I guess scion memorial thread? I had no idea that the fr-s k

I still have a bunch of random shift knobs, pedals, and other random shit from when I worked at Toyota and they had just launched the xA and xB, the buyers could "personalize" them by buying tacky crap and we would install them during the PDI. They'll be worth millions now, there is never going to be another OEM Scion shift knob.

FR-S was the only car they made that was any good, all the other shit did them in.

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>>14449558
What does being a "good" car have to do with being a profitable brand?
Also, fr-s, good.

>>14449551
>They'll be worth millions now, there is never going to be another OEM Scion shift knob.

They'll be worth as much as Saturn shift knobs.

>>14449516
Nothing of value was lost.

Scion was just the fat retards Toyota, while the rest of the world had Toyota cars, because Americans don't want to Jap cars nuu-uuuh.
Why else would they have fake brands like Infinity and cars like Eagle Talon?

>>14449565
Wow that is slower than the SVT Focus.

>>14449596
>Eagle Talon
Not
>Plymouth Laser.

>>14449565
>LOOK GUYS I POSTED IT AGAIN :^)

>>14449661
>If he posts it a bunch that means there is no torque dip in the middle of the powerband.

/o/ before FR-S

>wow manufacturers should make a cheap fun RWD car, I can't believe everything is boring plastic FWD CVT shit these days!

/o/ after FR-S
>haha serves those faggots right, I want everything to either be a playstation on wheels or a grey on grey econoshitbox

Fucking poorfags

>>14449661
The meme one is the 150 whp one, which I can only assume was from an auto trans model running on 87 octane with a few engine codes or something.

>>14449565
>>14449637
>>14449661
>>14449664
>>14449674
Sad thing is it's still the best car they made.. No wonder they failed

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>>14449665
>cheap
And there is the problem.

The FRS needed to be about 17-20k, not 27-34k.

>>14449704
At that price it'd have 120 hp and you wouldn't even get a stereo

>>14449665
What exactly were all the shitposters here expecting? A RWD 300 HP car that starts at $24k?

>>14449704
26k is Ecoboost Mustang, I4 camaro, Miata w/LSD, etc territory. I'd say it's priced right for what it is. 17-20k is absolute-madman-tier for a low-volume sports car with no established name behind it.

>>14449709
>it would have 120hp
No.

>won't even get a stereo
Exactly, no one wanted a RWD car to commute in, they wanted a base model car to track and have fun in. Would have sold more too if that is what they offered, not the big fat, all the bells and whistles they sold us.

>>14449714
It's perfectly suited tier pricing for what the car should have been. Not some persuado luxury sports car they were attempting it to be.

>>14449704
I bought my car for $2.2k and it have 270HP and 440Nm.
>>14449709
Oh and it came with heated seats, stereo with BT, Aux and USB.

>>14449704
You cannot sell a brand new rwd coupe with 200 HP for $17k. Be real.

>>14449731
It also had 150k miles on it.

>>14449704

Most of /o/ didn't like the other little baby Sports 800 wannabe either though. I forget the name, the S-FR concept or something like that. The one that was supposed to be $15k with 120 hp.

Also I feel like most of this board is operating on late 90s price indexes and can't into inflation, which is odd since the datamining threads are always full of 18-20 year olds

There are no fun cars that are $17k. A base Lancer is $17k after tax, and way more when picking AWD or the 2.4L engine (a good idea if you don't want to die from being so slow that time warps around you and you age at twice the normal pace)

>>14449734
>You cannot sell a brand new rwd coupe with 200 HP

You could very easily. Stop throwing in all the retarded extra trim packages, the fancy computer systems, the stereo with 4.1 speaker setup. Electronic seats.

>>14449731
A $2,200 car is a piece of shit. You couldn't even find financing for whatever it is if you wanted to.

>>14449750
Or course it's shit, it wasn't fitted with a hubble telescope on the rear view mirror so I could see your sorry ass in it.

>>14449746
And the reason no one is is because what exactly. They just have no idea how easy it actually could be?

>>14449757
What car did you buy I'm looking for a rwd manual for about 2k

>>14449762
Because it's not worth it to them.

They make more money giving you all those cheap plastic features.

why do you think it costs between an extra 3k to get an optional sunroof.

>>14449766
>rwd
Sorry, I grew out of the RWD frat-acne boy age 10 years ago.

>>14449713

It needs to be at least 300 hp, 250 ft/lbs at 2000 rpm or better, turbocharged, 6 speed manual, 4-door full size sedan, leather or alcantara interior, Brembo brakes, factory Cosworth head and Lotus suspension, forged internals, and less than $15k. Anything else is SHIT

>>14449769
You just made exactly the point that we're calling you retarded for. Nobody can make money on a 200 HP RWD coup that costs $17k, which is why no one makes it. It's not something that could be done "very easily".

