Why does this exist, apart from making tree hugger boomers who

That's exactly why. So that carbon producing monsters can still be made.

>EU Regulation No 443/2009 sets an average CO2 emissions target for new passenger cars of 130 grams per kilometre. The target is gradually being phased in between 2012 and 2015. A target of 95 grams per kilometre will apply from 2021.


fuck this world

>>14158415
So people don't get cancer.

>>14158503
but anon people still get cancer

>>14158462
And neither target will be reached. Nor any other in those ridiculously wasteful environment plan meetings.

>>14158503
>not understanding how cancer works

>>14158462
And that's why I'll never buy a new car. Here in Germany they already introduced a new tax system in 2009 which earned new models much higher taxes compared to 2008 models with identical emissions.

And if I ever buy a classic collector's car it'll be from before 1970 because those don't need an emissions test at all.

>>14158534
>340€ for my M5

FFFFFFFFFF....

>still has a green badge
Fucking stupid.

>>14158509
>>14158521
Yes, people still get cancer. But less people should get cancer due to the emissions of diesel engines.

>Europe fell for diesel commuters
lmao

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>>14158415
So the rest of world doesn't end like that shit hole China.

>>14158594
China isn't like that because of vehicles.

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>>14158618
Partially it is.

>>14158618
You're right. It's because it's made up of people like OP and so even basic emissions control is seen as 'evil'.

>>14158594
This.
Califagian here, whats the point of having beautiful land if youre just gonna muck it up with pollutants

>>14158631
>>14158632
It's like that because of industry pollution, not vehicles you uneducated niggers.

>>14158635
>California
>clean

Clueless amerifuck. Who'da thought.

>>14158637
see>>14158632

>>14158594
China has other issues too. However London is regularly covered with smog due to diesel vehicles. You can't blame heavy industry in the UK because there isn't any.

>>14158643
He doesn't live in california and is trying to call people names.
LOL
Have fun being raped by Muhammad m8.

>>14158637
>420 - Reading comprehension not found.

Try again, nigger.

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>>14158618
>>14158637
IT'S THE EVIL INDUSTRY'S FAULT, THE INDUSTRY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL EMISSIONS IN THE WORLD, MY BELOVED CARS CAN DO NO WRONG AND PRODUCE NO CARBON OXIDES OR NITROUS OXIDES EVER, OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST ALSO PROTECT AMERICAN INDUSTRY AND BLESS GOD

T. BUBBA

>>14158637
Bruh, they don't put coal plants and steel mills in city centers.

>>14158657
See >>14158658

>>14158660
Right, so then why exactly doesn't the US look like china?

We didn't have emitions standards for 80 years of vehicle and jet operation.

China started 20 years ago..

It's industrial pollution, not vehicle. I bet you are the same sort of faggots who think guns should be illegal because criminals won't be able to buy them from walmart.


>>14158661
You don't know how wind works do you, that shit will blow all the way to Japan, South Korea.

>>14158666
Are you high on dust?

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>>14158668
>Right, so then why exactly doesn't the US look like china?
Because the US have put catalytic converters into cars for the last 40 years. Have a look at Los Angeles in 1948.

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>>14158631
>>14158680


Look at this shit, Dubai is the most polluted city in the world.

>>14158683
That's Darude dumbass.

>>14158632
>You're right. It's because it's made up of people like OP and so even basic emissions control is seen as 'evil'.

China has been improving a shit ton though. Still bad, but improving.

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>>14158680
>>14158683
Just look at this, they need emition standards.

>>14158690
Probably because there are a few people in China that realize they can't make money if they're dead.

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>>14158680

Look at this image of Tokyo, most evil pollution cars.

>>14158683
>>14158692
>comparing a sandstorm to smog
Holy shit, funniest thing I've seen all day.

>>14158668
>You don't know how wind works do you
Do you seriously think Beijing is wreathed in smog near every day because it randomly blows in on the wind?

