Which buy, /o/rangutans? I live in a place where there's

FiST is more fun

if you need cargo space the fist isn't gonna be fun. Might like the focus st more, although the fiesta is more fun to drive. Either way, get snow tires.

>>14809622
Get some kind of wagon if you play in a hatchbacks don't cut the space requirement of amps and drum kits

>>14809637

Suggestions? Budget is 18k. Would rather buy from a dealership than used because of irrational wife fears that I'd rather appease and get laid than risk and be fucking doghoused.

Bonus for finding me one at a carmax. I work at a carmax.

>>14809655

Fuck, and by used I mean private. Used from a dealership is what I want. Damn my pre-coffee communication skills.

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Commence shameless bumping of these two cars.

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>>14809666

Doesn't look bad with the rally armors.

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>>14809672

Although, this is very lancia stratos

>>14809666
It's a slow board, especially at this time, just give it a moment.

>>14809636
> Cargo space
The back seats collapse, so it's got more room than the sports car.
However, you can't fit a lot in a Fiesta. Focus is good for packing stuff in; I manage to load mine up with a surprising amount of crap even before putting the seats down.

>>14809637
Hatchbacks have more space than a regular car, though.

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>>14809685
Noted. Thanks, just following the normal courtesy of pic dumping in a request thread.

The FRS community has a lot of cringey bro stickers.

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>>14809709

Meh, not much better here.

Probs the Fiesta. The FRS is kind of a bitch to fit stuff in.

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Crazy aftermarket support for the BRZ/FRS

>>14809622
Looking at either of those if you need cargo space.

If it has to be one of them then the only choice is the toybaru, if not look for a Quattro estate.

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>>14809734

Fiestas look too cute to be riced up proper. I'm not huge into aesthetics mods anyway, but it's nice to have options.

>>14809727
Have you tried before? Do the rear seats fold flat, or just kinda flat?

>>14809655
Any volvo wagon,
Jetta wagon,
You can find those used for way less than 18k
You could probably find a mint impreza wagon as well.

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>>14809743

It's a guitar amp, a pedalboard, and two guitars. I don't need to fit the world in there. I'm basically worried about enough room that the metal corners of my road cases aren't ruining the interior.

The amps not even huge, it's a vox AC30.

Pic related, vox size.

Still too big for the FiST, though? I haven't been able to check one out in person yet.

>>14809752
Volvo with a third pedal's hard to find.
Too many VW experiences to buy VW
Impreza Wagon has merit.

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As long as you're not a drummer with a huge kit the BRZ/FRS will have more than enough cargo room. I also live somewhere with snow for most of the year and I can confirm the FRS atleast, handles snow incredibly well as long as you invest in good winter tires.

Don't know much about how the fiesta handles, but it's gotten pretty good praise from some places, I'd go test drive both if I were you, can't really go wrong with either.

>>14809752
Gonna second Volvo wagons, mainly 850/1st gen V70 and older. The 850/V70 are available with glorious i5, and the older models (200/700/900 series) are RWD for maximum hektik.

>>14809763
>It's a guitar amp, a pedalboard, and two guitars

That will go into an BRZ no problem, and be more fun than a FiST,

I love my brz but its not roomy. I have a truck so I chose it over fist and stored it for winter. If you go toyobaru don't buy automatic. https://youtu.be/JKBdOE2z4O4

>>14809801
Also the guy from b is for build laid down in the trunk/back seat of his brz and he is about 6'

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>>14809622
Havnt driven the FiST, but I own a FoST and i dunno what ppl are crying about MUH RWD. The FoST kicks the tail out like a motherfucker and it´s great. Anyone who tells me otherwise has either never driven one or doesnt know how to drive.
Yeah, RWD has some charme, but as a DD you can drift and toss the FoST (and i guess FiST) more than you would ever dare on public roads.

>>14809622
Does the FiST come in 5 door or not, google is unreliable as fuck and I can only find 3 door models for sale

>>14809871
The US version is 5 door, the EU version is 3 door.

>>14809887
Fucking hell fuck this stupid continent

>>14809848
Is buying used risky? I found a couple of decent ones on mobile but I'm not sure what to do. Was thinkgen of getting a new FiST but apparently only 3 door versions are for sale in europe

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>>14809622
I like my Fiesta quite a bit, you'll have no problems fitting your music equipment in the hatch and they handle snow like a boss. Insurance is cheaper on the Fiesta too, and they are incredibly reliable. Very good aftermarket support...