>>14449816
They can make money on a 17K RWD 200hp (citation) coup. The problem is they want to make MORE money.

The reason they are priced so high is because of all the plastic tidbits in the car. that's it. There is nothing special about it, it's pretty much on par with a 95 wrx.

>>14449731
>comparing a used car to a new car for price values
pls stop.

>>14449723
How would you blast the eurobeat then?

>>14449829
http://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/

>>14449842
Install some cheap 50 dollar speakers and a head-unit with an aux adapter.

you'll already have sound quality better then the 86.

>>14449829

>Just run your business with an extremely slim profit margin bro, it will go well because there is clearly a large and well-defined consumer base for cheap RWD shitboxes, as we have seen with the great success of the FR-S and the way the Mirage took 100% of its market share due to being cheap

>>14449842
>Angry that an old car that's ten times cheaper rips and rapes your sorry ass
pls

>>14449856
>run your business with an extremely slim profit
not going to happen.

If >>14449844 can do it, then a company with a factory chain can do it with even less cost cuts.

>>14449864
>>14449844
>retard doesnt understand difference between process of designing a KIT CAR and an actual fucking PRODUCTION CAR
get off this board and never return

>>14449858

What car is it? Post pictures

inb4 rusty 1991 BMW with a coolant leak in the photo

>>14449864

It's a kit car without safety and emissions requirements m80

Blame liberals for why there will never ever be cheap fun cars again

>>14449885
>doesn't understand the difference is very very very small

The funny part being the kit car is safer then the street production one with all the excessive, and heavy safety features.

By the way toyota sells a stripped out version of the 86 without all those things you think keeps the price up so much. its still 25k

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>>14449895
>no safety features
Safer then any other car up to 40k more then it.

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>>14449895
Still need to put some bigger after market side mirrors.

>>14449900
>special editions
Yea, ford does it too, they charge more for the convenience.

they keep the price up because they are no factory spec, they are just a normal version of the car off the production line, that is then stripped out.

That is why the cost goes up, because they have to pay someone to do it. instead of just producing it off the line.

>>14449913
>FWD family sedan shitbox from a discontinued marque

Toppest fucking mega kek. That isn't even tangentially related to the FR-S' market. Go away.

>>14449897
>doesn't understand the difference is very very very small
One is a kit car, a fucking tube frame that you assemble in your garage. The other is a full scale production car built in a massive factory assembled by hundreds of people with millions upon millions of dollars of machinery.

Kill yourself for being so retarded.

>>14449922
>That isn't even tangentially related to the FR-S' market.
Fucking great, don't want to be related to some shit brand like Scion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzbdkP85uco

>>14449909

I didn't safe "no safety features." I said safety "requirements" as per regulations, as in airbags and ABS.

If what you want is a tiny RWD car with no trunk or comforts, then buy a kit car. That's why they exist. Other manufacturers don't want to enter that market because kit cars have already done it as cheaply as possible and the market is tiny

>>14449932
>assembled by hundreds of people
maybe 5.

>millions upon millions of dollars in machinery
Yup, which they have all already made back.

I get that /o/ doesn't understand the economy, but fuck, you are just bad.

>>14449946
>airbags
kills more than safes
>ABS
you shouldn't even be allowed to drive a car if you need ABS.

>>14449953
>I get that /o/ doesn't understand the economy, but fuck, you are just bad
yeah okay, keep waiting for that car made with a profit margin of 1% to hit the market, dumb cunt

>>14449945
>don't want to be related to some shit brand like Scion.

That doesn't have anything to do with the market for RWD fun cars. Besides, what the fuck does that video of a modified Saab prove? Here's a beat to shit CRX doing the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj0qK-_XUbk

I guess the CRX is better than your car, it actually won.

>>14449965
And you keep paying for new cars that have a profit gain of 200%.

>>14449963

You are completely missing the point. I didn't say I want any of those things, I said they are required by law which is why major auto manufacturers can't build kit cars.

>>14449976
>can't build kit cars
Yes they can.

>>14449993

Sorry, let me re-word. Can't build cars equivalent to completed kit cars with the engines in them already and then sell those at dealerships.

Yes, Honda could make a kit car, but why would they? There are other kit cars on the market. What you want is for Honda to make a kit car with an engine in it and then sell it at a dealership, which they can't do for the multiple reasons explained ITT.

>>14449969
>Needing an engine swap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuj7x4Px6zQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty7srR3afj4

Back on topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlKS_ifnl1o
Side mirrors too small to see the Shit FR-S

>>14450015
They can produce a kit car with everything you need except for an engine.