>>14158705
>comparing fog and cloud cover to smog
you too faggot.

>>14158707
>every day
https://www.google.com/search?q=beijing&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=969&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi7tJuZ_4vKAhUM7SYKHUJ0CSYQ_AUICCgD

How odd that not a single one is in the google search.


You should stop making shit up you uneducated hippy.

>>14158697
>Probably because there are a few people in China that realize they can't make money if they're dead.

Well yea, no shit.

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>>14158668
yeah they introduced mandatory smog tests in the 70's because everything was fine

>>14158715
This isn't even worth fiddy cents.

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>>14158721
>more pictures of fog
Much wow.

Fucking Alaskans ruining the world.

>>14158618
>>14158631
>>14158632
>>14158594
>>14158637

China has very very STRICT emissions regulations for cars (at the very least in my city)
However all the 50 year old 3rd world era trucks spewing everywhere are exempt for some reason

>>14158731
I wasn't even talking about cars.

>>14158728
>mfw this guy thinks smog and fog are the same thing

>>14158738
>I wasn't talking about cars

Right you are the nigger who said cars the the problem, MULTIPLE fucking times and disagreed that it was Industrial pollution causing the problem.

>>14158741
>mfw this guy keeps posting pictures of clouds and fog and claims it's pollution\
You one of those niggers that things drill bits are bullets?

>>14158655
londoner here can confirm
also every diesel i encounter, regardless of brand, that is >3 years old will smell like crap

>>14158728
Are you seriously retarded enough to claim that meteorological analysis doesn't distinguish between fog and smog?

>>14158745
No, I'm not. Cars are part of the problem, though. If you can't understand that, then I am sorry for your parents.

>>14158817
Since they can't even predict basic weather changes, how the fuck they going to just look at something and say "hurrr it's different"

>>14158817
Apparently, yes.

>>14158824
>cars are part of the problem.

Not nearly as much as 8 billion fucking people breathing out every second.

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>>14158826

>>14158832
Wow.

>>14158580
>People getting lung cancer.
>Not from ciggys or other direct chemical inhalant.

Execpt diesel, which is 100% burnt firewood tier carbon is not cancerous. In fact forced spark ignition is the only engine that produced carbon monoxide, which is more of a poison unfiltered.

>>14158826
>they can't even predict the future state of a chaotic system, which isn't even possible
>analysis of existing states is the same as prediction
You're going back to highschool, son.

>>14158826
Murica!

>>14158845
>I don't know anything
We know.

>>14158731
>diesel trucks and buses shitting things up
>burning coal like there is no tomorrow
yep

>>14158852
I have a pre smog 455 V8 and daily a diesel.
You have nothing on the table.

>>14158852
>hurp a durp I'm just going to belittle everyone because I know nothing.

Seriously, if you think cars are a problem compared to the industrial pollution, you are the problem. Go fuck off you god damn hippies.

You are just like those faggots that say guns are a problem in America, when less then .01% of deaths in the US are caused by firearms.

>>14158415
Because its easier to put emission controls on consumers than to force the real heavy polluting industries to stop making monies.

>>14158861
There are these electric/diesel hybrid buses in the inner city areas. Everywhere else, diesel only.

>>14158864
Your possessions don't mean shit. Diesel particulates were deemed carcinogenic by people who actually know what they are talking about. That isn't you.
>>14158865
Fuck off with this shit. It's irrelevant and has nothing to do with anything. Cars are part of the problem. Stop trying to shift blame because you're too autistic to deal with having a fucking filter in the exhaust of a car you don't even own.

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>>14158415
Boomers? Do you even know what that word means?
It's the kids your age that are raging tree huggers.

>>14158882
>hurrr lets focus on the 1% instead of the massive 99% of the real problem
Kill yourself, do us all a fucking favor and just off yourself and all your offspring.

>>14158889
Kill yourself, you can't even fucking read.

>>14158845
VW execs are standing by for your presentation on how diesel is basically air freshener and gubmint is dummy poopoo heads.

