>The Insurance Institute For Highway Safety just released

>>14832631
nah its not. natural selection, we need the population control

AND I NEED THE SPEED

>>14832631

Agreed but only if insurers pass along the savings. They better not benefit from lower injury and fatality payouts while charging customers the same.

>>14832631
33000 lives over 20 years? Nah m8, thats almost insignificant. Thats the reason they quoted raw numbers over 20 years instead of a rate like a percent increase in highway fatalities or percentage of total deaths. Do you realize how many people die over 20 years?

gotta go fast

>>14832653
This

Also cellphones

So how high does the limit need to be to wipe out Americans entirely over the next 20 years?

>>14832653
This. Make texting have a no-warning policy and have the punishment be jail time, enforce it strictly, and watch the accident rate drop.

>>14832653

>that's insignificant

I thought the Chinese were blocked from posting on 4chan

>>14832670
>that is insignificant
Did you drop out of grade school?

>>14832667

>punishment be jail time
>a whole slew of people lose their jobs and have trouble getting another one because a cell phone

1. That's stupid
2. It would thankfully never fly

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>>14832670
>>14832653
Lel nvm

>>14832679
>text and drive
>OK in your book

"No."

IF I'M RESTRICTED TO 55 MPH ON A BACKROAD IN THE MIDDLE OF CORNFIELD ILLINOIS, I'M GOING TO INTENTIONALLY T-BONE THE FIRST PIG WITH A HAIRDRYER I SEE PARKED IN A TURNAROUND. FUCK THESE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T DEAL, THEY DESERVED TO DIE.

THERE ARE NO TRACKS NEAR ME HOLY SHIT

>>14832639
>AND I NEED THE SPEED
THIS

I DON'T HAVE REACTION IMAGES ON MY PHONE, SOMEONE SPOT ME.

>>14832679
Doesn't Virginia already jail speeders?

And the company try as a whole has no problem incarcerating teenagers for possessing small amounts of marijuana

>>14832684

>I don't think people should be imprisoned for it means I think it should be legal

:/

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Teaching people to drive better? Where do you think you are, communist France? This is Murrika!! We'll lower the speed limits instead and put trigger happy cops on every highway!

>>14832631
Sure. Lets completely ignore how much safer cars have gotten over time, and force people to drive ridiculously slow.

>just a few minutes

@ 55 mph it would take you 1 hour and 50 minutes to travel 100 miles. This would be less than 90 minutes at 70. Now make this trip 500 miles and it becomes an almost 2 hour difference. A few minutes my ass.

I would like to counter with this:
https://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/usenet-arc/sub00192/msg00008.html

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>>14832686

>>14832653
this
it's like headlining an article "increased usage of airplanes have caused x amount of deaths over the last 20 years"
clickbait at its finest

>>14832679
Maybe it'll be incentive for people to stop fucking texting if the punishment was that severe

>>14832631
>Saving a few minutes isn't worth 33,000 lives.
I don't think we'd be friends

>>14832716

Worked with drugs, right?

Both texting and talking on the phone while driving should be outlawed, no hands free bullshit either. Its been proven numerous times that concentration decreases, eye movement decreases. Nothing you have to say is important enough to risk a collision. If you need to take a call pull off the road.
All the dumbshits who try to eat full meals out of tupperware can get heavily penalized too, same for everyone putting on makeup in their mirrors while driving.

Speed limits aren't the problem, shitty drivers are the problem. In almost every case shitty drivers are distracted drivers.

>>14832703

It's okay, at least I'll be stuck in traffic when the c concert I'm going to explodes.

>>14832730
Yeah, and put the passengers in a seperate cabin so the driver can't talk to them.

>>14832730

Some lady down here in Florida pulled off the road to make a call. A plane had a mechanical failure and made an emergency landing on the road she was on, hit her car, sending the bumper flying into the cabin killing her.

>>14832739
>pulling off the road to make a call causes planes to crash

Nice train of logic.

>>14832739
I'm pretty sure that can fall under the category of freak accident

>>14832707
Thanks, oniichan.

Careless and distracted drivers are more dangerous than speedy drivers.

>Go faster
>More energy
>Hit a wall because you're not paying attention
>Surprised when people die
Wow, it's fucking nothing!