You can then put in your engine of choice, with their safety features in place.

The reason they won't is because instead of making 2-300% profit gains, they will be make 20-50%.

It's the same reason the medical industry is such bullshit.

2-3 days in a hospital is 5-8 thousand dollars.

>>14449963
I agree with your comment on ABS, but fuck off about airbags.

>>14449516

Too bad the FR-S was so underwhelming. 400-500lbs heavier than a miata while not being much bigger, lol what the fuck. AND it didn't even have an FMR layout.

>>14450027
>2-3 days in a hospital is 5-8 thousand dollars
what kind of third world shit hole do you live in? remind me never to visit the usa

>>14450021

An RSX with a turbo would be faster. If you insist on stock engines, there are lots of cars that would be faster than your modified Saab and wouldn't be fuckugly FWD shitboxes.

If I wanted to buy a fuckugly FWD sedan with 100k miles on it, I would consider the Saab. I don't even own an FR-S but if you can't see why people would pick it over your vehicle you're just being retarded. Would you have bought the Saab if you had $25k?

>>14450027
>2-3 days in a hospital is 5-8 thousand dollars.

That's only in America though. Nowhere else is it like that.

Why would they make a kit car? I don't understand. Other companies make kit cars. If you want a kit car, buy one. How come this is an issue? Is every company obligated to make kit cars? They have brand images to maintain, and they specifically make turnkey cars.

>>14450057
If you aren't a poor person you have insurance. We use hospital bills to force the poor into indentured service.

>>14450062
If a kit car is half the price for all the same features except for a stereo and some plastic interior.

you are a dumb fuck for buying it.

>>14450068

>Always buy the cheapest thing

Come the fuck on. Do you own a kit car? What do you drive? Was your only consideration "how fast can I go for X money?" I bet I can find something cheaper and faster than your car, and if not, something that could be made faster for cheaper.

I don't want to drive a tiny, cramped, loud shitbox on a date, or to pick up a client, or on the highway for 5 hours. Maybe that's just me.

>>14450062
You're throwing kiddy-grade insults left and right like a spas-retard.
Did you lose to a SAAB in your car that on paper have more HP and is RWD?
Bohoo buddy.

>>14449782
Holy shit, why do these people get so angry?

FWD is mostly shit. RWD just FEELS better to drive, even if you don't need it. Stop being in denial.

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>>14450085
>I don't want to drive a tiny, cramped, loud shitbox on a date, or to pick up a client, or on the highway for 5 hours
>bought an FRS

>>14450087

>Getting mad about people using insults on 4chan

Try Reddit, faggot. Did you lose to a car that's more expensive than yours? You're the one who came into the thread and started talking shit and implying you're better than others because your car was cheap.

>>14450104

>I don't even own an FR-S

Why are anime posters so incapable of reading the posts they reply to? Even if I had purchased an FR-S, it is clearly significantly better at all of the things I mentioned than a kit car would be.

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>>14450125
So you support the FRS pricing and it's creation. While knowing it is in fact over priced and marketed incorrectly.

What a life to live so blindly.

>>14450140

I don't know why I ever bother replying to you faggots. This has all been discussed ITT, you stupid non-reading nigger.

Post your car, please, busrider.

>>14450101
I don't know, ask him, he's having a mental break down.
>Pfff you mothfff fffukkker, AR WE DE

>FWD is mostly shit
Okay, let's say you're a grown man and not some immature kid that just got his license.
It's icy outside and you're driving on the high-way.

What would slip and keep going straight and what would slip and spin sideways.

If you drove on a slippery road with corners with on coming traffic
Which car would spin, go straight and head collide if you fuck up
And which would spin, then slip and getting t-boned

Hint: crumble zones.

>>14450114
Shut up, until I say it's okay for you to practice verbal interaction, and no, I haven't had a reason to race any one besides a dude in a tuned Audi S3 12' which both were neck on neck or he's a shitty shifter since it's manual with 310HP.

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>>14450145

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OP HERE, YALL POSTING IN A TROLL THREAD, GOTTCHA.
READ THE FILENAME.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

>>14450160
>more power
>AWD
>boxer
Post more Scion killers.

>>14450146
>Shut up, until I say it's okay for you to practice verbal interaction,

lol u mad newfag?

Enjoy your ugly FWD piece of fucking shit. FRONT WHEEL DRIVE. Why are you even on /o/? This board is for people who like cars. Maybe you're looking for /diy/, I think they could help you install your dishwasher.

>>14450160

I don't actually believe this is yours. That would be too fucking ironic. Timestamp or you're trolling.

