Hey /o/, whats your guys consensus on the Porsche 924? I've

>>14033489
I think the 924 is the porsche I know the absolute least about. Bumping for interest.

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>>14033489
>I've always had a boner for 944's but the reliability, cost, and maintenance scare me. I'm not afraid to wrench but the stories seem quite convincing to stay away.

I'm considering buying one, the '944 a moneypit' has become too much of a meme to try and get an earnest opinion of on /o/. One guy here owned one, I think he rebuilt the engine once in like six years. Engine rebuilds are never fun but that's not ridiculous for a 30 year old cheap sports car. I've heard that the 924's engine is worse than the 944's, it at least makes less power.

>>14033629
I think post 1980 the N/A 924 had about 115hp

2ugly4me

would consider as a trash mobile with a 350 swapped in

>>14033701
Why ruin it with a shitty boomer tier engine. At least put something good in it if you don't want to do a turbo conversion.

>>14033759
it can make 400 hp easy

its better in literally every way over all the shitty engines they came with

I owned a US-spec 1977½ 924 automatic. It was complete trash. The money-pit thing is not just a meme, it is the truth.

Every single word of this is true: http://blog.caranddriver.com/lemons-goodbad-idea-of-the-week-character-building-porsches/

On mine - obsolete and very cranky constant-flow mechanical K-Jetronic fuel injection. Despite frequent fuel-filter changes (two fuel filters in the system, both oddball sizes that no parts store keeps in stock, $50 for the pair), rust flakes from inside the fuel system were constantly clogging the pressure regulator and return line. Every few months I had to open it up and clean out the rust flakes. I was lucky to never get a clogged injector; most VW friends with these bosch systems get well acquainted with injector rebuilds.

All the plumbing is crazy, hoses with insane loops and bends to get around parts. Seems like the engine compartment layout was designed by Rube Goldberg. Nothing "universal" will ever work on this car. I spent over $150 on coolant hoses once, and that was at 1998 prices.

The engine on mine struggled to hold any measurable oil pressure when it was warm, and it did not have a ton of miles (I think I bought it at around 70k). And that was using the Porsche-spec heavy weight oil. Lifter clatter was constant at all speeds and temperatures.

The electrical system was a complete nightmare, one of those situations where it's easier to run new wires and set up toggle switches than maintain the factory wiring harness.

And the ignition was also crap. The mechanical advance in the distributor was gummed up and terrible; for the first drive in the morning after parked, it would bog like crazy pulling out into the street until the weights loosened up a little. It had those VW spark plug wires with the heavy metal boots to go down in the hollow next to the exhaust manifold ($40/set), and the wires kept falling apart where they met the boots, making it run on 3 cylinders.

And the HVAC is a complete joke.

>>14033775
Yeah It uses more fuel, makes more heat, and weighs more than the entire car!
Go to bed, grandpa.

>>14033775
I agree the engines options sucked, but honestly I could care less for a V8 swap.

>>14033785
even a 305 would be an improvement

these cars are complete garbage and deserve nothing more than high mileage truck engines that you can get for $200

>>14033798
Jeez could you fags go back to your Alphonse circle-jerk threads. No one cares what you think should be swapped in anything.

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>>14033629
Another 944 enthusiast / first car wannabe here. I was interested in the 924 before, but it really just feels like an inferior version of the double-four. It's significantly older too, so even if parts are cheaper, I'm pretty sure you will be spending even more on repairs.

With that said, given how much of a bargain a 924 is nowadays (shit you not, you can easily find some in alright condition under 1k in England), they probably aren't bad funboxes to mess around with. If you're into some DIY and don't really mind the lack of power, it could certainly be a worthy purchase. Personally, I'd go for the 944, it is only marginally more expensive (you can still find a lot of them on the 2k - 3k margin, albeit most on that price range tend to be heavily worn out - I'm thinking about shilling out 6k for mine) and you're more or less likely to run into the same or maybe even less issues with it, but I can understand why someone would prefer the 924.

Also, will there be a daily 924 / 944 / 968 general? Because I would totally love that.

