2017 Nissan GTR decimates the world once again in looks, performance

hi fonzie

Don't care. Don't want.

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>implying

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>>14699295
it decimates the world again..
with it's $150,000 price tag..

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>>14699295
Even if the base price is the same as the 2016 why wouldn't you get a Viper TA? It's more fun, looks significantly better, sounds better, has a manual, etc.

>>14699340
v10, no longer relevant

>>14699354
>implying you want a turbo V6 over a V10
The GTR sounds like shit compared the the Viper V10. Also N/A is much more predictable in terms of power delivery.

>>14699295
>new gtr announced and /o/ isnt blowing up about it
im proud of you guys

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>>14699354
In what way? 645 HP 600 ft/lbs. These engines are so big they aren't stressed. They last a lot longer than these cars that have turbos with 20+ pounds of boost.

>>14699354
>v10 is a bad thing

wew lad

>>14699295
Something about the current style and color makes it look like a 4th gen Eclipse and I want to throw up in my mouth.

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>>14699354
is this an unpopular opinion thread?
also more snek

>GTR
>looks
Sorry due, but that is one ugly as fuck car

>>14699340
I actually laughed out loud at the sounds better and has a manual

Vipers are the shittiest sounding "supercar" ever and manuals are outdated

>>14699366
Laud the viper for anything except it's sound

An extensive reconfiguration of the stock exhaust is required for any sort of decent sound

Meanwhile the gtr actually has a good sounding engine

>there is really no better car in the world for the serious car enthusiast.
>no clutch
>computer aids out the ass
>4,000 lbs
>150,000 dollars

So what's a serious car enthusiast? Is that someone that wants to be completely involved in their driving hobby, and not have a 4,000 lb car with no clutch that costs more than their house?

Just because it lays down impressive numbers does not mean it's an enthusiest's car of choice. Everyone has a different taste but I can assure you it's not worthy of that title.

>>14699489
you make it sound like enthusiasts drive shitboxes and nothing else

>>14699489
>enthusiast

You'll want fastest. Always.

I'm glad not to be an enthusiast, then.

>>14699311
i was going to say the same thing
>half the price
>twice the fun
>sweetjesusthatexaust

>>14699465
When did lap times that you don't have the talent to do become more important than having fun? No normal person has the ability to successfully drive either of these cars at 10/10ths so having a manual is more fun for the normal buyer.

To say that the manual is outdated is wrong. Look at the lap times of laguna seca for the new ACR compared to the Nismo GTR. (Obviously neither of us could get close to either of these times irl)

>>14699295
Is that a facelift?

>>14699499
enthusiests buy/build the best thing they can with their income.
All the way from the kid with the Miata on coilovers to the vintage Ferrari collector.
The GTR is an amazing work of engineering and it has impressive lap times. But to say there's no better car in the world for the enthusiast is crazy considering most of the world couldn't afford a car half the price.

>>14699538
>the best

No.

>>14699507
>driving old ancient tech is more fun

youve never even been in a DCT have you
it is outdated there is literally no argument for it
no one is impressed by a borderline racecar that weighs less and makes more power being faster

>>14699295
>what is 911 Turbo S
>better looking
>better interior
>shits all over the GTR's performance
>can launch control more than twice in a row
>superior handling
>not a fatass
>glorious german engineering

Are the gooks even trying?

>>14699548
>no one is impressed by a borderline racecar that weighs less and makes more power being faster
Except you know, everyone even remotely into cars.

>>14699571
benchracers arent into cars

theyre the equivalent of the guy who looks at sports results to try and have conversation without actually watching the game or participating

its not impressive no matter how you look at it

>>14699576
>benchracers arent into cars
Yeah they are,
but one in particular
the GTR

>>14699548
I've driven may dct cars such as the E92 M3, new Golf GTI, and the Audi S4. A manual is more fun. If you are buying a car to impress people you are doing it wrong. Besides the only people impressed by a GTR are 14 year old boys. If you are going to buy a car to show why not save 60k and get a 2005 Bentley Conti GT.

>>14699596
yeap liking an actual impressive technological benchmark makes you a benchracer

>>14699603
youre probably 16 year old cringelord who drives a 25 year old 100hp shitbox with a 5spd

sorry but no its not as fun as a proper performance oriented transmission and you should get those delusions out of your head so you stop making a fool of yourself

>>14699295
Way to ride on nissans dick

>>14699604
I'm 21 and drive an 06 Lexus ES330. My last car was a 2001 BMW 750IL that broke all the time. I'm currently saving up to buy a second car for fun. So I'm not 16 with a 5 speed trecel (not that there is anything wrong with that).

