Japan hasnt produced a car like this in so long that is affordable

>>14830182
>Japan hasnt produced a car like this in so long that is affordable
The Miata has been in continuous production since 1989

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>>14830182
>paying 17k-30k for a slow ass NA flat fucked up engined riced from the factory car who's only redeeming factor is being RWD

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>>14830193
Miata is a roadster convertable Hur dur why its a meme car

how is this the same thing ? it has 4 seats and more practical

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>>14830194
17 k is the price range for a second hand
30k is a price range for it brand new

what is the issue?

i don't see the issue with that 2bh

as a car you can daily, and have fun with there is zero issue

>>14830200
>four seats
nice meme
those seats are literally just there for insurance reasons
>how is this the same thing ?
Small cheap RWD sports car

Like every other thread the engine leaves a lot to be desired, the power delivery throughout the band has an obvious torque dip that prevents it from being all it could be. You can't even get rid of it with a reflash. Second of all for the price they could've given you an extra 40hp because it desperately needs it, this isn't 1989 where a shit ka24 could be making that. Why does it come on heavy wheels and shit tires?

Why would you buy this over an s2k?

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There isn't a meme around it.

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All the controversy you need

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>>14830232
an s2k = discontinued, less parts
have u found a s2k under 20 k?

Ap1 s2k seems to sell for 23k

why would u buy a 15 year old car for the price of a brand new

I'd rather spend the 20k+ you pay for these things and buy a nice FD.

>>14830289
This
Why would you get a Toyobaru when you can get a giantkiller brapmobile

>>14830222
>those seats are literally just there for insurance reasons

Thinking 4 seats has any impact on insurance outside your little shithole country.

>>14830284
You can easily buy an s2k under 15, also way to ignore the rest of the issues with the car like the iffy front suspension and generally bad engine

>>14830371
> thinking it doesn't

Nigga just how dumb are you

>>14830182
For me its the engine it just seems like such shit. Its an econobox na boxer engine. Even if it had the same HP with a high revving engine it would be much be more appealing

>>14830232
>dat shitty engine
>>14830585
>generally bad engine
>>14830610
>engine such shit

You miserable plebs never cease to amaze how you shitcan the whole thing based on things that aren't a deal breaker and ability to ignore things like emissions laws etc. It has the maximum power reliable power while maintaining fuel economy and emissions targets.
Tell us then, what SHOULD Toyota and Subaru have done to "get it right"?

It's literally the best mix of price, handling, decent looks (subjective) and modification base. It's so on the money, no one can copy it because they'd have to invest in a competing product, which they won't sell profitably and be branded a shitty copy.

I don't even own one (my brother does though) and aren't going to buy one, but I can see why it's such a great overall car for the money.

>>14831130
A sub-par engine IS a dealbreaker though in something that is ostensibly a sports car.

>>14830182
The problem with the 86 is the absolute trash engine. Thats why people hate it. Toyota or even subaru couldve said fuck no to the retarded flat four engine and done a much simpler straight 4 or straight 6 that actually made power but subaru wanted to to do the whole 'look how unique I am goiz' and fucked it up royally

>>14831130
A 4cyl Toyota engine would of been much better imo.

its only really a meme online/in the us

>>14830279
/thread

>>14831157
It's not really a matter of being "unique". It's a matter of engine balancing and center of gravity.

The boxer engine is a great platform with many benefits over an Inline and V configuration.

Is 200hp really that bad in a 2800lb car? I don't think so. The miata does very well with 160 (granted it's lighter). Either way, no one is stopping you from modifying the engine. Would more power be better from the first? Sure, but what you have already is damn good for the money.

Simple breather mods such as intake/header/cat-back exhaust and maybe a tune would make this car a ton of fun on any backroad (even though it is already from the factory).

When people compare this car to an S2000, Miata, S-chassis, etc. I think they're forgetting that each car had their own specialty that made them great, but the aftermarket is what made them amazing.