I'll try and answer any questions you may have about it.

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>>14809903
Im always hesitant to buy used, especially turbos can be easily mistreated. Iunno, I got mine so cheap that it lost close to no value in two years.
If you can, make sure to get a 2014. It has the improved engine mount but not the facelift/smaller cold air intakes.

>>14809924

Thanks familia.

Never owned a turbo. Anything special to know?
Do you put snow tires on it?
I'm 6'2". Interior big enough? I'm in a Focus SE now and it's fine.
What did you think of Yeezus?
Did ford fix the bluetooth bullshit?

>>14809930
Yeah 2014 was my aim. I actually like it more than the facelift. Found one with only 27k on the clock for 19k at a Ford dealer. Should be gud

golf

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>>14809950
Just test drive it. I like almost all aspects of it. Sound (quite when cruising and deep gargling induction noise when you floor it), comfort, quickness of steering, space.
In the end it comes all down to "Does it feel good?", doesnt it?

>>14809972
Sounds like a perfect DD desu

>>14809979
Well in 4th on the autobahn this thing also can press you into your seats and smoke 99% of whats "blocking" the fast lane :D
If thats your thing O:-)

>>14809937
Not really anything special, if you leave it stock it should be good for 200k miles (I know one guy at 160k in two years and his is running great still), it does have a little torque steer still.

I don't put snow tires on it but I know people who ran blizzaks all winter and raved about how it handled.

Interior is like 4 cubic feet smaller than the Focus, mostly shrinks in the hatch and rear seat.

I personally liked Yeezus, was disappoint by Life of Pablo.

SYNC3 works well for me with Bluetooth, but I have a flash drive with most of my library compressed to mp3s plugged into the USB port full time that I use instead.

>>14809991
No autobahn m8, I just want something quick and fun but that's not tiring to drive, IE loud at highway speeds or a pain in traffic. Ease of overtake is also a massive bonus on normal roads though.

By comparison I had to deal with a 1.8 lancer diesel for 6 years, and that shit is loud as fuck once you get over the 120kph treshhold (mostly wind noise), extremely tiring for long drives imho

>>14809622
I'd go with the FiST if it's going to be your only DD.

But the FiST might be a little small, check one out, fold down the seats and see how much space you have

I can barely fit my bmx bike in the car with the seats folded down

So consider the FoST or some other car if you need more space

>>14810004
on 100kph it is at 2100rpm. The engine is basically muted by the sound proving. When you overtake in 3rd/4th it goes BRRRROOOOOWWWWWM and swooshed past. Then 6th and back to cruising.
The seats are also a-fucking.mazing. drove 500km in one go, nothing sore or anything. And they hug you in corners extremely well.

I just bought a '16 FiST for DD. I tried the FoST and it was too big and understeer was much more apparent than in the fiesta.

The fiesta was just much more fun to drive, and I got a pretty good deal @$21k with recaros before tax

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>>14809629
Maybe if you don't know how to drive.

Be honest, have you driven both cars?

>>14810016
Sounds good desu.

>>14810022
Understeer, really? Well, yeah, I had that at the very first tries tossing it around a corner, now it swings impressively. It may be an unusual setup, but one you get used to it, it follows you with great accuracy and predictability.

>>14810068
not saying it was a lot of understeer, but it was more compared to the fiesta I had just driven

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>>14810029
That's my color.

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>>14810085
I don't think so. Yours looks like a MY14. The silver I posted is only available for the 2015 and 2016

>>14810143

>dat hardwood floor garage

How have I never seen this and why do I need it so much?

>>14810154
looks cool but not very practical.

>>14810171

Considering who could afford that, I doubt they're working on their own car in their own space.

>>14810143
Its a '13 I don't know every boomer detail on it.
I got the car used and it was low miles garage kept, no salt and up for sale in my area.

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>>14810214
Yeah in 2015 they started using different shades of red, silver, white, and wrb.

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>>14809734
Actually even more aftermarket for the FiST/FoST including factory offered packages that will not void your warranty.

>>14809655
It will be easier to find a used GT86, people that bought the FiST are holding on to them.

>>14810029
I don't know about the guy you were talking to, but I've driven both extensively. I did three extended test drives in each because I was in the same position OP is and I couldn't make up my mind. My best friend actually ended up with a new GT86 about a month before I bought my FiST and I've now had track days in both as well. The FiST handles better and is way more responsive. The GT86 has lots of "lose the tail" fun factor though.