On the off chance you're serious, top kek
>it's not even RHD
>it's not even turbo
>it's covered in autism

>>14449734
Apparently you cant sell it at $27k either!

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>>14450171
>calling the most successful drive train shit.
Not everyone is stuck in their adolescent years, anon.

>>14450171
>>14450217
Distilled autism of the purest kind

>>14450146
Or, more like you control the spin and turn it into a hectic 4 wheel dorifuto

I'd rather get t-boned desu. The skid would slow down the car considerably in that scenario--we're talking two cars hitting each other head on at 60 mph versus one car going 60 (potentially slower, he'll actually have time to brake now) and the other going 35

Plus, if you both were driving a FWD car, you'd have to have gay amputee sex when you crash head on, hondurr to hondurr. (if you couldn't do the math, that's like crashing into a wall at 120 miles an hour, you'd be ded)

>>14449516
The FR-S didn't kill them; it prolonged the inevitable. Scion has been dead on the vine for years.

>>14450228
>>14450217

>tfw trolling FWD faggots have successfully ruined /o/

Congrats. I previously thought the board was already so shit that it couldn't be ruined. I was wrong.

>>14449913

Kill yourself

>>14450239
>The skid would slow down the car
F-∞ grade in physics right there.

The moment you skid, your "braking" or "slowing down" ain't doing shit.
You know why they invented ABS?
It seems you also don't know what crumble zones are.

>>14449574
>Saturn shift knobs.
Except these are made out of Nipponese steel, not baka gaijin dogshit material

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>>14450272
>crumble zones

pic related

>>14449704
>The FRS needed to be about 17-20k
You're dumb as fuck. 17-20k was a cheap car like 20 years ago. 27-34k is the new cheap.

>>14450287
Just the type of reply I expected from a kid.

>>14450293
Yea no, 27k is $14,125.57 in 1989, 34k is was just shy of 18k.


A fully fitted 5.7l vette for less then that.

>>14450297

>Getting butthurt over a funny post

His post was funny, and you replied with "kid" so you auto-lose the argument on the basis of rapid rectal rupturing

>>14449516
Good riddance. I would have bought an FR-S if it had been sold with a Toyota badge, not that badge synonymous with being a little shit.

>>14450146
>AR WE DE
>R-wee-de

>crumble zones
>crumble

is english your first language? I fucking hope not

>>14449565

Jesus my shitbox fwd 4 banger has twice the foot pounds as this, is it really that hard to put a twin scroll and rid it of the shit boxer engine ?

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>>14450314
t-thanks senpai

>>14450314
>X: Earth is flat
>Y: No it's round.
>X: You're round
>Y: Retard
>X: hurr durr, you lost I win, the earth is now flat because you replied to an insult.

That's not how it works.

>>14450332
>R-wee-de
Don't you mean R-wee-dee
Glad you used your ace card, the attack-grammar-because-you-can't-find-anything-else-to-argue-with-card.

>>14450339
My have 2.5 times the torque of that F-RS, I know how you feel and how insulting it must be to have a F-RS with those numbers.

>>14450357
>"de" is the same as "dee"

You must be some special kind of retarded

>>14450272
No senpai, you don't understand the concept of lateral forces vs. friction

Assuming the RWD car was already braking and therefore slowing down (even if it's raining, albeit less), drifting sideways takes up so much god damned kinetic energy to overcome the grip of the tires. Also, there is a surge of wind resistance from a car going sideways, and a lot of the energy from the motion of the car was spent when it started to go sideways.

I understand crumple zones. If we're talking cars with crumple zones, we're also talking cars with reinforced doors/frames/B pillars, and side impact airbags. Hell, even without them, I would much rather go sideways into the centre console than forwards into fucking glass.

All this, by the way, is assuming the skid would end in a 180 degree... more likely, the tail is the only part that would get hit. It's even possible for the car to be facing the other direction by the time it's hit, or t-boned on the other side. A FWD car will 100% be hit head on at full speed.

Watch a video of a cop doing a 180 power slide to stop in an emergency. You'll understand after.

>>14450357
The other people who replied to you were just making fun of your poor tone. You can see I found it easier to attack your poor argument >>14450384

FWD a shit, even when we're talking safety. Hell, you didn't even argue with my main point that RWD is much more fun. I don't even know why I replied to you deshita sempai.

I will admit FWD has its place. For grandmas getting groceries, it's fine, and at any speed they will be driving at, understeer won't be fatal enough to send them into oncoming traffic like you're defending.

>>14450404
>>14450357
Also just get a 4WD for the rain, senpai, seriously what the fuck are you even going on about m89

>>14449551
Lel my uncle has an xB and bought all that tacky shit for the interior.