The S2000 had a ridiculous engine output for being N/A. The Miata was underweight. The S-chassis had the SR20DET (US got the torquey, but underpowered KA24DE, that people swap out almost everyday).

The key here is that all these cars had great chassis, good aftermarket, and a big following. They're comparable, but they are all special in their own way that you can't compare to the other)

>>14830193
But the 86 twins are good.

>>14830371

>being this retarded

No wonder you like the Toyobaru

Ok, so lets play a game. Lets assume that the ONLY engine that will fit in that chassis is a Flat 4. Let's also assume that Subaru is the one who has to make it.

So, what are some real world examples of flat four engines designed by Subaru that are good?

EJ25

That's literally it. It's the only good current Flat-4 engine that Subaru makes. It's used in the STi. It's used for swaps all around the world. It makes great torque and power throughout the entire rev range. It also has a HUGE aftermarket ALREADY PRESENT for it. But for some reason, they didn't do that. They designed the weak ass FA20 that is only 2 liters, has a 12.7 compression ratio, and only has a bore of 86mm. What all of that means in laymans terms is that it's not suited for a turbo very well without having to change the compression ratio, which means changing the pistons.

If they wanted to go the lightweight, high-revving naturally aspirated route, they should have gone with a much higher bore-stroke ratio. They couldn't do that though because it would have cost them more in engineering time to design an oversquare engine that ALSO had good emissions.

In short, they cut corners on the FA20's design in order to meet the deadline that I assume Toyota and Subaru made for the project.

I personally would much rather have seen an EG33 in the car. It is a 3.3 Liter Flat-6 with DOHC, 97mm Bore x 75mm Stroke, and makes 240 HP. It already had been designed and is a great engine.

And this ladies and gentlemen, is why they dropped the ball on the FR-S/BR-Z. They made a great chassis, great suspension, modern looks, and then they just decided to take a nap with the engine. My guess is that beancounters and tension between Toyota and Subaru prevented them from redesigning the engine during testing.

>>14831542
>underweight

You mean lightweight?

You make it sound like the miata has an eating disorder or something.

>>14830610
I never got this. It makes 100hp/L
Can't be all bad

>>14831630
see >>14831609

>>14830194
what else costs 17-30 k new and is in some way better ?

>buying non-american cars

It's like you hate your own country.

>>14831645
wrx

>>14831542
>Is 200hp really that bad in a 2800lb car
YES

It has a 0.5s slower 0-60 than the new MX-5.

People complain that the MX-5 is underpowered, but the FR-S is worse in every single way except that it has 4 seats. hur dur.

>>14831647
imported car markets are the least of our worries

>>14831639
That's all bullshit. Anon isn't taking into account the new engineering challenges.
And when you're designing a car, you aren't designing it for the aftermarket. It's designed to meet gov regulations.
I've got somewhere to be but I can elaborate when I come back.

>>14830591
Having working in the insurance industry I can say for a fact it dosn't have an impact. Typical /o/tist responce post something wrong about somthing you know nothing about.

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>>14831645

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>>14831656
It has more space and is faster round a track as well.

>>14830232
>can't even get rid of it with a reflash
is boxer problem iirc
some change to the exhaust manifold can help
big thing holding stock power back is emission target and weak gearbox

>>14831676
Driver was retarded or track is bias and has little shifting.

I've seen like 20 results of the MX-5 being far faster around a track.

>>14831685
I've never even a sauce for that pic, it's probably just a shitposting memelaptimes

>>14831645
Ecoboost Mustang

>>14831676
Lmao they say it wins a "round" by having 3 more torque when it's 500lbs heavier.

What bullshit lies that is. Good source. Why don't you tell me what Drew Barrymore thinks of your piece of shit car too? That'll surely decide it, you fucking retard.

