main alarm making the car think it's in D at all times so it won't crank the engine.

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>>14884334
So what is your point? I said that the Saab engines are better. You are saying that they still are the same Opel engines but.. aren't.
All cars rust if they aren't taken care of. It's just that for older Opels rust was a major problem.
Don't know about newer models but old 900's and 9000's cloth seats were fine.

>its another "is a saab a decent car thread"
>followed by people who never owned a saab bitching about them
>followed by actual saab owners saying "pls buy a saab"

>>14884418
My point? I don't really know, something about 9-3s being rebadged Vectras but not quite.

9-3 cloth seats are really firm, but not in a good way. Gave me a hell of a sore back. My only REAL complaint with the 9-3 (other than the anemic base engine) is the rear legroom being non-existent. A Swedes all midgets or something? I'm only 5'11 but I could never get comfortable in the back of a 9-3

>>14884422
When the last line happened?

>>14884418
i dont think ive ever seen a newer gen 9-3 or 9-5 with cloth seats

i didnt even know that was a thing


also cloth seats in 90s cars is absolutely dank

>>14884438
Only on the really cheap models (9-3 n/a 1.8 and 1.8t but not the 1.8T, 9-5 SE only IIRC)

>>14883088
I know at that price point looks aren't the biggest concern...

But that looks like a bootleg Chinese Jaguar knock off. Like if you were to go to a run down shop in Chinatown and get a "Jaguera jx 9" from some old chink missing teeth who answers every question with "good car, very fast".

>>14884431
>9-3s being rebadged Vectras but not quite
It was the idea but Saab wasn't fans about it.

>>14884438
>90s
You mean 80's. I've sat in NG900 with cloth seats a while ago but I don't recall any discomfort. Mine has black leather seats.

>>14884460
>It was the idea but Saab wasn't fans about it.
Yeah but they didn't do much more than shuffle things a few mm out of place to make maintenance difficult for no apparent reason

>>14884468
I already responded to this previously >>14884289

>>14884418
>Don't know about newer models but old 900's and 9000's cloth seats were fine.
the classic 900 and 9000 is quite a bit different than the gm cars. Not that the GM cars are bad. But it seemed pre GM Saab wanted to make great cars with little regard to turning a profit.. which they were not doing. Keep in mind they were just as expensive as their german counter parts.

I own a 92 900, 01 9-3, 95 9000 (god tier car). briefly owned a 9-5 aero i flipped.

>>14884334
>The 9-3 engines are literally opel engines with a remap and/or a turbo
the both use the l850 engines. Which was developed by GM headquarters, Saab, and Opel.

>>14884494
>flipped
How?

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>>14884510
i think he meant he sold it
not rolled it


i think...

>>14884468
Here's a short story about this theme cause it seems that you don't like to read.
http://www.topgear.com/videos/jeremy-clarkson/tribute-saab-part-22-series-18-episode-5
And no, although I'm into architecture, I'm not an architect. And I won't buy a freackin 5 series. Will drive my Saab forever.

>>14884510
>>14884519
yeah sorry. Bought it cheap as it wasn't running. Replaced DIC. Sold for a few thousand more.

>>14884542
OH I've seen it, I just don't care enough to take it in.

E39 > 9-5. I've owned both (530d and Aero) and the E39 kicks ass. If it didn't decide to blow up a turbo I would have kept it forever. I traded it for an MG ZS+ with 23,000 miles on it, which I currently drive

>>14884567
You don't care but still try to call Saab a rebaged Opel.
And it turns out that you are into BMW's and even try to compare it with Saab. Don't know why am I still trying to discuss anything. Have a good one!

>>14884616
>Muh rebadged opel is teh greatestest thing eva!

Badge whores, don't see why I bother

>>14884567
i did the opposite
i went from an e46 to a 9-3

>>14884641
I also miss my E46, that one was a petrol. ABS issues which I swapped for the 9-5.

I might go back to Saab with a 9-3, but I'm currently running insurance quotes on a 1992 Mercedes 190D as I type, so there's that as well.

Can you get 300k/mi out of a Saab?

