Do C4 Corvettes handle well or are they just image or straight-line

>>14472593
I know /o/ hates autox and it doesn't matter, but it's a good way to measure what a car can do when driven by a good driver. In the early 2000's C4 corvettes were in A stock, and so were S2000s.

C4s FREQUENTLY bested S2000s, but not always. It's a good handling car senpai.

They were banned from show room stock competition because they won every race they competed in.

>>14472614
>>14472704

Any reason I shouldn't sell my NA for $4K and buy an LT1 C4?

>>14472895
Miata is lighter and gets better gas mileage. That is about it. I got rid of my NA for a Corvette.

>>14472895
Reasons why you shouldn't:
1) You will stance it
2) You are totally going to engine swap, bro (and then you sell it completely disassembled on craigslist for $5k parts complete just needs put together ran when parked i know what i got)
3) ur fagit
4) You hate fun

>>14472909

I'd bet the Miata gets worse mileage on the highway turning 4K in 5th gear. Highways are the main reason I'm looking to sell it. It's fun under 55 but if I'm going 250 miles at 70 it gets tiring.

Tell me about what it's like to live with a Corvette.

>>14472982
>I'd bet the Miata gets worse mileage bla bla

lel no. NO WAIT, I'LL TAKE THAT BET. How much, anon?

>>14472982
>Tell me about what it's like to live with a Corvette.

Imagine the interstate/highway system actually being a viable method of transportation.

>hop in miata underpowered shitbox
>blown all over the road by trucks driving by
>engine turning 14,000 rpm to maintain the speed limit

meanwhile in my american muscle car
>cruising at 90mph at 2500 rpm, cruise control and A/C
>better suited for high speed, feels stable
>much more passing power, can actually move
>get up to speed before you're off the entrance ramps

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>>14473034
>is a C4
>has a slushbox transmission that registers your pedal movement about twelve minutes after initiated
>and it's a 3 speed
>has a wheezebox post-malaise engine that produces a whopping 130 brake horsepower
>you try to change the radio station and the buttons fall off
>the cigarette lighter shorts out and your car burns to the ground
>you're ded

>>14472982
I own a C5 and C3. I used to have a C4 L98/700R4. And yes over 65 the Miata's gas mileage plummets and the ride and wind noise sucks.

I don't know really know what to say about the Corvettes. It drives like any other car. Decent highway mileage and lots of space in the back. From what I could remember the C4 had noticeable cowl shake at highway speeds, but not as bad the Miata. Ride is smooth. None of my Corvettes have had squeaky or rattly interiors, but I know it is a problem for many cars. The LT1's interior is one of my favorites. Seats are awesome.

As far as handling goes the C4 is the lightest of the Corvettes, but still heavier than the Miata and you can feel it. But all of that weight is low and the car feels stable up to 150mph. Braking is the one point the C3 does better I think. C4's calipers are small. Steering feel is numb too.

>>14473059
>C4
>130bhp

you don't know what you're talking about you fucking moron. the c4 was made for over a decade

>1994 Corvette
>LT4 330hp 5.7l V8 and a 6 speed ZF manual

or an LT1 with 300hp and a conventional automatic transmission. that is a 4 speed

even the OLD cars weren't 3 speed, it was a 4+3 speed. and that's not the fault of the automatic, that was the MANUAL

>>14472593

Handles great, not very communicative though

> remember about c4s
> look on craigslist
> all automatic

i would consider them if i could find a single manual

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>>14473484
>proven wrong on every point

>i-i know, i'll post an unrelated gif

>>14473484
of course BRZ fags would be this stupid.

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>>14473301
obligatory

>>14472593
C4's handle great on smooth roads, since they have stiff springs. Handling well on more bumpy roads is more difficult, since the chassis stiffness and the damping is bad and the steering is vague. Still much better than a base c5 or c6 though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hH7TVT3U0E

>>14472895
Um, you can't get a good C4 for 4k?

>>14474323
Seems like $3-6K will pretty easily buy a C4 with 80-100K. There're dozens of supposedly good to go C4s on CL in that range.

>>14474833
I'm jealous of you Americans.

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>>14472593
Obviously not as well as a C5 or up but I've taken some pretty hard turns at 100mph+. It has some frightening body roll at those speeds but it stays planted. I have 315s on the back so it probably doesn't handle as well as a stock C4 would because I've done nothing to the suspension.

