How much weight can I take out of a supra by replacing the boat

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>>14658895
Put a 3SGTE in it instead

>>14658938
why?

>>14658947
Why not?

>>14658950
Even less engine capacity.

Slower... An LS swap would at least have more capacity and no shitty turbo lag.

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>>14658974
Toyota did it for racing so its obviously better

pic related has a 3SGTE

>>14658895
>ls1
>not a boat anchor
bazinga!

>>14659063
5 liters or more.

Weighs less than an 2.5 liter rb skyline motor
weighs less than a 3 liter supra motor

How is that a boat anchor?

>>14658895
>LS1 meme
Get a 5.3 or 6.0 fag and boost it to the moon

put it in anything but a Poopra tho

>>14658895
Although you would drop the weight a bit you would need to fit aftermarket suspension to better compliment the new weight otherwise the car would ride higher at the front.

My question is why bother? For the same price you could put an ls in a much better chassis and get a considerably better car at the end.

Unless you have a particular love of the supra, but even then I see a lot of LS vs 2jz in racing (with a few RB30 turbos too) and they're fairly even (enough so it comes more down to driver skill than engine choice).

Sis was gonna swap from an rb25det to ls1 when she still raced but parts supply was a big issue, probably not so bad if you lived in the us.

>>14659891
The supra chassis has a skid pad rating of 0.95 and an amazing weight distribution made even better by putting an ls in. Op spend some time on google and ignore these idiots who hate it cause of fast, it is a very capable car, not the best but it's up there.

why dont u just get a 240sx and ls swap that instead of ruining a supra

>>14658895
Quite a lot. You're going from iron block SOHC inline six to alloy OHV V8.

It'd handle a lot better. Given identical bore spacing, a V8 only had 2/3's the length of an inline six. That puts the engine's CoG way back over the front axle, centralises weight, and most importantly, increases your rear weight bias for a slight tendency to oversteer.

>>14659207
5.3's and 6.0's are usually iron block though. For maximum weight savings a boostability, you'll want an alloy 5.3, which are really hard to get.

>>14659914
Problem is that it's ricetaxed to hell, and quite heavy (even without the boat anchor engine), meaning you can get a better, lighter chassis for less money.

>>14659117
>Weighs less than an 2.5 liter rb skyline motor
>weighs less than a 3 liter supra motor
bazinga!

>>14659914
You're paying way, way too much for that chassis though. What'll it run you in the usa for one these days? Even a rolling body?

>>14659117
reply to me when the weight difference is enough to actually affect handling or straight line performance
i know you cucks love that straight line stuff

>>14659946
In my country they are super cheap. Perhaps expensive in USA but they are by no means a bad chassis.

Seems like a massive waste of time and money just to save what could be saved by dumping the rear seats

>>14659953
ikr

LS1 and T56 is 100 some pounds lighter than a 2JZGTE and Getrag 6 speed

going to a single would make more power than LS1 could hope without being built and make the weight difference even smaller

>>14659980
>source needed
A stock 2JZ will rip it's internals apart at 600hp.

Meanwhile, in LS country:
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-1109-stock-gm-ls-engine-big-bang-theory/

>4.8
>1100hp

>le ls1 meme wap

saged so fucking hard

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>>14660015
>running stock internals at 1k hp
>americans
lol!

>>14660015
>A stock 2JZ will rip it's internals apart at 600hp.

top kek

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/136499-stock-long-block-2jz-gte-1043-whp-808-tq-gt47-80-e85.html

and it is daily driven, not some dyno cuck that has not been tested and could only cope with a couple of them

you can fuck off now cuck

>>14659980
but then you just bolt a turbo on the ls1 and make more power than the 2j

we've all seen the countless ls1's making over 1000bhp on stock un-opened blocks, then you can spend the money you'd have spent on the 2j getting it to the same power on tires.