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>>14158892
>blames the auto industry for pollution
>is fine with industrial pollution

You don't belong here, go back to /pol you faggot.

>>14158882
Do you know what else is cancerous? Smoke from the fire.

>>14158900
>is fine with industrial pollution
Never said that. Like i said, you can't read. You should kill yourself.

>>14158933
>never said that
>BUT MUH CARS ARE THE REAL PROBLEM
>ONLY FOCUS ON THE 1%
>THAT WILL FIX EVERYTHING
fucking liberal scum.

>>14158944
Are you schizophrenic?

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>>14158968
>coal burning under city for 60 years
of course it's the problem.

>>14158944
Woa woa woa are you saying that liberals are the ones who DONT want to regulate the shit out of polluting industry???

>mind blown.

>>14158993
Liberals never focus on real problems, they focus on the shit that isn't really a part of the real problem, just something involved and doesn't even remotely count as a factor in the real problem.

>company X owns 90% of the industry and is causing pollution problems
>company Z owns .2% of the industry
>liberal attacks company Z and get's them shutdown
>company X buys up company Z
>liberals attack something else now

>>14158824

yes, let's get people out of their cars and onto slow and minority infested trains and buses that put a strain on electric networks whenever they move and get 2 MPG (respectively).

>>14159013
More people who can't read.

>>14159018

I'm sure the power your piece of shit computer is using to make these posts is powered by green energy

>coal rolling thread ?
the irony being that even poorly stoked steam engines more pleasant emissions
.t
live in the place with the worlds cleanest and hottest burning coal
get cuked lignite fuckers

>>14159026
This guy is mad for absolutely no reason. Did a DPF kill your family?

>>14159013
the problem is under utilisation
buses trucks and cars are only efficient when used to full capacity
the massive disparity between peak capacity and average load is what sees you in grid lock
that and the ridiculous idea the commuters have somewhere particular to be

>>14158655
>You can't blame heavy industry in the UK because there isn't any.

London gets a lot of Amerifat tourists.

>>14159035
>>14159058

kill yourselves

>>14159058
>>14159035

You don't belong here, go back to /pol/

>>14158415
the application of them is needed, ever stuck behind an early 60's truck with a carburetor? shits bad enough to make your eyes water.

the way they are used is stupid. they are big and bulky, they cause issues for cars in terms of overall pumping efficiency due to automakers throwing them on last minute in R&D causing issues later in the cars life.

i removed mine on one vehicle due to how it just sooted up and was causing issues. its a shame there isnt a beter way to clean up exhaust other than putting a restrictive lump in the pipe.

>>14159086
Why don't I belong here?

>>14159120
You don't like Automotive products.

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>>14159070
>>14159086
oi vey

>>14159092
>the application of them is needed, ever stuck behind an early 60's truck with a carburetor? shits bad enough to make your eyes water

You are right we should probably start a retrospective roll out of them as well, it will make air quality much better, provide work for mechanics and may encourage people to scrap old Junkers and help our car market as well lord knows it needs it.

>>14159129
so you have been watching too many car adds that show some rich dude driving on beautiful empty roads to exciting and fulfilling destinations

>>14159129
Who said I don't?

>>14159176
I don't live in some shit hole, I've got plenty of open roads where I live.

>>14159256
You hate cars.

>>14159008
Its more like you cant really regulate industry as a whole so they go after what they can get. Its sad and pathetic yes.

Now instead of fighting pollution liberals are trying to create a new industry with green power. To beat and eventually drive them out of business or force them to change.

>>14159264
>You hate cars
Says who?

>>14159129
What's it like being unable to process objective information about things you like? Does it make it difficult to function on a day to day basis?

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>>14159267
>Now instead of fighting pollution liberals are trying to create a new industry with green power.
>Now instead of fighting pollution liberals are trying to create a new industry with green power.
>Now instead of fighting pollution liberals are trying to create a new industry with green power.
>Now instead of fighting pollution liberals are trying to create a new industry with green power.