OP you probably won't go wrong with either choice, but you definitely need to get behind the wheel of each for an extended test drive. Keep in mind the GT86 target market is entry level young male drivers who want something sporty for cheap. Anything used is going to have been hooned much harder than a FiST.

>>14809622
If you like driving the FRS
If you like spending time at the dealer with turbo or transmission faults the Ford

>>14810480
Ignore this guy, comes into every Fiesta thread spouting non-sense and refusing to back it up with facts other than 'use google lul'. Not sure what the Fiesta did to hurt this lad so bad. :(

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FiST is incredible good fun on the right sort of roads, and easy to drive in and around town.

>>14810493
I've never posted in a FiST thread before, but I know how to google, apparently unlike you. They are widely known to have problems with the gearboxs and turbos. Maybe you arr stupid maybe paid by Ford, who knows, or cares as a trip we know where to file your opinions.

>>14810520
Gr8 source m8, glad that once again, google says these things mysteriously without providing links to any sort of information.

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after reading the thread, this is what you need OP.

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OP, it sounds like the fiesta would be the better car for you. Both are great starting points though.

>>14810448
There is no way the aftermarket support for the fiesta is bigger than the 86. It might be big, but the 86 has a massive following already.

I'd also disagree that the fiesta is more responsive, but that is more subjective than anything else.

>>14810496
The same can be said of the 86.

>>14810563
You have to remember that the aftermarket here in the US supports the mustang, focus, fiesta, and f150 with a surprisingly large amount of interchangeable parts. The accepted aftermarket Non-warranty-voiding list for the Fiesta ST is absolutely massive. The same cannot be said for the GT86. While it is large, Fords list is larger and caters to more vehicles, if thou look it up and think the FiST list is large, go check out the FoST.

>>14810563
We are talking about aftermarket that doesn't kill your warranty otherwise you are correct

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>>14810563
How could the Fiesta not be more responsive?

Not trying to be combative, but stock the Fiesta sits at 197hp/202tq.

>pic related is a stock BRZ dyno

>>14810590
With the gt86 you have both STi and TRD parts to choose from, neither or which will void the warranty.

Hell, you can even buy CARB legal turbo and supercharger kits now. The Edlebrock comes with its own 3 year drivetrain warranty.

Not to mention countless of aftermarket companies.

Like I said, I'm sure the support for the fiesta is big, but it doesn't match the 86.

>>14810603
When I saw the word "responsive" I was thinking of things like steering feel and throttle response. The fiesta has minimal turbo lag, but it cant compare to a NA 86 when it comes to throttle response.

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>>14810603
The edmunds dyno is more generous too the FRS (173hp/143tq) but it's still not very close.

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kind of hard to be the 86 interior...

>>14810520
This guy lol. There are literally no TSBs for any mechanical portion of the Fiesta ST.

If you google anything about it, you will find threads titled "clutch problem?" or "transmission problem?" all posted by people confused as to why their car is acting up after they've dumped the clutch over and over from WOT first lol.

I'm a BRZ owner and lover myself, but I enjoy hot hatches as well. Out of the BRZ and Fiesta ST, I cannot find TSBs for any major mechanical components.

>>14810603
>that huge torque drop at 4000 RPM

tip
top

>>14810614
Low end torque in the fiesta st is actually better than low end torque in the 86, both on paper/dyno and in terms of feel. Speaking from experience here.

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>>14811130
Can confirm the torque dip is the most maddening part of my BRZ. When I first bought it I was dead set on keeping it completely stock. Now I'm not so sure, but I also don't want to destroy the resale value. I'm actually considering selling it, but at this point I'm not sure what I would get instead. I was looking at a used Audi s5, but still on the fence. I've never driven the fiesta or focus performance models, but I hear a lot of good things about them. One of my coworkers bought a 2016 fiesta st and I would like to bother the guy for a ride but I don't know him that well

>commence operation make-a-friend

>>14812348
anyone that has a fiesta ST would probably like to show it off, he probably just doesn't know you are interested

get a wrx

I would never buy either, but the FRS is what I'd choose if forced. I wouldn't keep it stock so whatever the fiesta has vs the FRS or the other way around is a non-issue. I'd turbo it and put wide wheels, sticky tires and coilovers on it.

Why not the Fiesta?

I don't like hatchbacks, don't like how FWD drives (muh skids basically), and I really don't like how it looks.