>>14660034
considering LS meme engines blow up after some pulls when making 1000hp and 1000hp JZ can be daily driven, no

>>14660015
>not even LS
>doesnt have the weight advantage anymore

2JZs can make 1000WHP not 1000hp engine dyno bs with stock internals

>>14660034
no ls starts shitting itself at like 500whp

>LS = Liquid Shit
wow it's like they knew

>>14660044
it stands for Literally Slow

>>14660034
>ls1's making over 1000bhp on stock un-opened blocks
lolno. that's never happening

why do amerifats feel the need to ruin perfectly fine cars with shite engine swaps

>>14660015
Oh look an iron block vortec totally relevant to the thread, faggot

> he doesn't know 2jzs can go four figures on stock internals

>>14660034
NOT A SINGLE LS1 has made anywhere near close to that power on stock internals!
LS1s hate boost without upgraded internals. Why are domestic fags so retarded? Inb4 link to an iron block truck motor

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>>14660110
>Supra
>1000hp
>single turbo

>>14660047
>>14660044
That's not how you spell Legendary Status.

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>>14660127
yep, I mean the first line searching google images for 2jz 1000hp dyno comes up with this.

I'd love to know who started this meme, because its honestly pathetic.
And yes I know it's not 1000hp, but clearly disproves your point.

>>14660130
more like really fucking gay status

>>14660147
>what is throttle response

>>14660147
see http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/136499-stock-long-block-2jz-gte-1043-whp-808-tq-gt47-80-e85.html

>>14660152
nice damage control

>>14660148
>according to the uncitable encyclopedia of me
cool story broski.

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>>14660152
Kek, well I know your truck engines take a while to get to 6k rpm.. but the 2jz isn't a truck engine

>>14660154
Image for those too butthurt to check out the link

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>>14660165
why would I need to cite an encyclopedia to prove all LS fangirls are massive homos?

it's common knowledge

>>14660130
LS = LACKING SPEED

>>14660152
Non existent with ohv engines :^)

>>14660181
rekt

>>14659891
Do you catch a small yellow bus to school?

>>14659922
avoid a rice tax and pay massive drift tax instead? pls go

>>14659926
Do some googling.

>>14659924
give this man a cookie

>>14660170
>>14660181
>implying throttle response has anything to do with valvetrain lyout

>>14660225
>implying a 1000hp turbo ls engine is going to have an amazing throttle response

>>14660225
Are you really that delusional?
Layout contributes to weight, dohc is far superior.
And at 35psi boost, the time it takes to get from 5k to 7k is almost too fast.
>that's why you hear a few bounces off the limiter before a shift

>boat anchor
>he has a non turbo

>LS vs single turbo 2j

>implying you going to get 400hp+ LS
>implying getting 400hp+ from a stock 2j block is hard

>>14660238
Better than a 1000hp 2JZ. Bigger engine means a similarly sized turbo but more exhaust gasses to spool it.

>>14660243
>layout contributes to weight
Which is why DOHC engines are pigfat.

>what is gearing

Few bounces off the limiter = shifting too late. Operator error.

>>14660248
400hp LS'es came from the factory. N/A. You show me a poopra that came from the factory with 400.

>>14660254
2jz can make 1000hp on stock internals
LS engine can't :^)

>>14660260
LS can make 2500hp on forged internals
2JZ can't :^)

>>14660254
>Better than a 1000hp 2JZ.

no not really

>>14660282
By what logic? Magic JDM gnomes in the intake?

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>>14660254
>Which is why DOHC engines are pigfat.

:^)

>>14660285
you claimed a 1000 hp LS would have a better power curve, prove it :^)

>>14660285
Maybe his opinion is formed from experience with either engine and not conjecture from an ass blasted domestic fag?

>>14660286
> 198lb
> 500hp
> 3l

> 490lb+
> 505hp
> 7l

Why can't ohv compete

>resident LS cucks are getting mad they can't make 1000hp on stock longblocks

>>14660294
He said throttle response

>>14660286
Apples, oranges etc.
You show me a DOHC motor that's lighter and more compact then a similar displacement OHV one.

>>14660294
Power curve =/= throttle response.