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>>14831671
neat

>>14831700
Its people like you that are wrong with /o/

Their both good cars, miata slightly faster, the 86 is slightly easier to live with. There called trade-offs, pros and cons, something /o/ doesn't understand

Usable or not, backseats are still nice to have for storage. The 86 feels bigger on the inside too, Anybody over 6' will feel a lot more comfortable

>>14831665
I wrote that.

Why is it bullshit? What do you mean by new engineering challenges? Just because you design a a new-ish engine doesn't give you an excuse for it to be shitty.

As far as government emissions stuff goes, all it comes down to controlling emissions is accuracy of AFR's, how good you want to build your catalytic converters, and your combustion chamber temperatures. Those three are the deciding factors for what comes out of the tailpipe. In my examples I purposefully chose engines already in existence in production Subaru cars. Those engines met emissions. The EJ25 is STILL meeting emissions in the STi. I don't see the problem here.

>>14831728
No it's not, retard.

It's people that post retarded meme fake laptimes and retard meme fake comparisons that are what's wrong with /o/

>>14831496
This.
An I4 would have made the car.

>>14831738
Relying on lap times and dyno sheets is what's wrong with the entire car community.

>>14831754
I agree also

I wish it was solely a Toyota project

>>14831496
>>14831754
>>14831758
with Yamaha help
really Toyota needs them

might have to be a slant 4 given the bonnet hight

>>14831766
>high revving yahama powered 86

my dick would 100% pure diamond

>>14831668

>having working

Then why was the idx designed with unusable back seats? Checkmate atheists

>>14831772
there is history of this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_Motor_Company#Automobile_engines
also this thing
http://retroscenemag.com/post/Toms-3K-R-Engine.aspx

>>14831807
The idx was just a meme machine, and would face the same criticisms as the toyobaru.

>>14831730
They weren't designing that motor for current regs you retard.
They needed a new motor for the future requirements.
I love how you just list things like they're sooo easy to do.
You also forget that these things have to be manufactured too.
Now you have supply chain requirements. All the while keeping the price down.

>>14831609
Have you even driven the thing?
The K20 in the RSX made what, 210hp/l?
This makes 100hp/l all while hitting tough upcoming regs.
Why do you hate this motor?
Take off your rose tinted glasses m8. It's not 2005 anymore.

>>14831647
>supporting the UAW

nah senpai I'd much rather give my money to some salaryman in Japan than some drugged up, flyover-state, socialist fatso

>>14831645
GT mustang is 30k.

The problem is that the engine is shit. The car is pig slow. It's RWD, and that's it.

>>14831645
370z

>>14832271
>GT Mustang
>Slow

Have you ever driven one? They're not fucking slow

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It costs the same as an AE86 did 30 years ago and has 100 more HP. Works for me, lil nigga.

I don't understand all this bullshit people are spewing about it being tough to make good engines because of regulations.

Fucking babby shitbox sedans like the Chrystler 200 are getting 300HP engines now days.

Why does hp/l even matter?

Put a 2.2l engine in it and problems solved, retards.

But no, they fucked up and put an underpowered 2.0l in it, or made it too heavy when it could have weighed like 10% less with the dimensions it has.

It's slower AND less comfortable AND worse handling than the RX8 was despite weighing a bit less.

>>14832307
>I cant read

Super overpriced here in switzerland, around 35-40k for gt86

The new miata is 20-25k

Prices differ big here between manufacturer

>>14831630
Basically its just a problem with myself hating Subaru's, they are just so boring to me and over hyped. Yeah boxer engines are cool in performance applications (Porsche) but economy boxer engines found in every Subaru besides the sti absolutely disgust me I couldn't care if it changed the weight distribution of a car from 65/35 to 50/50 with 85% of the weight being below the floor, I just wouldn't want it because Subaru made it. I really think a big part of my hate comes from how much people talk them up here in the north east, like really do people not understand how awd works? its not a fucking miracle here just buy snow tires and learn2drive

inb4 ive never driven a Subaru

>>14831676
Yes because anyone in their right mind actually buys a car based on track lap times. You go test drive a car and decide which one you like by the feels, budget, and estimated cost to own down the road. Oh wait I forgot im on /o/ people only buy cars based on 0-60 and lap times.