>>14832631
It would be nice because you could drive 95mph without worrying about a ticket

Tickets should be given out based on family income, so those rich fucks who swerve in Ferraris can get a hefty $50k fine that they'll feel in their wallets

>>14832769
Or based on horsepower, because you purchase a more powerful in full awareness that they're easier to turn into a danger to public traffic. Exhibit A: Mustangs and Camaros.

>>14832779
It doesn't matter how much power your car has, if you don't know how to drive you're gonna crash it

Australia pls go

>>14832779
I've seen more Ford Taurus and Toyota Camry shitboxes on the road going over 90 than any high displacement sports car.
Driving through the Dakotas some highways the speed limit is 80, and there will be middle age women in budget sedans, seat all the way forward, totally hunched over the wheel, driving 100mph~ in the center lane.

>>14832693
They jail speeders after 20 over I think? Triple digit speeds is a guaranteed trip to the pokey

>>14832631
Correlation does not equal causation.
Since 1988 we have had a 28% increase in number of drivers on the roads.
Meanwhile, number of traffic deaths have gone down about a third even though we have many more drivers on the road.
Also, miles traveled by US drivers have gone up 921 million miles a year from 1988.
They're cherry picking facts to arbitrarily whine about something.

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>>14832631

>90 million more people on the road
>Yep must be the higher speed limits causing more fatalities

Correlation =/= causation.

As a rough estimate, that's what, an extra 4 fatalities a day for 20 years? Does this study account for population growth? Does it account for changes in licensing testing regulations? Does it exclude fatalities from people driving over the speed limit at time of accident? These all seem like external factors that could also have caused an increase in highway driving fatalities.

>>14832679
We do exactly that over drunk driving.

Then, consider that cell phone use while driving:
*Causes a similar degree of impairment
*Is generally done by someone who, unlike a drunk driver, does not have compromised judgment
*Can be stopped by the driver at any time, unlike drunkenness which cannot be ceased at will

In a way, texting and driving is WORSE THAN DRUNK DRIVING, and anyone stupid enough to partake should be punished harshly.

>>14832631

Oahu's speed limit is 55 for major highways, excluding two small stretches where it is 60, and 45 on highways that go through town.

I've never seen or heard about more accidents in my entire life than while living there.

It's not speed that is at fault here, seriously.

Some body of people did an experiment testing roads without speed signs. If I remember correctly, accidents decreased because people could move at a rate of speed comfortable to them and to move out of other people's way. They also didn't have to look down at their dash every 10 seconds to make sure they weren't speeding, which isn't a big deal with a glance, but people become fixated on it for one reason or another. This was before people jerked off to porn on their phones while driving, so YMMV. I'll try and find the link, since I don't have it on me.

>>14832931
Already posted it here: >>14832706

>>14833130
Damn, that's what I get for not opening that link.

Thanks for pointing it out.

So how many man-years were wasted sitting in slow traffic with the 55mph limit?

Protip: we're all going to be dead in 80 years.

I would commit sudoku if I had to drive at 55mph on a highway

I will take my chances. The fed fucking with my state's highways is like me telling someone else's children how fast they can run in their yard. If little Billy falls and hits his head on the deck, it's his own fault and he will learn from it. If a state has a particularly high number of retards on their highways then THEY should be the one to handle it, not the Federal government.

The entire reason we have states is so that each one can tailor it's laws to match it's environment, acting independantly from each other based on their needs and wants.

>>14832843

The study states rates are based on "deaths per billion miles traveled" so the increase is drivers is already accounted for.

>>14832639
/thread/

>>14832631
>implying i follow any speed limit
>55?75?
I dont give a fuck, i go 95+ and no one can stop me

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>>14832686
I'M ILLINOIS TOO AND FUCK THIS SHIT. WEED OUT THE WEAK AND SLOW WHILE I ASCEND TO VALHALLA!

>>14832631
>The past 20 years have heightened speed rates
>Oh and also the popularization of the single largest cause of distracted driving: The cellphone.

>But it's the speed limits' fault. Remember, no fun allowed!

>>14832705
>safer cars
This makes people drive more dangerously really. Main thing is with how insulated cars are nowadays you can't really tell if you're going that fast, so people do

I find it similarly hard to drive at 40 km/h in school zones. I just can't drive that slowly without going mad.