>>14699604
You can like all cars and like the GTR, but if you are a benchracer, you pretty much only like the GTR.

>>14699616
Shit meant to respond to you with this >>14699640

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>>14699311
can't even beat a stock09 GTR around nürburgring

Sweet Ford fan boy tears

>>14699295
lol never change /o/

>>14699311
that wing is horrendous and sacrilegious

>>14699340

>It's more fun

how do you objectively know this?

>>14699507
This so much

Fucking retarded bus riders shitting up this board

>>14699812
it's rwd and manual the same reason a miata is more fun than a GTR

>>14699840

You haven't driven either car, nor do you know what is fun for every driver on the planet, therefore any opinions on subjective matter of 'more fun' are completely irrelevant and useless conjecture.

>>14699812
m-muh manual

am I e-enthusiast yet Im cool right?

You should be required to own a car to post on this board. Would remove all the shit posting

>>14699863
I've driven automatic cars and manual cars. I've driven RWD cars and FWD/AWD cars. Every manual car I've ever driven has been more fun than every automatic car. Every RWD car has been more fun than every FWD/AWD car.

>>14699863
>You haven't driven either car
>nor do you know what is (X) for every driver on the planet

Doesn't this also apply to what car is "Impressive"? there are some people who are impressed with the way the Corvette gets its performance and with the way the 911 gets its performance and so on.

Why are people saying that its "less impressive" for the Viper to be faster than the GTR when if i even implied something like that as a reason for it being faster than the 911 or Corvette people just spam "LEL HE BUTTMAD" and smug animu faces and golden meme faces?

How do you people know whats impressive for every person on the planet? (not shitposting i'm generally asking)

>>14699295
so they grafted a 370 front onto a charger everything else?

>>14699900

OK but your limited experience driving some common layouts of automobile does not automatically make your opinion a valid one, especially when concerning a subjective topic.

In fact, even if you had driven every car in the world, it would still not be valid.

>>14699900
>muh manual
>muh rwd

tryhard enthusiast starter kit

>>14699910
There is no such thing as an invalid opinion. Maybe what you meant to say was "I disagree."

>>14699915
there's a reason the mclaren f1 is rwd and manual

there's a reason the carrera gt is rwd and manual

there's a reason porsche is putting manual back into the gt3

>>14699918

>There is no such thing as an invalid opinion.

of course there is, opinions without true factual basis are invalid opinions.

In a discussion about astrophysics you might ask a physicist for their scientific opinion on a matter, however if a layman came and said 'I think that Horse shaped galaxies are cooler than ours and therefore are more likely to have life in them' then you would disregard their opinion as invalid.


Your opinion on which car is superior is invalid, as is mine, and everyone else's who han't driven both cars on a racing track.

>>14699927
F1 is outdated shit
Carrera is outdated shit
Porsche knows idiots will buy it

there are your reasons

>>14699938
do you have to drive a minivan and a mclaren f1 on a racing track to form an opinion on which one you should buy if your purpose is to be le supreme enthusiast? no.

>>14699295
I think nissan is getting as lazy as porsche when it comes to facelifts.

>>14699915
Can /hg/ please wallow in their poorfaggotry back in their own thread

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>>14699729
I cant even beat a DODGE around a track.
>why even gtr

>>14699938
>of course there is, opinions without true factual basis are invalid opinions
There can be no true factual basis in a matter of taste. If somebody says they like something that is totally subjective, you can't say his opinion is wrong. He just has different tastes than you.

What you can do is say his tastes are unrefined and shitty, but that's ultimately meaningless too because it's YOUR opinion.

>RWD manual cars aren't for enthusiasts
>Automatic FWD cars are
Jesus christ, this is a new level of delusion

>>14699951

The two cars have clearly stated different design aims. You're straw-manning the argument. The opinion is invalid on the matter where the cars are clear competitors with each other.

>>14699962
Yeah like dodge is doing hell of a job selling Vipers

>>14699970
it's not the design aim, it's the design itself. I have experience with all the design elements and can easily make inferences based on that experience.

>>14699986
car enthusiasts are a dying breed. most people think self driving cars like the google car and the GTR are a good thing.