>>14159092
This

70's was called the smog era for a reason and its because not having a cate = extreme polution so bad you cant breathe and even with a cat most factory/aftermarket tunes can still pollute so bad it makes your eyes water

now i am not a tree hugging hippy but i like to breath fresh air, something sydney is sorely lacking

>>14159008
>Liberals
Oh here we go another ill thought out uneducated rant from a fucktard.

>>14159274
>let's add restrictive devices to our cars
>let's make sure they can only go 2 mph
>let put giant self controlling parts of them
>let's weigh them down with safety features that do NOTHING

You are fucking horrible horrible people. You have no love for cars, you like your commuter, that's it. it makes it so you don't have to get on the train or bus, you don't care about cars themselves.

fucking mosnters.

>>14158689
underrated post

>>14159286
They sure aren't lacking in knife attacks.

>>14159279
Just wait for the Republican line "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."

>>14159293
>let's suffocate ourselves and get into deadly crashes until normies get cars banned altogether

>>14159308
>not letting the normies kill themselves off

>>14159129
no its just I don't like modern roads or modern cars
cars have a place and that is not mass transit

>>14159293
I can't wait until fully immersive VR and we can just shovel you people into your boomer fantasylands and lock the door behind you.

>>14159293
Without pollution control devices the only other option is to restrict use, if that is what you prefer try it you now only get to drive 2 days each month but you can do it smog restriction free.

>>14158580
I have a dpf in my diesel car. I'll probably get it hollowed out in the future.
Having to do long trips just to burn the carbon isn't really that great

>>14159293
>let's add restrictive devices to our cars
Such as? Emissions controls? They aren't restrictive. This isn't the 1970s.
>let's make sure they can only go 2 mph
Because that's something that happens.
>let put giant self controlling parts of them
The FUCK does this even mean?
>let's weigh them down with safety features that do NOTHING
If they do nothing they aren't safety features.

>>14159334
Why? I'm not going to have kids, so I don't give a shit about this planet.

It's why I drive with a ORP.

>>14159340
Nice myopic worldview, faggot.

>>14158894
Burnt petrol is way more noxious than diesel.

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>>14158703
i'm probably feeding a troll, but if you're even half serious you haven't lived in so cal
even when i was a kid in the 90's, the smog was bad in the summer. they would occasionally cancel PE on the worst days.
it has gotten much better over time. you can still see the smog from the mountains, but i can't remember the last time there was a smog alert.

don't get me wrong though, CARB is a bunch of asshole bureaucrats that stop sensible things (putting your own turbo on a car, modifying a car to run on propane, etc.), but there is a point to it.

>>14159337
>Because that's something that happens.
Every day in L.A., something else an enforced usage cap would help with.

>>14159343
No point in looking to the distance if you won't be a part of it.

>>14159340
>I don't care about the planet mom why does the gubmint tell me I gotta play by the same rules as the normies REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I congratulate you on the bravery of your future suicide

>>14159340
>I'm not going to have kids
Well that much is obvious.

>>14159356
Yup, and I'm going to pollute the fuck out of the world for yours. And your hippy ass can't even stop it.

have you ever driven a vehicle without cats

my jeep smells like oil and exhaust, and pumps out more steam than a refinery when its cold

you literally can't stand by it without the slight hint of oil on your clothes. and this is after an oem style muffler

>>14159347
Really? Every day in LA your car is limited to 2mph?

>>14159264
>I've got plenty of open roads where I live.
>cherry pick #apathy

>>14159361
My ass can't my Glock has other ideas.

>>14159367
>has never been in a LA traffic jam
look at this faggot.

>>14159361
Who made you such a faggot? Did daddy touch your no-no parts?

>>14159279

Polluting industry you jackass.
Most air pollution comes from power generation.
Burning coal, the us gets 40% of its power from coal. They want to phase out coal burning with green power.

>>14159373
And my SR9 has it for you as well faggot, try me.