>>14660254
Boy this mans clearly a scientist..
Dohc is more free revving, and the design of the 2jz adds to this.
>smooth 3.0L inline six

Yes bounces off the limiter are driver error. It gets up to redline so fast because of all that boost, it's a challenge for even a skilled driver.

320hp is very respectable stock.. especially considering it released in '93
At what point do LS engines fail? And when was the LSX even released..
2jz's handle upwards of 35lbs of boost..stock

>>14660307
> apples/oranges
Yea and apples> oranges
Just like ohc> ohv

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>>14660301
>>14660307
>throttle response is not related to the power curve

this is what I get for arguing with LS fangirls

>You show me a DOHC motor that's lighter and more compact then a similar displacement OHV one.
any motorcycle OHC engine vs a pushrod motorcycle engine

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>pushrods

>>14660308
Free revving =/= free flowing, which is what limits power. I cannot find a 2JZ head that exceeds 330cfm intake for the life of me. You try that with a 3rd gen Hemi or LS.

>>14660318
I know I'll be moving the goalposts with this one, but DOHC motorcycle engines vs. pushrod ones don't really compare because of their completely different design goals (torque vs. horsepower, target RPM, bore/stroke ratio etc.)

>>14660333
Left top:
>400hp
>not pictured: spare fuel, oil and apex seals

Right top:
>400hp
>not pictured: turbo, intercooler, CVT transmission

Bottom:
>400hp
>not pictured: owners steel balls weighing LS down

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>>14660359
>posting cfm without posting the lift
why do you even pretend to know what you are talking about?

>DOHC motorcycle engines vs. pushrod ones don't really compare
what are BUELL bikes for $500

nice memes at the end of the post btw

why are pushrod cucks so btfo?

>>14660377
also, let's not forget most LS heads are made with N/A applications in mind

headflow is not as important in turbo cars

>>14660386
we were arguing about making power on stock longblocks and now we are arguing about headflow, they just can't keep moving the goalposts

>>14660386
Becauae they always say wrong things

>>14660377
I'm not the mfg not specifying lift.
http://www.ocdworks.com/?page_id=117

Here's the stockers:
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/florida-lexus-club/527615-head-flow-results.html

>>14660390
Headflow is important on turbo cars though. It massively increases throttle response.

>>14660377
Buell = modified Harley (cruiser) shit.

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>>14660276
>needing forget internals to make 2500hp

lmao tbqhwy familia http://www.accufabracing.com/john-mihovetz-mustang/2-uncategorised/34-john-mihovetz-mustang-2

ls = lose streetraces

>>14660432
Ls= loose sphincter

>>14660426
>implying Cobra pistons and rods aren't forged

>>14659954
Even imported from Japan, you could pull something like a caterham which (driver comfort aside) would be better for motorsports.

I've got nothing against it if you want to get one "because supra" but don't make out its the best money can buy, very big, very heavy. There was a good video from option auto about the supra vs other iconic 90' sports cars its weight played a significant disadvantage.

(If memory serves the video is evo vs wrx vs nsx vs supra vs skyline vs mr2) (lol mr2 comes last)

>>14660390
Headflow is always important.

Not to mention n/a heads tend to have lower exhaust gas velocity over turbo heads. (Though that's with lower bhp in mind, I should think things are a bit different once you start building over 1,000bhp maybe the exhaust velocity difference at that point is moot)

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>>14659924
>2JZ
>SOHC

Pick one.

>>14658895
ellis-juan's are iron blocks

aluminum didn't widely start till LS3.

And besides, why would you take something classic like a supra and put a foreign engine into it?

If you're looking for V8 power and lightness, go build an LS3 Exocet. It's a tube frame chassis with miata suspension and subframe geometry, so you can just add everything from a Miata LS swap kit into it, and bam, you have an LS3 track car for under 16k. Cheaper if you know how to fabricate but it's still not going ot be the $500 and an afternoon LS swap meme you're baiting us with in this thread.

Basically your a fag OP.