>>14830182
>>14831545
>boxer engine

>good

you dont get to pick

99% percent of this board's opinion is irrelevant because we will never buy a new car and therefore will never matter to the automaker

shit thread to be honest

How much were the following in US dollarydoos when they were new

>Dagumimobile
>300ZX Turbo
>A70 Twin Turbo Supra
>A80 Turbo
>Every iteration of the R3x GT-R Skyline
>ST185 GT-Four
>MR2 GT-S
>GC8 Impreza WRX

>>14833701
supra is like 60k in todays dollars new I think

>>14830284
>why would u buy a 15 year old car for the price of a brand new
Because it's arguably a better car, and it'll go up in value whereas an FRZ will probably depreciate for at least 5-10 years.

>>14831130
An underpowered engine is a dealbreaker in a sportscar though.

What they should've done? Stick a turbo on there. How come the STI can hit economy and emmissions targets with a turbo, and the BRZ could not apparently? Simple, Toyota and Subaru both held back on this prokect, resulting in a mdeiocre, slightly overweight chassis with an underpowered engine.

>>14831157
The problem is being n/a. If the BRZ had the STI's turbo flat four, it'd be fine.

>>14831542
Center of gravity on boxers is a myth, and a stupid one at that. You still need exhaust manifolds below the cilinder banks, making it equally high above the ground as a comparable V engine.

>>14833701
Corolla GTS in USA was around 10k at the time. Not sure what that is now

>>14831627
Bitch needs a burger. lol.

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No other fucking car in the world has this much discussion revolving around people trying to justify it.

You got duped into buying an overpriced underperforming car. Get over it, look ahead, and try to make better decisions in the future. Nuff said.

>>14832457
>RX8
>apex
>seals

>>14833748
why are they so expensive in the US? I bought my NA for $10k AUD which is ~$7.5k USD and you can get a twin turbo supra starting from around $15k AUD.

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>>14830182
Because you can get a WRX for $3k more that:
>has factory turbo
>has AWD
>has 70 more hp
>doesn't look like absolute boyracer trash
>doesn't hide origin behind le "scion" maymay

It's better in literally every way.

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>>14830182
Cause it's not a miata don't listen to /o/s opinion on rwd roadsters because all you'll get is
"MUH SHITTY HAIRDRESSER CAR"
Frs 86 brz are great cars, they are affordable nice rwd sports cars sure they lack power but with a price tag of 19 to 26k new it's great.

>>14834533
>doesn't look like absolute boyracer trash
lel it looks stock like a riced corolla or boyracer trash, especially the way wrx owners drive.

but other than that, pretty gud car for $27k

>>14831130
>Tell us then, what SHOULD Toyota and Subaru have done to "get it right"?

2JZ.

Car completely fixed.

>>14834587
>Pigfat boat anchor

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>>14830182
>isnt this what we want?
>why hate this ?

1. not everyone is a poorfag
2. it's the young poorfag owners people hate, not really the car

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>>14830182
musclefag here. heard that working on it is a pain and there isn't much room for modification. regardless, i'd rather own one of these over a miata any day. also, it sucks that you can't get the toyata version here which is what i would want.

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>>14834632

i hate that guy so much man. i literally saw him arguing with some old men on miata.net about the merits of stance once.