Anyone thinking about getting one make sure you get an LT engine. The crossfires are anemic.

>>14474866

Crossfire was only in 1984. The rest of the pre-LT engines were L98s with TPI. They make good power with an aftermarket intake manifold.

>>14472614
Because auto cross in a parking lot barely gets over 20 mph. So who gives a shit. On a real track it's not even close. Auto X isn't a GOOD way to measure. It's almost as bad as bench racing. I auto x'd when I was young. My 1989 STOCK 240sx would beat civic and 944 non turbos and shit. I still have some little cone trophies somewhere in my closet. But the 1989 wouldn't beat those cars on a real track. I was also on shit tires too. Auto x is too slow.

Quick C4 story time:

>about 2 years ago
>still driving around shitbox first car, Mitsu Eclipse
>at one point dad introduces me to his friend that drives an early C4
>"cool car huh? They're not all that expensive either"
>cool I guess. Manual, rwd, low-slung.
>fast forward 3 or 4 months
>get a picture message from dad
>"Check out what I got!"
>1985 Corvette, blue with aftermarket wheels
>automatic
>"Pretty cool, dad."
>"Is that something you'd consider driving?"
>"Maybe, I kind of had my heart on something with a manual."
I ended up getting an E30 later on and found out that my dad actually got the Corvette for me and was kind of bummed out when I didn't get all excited about it. He was trying to save me from the C4 Manual trans detonation, but he's happy cruising around in his Corvette now.

>>14474962
>Son_I_am_dissapoint.jpg

>>14473059
OK, I'll bite.
>has a slushbox transmission that registers your pedal movement about twelve minutes after initiated
If the kickdown cable's out of whack, maybe, but it still responds to sudden full throttle faster than a lot of computer controlled transmissions in brand new cars. There's something to be said for good old mechanically controlled transmissions.
>and it's a 3 speed
Nope, 700R4 in every year of C4. That's a 4 speed, so long as you don't blow up overdrive.
>has a wheezebox post-malaise engine that produces a whopping 130 brake horsepower
Those early cross-fire models really are begging for at least a carb'd truck vortec swap. But even in the worst year of crossfire, it still made 200 hp, and most years are the 250hp-ish TPI.
>implying there's even a radio or working cigarette lighter in it,
Safe assumption there'll just be a hole in the dash where the previous owner ripped it out, and 20 blown fuses.

>>14474923
If you actually autocrossed you would know that it gets up to 60 mph

>>14473106

Any idea how the interior of an '80s C4 feels like compared to a '90s?

>>14474881
Thanks

>>14475463
he's just off his medication

Dont think they handle well just because it has ass loads of mechanical grip from its oversized tires... You can do that with any car

>>14476741
The suspension design itself is pretty good.

>>14475269
New epic meme?

>>14474323
>>14474833

A decent 92+ C4 in manual is gonna be 8000-11000, at least thats how it is here in kentucky

my bone stock 84 c4 handles so fucking good

>>14475463
On the straight parts.... I thought we were talking about handling. Derp.

>>14477568
You mom handles cock pretty good as well

>>14477596
>he thinks every track has 60 mph + sustained turns

So then Streets of Willow isn't a track by your definition. Fucking mong.

>>14477821
...Uhhhh are you retarded? I'm saying weaving in and out of cones isn't indicative of handling when doing it at 20mph. I'm not saying you HAVE to have speeds of 60mph carried in corners (even though many cars can at willow). I'm saying hitting 60 mph in the straight and cone carving in a parking lot at 20 doesn't prove a car handles well. And autocross doesn't hit 60mph in the cones. You mongloid.

>>14474962
you ungrateful little shit, anon

>>14477840
Some cars have more cornering speed than others - since you sound like every other bench racer on /o/, you don't have any way to know that. The G held by a lot of these cars even in "slow autox" is pretty high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlT7WoRNZIc < doesn't slow down to "20 mph" even though it's a stock pigfat corvette on street tires. Back to GT6, kid.

>>14472614
Not to say the C4 is a bad handling car, but I would attribute that to it's large displacement torquey V8 and wide tires.

