This is painful. http://www.autoblog.com/2016/03/17/ 2017-to

>more power
>new model
why is this bad again?

oh yeah, i forgot /o/ are car hipsters and only shitty cars are cool

Hopefully the brz is the "happier" one again.

>5hp more

Why don't they just put a god damn turbo in, it could actually be a decent car if they did.

Still less power than my 15 year old saab, yet weighs just about as much.

Can Ameritards finally stop calling it the "FRS" now?

>>14660765
Can Yurocucks stop crying about irrelevant nonsense in every thread?

>>14660769
Aww another Americunt upset he was born in the arse of the world.

>>14660747
you people do realize the end goal of car companies is to make money right.

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JUST

>>14660779
KEK

>>14660773
dude fucking epic shitpost m8

It's as gaudy-looking as the Veloster now.

>>14660773
stay jelly ahmed

>scion is kill
>yes

>>14660755
>MUH RWD

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>>14660876
where were you when scion is kill?

>>14660719

WHO THE FUCK ALLOWED THIS?

The overdesign trend continues.

>>14660719
looks like total crap

>>14660719
Toyota WHO THE FUCK are designing your cars?
>>14660747
It's a hardtop miata, you're missing the point.

>>14660949
>It's a hardtop miata, you're missing the point.

But it could be BETTER than a miata if they added a turbo. As it stands, it's just a heavier miata with an un-usable rear seat

>>14660731
how about you open your eyes and fucking LOOK AT IT

>>14660779
5/5 ƒam

>>14660949
>It's a hardtop miata, you're missing the point.
that would be an rx-8, which despite being 1.3 liters and drinking the fuel of a 6.2 liter, the fuel needing to be premixed with unicorn blood, and eats apex seals every 12.9 miles is still better than the FR-SHIT

>>14660966
>which despite being 1.3 liters and drinking the fuel of a 6.2 liter
You can't really compare displacement like that between a piston engine and a rotary, they work completely differently

>>14660975
They are both internal combustion engines turning chemical energy into mechanical energy. One is a lot better at it.

>>14661010
Yeah, you could argue that the rotary is better at it, because I don't know any 1.3L NA piston engines that have 190hp. Or that the rotary is worse because no 1.3L piston engine would get 18mpg.

The point is, you're comparing completely different technologies, so saying that "it burns a lot of fuel for a 1.3L engine" is a moot point.

>>14660777
They have to sell some first

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>>14660773
>WAAH, WAAH, AMERICANS CALL IT WHAT ITS CALLED WHERE THEY LIVE, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Amazing, you killed me with laughter

Stay petulant

>>14660966
The FRS is the rx8 that everyone wanted though, it's a 2+2 with a piston engine.

>>14661042
It's as bad as faggots getting upset over the words, football and soccer.

>hurr durr that's not a football, that's handegg, I'm a retarded eurocuck please rape my face.

I think they fucked it up with the design update.

You guys think they fixed the torque dip?

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I'm so glad I bought my FRS when I did.

The original design is beautiful compared to that abomination

>>14661032
the efficiency of an energy is never really a moot point. Efficiency is measured by the amount of fuel used to create a certain amount of power.

>>14661043
the FR-S is missing 50 to 100hp and real back seats.

>>14661147
Nothing wrong with the rear seats mate. They get the job done. Making them bigger would add weight and size

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>>14661147
>Efficiency is measured by the amount of fuel used to create a certain amount of power.
Yes, but you brought it up as amount of fuel used for that particular engine displacement. Yes, criticizing it for making 190hp at 18mpg is a valid point. Criticizing i because it burns this much fuel while being a "1.3L engine" is not.

>>14661193
>They get the job done

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>still using a subaru engine in the toyota model

>>14660719
Did someone photoshop this in to a melting car?

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>>14660773
>arse

>>14660719
>naturally aspirated 2.0-litre ‘Boxer’ engine

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

TURBO
PUT A FUCKING TURBO IN IT FOR FUCKS SAKE

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
WHEN WILL THIS SHIT END

>>14661346

>chronic disappointment from once-glorious Japanese automakers

Don't you get it Anon...the ride never ends.

IT NEVER ENDS.

>>14660731
>>more power
+5hp
+5lb ft

I doubt anyone's butt dyno can tell the difference.

The lights are a good upgrade but that front bumper is garbage. Plus they got rid of the 86 fender badge and added that lazy afterthought sticker looking thing.

>>14661346
Youll be damn grateful for the 5 additional HP and TQ!

>>14661346
>The current car has to sell more in order for Toyota to consider turbocharging it.
>A turbo is the only way it will sell more.

>>14661032
>I don't know any 1.3L NA piston engines that have 190hp.
A. There are plenty of liter sport bikes that match or exceed that figure.
B. the 13B is actually equivalent to a 2.6L 4-stroke engine.