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>>14834666

>>14831645
Miata
WRX
Ecoboost Mustang
Mustang GT (for a tad bit more)
Potentially turbo-4 camaro

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>>14834513
a supra from 1997 at 52k is equal to 76k with inflation (us dollars)
300zx tt from 1995 was aproxx 45k (can't find a sticker price) with inflation again makes brings that up to 70k
nsx- new 1991 according to google price ranged from 60k-100k with inflation thats 100k-170k

>>14830591
>>14830222
seats for insurance purposes is a meme from the 1980s like people actually thinking red cars cost more money to insure

in the real world miatas are actually far cheaper to insure just because insurance companies go for demographic pools, if most of the toyobaru owners in your state are kids in their 20s (high risk) and miata owners are all old men (low risk) the toyobaru will be more to insure

its pretty much the modern 240sx except the 240sx was equivalent to a $30k car back then. people just want new cars to have 400hp for $10,000 and handle better than a m3 only to turn around and buy it when its at the bottom of the depreciation curve 7-10 years later

this is why if i worked at mazda/toyota/honda all you motherfuckers are getting more and more crossovers because ""enthusiasts"" are a bunch of whiny bitches who don't even fucking buy new cars

>>14834632
Toyota is selling it as the GT86 in America now that Scion is finally dead. I assume you're in The US because you said you were a musclefag.

>>14832630
>boxer engines
>bad

kys

>>14831676
sadly it isnt
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-mazda-mx-5-vs-2015-subaru-brz-comparison/
>1:29.91 for the MX-5, 1:31.27 for the BRZ.

>>14831700
its a dumb toyobaru fangirl coping with buyers remorse

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>>14835013
indeed. that's pretty neat.

>>14834533
>wrx
>not boyracer

loooooooooool

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>>14830182
Can't wait for these hopefully they get produced.

>>14830182
Simply put OP, it ain't the 1990s anymore. Doing a reproduction from that era is weak sauce.

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>>14834950
I have one of those for the AE86. Would cost $25,667.93 in today bucks.

>>14830279
>tfw you are the anon that started the 'slower than a minivan' meme

>>14833834
>Center of gravity on boxers is a myth, and a stupid one at that.
Literally a huge reason why Subaru left the WRC.

>>14837106
cassette player option is almost 4% of the car's MSRP.

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>>14837050
Has there ever been an angrier frog?
But seriously I want one the more I think about it, considering due to the miata RF being a thing we'll probably never get a proper coupe.

>>14834950
And RX-7 were about 32k in '93, which is 57k in today's dollars.

A Porsche 911 turbo I think was about 55k, so barely much more than a Supra turbo.

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>>14830182

>you dont really need torque guys
>its fun doing donuts as is
>you cant get that with old cars
>guys?
>guys why the hate?

>>14837777
(Auto)

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>>14831157
Toyota wanted the flat engine you dip

>>14837790

There's fucking 4 door FWD autos doing 0-60 in 5 seconds in the same price range.

Maximas
Accords
Mazdas

>bbbbbut my car is RWD and manual, it's so much better

FOH hit me up when you can keep up with a 4 door auto

>>14837882
I really don't get why they don't make more mid/rear engined RWD cars.

Better fuel economy. Better tire wear. Better 0-60.

Is it really just because people hate the look of too short of hoods and that maintenance can be slightly harder?

The Twingo has a pretty awesome, efficient layout. There is lots of space for its size. And it's RR. Way waste space with a long hood when you can bit it between or behind the rear wheels?

All I want is AE86.
Is there any car that has similar characteristics but isn't a pain in the ass to get?

>>14838144
NA Miata

>>14836943
Lol yea fagg/ot, any sadan is better then a 2+2

If you can afford to buy a Benz or audi and blow away brz's

>>14830182

There's not much to hate at all.

FA20 is a good engine that handles whatever is thrown at it.

It's affordable to purchase and maintain.

Comfortable with lots of room.

Sharp and pleasing aesthetics(aside from the interior).

It's everything that would succeed the original AE86 in my mind. It's not the fastest, but that's why a lot of people mod this car to make it faster. It's incredibly modular for what it is.

If you really want horsepower that bad out of the factory, then buy a Genesis.

>>14838201
Which one?

>>14838251
>NA Miata

>>14838251
Seriously? I guess it'd be the 1.6 because it has an even more similar displacement compared to the AE86

>>14837882
The 86 isn't about going fast in a straight you fucking retard

>>14838004

They do, they are just expensive as shit.