If there are no cameras around I just drive the normal limit pretty much

>>14833359
More drivers per billion miles traveled, shitdick

I'd be more dangerous if the speed limits were lowered, since I'd feel agitated and bored. I pay the most attention when I'm going 10 over

>>14832631
Rural roads are not freeways, why would they put them both in the same study.

A freeway at 75-80 is probably a lot safer than a two way rural road with no center divider at 50

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>>14834619
Damn son, our school zones are 30km/h. It's pretty hurting, especially when they make them like three blocks long because children might walk there. And they're all 9am-5pm.

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>so youre telling me
>the faster we go
>the more idiots die?
>mfw

>>14834619

Ours are 15mph here.

It creates a bumper to bumper line of traffic which makes any sort of turn across traffic or pull from a driveway impossible during school zone hours.

>>14834989

This. I get frustrated as shit when I'm stuck going slow. And I tend to do 20+ over the speed limit anyway. More if I'm in the middle of nowhere.

>>14832631
Think of how many lives would be saved if we never left our houses at all.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN. JUST STAY HOME

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>>14832631

I really appreciate the people of the IIHS. The cars of today would probably be much less safe without them.

I have confidence that the death rates will drop significantly as more self driving cars become common.

http://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=bb8568ee-b1c1-4f47-adb2-dc2b73eaa6c4&subId=304019

Funny, in Australia, the opposite is being called for

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>>14832631
>Saving a few minutes isn't worth 33,000 lives.
In your opinion maybe.

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>>14832653
33000 / 365 = 90 lives a day. But this is over 20 years so 33000 / 20 is 1650 deaths a year, or less than 5 a day. More people die every year to heart disease and obesity.

Basically if you use math, the the shock value of the clickbait article is gone.

>>14835380
>Thinking cars would be unsafe w.o gov intervention
Nader plz. Cars would be usage only if people knowingly chose to buy unsafe cars.

http://youtu.be/zNtKk2EmI-o

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SAY IT WITH ME

SELF-DRIVING TESLAS

no more driving in the 90's 4 u.

>>14835452

The IIHS isn't ran by the government.

>>14832701
>implying something as dangerous as drunk driving should be legal.

>>14837479
>being illiterate
He was talking about texting and driving you dumbass.

>>14835452
true
"muh safeties" is just another selling point
Many people are willing to buy new car just "because it's safer" even though it'll be slower, less reliable, worse equipped, less economical than their current ride.

>>14832701
Well, that's the problem right there, you thought that people cared for your thoughts. The simple fact is that people who text and drive are so self-absorbed that they will put the burning need to send their friend that emoji before the safety of others on the road. This level of self-absorption is intolerable. If you are operating a fucking vehicle, operate a fucking vehicle. If you want to fuck around with your phone, take mass transit, because I honestly believe that texting and driving should warrant and execution on the spot, just like going the speed limit in the passing lane or failing to zipper merge.

>>14832722
It worked with drunk driving. See what happens when you don't try to compare apples to oranges?

>>14832631
what about using Nevada as a control sample

>>14837488
He was mentioning that texting while driving is as dangerous as driving drunk, you pseudo-intellectual waste of sperm. Go apologize to your parents for being born.

>>14837517
>says texting while driving shouldn't be punishable by jail time
>never mentions drunk driving
Learn to read you fucktard.

>>14837520
Dawww, wook at baby back pedal desperately as he gets fwustwated. Sorry faggot, but there's more than one person mocking your stupidity. Let me guess, public schools? Lots of participation ribbons?

>>14837537
>damage control because you're legimately retarded
>your invisible friends join in on attempted mockery when you're the one that's stupid
Try again. Drunk driving was never mentioned in any of the posts leading up to the comment in which you replied.

>>14837555
Awww, he's still going! Wook at him grasp at straws! How adorable!
Once again, since you need this diagrammed out for you in crayon: The post was implying that texting while driving is as dangerous as driving drunk hence "implying that something AS dangerous AS (those of us who passed our english classes recognize this as a simile.) driving drunk should be legal." Sorry, no gold star today, champ.