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WHAT THE HELL IS THAT FRONT END

>>14661441
Those bikes dont make nearly enough torque...

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Eh, I'm digging it but I'll probably have to see it in person before making any final judgments on it. I still miss the FT-86 concept look though...

Holy fuck just give it the WRX engine already!

>>14661147
>yfw rx8s came with 232 hp max

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>>14660743
Here you go senpai.

Seriously the FR-S would have looked perfect with the BRZ's headlights, as it stands it just looks like a derpy-eyed, angry retard. The concept in OP is just fuck my shit up tier

I just don't like that they're calling it the "86" like it's some rebooted AE86

talk about pandering

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>>14661712
Just for headlight comparison

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>>14660719
>Redesign the car to bring it in line with the Toyota brand
>Make it pointy and ugly as fuck

Classic Toyota

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>>14661712

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>>14661346
>Go to Auto Show a few weeks back
>Toyota has this rigged VR driving simulator to show the 'dangers' of distracted driving
>It's rigged because the brakes are fucking unresponsive but that's besides the point
>Need to register on a computer to drive it
>Forces you to select 14-16, 17-20, or Parent, something like that
>Select parent 'cause I'll be fucked if Toyota's using me for part of some self driving survey initiative
>Requires name
>Shit
>'GT86 Turbo when you cucks'
>Gets to be my turn in the stupid Corolla
>Last 14 seconds
>Stumble out like a drunkard trying to regain my coordination
>All the Toyota booth operators are giggling to each other
>One hands me the bag
>"Here you go Mister GT86 Turbo"

Should only be a matter of time now.

>>14660719
Looks like a fat vampire with a disgruntled expression.

>Still no turbo option

Mucho dinero to be had, Amigo.

>>14661719
M8

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hi

>>14661814
this is what we really need

>>14661814
I want this

>>14661814
>>14661818
>>14661845
this reeks of samefag

>>14661814
>>14661818
>>14661845
>>14661851
samefag

>>14661795
>Looks like a fat vampire with a disgruntled expression.

It looks like Ted Cruz tbqh

I'll have to see it in person, but looks like a ricer body kit.

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>>14661851
Or three people agreeing on something

>>14661870
Impossible

>>14661876
You're right I forgot this is 4chan for a moment

>godmachine

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New steering wheel.

>>14662217
The lack of symmetry on it is fucking awful.

>>14660783
>>14660871
>>14661267
>>14661042

why are you guys so easily triggered?

Haha we are studying the marketing of this car in my consumer indexing class right now.

The toto argus have had some if the most successful marketing in the last 10 years of ANY car (from a global perspective). They targeted exactly the right demographic, but still aren't making sales.

Anyone want to venture a guess as to why this is?

>>14660889
In Europe, never having seen a Scion in my life.

>>14661346
You go buy one and put a turbo in it, you dimple. Nothing stopping you.

>>14662573
Toto argus = Toyobarus

>>14662585
You know, aside from the awful compression and the internet being full of stories from people who simple "slapped on" a turbo only to have he thing grenade on them 2.000km later

>>14662573

because car culture is dying

>>14662586
toto argus is fine

>>14662573
it's because of the meme

>>14662592
>people call you out on bullshit in the other thread
>go into the next and shitpost the same thing
Literally lmao

>>14662304

Are you high?

>>14662627
I.... what? I've only posted here friendo. I've read tons of crap about people destroying these cars accidentally after an upgrade. Is it really so strange to believe there are people on this planet that share the same opinions?

OH NO, YOURE RIGHT MY BAD EVERYONE THAT DOESNT LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE IS THE SAME PERSON. Kill yourself retard

I'm actually the person that just cross posted the other thread linking to my question about the marketing of these cars. That was my first post there too. If you're super sure it was me and won't let it go, give me the post numbers for the posts you think

>>14662573
>Anyone want to venture a guess as to why this is?
during the text drive they get BTFO by a minivan

>>14662611
This actually came up in class as well. The consensus for the students is at car culture was doing very well in the 80's and early 90's. However, market data suggests (from the north amer market), that car culture actually peaked in early 2005. This data may be a little skewed however, as major car companies were busy trading chassis, parts, internals, etc very regularly at that point at its a little difficult to separate successful marketing for a vehicle from the brands that had a hand in crafting it.

god that thing is ugly

who thought that front end looked good?

just throw the front end from a camry on it, and how about just slap a 3sGT-E in there, who fucking cares if its an engine from the 80's, it puts down FUCKLOADS more power and torque and is orders of magnitude better in every way.

enough with this stupid asthmatic boxer bullshit engine.

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>>14661237
>ft-1 is using a BMW powerplant

>>14660747
Because Lesbaru doesn't want competition for the WRX.