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>>14449739

>>14450357

Who the fuck pronounces dubbleyoo as wee? Even southern Amerifats say dubyoo.

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>>14449739
>>14450439
>Most of /o/ didn't like the other little baby Sports 800 wannabe either though
Busposters don't have valid opinions.

>>14450455
It's actually fantastic except for the front. That's my only gripe.

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>>14450455

>>14450455
>>14450439
>>14450467

>They're not going to sell this

It's so cute. The original Sports is still better, but do want.

>>14450384
>Assuming the RWD car was already braking and therefore slowing down
No, ice+throttle spinning scenario which is what most of the times is why RWD spin out during icy roads.

The reason cops do that is so they have shorter turning circle. Not to brake faster.

The moment your tires slip your traction is bye bye.

>>14450404
Yes, they use ad hominem since that all they had.
>You can see I found it easier to attack your argument
You ignore the argument and chose the easy bail route because you can't argue.
And if you're the one that rather get T-boned, then I hope you get hit that way.
But then you'll have less chance coming back alive to continue your shit posting.

>>14450439
>>14450455
>>14450467
>estimated price
>12.5k after taxes
>1.5l 130hp, 45mpg

Slap a turbo on it, 40mpgs 200hp.

>>14450439
>>14450455
I hope to god Toyota brings this over to North America

>>14450490
I argued much better than you did, fag, what the hell? Give me a proper response you docile twat.

You're telling me that 180 sliding doesn't slow down a car? And now you're bringing ice into this when we were talking about rain. Protip: if you're driving a FWD on ice in this situation, you're going off the cliff or into a ditch. And it doesn't matter where your traction goes, because you're still going to slow down. Friction, dude.

Man, you really disappointed me. You also wished me death, which is just weird because I never got upset at you. Damn anon, not impressed.

Please watch videos of people doing the slide. Cops literally have to do this to stop, and they use it to cut people off too.

>continue your shitposting
Now I think you're trolling. My facts and theories were sounder than yours, and your posts are full of logical fallacies.

Don't reply to me if you're not going to man up.

>>14450521
>You're telling me that 180 sliding doesn't slow down a car?

>Sliding sideways/Braking where wheels lock up.
vs
>ABS braking

Take a fucking guess which is better.
Do you see anyone bragging about 100-0 times side ways?

>we were talking about rain
No, the surface category was "slippery", read again, you might learn some things or two while you do it.

>>14450384
>I would much rather go sideways into the centre console than forwards into fucking glass.

Holy shit. That's just god tier stupidity.

>>14450575
Right, you're right we were talking about ice.

Why are you so angry? What the fuck? Everyone who defends FWD is this fucking adamant. Why do you have this deep rooted obsession? What the fuck man?

Your argument makes no sense. Both cars will have ABS. I'm finished talking to someone who keeps bringing up semi-relevant points while avoiding direct arguments. Have fun in your Honda.

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>>14450519
We should start a petition to send to Toyota or something, saying we want this car in North America...

>>14450659
>ABS works when car is going side ways.
I defend FWD because RWD is something you defend of you only use a car to hoon.

>>14450669
to bad none of us could afford it.

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>>14449565
And now a real dyno

>>14450692
learn english please

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>>14450736

>>14450669
It'll come eventually with Scion being killed n all.

>>14450722
>estimated price of 12.5k
>even if they added 5k in taxes to ship it over seas, still only 17.5k
>too bad none of us could afford it
Speak for yourself, anon...

>>14450736
>Please learn English.
ftfy

>>14450748
I am speaking for myself, and 99% of this board.

>>14450746
FACT: Claiming you won an argument makes it reality unless he punches you.

FACT: If you talk like an uneducated retard you can always post your HILARIOUS meme images to turn it around for yourself, which is nice.

>>14450796
The show us a video that proves that a car that brakes with ABS have a longer braking distance than a car that goes the same speed and yank the E-brake.

FACT: You're a retard until proven above.

>>14450822
Im not the guy you were responding too mad friend, I just cant stand un-checked ignorance.

>>14450822
I didn't follow this conversation line or anything.
But anyone that thinks pulling the hand brake to lock the rear wheels will stop a car faster than slamming on the brakes, abs or not, it a complete moron.

>>14450841
Don't, it's just a retard that thinks FWD=shit just because it's not muh drifting car.

>>14449704
Those fuckin things can cost 34k?

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>>14449704

Speaking of this, I was gonna make my own thread, but fuck it this thread will do.

>Be me
>drive pic related (2014, CVT with 30,000 miles)
>be on auto trader
>find a used FRS for sale in my area
>white, 2015, manual, 19,400 miles
>asking $19,700 for it
>go to dealership and haggle with them for an hour and a half
>they said the best they can do on a finance is $299/month for 75 months, 3-4% interest rate.
>tell them I'll have to pass, because college and stuff. (truth be told, I could probably afford those payments, even with college.)