>>14699962
Dodge would have to open a new factory to keep up with demand if /o/ was full of saudi princes and trust fund babbies.

It's just that the people who like snek the most can't afford it.

>>14699988

It's wholeheartedly the design aim.

A Rolls Royce Phantom that has the suspension from a NSX-R, 3 tonnes of weight reduction and a 700hp 2JZ is going to be considered terribly designed because it's deisgn is completely different to it's aims.

while you may be able to create an expectation in your mind as to how a car may behave, your opinion is pure speculation until you have driven both vehicles and therefore factually invalid.

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>>14699295
Still looks like a soulless car

>>14700035
>It's wholeheartedly the design aim.
no it's not. a manual transmission is very important to me. a rear wheel drive car is very important to me. a car that doesn't rely on driver aids is very important to me. the GTR is none of those. the Viper is all of those. the opinion is certainly speculation but I cannot conceive of any way I could be wrong and am confident I am right.

>>14699295

Why is Nissan so slow to redesign any of its cars? Reminder this car was revealed nearly 10 years ago.

>>14700052

So what you're saying is that one car fits your personal criteria better than another and therefore is subjectively better for you.

You're agreeing with what I've been saying the whole time.

Bravo

>>14700048
>AWD
>Driven by computers
>Automatic
>Numb as fuck
>Pigfat

It is soulless.

>>14700077
yes this is what I've been saying. I am sorry your autism doesn't allow you to read between the lines.

>>14700088
>I read carthrottle and form my opinions based on reviews of cars I've never driven

>>14700099
do you need to drive a minivan to realize it's probably not as fun as a miata?

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>>14699295
>this fucking thread again
In the end, and in the real world, how a car makes you feel is all that matters. Ask any enthusiast and that's all it boils down to.
The stancefags, hot rods, rat rods, tuners, restomodders, dekotora trucks, mud crawlers, offroaders, grand tourers, and all the world's auto enthusiasts exist because it brings joy to the driver.

Go find someone that bought (insert car here) and tell them (insert car here) is better, they aren't going to be shocked and come to a sudden realization they are driving the wrong car.
They bought it because they like it, and arguing over statistical data and performance is in good sport until it gets in the way of what makes you like cars in the first place.

This is an automotive enthusiast board, full of people that take amiss to what it means.

>>14700099
>I can't form a counterargument so here's a strawman

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>>14700106
>In the end, and in the real world, how a car makes you feel is all that matters. Ask any enthusiast and that's all it boils down to.
The stancefags, hot rods, rat rods, tuners, restomodders, dekotora trucks, mud crawlers, offroaders, grand tourers, and all the world's auto enthusiasts exist because it brings joy to the driver.

I think we're done here.

Wait no.....shitposting is fun, we're not done at all.

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>>14700106

>how a car makes you feel
>enthusiast
>it brings joy to the driver
>good sport
>enthusiast

>>14700114
>I don't actually know what a strawman is but I'll use it like I do

>>14700125
nice strawman

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>>14699986
I cant help it that people with money have no fucking taste when it comes to cars.
They would rather drive a computer on wheels or some ferrari that will start on fire.

>>14700129
the Viper is a complete piece o shit and always has been

its a lower tier automobile

> The new Camaro has better steering feel.

>>14700128
you forgot the greentext senpai, we can't keep this up without greentext

>>14700106
Stancefags are attention/vape enthusiasts though, not car enthusiasts.

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>>14700135
>complete piece o shit
>its a lower tier automobile

Like the GTR is to the Porsche 911?

>>14700118
>how a car makes you feel
that's why you drive your camaro
>enthusiast
that's why you drive your camaro
>it brings joy to the driver
that's why you drive your camaro
>good sport
auto discussion without constant shitposting, aka discussion outside of /o/
>enthusiast
that's why you drive your 16 second camaro

you can still use the word enthusiast without getting fedoras thrown at you

>>14700171
that doesnt even make sense
let the tears flow Viper fanboy

>>14700165
tick another box for the tryhard enthusiasts itt
stance guys are more car enthusiasts than you carless fags

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>>14700088
That's what I had in mind

>>14700165
They are probably on the shit end of the stick in the spectrum of car guys but they are nonetheless.

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>>14700048
>implying older people don''t have a good taste

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>>14699400
fucking fuck you i cant unsee this

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>>14700187
I didn't say that but I could say it about these ladies.

>>14700187
It will be a godsend if this granny survives the next 20 years and most of these are beat to shit by boiracers. Best person to buy a used sporty car from.