>>14159367
Yes, try any major freeway between 7 and 9 a.m.

>>14159375
So the cars go 2mph to reduce emissions? Is that what's happening?

>>14159375
The gubmint mandates traffic jams now too?

>>14159345
Eurofag detected.

>>14159380
Careful, he thinks cars produce 99% of the pollution problem in the world.

>>14159381
With pleasure pencil dick.

>>14159380
So they're fighting pollution. Why then did the person write "Instead of fighting pollution"?

>>14159381
Of course you're a Ruger cuck. Fuck off with your shitty gun.

>>14159293
Stop complaining and get a superior performing electric car.

>this thread
>/pol/ get BTFO

>>14159385
No what blow to the head gave you that idea?

>>14159401
What blow to the head made you unable to follow a conversation?

It's simple really. CO2. Isn't an issue with cars. People that say this is the issue are retarded. We have trees, we have alternative forms of energy to offset this.

The real problem is NOx. This is what CATs are for. To burn off the NOx.

The real question is in the EU why aren't diesels regulated the same for non-industrial use?

Why is there a displacement tax, when there's not a tax on cars with Turbos?

Not to mention, for some vehicles, having more displacement makes them MORE efficient. An anemic car pulling around a heavy car, isn't going to be efficient, and going to burn more fuel, and create more NOx.

And for all these people going
>fog
>fog
>fog

Just be aware if you ever go to china, and show them a picture of the US wilderness, they'll tell you its a fake, because the world doesn't have that much light.

>inb4 I get called a hippie.

>>14159395
Think of the planet, a Tesla releases more co2 equivalence gasses per mile than an equivalent petrol car if driven in the US.

>>14159392
Instead of wasting time in a stalemate regulating pollution, as in restricting coal burning and fossil fuel burning. They are going at it from another angle.

>>14159393
>owning a glock
It's like you are a nigger.

>>14159301
woudlnt know to tell they truth i live on the
northern nsw gdr far away from that shithole all we get is the odd break in the area ive enver been hit but so thats godo

>>14159406
You may want to check the conversation, at no point was it said or implied that limiting the car to 2mph had anything to do with emissions. Was English comprehension an elective you didn't take as it clashed with pottery?

>>14159408
>Just be aware if you ever go to china, and show them a picture of the US wilderness, they'll tell you its a fake, because the world doesn't have that much light.
can confirm after living in aus all my life and going to europoo via a layover in china both ways bejing is fucking disgusting

>>14159416
>burn coal so you can refine fuel to burn again
>wahhh dem elerctics run on coal mane! its turble!
Plus, you don't have control over what a refinery does, you can always put solar panels on your roof.

>nb4 angrily assumes I am a liberal

>>14159455
Not a samefag. Where your electricity comes from is half the argument. In my area it's mostly renewable energy. Hydroelectric, wind, solar etc.

The real problem is that creating lithium Ion batteries is really dirty, and takes a shit ton of energy. Not only do they have to mine the salts, which are only Nevada, bolivia, or chile, in a specific parts. then it has to be brined,

Not to mention new cars, with the aluminium(Which also takes a shit ton of energy to make) and all the manufacturing processes

>>14159455
You don't understand LSAs do you?

>>14158580
You get cancer from everything though. Eat too much? get cancer. Breathe too much Oxygen? Get cancer. Have sex and get HPV? Get cancer.

>>14159535
>aluminium
Fucking britfags.

>Nevada
Pretty fucking convenient for Tesla, mane. Likewise Chinese sources to plants throughout asia. But yeah, I guess it's hard to compare when no mining goes into fueling a conventional car oh wait.

>>14159600
>Britfag
Implying I'm not sitting in the glorious PNW.

>But yeah, I guess it's hard to compare when no mining goes into fueling a conventional car oh wait.

The point is there's still one more piece you have to manufacturer that takes an exorbitant amount of man power, and energy. Not to mention it leaches into the water supply.