NSX / Elise / Cayman

The cheapest was probably MR2. $25,000 for the turbo. Adjusted for inflation, I'm guessing over $30,000 and it wasn't putting down that much, like 200hp.

The reason why Toyota canned it was because a lack of sales and increasing competition. So I'm guessing people preferred the front engine, RWD.

Entire point of a rear, mid/rear engine is to shift the weight of the front better (usually they do this on the track) because you have so much power - same point as having RWD. When you have RWD and no power, there's no point - something FRS owners will never admit.

>>14838004
ppl cant deal with 40/60
clutch and gear links are super long
>maintenance only slightly harder
in ur dreams fucboi

>>14830284
I just bought an AP1 for 7.5k

>>14838289
... they don't have to be expensive. They can be just as cheap or cheaper than FWD fars.

The MR2 was overpriced. It could charge what it wanted with absurd markup because there wasn't competition.

>>14838302
Traction control and suspension geometry.

>>14838330
You mean s2k? This ain't temple of the vtech.

>>14838351
AP1 is an s2k

>>14837222
Just gotta believe in car pepe

>>14830371
you need to do some research on a few things

>>14833799
This right here ^^

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>>14832371
Ae 86
>130hp
>900kg

Gt86
>200hp
>1300kg

Old performance Toyota engines were built with Yamaha, they were all legendary engines

The new one isnt bad, i love that car, but i think it should have come with an Toyota/Yamaha engine, something like a rev happy new "4AGE" with 2000cc and with at least 240hp

>>14837882
>There's fucking 4 door FWD autos doing 0-60 in 5 seconds in the same price range.

No there isn't you retarded fuck

>>14838746
Idk about auto but my manual 05 Altima was able to do 6 seconds flat. I used a obd scanner to get the 0-60

>>14838746
Mazdaspeed3 and Mazdaspeed 6 did 0-60 in 5.3. Not auto, I guess, though.

>>14834886
>>14832271
>>14831698
>>14831647
>buying american
>ever
Enjoy walking to work. I'd rather either spend zero dollars for the same result or spend the same on something reliable (even if it's slower), i.e. not american.
All the pony cars are pigfat and ugly anyway. They all weight at least 500 more pounds than a toyobaru. The mustang looks like a fusion, the camaro went full REEEEEEEE ANGRY HEADLIGHTS AND GAPING GRILLE and the challenger is basically the same car as it was in 2008.

>Mazda MX-5
>Nissan 370Z
>Toyota GT86
>Subaru WRX
All 2016 models, what would you pick?

>>14840981
Mx-5 or 370z for sure

>>14840981
>>14840981
>>Mazda MX-5
Possibly. I'd wait for the RF version though.
>>Nissan 370Z
Absolutely pigfat and a 7 year old design. Needs to be replaced already.
>>Toyota GT86
I'd prefer the BRZ, but I do like it. Torn between it and the Miata RF.
>>Subaru WRX
Maybe, but it doesn't come in a hatch/wagon anymore and I already have a Legacy GT that I'm going to WRX swap so there's no point.

>>14840877
My auto SE-R does it in just under 6 seconds, it's supposed to be over 6 but okay. Hahahaha auto SE-R

>>14840981
If I can get the mx-5 in a hardtop, that. Failing that the 86, probably.

>>14841015
Mine was a SER to, The normal SE is faster to 60 apparently becasue of the 5 speed. Had to shift into 3rd to do it on my SER, on a SE probably don't have to

>>14840981
I actually considered all these when I got my new car late last year.