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D-do we still have hope for a celica reboot?

>>14663128
The tC was the Celica reboot, and now it's dead.

All I care about is if they fixed that retarded torque dip?

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What's with Toyota's new REEEEEE design language?

>>14662217

they fucked it up BIG TIME, holy shit

>>14663165
>literally an Avensis coupe
>Celica reboot

Fuck off retard.

>>14662217
BUTTONS REEEEE

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>>14660719

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>>14663350
>2 door FWD "sporty" car
>tC
>toyota Celica

Stay mad. Of course it was based on the Avensis. You thought toyota would go as far as to develop a new platform for the Celica's successor?

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the tail lights are pretty dope now

I don't think it would be too hard to get a first gen front bumper and steering wheel off of eBay and install them

>>14662217
could be worse to be honest. but whats really triggering is its an automatic, and it has a goddamn shifter boot for it

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>>14663588

>>14663539

>they will never re release the All-Trac

>>14660777
>more power
>people want fast
>sell more
>make money

>>14662304
autism

Brz sti is our only hope

>>14660719
All it would need is a turbo to take it closer to 280hp and then toyota could call it the cheap everyman supra revival that everyone wants.
I mean look at it, it can't be just me that thinks it looks was more supra-y now.

I really can't figure out why they don't just slap the old ej20 or ej25 in this from the factory and call it a day.

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>>14662579
I've seen this thing if I'm not mistaken. People are weird, they can buy a small compact car from another continent.

>>14662579
US-only brand and such.

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>>14660765
>be mechanic
>make call to Worldpac for some parts for a car we're working on
> on hold from sales guy
"we now offer hurpdurp shocks for the new subaru BRZ and scion FR's"

>FR's
the lady's voice literally pronounced it eff arrs

>>14660779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bee21pD-lG4

>>14663042
>implying the feds will allow that baby killing smog machine

>>14663727
>literally called the 86
>supra revival
>implying the supra was cheap

>>14663623
Sadfeels.jpg

Save us from angry cars Subaru
Youre our only hope

>>14662217
Wtf is this shit ...

Buttons omfg FUCK OFF TOYOBARU!

Is it a good time to get the GT86 now?
I have about $38k saved.

Toyota needs to kill this grill design they are putting on all their cars. All their cars are worst because of them.

>>14660719
Kind of ugly, I feel better about buying a 16 brz now.

>>14664278
buy one, and buy forged internals.

>>14661786
Gave me a nice kek

>>14662573
Not making sales? What the fuck are you talking about? Go try and order one and tell me how long the waiting list is still. Moron.

>>14665720
Total production amount =\= sales

>>14667788
You do understand that if they can't make them fast enough to meet demand that says something right

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>>14660719
Yeah I'm such a lame. What a tacky pair of glasses and ugly slacken lips.

>>14660773
Says the European kek. Look around you

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I will have to see it in person to decide if I like it or not. I am glad they kept the angry/disgruntled face though.

>>14663957
>called the 86
not a hatch
not an in line 4

>>14667830
Wow you are really gross

Too bad they didn't make the FR-S name worldwide. It's descriptive and fits in with Toyota's new nomenclature (C-HR), though it could have been a Honda.

>>14660719
>tfw you want it to say toyota 86
>tfw you want it to have frs or brz styling

why the fuck did they fuck the good design they had

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>>14663588
Jesus fuck I didn't even notice there's no clutch pedal

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>>14667845
Agreed. Also, it might be growing on me a little.

>>14662573
Because they priced themselves out of their own demographic/forgot that MILLENIALS HAVE NO EXPENDABLE INCOME

>>14663823

> the lady's voice literally pronounced it eff arrs

How else are you supposed to pronounce it? Fuurrrs?

>>14662317
>someone directly insults you
>you call them stupid for acting stupid
>Y U TIRGGURD THO?

Are you fucking retarded?

>>14668695
Not OP but she's pronouncing it as "FR's", i.e. "eff arrz", not "eff arr ess"

>>14660777
>all turbo cars dont make money

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>>14660779

>>14662217

Did they get rid of the space invaders?

>>14667883
86 was offered in notchback form faggot. I can't dispute you on the engine but 86s were never amazingly fast.

Maybe it will be better with the mentioned revised gearing?

>>14667820
You do understand they're purposefully making few of them so as to create artificial demand while keeping production overhead low, and because they're a super niche market vehicle right

>>14660719

Nice Prius Coupe bro.

>>14662217
UGH, favorite thing about this car is that it didn't have fucking buttons on the steering wheel. Obviously they're regearing this to appeal towards women and weebs.

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>>14660773
>mfw Eurofags attempt to breed jealously
>mfw they are the jealous ones