So /o/, do you think I fucked up? Or do you think I can find a better deal? Or should I just hold onto my beloved little shitbox?

>>14450871
You can find a better deal. Or you can just wait a couple more years and see how the Toyota-badged version turns out.

>>14449665
Welcome to /o/ poor people whom can't afford new cars, yet bitch car companies aren't making the cars they want. And when they do, they justify the fact they were never going to purchase a new car anyways by nit picking cars to death.

>>14450871

you didn't fk up, you can get a much better car if you save your money for awhile longer

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>>14450871

>drives a nearly brand new Corolla
>calls it a shitbox

You're a spoiled fucking turd is what you are, I didn't have my first car until I was 23 and I had to buy it myself, and it was 8 years old with 85,000km on it.

I rode the motherfuckin BUS for all 4 years of university.

Stop being such a faggot and just drive your reliable, NICE NEW car for fuck's sake.

>>14450841
But no one said that, you shilling samefagging fuck.

It was ABS in FWD vs ABS in RWD
>>14450852
FWD is shit because it feels like shit to drive, drifting has nothing to do with it.

>>14450916
Tell us, how is ABS working when the car is going side ways.

>>14450916
>Samefag
>Shilling
You can't just pick from your insult list at random and expect them to stick.

>no one said that
You really didn't read my post did you?

>>14450912
Im not him, but it's still a shit box. If you grew up in a shitty trailer that would look like a luxury to an African tribesmen. But his hut and your trailer are both shit.

>>14450916

FWD doesn't feel like shit if you've ever driven a FWD car with adequate power, it just feels bland in underpowered FWD shitboxes, which is what most cars are.

>drive V6 RAV4
>269HP
>FWD biased vehicle
>slam throttle
>0-60 in 5.8 seconds
>feels like you are literally being pulled by a shitload of race horses

It only sucks if you have to turn the vehicle while you're driving it, straight lines are fine.

Are you one of those faggots who doesn't live in a straight line from his home to his workplace?

I feel bad for you son.

>>14450912
"Econobox" excuse me anon, jesus...
And before you go calling me a spoiled fucking turd, know that MY first car was a '95 4Runner with 200,000+ miles on it. I busted my ass to get this Corolla, and I love it. I'm just also interested in getting a stick, RWD car that's a little more fun to drive.

>>14450951
Except I didn't just pick it from my list

There's clearly a group of people who think they're funny, going around /o/ making threads about FWD and how much better it is. I called you those things because you exaggerated the fuck out of the guy's post, making it seem like it's okay to call him a retard for preferring FR

Literally no one mentioned a handbrake. You're the first person to bring that up.

>>14450958

what's with all the kiddies on /o/ these days using the term "shitbox" to describe just about any vehicle they dislike?

a shitbox is a crusty, unreliable, junky little turd of a car, such as:

-Chevy Cavalier
-Dodge Neon
-Pontiac Sunfire
-Chevy Cobalt
-Mitsubishi Eclipse

>>14450971

>I'm just a spoiled brat whose parents pay for everything

ftfy

inb4 you're one of the 8 trillion posters on /o/ who attend an Ivy League school on a FULL RIDE scholarship and also happen to work really hard at a part time job to save up for their car fantasy nonsense bullshit gibberish etc.

inb4 you call me mad or butthurt or buttmad or asshurt or some other variety (including cuck)

>>14450976
>first
Confirmed for not reading the posts and or have Alzheimer.

>>14450822
was before >>14450841

>>14450963
Holding onto the wheel while your power's going there feels retarded. It feels... imbalanced. I'm not going to be a faggot and say "lel it feels like ur being pulled xd", but there's a very distinct difference driving FR vs FF. Around corners, well, let's leave that one alone.

>>14451000
I disregarded that post because it was implying that the original guy defending RWD had said that using the e-brake is better. He didn't say that. NO ONE said that. This guy's post was out of nowhere.

>>14450981
There is no definition of a shit box. Kill yourself. It GENERALLY implies a slow car with no real redeeming qualities. There are worse shit boxes and better shit boxes. But they are all shit. Fagot.

>>14450976
I challange you to find one post in my entire history of tripping on /o/ where I defend FWD.

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>>14451030

>Corolla
>no redeeming qualities

Get a load of this fucking faggot.

The Corolla is a widely respected vehicle you dumb nigger, even by the most autistic people on this board. It's reliable and handles well for what it is. It's the epitome of a basic DD.

You're a fucking dumbass, stop trying to be some edgy little shitlord an educate yourself.