>>14885231
if you take care of it i see no reason why not

i remember some dude got his 900 to 1 million miles and saab gave him a new 9-5 for it

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If I get this I can just imagine how many people I'll hear 'hectic supra brah'. It's got a really good description, sounds like it's been cared for. Price is in ausbux
https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Mitsubishi-FTO-1997/SSE-AD-3849161

>>14881551

dealt with a northstar v8, they burn oil like mad and like someone pointed out they have headgasket issues.

it gets good eco so idk what the other dude was talking about though overall its not worth it

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15k maplebucks (about 12k bugerdollars) for this 97 Integra. Nice or rice?

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>>14886172
View of the guts. No chinks were involved in the kitting out of this engine

>>14884095
>sure
Yup, sure, because it's true.
Ask any mechanic that have worked on Opel and SAAB and they will say the same.
GM cheaped out so much that they used the same chassi on so many cars it's sad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM2900_platform
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Epsilon_platform
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM4200_platform

>>14886172
gross rice. 15k..

>>14887046
>it's sad
Why? And how is this a problem for you? No one is trying to deny the fact that these GM products are related. Saab did a great job with all that was available for them.
I already stated the main differences between Opel and Saab >>14884289
If you don't think that Saab is worth the extra buck, go for Opel. Or you really hate Opels? It's hard to figure what are you about.

OP. Can anyone answer my original question? If I drive the car and like the feel/drive...is this a good deal/good chance it will be a solid long(er) haul commuter?

Thanks to the on topic posters and actually quite enjoyed the Opel discussion as well.

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There is also this one in the area. An 04 9-3 Aero convert. I really don't care for convertibles and it has 106k/mi. They want 7k.

>>14888681
Yes or no? No one can decide that for you. If it is in a good condition and you like it then yes, if no, then no.

>>14888707
If you aren't so much into convertibles, why are you considering it? That 2008 2.0T looked solid. Are you searching for automatic or manual?

>>14888681
its a fair deal assuming he knocks 10 to 20% off. As far as how long i will last, that really depends on maintenance. If fluids have been changed regularly, it should make it to 200k fine and beyond.

If it hasn't received frequent oil changes.. the turbo could cause problems.

>>14888779
Either really. Prefer auto because long days/long drives. Im not fundamentally opposed to converts, but I don't prefer them.

There is also a streak of utility and practicality running through this, but i dont want a SUPER practical thing like a Corolla because I'm going to be spending a lot of time in there.

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>>14881006
That doesn't seem expensive at all. Is that about the usual value for these in there?
Here's the cheapest decent 2.0T I could find in germoney.

>>14881006
just realize that it's NOT a fast car stock
it will get beat by speed3's and WRX's and GTI's
in case that matters, it's a really comfy car otherwise

>>14888873
Im not a race car driver, so that's fine.

>>14888866
Oh, just realized that I automatically searched for manuals.

>>14888858
>SUPER practical thing
But these are super practical (except the clearance for aero) only they are more comfortable, dynamic, safer and better looking (at least for me).

>>14888873
This won't be a car for you if you are concerned about something like that. 200+ hp seems fine for daily driver comfortable and practical like this one.

>>14888912
Aren't Corollas safe?

>>14888992
https://youtu.be/9AnNSfVds9M
They are safe if you are siting in a Saab.

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>>14889000
Clearly the wrong car for suicides.

>>14881015
Only 1/3 of the parts on most GM Saabs are shared with other GM vehicles (when building vehicles they realized that many GM parts were shit and designed their own, increasing cost). It's the reason why Saab went belly-up and built such good cars.

>>14883157
The 7 year warranty on a Kia is a lie though. It's only for bodywork and it requires you to pay out of the ass for mandatory expensive servicing every year or so - otherwise that warranty is void.

>>14889105
Absolutely indestructible. Even if it landed upside down the B-pillar would still be intact.

>>14889256
Friend of mine is a director of KIA dealership. He says that he won't let any of his friends or family members buy a Korean car. They are good cars while they are brand new.

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NO!!!!!!!

This just happened to my friends Saab, crank no start turns out the problem was .....

>>14889520
>implying that this is a common problem for Saab engines that happens very often
Does your friend tends to rev high and what millage was on that engine? Also what model and engine?

Not a lot of mechanics for them im my area.

>>14890992
lel
Where do you live?

>>14891128
About 25 miles from Downtown BFE.

>>14891302
Far what specific job you need a mechanic?

>>14889520
96k miles, 900s, he started it one morning and it made terrible racket he shut it off, pulled plugs, saw something in there and pulled the head

I want a 9-5. Is 2006+ the way to go?