And I can bet you Tesla doesn't get their lithium from nevada. No doubt chile and bolivia because they can get it cheaper because they don't have the environmental bullshit the US has.

>>14159335
You could also not buy a diesel car or maintain it properly.

>>14159579
You are an idiot.

>>14158883
Boomer spotted

>>14159639
>regulations in place to ensure work safety so that miners won't be forced to poison themselves to death at work
>FUCKING ENVIRONMENTAL BULLSHIT

>>14159639
Using American sources is definitely in the gigafactory plans, though. As is running entirely off of renewable sources.

>But anon, I'm pessimistic because reasons
Well let's just wait until full production is underway and see.

>tfw I dd a 6.8l diesel truck with no cat


Fight me nerds

>>14158689
Kek

>>14158415
>boomers who have never owned cars themselves

This is what millenials believe...when will they learn?

>>14160006
You're a millennial.

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>ITT People that have never been to L.A or Houston.

I dont like emissions bullshit but the alternative isnt better.

>>14159794
No need to, the cancer will have killed you by 2020.

>>14160248
well you shouldn't have built your city away from high wind channels. fuck the southern states.

>>14159443
>live in rural nsw most of my life
>visit sydney after years of not being there
its not just china and europe bro

>>14158415
Drive up maintenance costs and force fleet turnover, ultimately force as many working people as possible through economics into shitty public transport so our self-appointed elite masters can be smug about 'saving' the earth...

>>14160542
Kill yourself.

>>14158728

Idiot

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>tfw no catalytic converter

Car never came with one, no idea where I'd put one, and my solution for carburetor problems is always RUN IT RICHER MOTHERFUCKER so it wouldn't even last long.

>>14161232
>Car never came with one

ohhhhhhh devilishhhhhhh

just kidding, you fucking faggot. nobody fucking cares.

>>14159408
Suzhou is pretty clear. Nice place, actually.

People are starting to move there though, so wouldnt stay nice for too long.

>>14158415

shut up you 16 year old miata driving faggot cats are the only reason you can still walk outside and breath.

>>14161285
That's not a cat and I dont own a car.

I walk.

There is no viable reason for a dpf to exist

>>14161307
turns your tailpipe into a volcano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaO57V9JD54&feature=youtu.be

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Oh no, how can we ever rid our vehicles of them?

DD 6.6L diesel with no cat, no egr, no dpf and yey for living in the armpit of the usa (the south)

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>>14158689

>>14161307
>There is no viable reason for a dpf to exist
Yes, there is. Diesel particulates are carcinogenic.

>>14161318
Holy shit

I'll just leave these here.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/28/un-study-says-diesel-trucks-might-not-be-worst-emission-offender/

http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp5/publications/Diesel_Engines_Exhausts_Myths_and_Realities_2014

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I have no idea

>>14161307
>>14161529

A DPF only reduces the size of particles, where previously you were able to cough them up they now penetrate further into your lungs as the body has no defence against small particles (or fibres, etc)

>>14163204

You ignorant fuck. Go read about on how a dpf works.

Who else /nocatconverter/ here?

My car isn't going to make a dent in the chinks' polluting.

>>14163221
they turn soot into ash

Anyone who chooses to take it off can, but it's good that the millions of normie cars are being smog controlled. It's literally a non-issue.. it's only 4 bolts.

>>14163414

Oh boy...

The ash gets incinerated or decomposed depending the type of filter.

I just don't have the energy to explain stuff to morons.

>>14163426
does it not turn soot into ash then?

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Modern DPFs aren't as shit as the first generation ones were, and providing the auto manufacturer putting them on isn't shit to begin with.

This is the original exhaust from a BMW 520d that has covered 150k miles. look how clean it stays.

A diesel engine that is running poorly is torture to drive behind, they fucking stink.

>>14163465
Diesel soot is a road hazard as well because it restricts visibly greatly increasing your risk of an accident.

>>14163487

Were not living in the 1800's yet you know...