>>14837555
>i-i-i-i know it's you anon!
Thanks for sharing your hobbies with us, anon. Honestly though, sock puppeteering on a slow board on 4chan isn't something you want to talk about.

>>14837563
Kek. You replied to >>14832701, which was a reply to >>14832684. You are so delusional that you really have no idea what's going on. But go ahead, prove me wrong and link the post that mentions the bullshit you're trying to prove.

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>>14837563
>>14837555
>>14837537
>>14837520
>>14837517
Daily reminder: arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics. You may win, but you're still retarded.

>>14837563
>>14837566
>samefagging to make yourself look like less of a retard than you actually are
Nice try.

>>14837580
>damage control intensifies

>>14837581
>Projection continues, intensifies
What a sad little man.

>>14837581
>>14837580
>Literally accusing other people of doing exactly what you attempted with this shitpost. Oh anon, you're far too autistic for even this board. Back to R9K with all the other chromosomal waste products.

>>14837555
It was a substitution, you blithering idiot.

>something as dangerous as drunk driving
Refers to
>texting and driving

This is obvious. Don't go calling people illiterate when your own comprehension can't keep up with the discussion.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J548XM9-jKU

>>14837596
Kek. Okay kid. You keep believing whatever it is you want by extrapolating bullshit claims from a simple post. Don't forget to keep samefagging your autistic spastic responses to make it appear as though people shit their pants, smear their fingers in it, eat some, then proceed to type nonsense while pretending to know what you're talking about.

>>14837617
>Escalating nonsense and cries of "samefag"

Oh well, I tried. Keep embarrassing yourself if you must.

In a perfect world full of smart people:

Minimum speed required is 80 MPH on the highway.
No maximum speed limit.

Time to get hektik.

What if self driving cars are capable of doing over 150 mph consistently and optimize the traffic flow so you never have to stand still again? Would you be for it?

>>14834853
not per billion miles of road, per billion miles driven. More drivers drive more miles.

Still doesn't account for increased car density though

>>14835499
SAY IT WITH M...

*dies*

>>14832631
>tfw in nc people with their phones out in their car when honked at turn emergency lights on.
>wont get off road.
Why do people do this.

>>14837631
>doesn't prove me wrong on samefag call because it's true
>never links post where even context would suggest that drunk driving and texting offenses are related
You're right, you should give up because you're full of shit.

>>14837638
Their text is more important than your life, fucko. Jesus, get a life. Maybe then you'd text in your car like a normal person.

>>14837640
Ok, kiddo. You can quit being cute now.

>>14837635
I think this will actually be the beginning of a broader move to push human-controlled vehicles off the road.

Speeds that high would also increase the carrying capacity of a highway, so it'd start with designated "self driving only" lanes replacing carpool lanes.

Then, adoption of self-driving vehicles increases, more lanes will be allocated to them until highways become closed entirely to human-controlled vehicles.

It will then bleed out from there, starting in dense urban areas, with more and more main roads being closed off, until you can't effectively get around in a traditional car (or afford to insure one for that matter).

>>14837650
Maybe manual cars could get their own slow lanes. At that point, self driving cars could probably anticipate and avoid manual cars better than any human, essentially protecting the last vestiges of enthusiast from dying by another's hand.

>>14837640
>he's still crying

>>14837640
"proving" it isn't worth the effort because your spastic ass will just claim it was shooped anyway.

But if you care that much, I'm
>>14832909 (unrelated)
>>14837596
>>14837631
>>14837650 (also unrelated)
and that's it- not that you'll take my word for it. Obviously I can't validate whether others are samefagging, but since some posts aren't mine it's clear at least two anons are calling out your stupidity.

>>14837668
This post is also me. I'm sorry for lashing out at you, bro. Let's agree to stop arguing and talk about speed limits. I won anyway, kek.

>>14837654
Right, self-driving cars will need to be extremely safe around manual cars before they're allowed for use at all. So, safety won't be the issue in banning traditional vehicles outright- it will be the "need" to not have slow manual vehicles holding up traffic.

>>14837635
No because driving is one of the largest social constructs of responsibility. Adults who can drive have at least some credibility in society. Those who can't, either because they can't pass the test, or can't afford even a shitbox, or got their license taken away, are automatically distinguished as failures in society.