>>14451032
sorry no one knows who you are

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>>14451032

I challenge you to find one thread on /o/ in the entire history of humanity where you didn't act like a complete and utter nigfuq.

>>14451002

Good thing my RAV4 has ELECTRIC STEERING, I don't have to worry about feeling anything at all.

:^)

>>14451047
You are so stupid it's making you angry. The corolla of literally the epitome of new shit box. Kill yourself over and over.

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>>14451066

New shitboxes:

Ford Fiesta
Chevy Cruze
Dodge Caliber
Chrysler 200

You're not getting the basic concept of what a shitbox is, and I really don't know why. It's very simple to understand.

Are your parents cousins, by any chance? Or perhaps you were dropped on your head as a child?

>>14451032
Sorry dude. Noone cares

>>14451050

2bh familia he is one of the older shitposting tripfag dillholes on this board

>>14451072
>calls the new fiesta a shit box
>but corolla is the best new car ever

Lo fucking l. Enjoy your corolla man it's basically a Bentley.

>>14451090
>It's basically a new Bentley
Fuckin sweet. Who needs a FRS when you drive a Bentley, right?

>>14451090

spotted the butthurt Ford shill

suck some more Fiesta dick maybe the clutch will last beyond 10,000 miles faget

top lel

>>14450853
Just about, a fully loaded one with tax in Texas is just shy of 34k (2016 model FR-S)

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So Scion is officially kill?

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>>14451136
"Spoiled fucking turd" with the corolla here, also in Texas, can verify. Went to look at a NEW FRS yesterday, dealership wanted 34k and change for a 2016 with an automatic transmission.

>mfw when they are only willing to give me $9,000 for my corolla

>>14451152
As of 2017, yes.

Just buy a moostang.

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>>14450439
>>14450467

>>14451152
with all the shitposting and selective knowledge, people don't state facts. Scion is kill but the cars will be "transitioned" to the toyota brand. (Except the tC, that's being discontinued.)

>>14452168
>the cars will be "transitioned" to the toyota brand.
Only iA, iM, and FR-S

>>14450439
>>14450455
>>14450467
If this thing ever makes it to the US for under 15k I would seriously buy it as soon as I landed a job out of college.

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so I own a slow collectible.

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>>14449844
>>14449864
>>14449897

>kit car
Might as well start posting sportbikes you autistic piece of shit.
God i hate underage kids that can't into basic mass production.

>>14450992
>his parents didn't give him a car in high school

Lmao are you serious? Why wouldn't you do that if you have the cash?

>>14449516
>I had no idea that the fr-s killed them.

It didn't, though.

Did you not read the article that you linked to?

>>14449516
Nah, people just didn't want Scions other than the FR-S.
Toyota can still sell the FR-S under their name (GT86) and maybe add more neat features?

>Make a limited edition V6 Twin Turbo FR-S
>50k
>Weighs 3600lb

>>14449665
Sour Grapes: The Board

>>14451030
>It GENERALLY implies a slow car with no real redeeming qualities.

No. That's just what you think it means.

"Shitbox" is term used for rundown cars on their last legs. Things like tattered interior, electrical equipment not working, bad smell, faded paint, rust, exhaust leaks, etc. A 2000s 3-Series can be a shitbox if it's been neglected and abused.

Economy cars ≠ shitbox

>>14451072

Holy shit...what kind of spoiled prick do you have to be to call a brand new Cruze or Fiesta a shitbox? Do you come from an affluent family anon?

Toyota should put Scion's no haggle pricing on their cheapest cars. It is a great way to bring in young customers buying their first new car on their own. Get them loyal to the Toyota brand and dealers.

Yaris, Corolla, FR-S, Prius C, Rav4, Tacoma

>>14454836
which is the entire lineup minus the tC (xD, iQ and xB have been discontinued already)

Toyota is killing its youth-oriented Scion brand after learning an important lesson: Young buyers simply want Toyotas.

Scion was formed in 2003 to court Generation X buyers, who didn’t like their parents’ brands and didn’t trust traditional marketing, says Bob Carter, Toyota Motor Corp.’s senior vice president of U.S. operations. It was known for its funky designs, like the boxy xB, and was the brand Toyota used when it wanted to experiment with new kinds of marketing, like pop-up test or no-haggle pricing.

But as those buyers matured, they started buying Toyotas.

Next came the Millennials. For a while, that generation delayed car buying because they were underemployed and had too much student debt. But when they did buy, they liked their parents’ brands and wanted Toyotas, too.

“For those buyers, frankly speaking, Toyota as a brand is more aspirational than Scion was,” Carter said. Carter said Millennials made up nearly one-third of the Toyota brand’s buyers last year.