>>Mazda MX-5
If the targa top one was out then maybe
>>Nissan 370Z
pigfat and twice the price of the rest in Aus
>>Toyota GT86
I bought it
>>Subaru WRX
Driving position was horrible for me with my knees up by the wheel (I'm 6'6")

>>14840981
I'm actually in the same position right now
>MX-5
Not being a coupe is a deal breaker. RF isn't what I want, I want a proper coupe, but I'll consider when price range comes out
>370z
Way too old, way too pigfat
>86
Concerned that lack of HP will simply be a problem when I buy and DD one in the long run
>WRX
Actually considering one heavily right now. Has there been news if the 2017 STi will have the new engine already? If not then might as well get a 2016 WRX

>>14832301
my negroid partner in crime

>>14841145
>lack of hp
>lack of hp for dd

This board is filled to the brim with retards who can't drive for shit

>>14840981

I cross-shopped all of those except the 370z, and also tried out the Fiesta/Focus ST and GTI. Ended up going with the WRX. No ragrets, 10/10 would buy again.

Why the fuck would you buy a new FR-S this year when the 2017 model is going to have like 10% more torque and better aero?

At least way until they tank the prices if you're getting the outgoing model.

>>14841228
That came out wrong, the point I was trying to make was that it'd be the only car I own for a good while and I'm concerned that its lack of power might make it dull after the first couple of years since it wouldn't be a weekend toe gay/trackday car, but rather a DD
I want a car that's fun everywhere, not just around curves

>>14838218
>FA20 is a good engine that handles whatever is thrown at it.

EXCEPT BOOST

my fucking sides

other people have mentioned it, but the NA supra you can pick up here in australia for 10 grand actually has

>More power
>Better handling due to lower center of gravity and near perfect weight distribution

So consider that you're spending 25 grand on a brand new 86, that's 15 grand worth of cash you can throw down for a set of

>Bilstein coilovers
>Full engine build to turbo (without it blowing up)
>Anti-roll bars/strut bars
>Some legit comfy seats

There is zero fucking reason to buy a 86/brz unless you are trying to be a poser pretending you bought the latest race car.

Buy the supra, a legendary tuner car and actually get something worth your money.

You'll be faster not only in the straights, but more reliable and will also beat the 86 on the twisties.

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>>14841361
>australia

>>14841361
30 grand actually mate, so they would have 20k worth of mods to make the supra perform amazing.

The supra engine is reliable as shit, the chassis is stiffer, handles better, better weight distribution.

It's just all around a better car and that's what makes the 86 so pathetic. A 20 year old car is better.

>>14830182
If toyota would have just used their own fucking engine and it would be amazing

imagine a decent 2.5L 4-cylinder or high output V6.

>>14841425
The MKIV Supra was also equivalent to $70,000 USD today and made in a era where it was more profitable to build sports cars (especially for Japan with the weak yen)

The only close equivalent to the FRS/BRZ is the 240SX. The modern equivalent to a MKIV TT would probably be a new M3/M4.

>>14841458
It's just about how fucked out economy is.

No one has time for fun cars.
No one has money for them.

So you just have shitboxes under $30k, and then the $150k+ cars for the super rich.

The market around $40k-$100k mostly sucks ass except for like the Corvette and GT-R. There is the Cayman, but it's super gimped so it doesn't make the 911 look bad.

In the 90s there was an actual middle class that could afford a car that's 50k-70k in todays dollars. So they could sell many many thousands of them and it was actually a decent market segment.

Now the few people that can afford them work too much to care about getting such a car.
So they only make actual good fast cars for super rich fucks who just leech off of others instead of actually working.

>>14830182
no one seems to get that while these things were pretty much made for the second hand market

if you ever want them to reach it you need to fucking buy them new


otherwise they will cost like 30k 10 years from now when they sit on CL I KNOW WHAT I GOT

>>14841361

It handles it just fine. Sure, you can't turn it into a 500+ HP monster, but it's not really meant for that.

It's just a modern shitbox with good handling.

Sadly, a lot of us in America don't have access to Supras and Skylines. A lot of people don't have 30K to drop on aftermarket parts to create something that we could barely have fun with on the streets.