Driving teaches hard facts about life in a physical way, which some people really need because that's how they learn. You have to pay insurance, keep up on maintenance, fill up with gas, check oil levels, etc. The list of responsibilities goes on. Theres also people who use driving as a release for stress. Often times I find myself quietly going for a calm drive when I am stressed out and need a break. It helps me redirect my attention from whatever is bothering me to focusing on the road. There are also many jobs depending on driving. Taxi's, bus drivers, pizza delivery boys, package deliveries, medical response units, etc. Whats going to happen to them? They knew one thing, they were damn good at driving. I wouldn't take that away from them.

If and when self-driving cars do actually enter the market, it will be a merging between regular and autonomous cars. They will have to share the road with us. From a technological standpoint, we aren't there yet. The cars use LIDAR, which is sensitive to interference. That's going to have to be solved when there are thousands of LIDAR systems in close proximity to one another in a road environment. Another problem is the legal issue of crashes. If there are humans on the road alongside the autonomous ones, a collision between the two is bound to occur in some form. Who is to blame?

It's too early yet.

>>14837689
>No because driving is one of the largest social constructs of responsibility. Adults who can drive have at least some credibility in society. Those who can't, either because they can't pass the test, or can't afford even a shitbox, or got their license taken away, are automatically distinguished as failures in society.

This is already changing, as much of the emerging generation seems to reject this notion outright. As autonomous vehicles become more and more viable/attainable, it won't be long before driving a car is perceived the same way driving stickshift is seen today- that is, positive but utterly unnecessary.

And that doesn't even get into how insurance companies are almost certainly going to fuck over people who insist on driving their cars, once the issues with self-driving liability are sorted out.

I absolutely agree with you on the merits of driving, but I also believe that we are in an ever-shrinking minority that feels that way. To the masses, cars are mere transportation appliances, and would happily pass on the task of actively operating one if given the option.

>>14837513

Delet this.

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>Be ausfag
>highest speedlimit is 110km/h and rarely 120km/h
>Nobody bothers with them
>Poor cunts get fined randomly every other day/week/month when coppas come out with lidar radar and mobile speed cameras
People are speeding up if anything its just revenue raising horseshit.

DONT let it happen to you america dont belive their lies most people die in low speed crashes 30mph-60mph

Really, the best speed limit is the one 80% of drivers drive. Because a car doing 75 crashing into one doing 60 causes worse damage than a car doing 90 crashing into one doing 85.

>>14837818
This post reeks of a certain retard..
Approx 10% allowance in read speed in every state except cucktoria
NT has no limit roads

>50mph+
> low speed crash
What

>>14837836
> people are actually this stupid

>no speed limits on Autobahn
>number of deaths steadily declining for years.

Americans are just shit with cars whether it is building or driving them.

>>14837818
>everyone breaks the speed limit by at lest 10 kph all the time
>in passing lanes they brake it by 50 to 80 kph

>>14837859
QLD is less than 1% allowance
NSW has no allowance your full of shit cunt
>>14837896
This its fucking nuts

Americans dont even know the hell that is the 2 lane expressway they goes back to 1 lane non divided w/ overtaking lines its fucked up.

>>14837907
I drive a 2 lane highway with no passing lane to get to school every day.
Fuckers going the speed limit in both lanes back traffic up for miles.
It spreads out to 3 lanes for like a second but they always put a speed cop at the end of it.

>>14837916
The traffic is not backed up if you can still go at the speed limit.

>>14837946
LOL look at this lowspeed cunt

>>14837946
There's a difference between backed up and flowing slower than normal.

that one guy with a horse float
random tractor out of nowhere
the day grandma decided 70 kph was the speed limit here

>>14837859
That allowance sure as hell doesn't exist in WA.
Going to require a citation for your outstanding claim.

>>14837971
its up to 4% last i checked in nsw and thats up to the officers disgression.

unless your REALLY speeding like 15km+ over in a 100-120zone then your asking for it

>>14837960
>Tourist/Idiot going 60km/h on a 100km/h single road
>Chink tourist driving in the middle of a 1 lane rural road
>Cyclists who ride in the middle of said 1 lane rural roads with no bike lanes or edges
Fuck em next cunt that does that can spin offf and hit a tree

>>14837981
>last I checked in the uncitable encyclopedia of me
>that relevant when the enforcing parties feel like it
Super cool story bro.