There were other issues with Scion. The small, oddball lineup never connected with buyers and cost a bit more, since features like touchscreens that were optional on other cars came standard on Scions. Scion’s best-seller, the tC coupe, starts at $21,330, or $2,600 more than a Honda Civic. Scion also doesn’t have any SUVs, which are rapidly becoming the most popular style of vehicle in the U.S.

>>14456222
At the brand’s height, in 2006, Americans bought just over 173,000 Scions. In 2015, they bought 56,167. By comparison, Toyota sold more than 363,000 Corolla sedans last year.

So, beginning in August, 2017 model-year Scion vehicles will be rebadged as Toyotas. The FR-S sports car, iA sedan and iM 5-door hatchback will be a part of the Toyota line-up. So will the C-HR, a small SUV concept shown at the L.A. Auto Show that Toyota will likely make. The tC coupe will have a final release series edition and end production in August, according to Toyota.

Toyota says it achieved what it had hoped with the Scion, including attracting younger buyers. Half of the 1 million Scions sold were bought by people under 35, Carter said, and 70 percent of those buyers were new to the Toyota family.

Katie Seals, 22, was new to the Toyota family when she bought a Scion xD subcompact about five months ago. Seals, a television reporter, lives near the beach in San Diego and wanted something easy to park. She also wanted something reliable but thought the Toyotas and Hondas she looked at were dull. And she loved the xD’s sound system.

Toyota may not keep buyers like Seals. She said she liked having something different, and would probably look around at other brands when it comes time to buy again.

Carter said the company will bring some of its experiments at Scion to its other brands. The Toyota Care maintenance program, which provides two years of free maintenance, originated with Scion, he said. Lexus is currently running a no-haggle pricing pilot borrowed from Scion, and Toyota will soon offer an express purchase program. Scion taught Toyota that consumers want transparent pricing and want to spend less time buying.

>>14456230
“Scion was the test bed,” Carter said.

Sarah Wall, a 39-year-old marketing and communications executive in San Francisco, said she bought a Scion xD in 2010 because of the no-haggle pricing policy. The car is distinctive, easy to park and has low maintenance costs, she said.

Wall said she’s “devastated” that Scion will no longer be a separate brand. But she says she would consider a Toyota in the future, especially if the brand adopts no-haggle pricing.

Toyota’s decision will have minimal impact on dealers and owners. Scion, which is only sold in the U.S., Canada and Puerto Rico, has no stand-alone dealerships. The brand is sold through 1,004 Toyota dealerships, which will continue to service the cars.

It’s not unusual for automakers to kill a brand or pull it out of a particular market. Ford Motor Co. killed its Mercury brand in 2010, and multiple brands, like Izusu and Renault, have left the U.S. market. But Kelley Blue Book senior analyst Karl Brauer said this is the first time a U.S.-specific brand launched by a Japanese manufacturer has been scrapped.

Brauer says Scion was a victim of the success of the Toyota brand. The Toyota Camry sedan has been the best-selling car in the U.S. for 14 years, and the brand has a full lineup that appeals to Millennials and Baby Boomers alike.

Scion’s demise doesn’t necessarily spell trouble for other small car brands, like BMW AG’s Mini or Daimler AG’s Smart, said Ivan Drury, an analyst for Edmunds.com.

Those brands differentiated themselves from their parent brands more than Scion ever did, he said.

>>14456038

I'm poor as fuck and I agree with him. They're shitboxes no matter what condition they're in.

A Camry or Accord is not a shitbox even if it's 20 years old, so long as it's in good condition. A Fiesta or Cruze is always a shitbox. Shitbox = cheap econobox OR beaten up non-econobox.

>>14456251
Looks to me like you just have a personal preference.

>>14450871
I recently got a white manual 8k miles 18k price, I didn't even bother haggling jusy gotta be patient man.

The FRS was the 2nd highest selling model in Scions lineup for several years and was only like 1000 units away from top sales in 2013. Considering it's a low volume niche market sports car should tell you a lot about the sales of their other cars and why the brand failed.

>>14451152
yep.

>>14451047
Maybe 20 years ago. The current Corolla is near the bottom of its class. The Mazda3, Civic, Focus, etc. blow it out of the fucking water.

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>>14450027
Spent more then 2months in hospital last year had 4 surgerys, didnt pay a cent because i dont live in a shit country

>>14449516
MORE UNSOLICITED TOTYOTA SHIT

>>14449704

>Implying your broke ass would have bought one even if it was $20k

>>14459155
Read the image title.

>>14459268
No nigga

>>14449909
>great roll cage Ivan, but how do we get it inside the car?

>>14460643
Yea nigga.

>>14462769
no