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>>14700179
>that doesnt even make sense

Sure it does. Porsche can charge more for the 911 trims compared to the GTR and still outsell them you just said that the Viper was a "lower tier automobile" as a response to people buying other cars over them in >>14700129
and i;m saying the same for why people would rather buy a 911 which they do and they sell out quickly like the new Manual GT3 RS that's coming out for just as high if not a higher price.

>>14700257
no it doesnt Porsche is a top tier car
the GTR is the best of Japan
the Viper is a what you get when you think the Vette is too mainstream

perhaps you should learn about a thing called prestige

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>>14699295
Coasts a bit less but have a bit more soul

>>14699295
ARR ROOK SAEM

I had to put the pics of the old and new ones side by side and play "spot the difference"

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>>14700275
>Porsche is a top tier car
Which is exactly why i said the GTR is a lower tier car.

>thing called prestige
Yes which is another reason why i'm saying the GTR is lower tier.

>More prestige than GTR
>sells more than GTR
>people respect the badge more than GTR

We on the same page?

>the GTR is the best of Japan
Isn't the Viper the best of America right now considering the vette's hiccups? (not to mention the TA was the fastest non ACR viper around Laguna seca in 2013 and only just now in 2015 had its record broken by the Z06 though the ACR is still fastest)

>the Viper is a what you get when you think the Vette is too mainstream
Or when you want to smack both vettes and GTRs around. you could also say the same for those who choose GTR over 911 when most go 911.

>>14700088
all the reviews disagree, but I'm sure a bus wanker like you knows more than experienced journalists who've driven more cars than you've had hot dinners

>>14700135
Lower tier is faster. I hate to see how slow something higher tier than a gtr is.
Its not a camary is it?

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I'd still rather find two GTRs to steal, then buy pic related.

>>14700187
I saw an old handicapped guy hop out of a brand new wrx (cvt tho) while leaving work the other day. I had to do a double take.

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>>14699729
>nürburgring

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>>14699945
>F1 is outdated shit

That line confirms that you are a faggot.

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there i fixed it

>>14701184
Nice Eclipse.

>>14699295
>different bumper and wheels
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""new"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>14699295
>20 more hp
>new riced body styling
>now priced even more unreasonably than before

Congrats on your completely redesigned cold air intake nissan

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>>14701184

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>>14701184

>>14699295
auto, drives itself, pigfat, awd
>serious car enthusiast
decimates in looks
>mfw literally cant tell the difference after facelift

>>14700088
>>14700048
>muh soul
>muh passion

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>>14699295
Oh god that grill

>>14701270
How long is it going to take for cars to just be made out of grilles?

This thread is proof that the "muh manual muh rwd no exception" faggots are the most cancerous group on this board
Try hard bus riders get the fuck out

> someone actually said an 80hp convertible econobox is more fun than a 600hp world class performance car
Roflmao

That new grill thing on new Nissans is butt ugly holy cow.

hey it's a renault now

>>14699295
>tfw i can't tell what they've changed

>>14702430
The guy spewing "muh performance numbers" is the true faggot. He is just butthurt because he doesn't know how to drive a manual and will never enjoy the engaging driving experience that it provides. I will take this enjoyment over negligibly better performance numbers which aren't even noticeable in real-world driving. Enjoy your driving experience being dulled by AWD and an automatic you vapid fuck, that is if you can even afford the car.

>>14700075
R36 is 2018
Besides, I like how a near 10 year old platform can still hang with basically everything

>>14702849
so tryhard and cringey

>>14703472
except he is right. nissan essentially ruined the car scene by making the gtr. its good car in its own right, just not for enthusiasts. if your car has over 400hp, you are just a faggot.

>>14703700
Kill yourself. That's all I have to say.

>>14703700
>retarded tripe the post

>>14702860
At this point journalists can freely use the "old warhorse" line about it

>>14703711
+1

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>>14699295
>that front bumper

>>14700911
>>14701270
>>14704083
Lexus samefag pls go.

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>>14704093
accualy is not samefag's

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Who at nissan thinks the little chrome grille looks good?

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>>14704185
cause it looks bad

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>>14704193
God nissans are for women

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new aero looks pretty cool

2017 nismo when?

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>>14704198

>>14704204

That's pretty damn fugly. Kinda speaks to the overall Nissan design language, which is, like the GTR, pretty damn fugly.