>>14837987
Wait that last one is questionable.
I think most cyclists are cunts but at least he's trying to be as out of the way as possible.

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>>14837595
Is that right?

>>14837987
>rural roads with no bike lanes or edges
drainage ditches are comfy sometimes

>Increased car density
>Talking/texting
>General distracted driving
>Lack of proper driver education
>Reckless driving(Blind merges, rapid lane changes, not signaling, etc.)

These are usually what's responsible for accidents. A old friends father had a radio that ran all the time in his living room since he worked as a tow truck driver for a living. We would hang on in the living room and do fuck all while usually listening to the incoming reports. The cops over the radio would make chatter about accident scenes and give some details such as any deceased persons and what the victims were claiming.

Worst one I ever heard was about a sedan that ran a light right as a truck was going through and went straight under the trailer. Responders werent taking the fact easily that everything from their chest-up was a bloody spray in the wreckage.

>>14837728

Those people without cars? They always know who to ask when they need to suddenly do more than walk to the grocery co-op for more free trade double organic coffee beans.

It's someone who was productive enough to need a vehicle.

>>14838239
You mean, Uber? :)

And it's only a matter of time before the Ubers start to show up without drivers.

>>14832679
>a whole slew of people lose their jobs and have trouble getting another one because they pose a significant danger to everyone else
Seems perfect 2bh

>>14832722
IIRC there has been a significant decrease in drug use since it's been criminalized. So yes, it did work.

>>14832666
just give us an autobahn

>>14834605
what is a speedometer

>>14832792
>Toyota Camry shitboxes
The Camry is a GOOD CAR

>>14835293
NEETs saving the world by staying at home

>>14832631
Calculate the increase of population within the last 20 years. You're fucking retarded and so is the writer of that shitty article.

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>>14835049
>mfw 120kmh limit

Cruise control at 159 and cruise all day

>>14832679
>Economy collapses
>Thanks, conservatives

>>14832631

>not murdering 33,000 people over a 20 year span
NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>14832631
My state is 75 out of city limits, next major towns East and West are 60 miles and then 120 miles, pretty much the same North and South
Remember when it was 55, state police would jam you for a mile over, took forever to get somewhere
Couple of bad points, tractor-trailers are allowed to do 75, the shake and bob all over the place, lots of them crash and shhot off the road, a quick look for your drink at 75 vs 55 is major, I drive a 1987 Nissan Pickup, my 4 cylinders cn in no way do 75 so 65 for me and lots of middle fingers my way
Should see all the old folks in their motorhomes all of the fucking road and the guys with trailers with the tiny wheels I have seen a ton bounce, bounce, then twist and pop goes the weasel
Likes visiting Montana when they had NO daytime speed limit, was a lot of fun, until I blew a tire in a rental car, it seems it wasn't rated to 125, whoops

You gotta love 'common sense" bureaucrats

>The world has changed in many ways
>Attitudes towards driving, driver education, and distracted driving have changed significantly
>We'd sooner operate a fucking GPS while whizzing around the road system than pull over to check the digital map
>We're totally okay with talking on the phone as long as it's hands free, because the number of hands on the wheel is what matters, not the distraction
>But the cause is clearly speed limits

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>>14832631
Traffic is fucking shit in Austin as it is, lowering the speed limits could turn saving a few lives into losing even more hours in traffic. Anyone who thinks that lowering the limits is a good idea can fuck right off and die in a fire.

>>14843833
>higher speed limits make it impractical and possibly illegal to drive shit cars, and may even necessitate a separate network of roads specifically for slow moving vehicles and truck traffic, possibly optimized for their more limited set of destinations
>higher speed limits kill shitty drivers who don't know how to drive beyond dodging cones and parallel parking

200mph speed limits when

>>14840755
Source, most drugs have been criminalized for quite a while. I've been looking for statistics but can't find any that go back before nixons war on drugs in the early 70's.

>>14832631
>Saving a few minutes isn't worth 33,000 lives.
You mean the literal billions of man hours a year it saves?