>>14477918
The A stock guys crammed 285s or bigger Hoosier/Kumhos on the stock wheel.

The AP1 guys couldn't, so yeah that's one aspect of it.

>>14475424
>700R4 in every year of C4.
Not from 89+

>>14474243
Now, I'm the first one to admit that the early C6 wasn't an astounding car, but that's a loaded as fuck video.

I mean, a non-Z51 2005 C6? Really?

>>14477840
what the fuck kind of autox events do you go to? If you're dropping below 40mph, that's a relatively tight element on a course.

>>14477897
knows what's up. even that's a relatively low speed course. Chicago & Milwaukee region SCCA usually runs pretty quick courses though. I'll usually top out 2nd (90 mph) at least once on their courses.

>>14477897
>thinks G's are the only thing that matters when talking about handling
>thinks tires aren't the main cause of that
Thank god you are a trip, it's easy to ignore you going forward. Because you are impossibly dumb.

>>14478001
>muh feel
>muh passion
>muh sole

But let's be real, a properly tuned C4 feels quite neutral.

>>14478001
His point is that the lateral loads a car experiences during autocross are similar to those experienced on a race track. You might be going faster on a race track, the loads on the tires/suspension aren't that different in a corner.

There's a whole range of things that you'll learn about a car on a racetrack that won't be apparent in autocross. The way the car handles into, during, and out of a corner are going to be familiar though.

While you're going to notice more about a car's ability to shift weight in autocross, and more about mid-corner stability on a racetrack, I don't think you can argue that an autocross is a bad place to get an understanding for how a car handles. Unless you're doing shitty autocross, but that doesn't count.

FWIW I don't conefag anymore, I just do HPDE.

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>>14476717

Another lad, but the L98 is a decent platform to start with if you are looking to hop the power up a little. Unfortunately it may have swirl port heads but it shouldn't if it has a real L98. You can go up to a half inch of lift on the stock L98 head valvespring, so something like a Crane or Comp 232 to 240 at .500 with a LSA of 110, 1.6 rocker, upgraded intake manifold and exhaust from the exhaust port back should give you a potent little street combo around the 280 to 300 mark at the wheel.

>>14478233
When I was still involved with the SoCal third gen camaro scene, we had guys making 450whp with the LTR setup. It can be done, but you can also just get a Miniram and some decent heads and spend less. I'd avoid all of that and get a LT1 C4 senpai.

>>14478347

LTR?

>>14478618
long tube runners i.e. tuned port injection.

>>14478627

Ah right, I hadn't heard the TPI setup called that before. I have spoken to a few people that made significant power with their TPI heads but I haven't had any experience with them. Only blowers with early 882 and 881 heads.

Some people seem to get good power the with Miniram on a TPI motor with a larger cam, but I think you're right and the LT1 is the better choice here.

>>14477392
That will get you a ZR1 out west

>>14478744
If you can find one for less than 10, link me. Cheapest one on EBay is 20.

>>14473527
i just dont want an automatic corvette, i can find something else almost as fast and more fun to drive

>>14478966

If you want a manual car, get a manual car. Keep your eyes open and ears to the ground and hopefully you will find a car to suit your needs. Can I suggest getting in touch with your local hot rod club? They may not have one ready to go, but if person X knows person Y has one for sale, and knows person A is looking....

Good deals done this way. Good luck on finding the car you want mate.

>>14478966
The pre-89 cars are pretty well documented for swapping the 4+3 out for a T56, the ZF-6 speed in the 89-96s is a good transmission, but the clutches can be a little vague.

I'm looking at automatic C4s actually. I prefer manuals but if you take 30 C4s on CL 26 of them with be auto.

>>14478744

>Zr1 for 8k

As the other anon said, that is 20 grand here, do you have any examples?

>>14478953
Wow nvm, prices went insane over the past year. I know a guy that bought one last year. for high teens, it was the lowest mileage one he could find, somewhere between 20-30k miles. He said there were plenty to chose from.

>corvette
> handle well
Pick one

>>14479158
>implying it wasn't a clone

>>14477392
just bought a 93 corvette with 92k miles for $5k. decent condition.

>>14479158
Yeah, I'm not saying your friend didn't tell you that, but any clean title, non basket case Z has been a $20k+ car for like 3 years.