Your opinion is moot and I doubt you even own anything with 400+ HP.

>>14838746
Taurus sho
Even Honda Accord exl can do it in under six and that stat is from a 2008 model.

Get with the times.

>>14841524
No, its just that /o/ doesn't realize how unprofitable sports cars are too in comparison to SUVs/crossovers. Why would Toyota/Honda waste all their time and manpower developing a new sports car that'll sell 30,000 units a year (if that, the S2000 originally moved 10,000 a year) when they can spend that time and money on the new HRV that'll sell 30,000 in a single month in America alone?

Sports car/sport compacts were always expensive too, if anything they've gotten cheaper over time. All the 15-25 year old relics /o/ loves circlejerking over cost the equivalent of $25,000-30,000 at their lowest (and this is "tame" hardware like Miatas, Integra GSRs, and 240SXs). And that's another thing, said sport compacts weren't much slower than the V6 family cars of their time. They still had V6 Camrys and Maximas in the 1990s which cost as much as a Integra GSR/Miata/240SX while mopping the floor with them in a straight line.

Actual sports cars (Supras, RX-7s, M3s, etc) were all $50-80,000 cars like they are today and sold in about the same number. Even S2000s were $40,000 cars brand new, and the FRS/BRZ is damn close to one in performance.

I get your point, but IMO its just the average internet enthusiast/shitposter wanting no NEEDING a car with AT LEAST 500hp that handles better than a Lotus for nothing more than $10,000 and 0% interest for the next 8 years. And when a car maker even ATTEMPTS to do it they just turn around and go NOPE I'LL BUY IT USED WHEN ITS AT THE BOTTOM OF THEIR DEPRECIATION CURVE. And then said car company just axes it due to lack of sales. And this is why you motherfuckers deserve nothing but CVTs and crossovers.

>>14841984
Hur dur?

They're unprofitable because not enough people can buy them at the $40k or more cost they'd be.
So instead we get crappy $25k ones.

It seems you didn't read what I wrote since you're just confirming it.

>>14830182

The BRZ is a hit, and I own and love mine, but the detractors are right for many reasons, but they are also wrong on a lot of it. Unless they DD one and live near hills and mountains, tight corners etc, then they shouldn't be talking shit.

The BRZ engine is a pretty good take on a modern subaru boxer engine, and in the right conditions (many factors) it can be wonderful.

>>14834632

It's more of just that the spark plug job every 60,000 miles is an added cost that non-boxer engine cars don't have to deal with. It is shitty though that subaru didn't make the process easier, this car was supposed to be "cheap" but the maintenance requirements say otherwise.

Other than that, working on a BRZ is dead simple, I can get my hands in pretty much every angle around the engine. Oil changes are the easiest I've ever seen on a car. And there's plenty of room for modification, turbos have been fit in 4 different locations by my count, and superchargers have no problem with fitting.

>>14834533
you forgot

>ugly as shit
>way too big

>>14837777
low-end torque is for starting from 0
for everything else, just downshift
fuck off fag

>>14840949
You're forgetting based Chevy SS anon, 415HP 415 Torque in a nice big sport sedan with magride.

>>14838713
>>1300kg
How?

There is literally nothing in it.

The fuck!?

Also it only gets 170rwhp which is shit all

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>>14842203
>chebby ss
>american

>>14842295
Shhhhhhh I know we don't need to let them think its not.

>>14834533
>wrx
>not boyracertrash
Top kek!
WRX's are the poster child for boyracers.

>>14830182
too expensive

would be great if it was like $15k

>>14831645
Genesis Coupe 3.8

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>>14843000
this car will hopefully be a huge success if it comes to the U.S. and is actually cheap.

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>>14843019
this is the first time an angry car face hasn't triggered me

it's so cute

I want that SFR so bad. No news on it for months and it hasn't been to any major auto shows lately. I think it's safe to say that it's dead.

>>14843014
This car handles like a turd, and it's a fucking Hyundai