>>14891459
That is an extremely uncommon failure for a saab, especially without some abuse being done.

>>14891742
yes

The 9-3 SS that I ran was completely reliable, other than a clutch replacement and a propensity to eat its own lightbulbs at a terrifying rate.

The 9-5 Aero I ran drank oil and its turbo blew. Twice.

Would still have another 9-5. Comfiest car I've ever been in.

>>14887798
Oh I know SAAB made wonders on that platform, but still, being limited to the platform kinda hurt SAAB.

I own a 9-5 Aero myself.
Oh and I hate Oplels and Vauxshits.

>>14894301
>Oh I know SAAB made wonders on that platform, but still, being limited to the platform kinda hurt SAAB.
I think GM's marketing and not really knowing how to handle SAAB hurt SAAB.

It seemed they try to make it a BMW fighter, instead of saying simple 'this is SAAB, its the safest car in the world, comfy as can be, and pretty damn quick to.'

You can get 2008 Saabs, clean with MOT, for less than £1500 in the UK. Unless your money has seriously devalued, do not buy this Saab.

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>>14894345
I think GM's marketing and not really knowing how to handle SAAB hurt SAAB.
Oh and even though they owned SAAB they made sure to make it sound like they weren't good cars because while they owned them, they weren't their domestic brands so they didn't market them fairly.

>and pretty damn quick to.'
Don't know about quick though, they are FWD so they don't have fast 0-60 times but 3rd gear and up was a game changer, oh and that torque...
I have 440Nm(324lbft) in my 9-5 with 273HP and that's mighty enough for me, living in Viking land since we don't have 10 meter wide lanes with no curves.

>>14888866

You should see how cheap they are in the UK

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-Saab-9-3-2-0T-210-BHP-Aero-/111970487458?hash=item1a11f60ca2:g:-W4AAOSw95lXEpWm

>>14894301
Opel is a decent low budget car. I would rather drive Opel than some Corolla.

>>14894494
>steering wheel on right side
I really don't care.

>>14894536
Well yeah, new Opels are not even remotely like the old ones.
Anything that isn't a Kia or a Low-bud Toyota

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>>14894541
The only Opel I've considered to buy was two door Kadett E. I would stance it a bit but otherwise would keep the looks original. But I didn't found any decent one and I found the perfect NG900 as my first car. It's a rare one and I'm quite happy with it.
I've seen a two door wagon Kadett. That would be a cool rare car to own. Opels also have a great history. The reputation declined when a greater competition appeared and GM had quality standards a bit too low.

>>14886182
i-is that a Jackson Racing Supercharger on that? Rice can be fixed but those JRSCs are rare as fuck

>>14881006
once a car has clocked over 100k km it's worth about 500$ at most. the reason being that the owner is not willing to pay for all the servicing it needs done and parts are getting more rare and expensive.

>>14881551
see above. way too expensive. 170km is a dead beater. fuck no. unless it's been owned by someone who gives a shit about their car.
protip: nobody gives a shit about their car
>only one woman owner
you mean the oil was only changed every 40 000km?

>>14894707
Will you give me your car for 500$ when it will be over 100k?

>>14894707
Fuck off. It's equally retarded to buy new or wven worse lease. Guess who eats the devaluation cost? The dummy, that's who.

>>14895087
>It's equally retarded to buy new
So it's retarded to buy a car?
I would have to be filthy rich to buy a new car. Find a good older car in a good condition and try to keep it that way. It will be cheaper and it will be more ecological.

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>>14894707
>>14895087
Find a good quality car that you like, maintain it properly by regularly changing the fluids (use oils that are recommended by manufacturer), fix a problem immediately when ever one appears, use parts original as possible, regularly wash and wax it, don't keep it on side of a road and don't drive like a moron (in any case). You will have a car for life if that's what you want.

Decided against it. Don't want to pay an arm and a leg for parts/prem fuel.

Are the wagons any good?

>>14899375
briefly borrowed a 9-5 Aero estate and it was fantastic, wish I could have kept it
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>>14894404
This. They considered Saab to be proletarian, while Saab considered itself to be in Audi territory.

>>14894536
New Opels are pretty decent compared to the old horror days of the Vectra.

>>14900486
Yeah exactly.

Also speaking of Opels and older horrors.
Skoda, they have risen from the depth of rustoptia.