>>14033824
>alphonse circle jerk
>talking about chevy blocks
I don't think so, tim.
>>14033798
>305
>improving anything

>>14033824
I dont care that youre a fgt that likes shitty engines in shitty cars

I was giving my input on the shitbox

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>>14033701
>>14033759
>>14033785

Any swap on these is a nightmare because of the snowflake front engine / rear transmission combination. It's literally a FWD Audi 100 transmission installed in the rear.

I forgot to mention that my 924 blew not one, but two head gaskets.

>>14033629
>the '944 a moneypit' has become too much of a meme
Does anyone have that screenshot of the anon explaining exactly why so many people give it a moneypit reputation?

>>14033839
So you then instead derail and go on about V8 meme swaps? how is that giving any useful input dumbass.

>>14033846
its all shitposting so whats the difference :^)

>>14033865
woops meant to reply to
>>14033848

>>14033865
>calls me a dumbass
>cant even quote the right person

lol

its not a meme when its an honest suggestion

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>>14033839
I honestly wouldn't mind the lack of power, my current DD only has 120. I'm in the US so who knows if prices here are the same as where you are. If i just had the car as a tinker toy that would be enough for me.

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They are pretty good for rally modding too.

>>14033882
>302 swap
>an honest suggestion

You can leave now. No one is this retarded.

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>>14033893
>If i just had the car as a tinker toy that would be enough for me.
And as far as my non-empirical knowledge goes, that's really what the 924 is, a tinker toy of the 944. Therefore, it might just be the right Porscher for you.

>>14033839
The 924 is heavier (less aluminum), slower, cheaper, and (marginally) more reliable.

Honestly neither the 944 or 924 have any real power compared to modern cars, so losing that extra little bit of engine going down to the 924 is a pretty decent deal. And the Euro version of the engine might have made closer to the rated 110 HP (the US-spec I had was not even close to the rated output - it would lose to my mom's 88hp Escort in a stoplight drag).

>>14033901
>305 with intake heads and cam makes well over 300hp

a 302 would be even better choice

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>>14033923
Yeah, i just don't want to spend an assload on parts. It seems that's the deal with owning any Porsche including relatively undesirable ones.

>>14033931
>neither the 944 or 924 have any real power compared to modern cars
Hm? I always heard people saying the 944 Turbo and the S2 were essentially budget trackday cars.

>>14033901
A SBC weighs around 550 lbs in full dress. A ford 302 weighs about 440. The Audi 2.0 used in the 924 weighs about 350 lbs. That weight difference is around the same as one passenger - and the 924 starts off with a rear weight bias.

If you could find a way to hook it up to the goofy rear transaxle, and not have it instantly shatter, it might be a worthwhile swap. But it would involve way more fabrication than anyone on /o/ could handle.

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>>14033858
Because they were produced in high volume but were never high performers or iconic as the 911's so they when people started selling them off in the 2000's, people saw it as an opportunity to buy a cheap Porsche. But thanks to German over-engineering and making internal maintenance overly complex for their 50/50 fetish along with their shit tier water pumps and timing belts and nearly impossible transaxle repair meant that a lot of engines were damaged and never properly repaired, or people put off or ignored expensive maintenance leading to an influx of cheap, ill-maintained 944's for third wave buyers.

There are inherent problems with the 944 and it's too late to buy a new one to start maintaining it perfectly, but if you manage to find one well taken care of in good condition and have everything inspected, there's no reason to assume it will spontaneously break down.

>>14033959
>would involve way more fabrication than anyone on /o/ could handle.
Exactly, it probably wouldn't even be worth trying to figure out hooking into the transaxle, redo rewiring/plumbing, or custom do everything just for a 302/305 swap. Converting/swapping a turbo'd 924 engine would be the smarter idea.

so hard that the first result is about swapping a Chevy V8 into one lel

http://944hybrids.forumotion.com/t82-how-to-convert-the-porsche-924-944-to-v8-power


>The conversion is pretty straight forward and easy to accomplish by do-it-yourselfer's in as little as a weekend’s time.

lel

>>14033949
I was speaking of the ~140 hp base model 944, not the turbo or the S. In my opinion, the value proposition on these cars is in the cheap, plentiful base models. But even the Turbo only barely matches the power of a Toyobaru.

But who says you need a lot of power in a track day car? These cars are all about cornering and conserving momentum, not acceleration and straight line top speed.

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>>14033993
>tfw work in a fabrication shop

I mean, people have already done a multitude of LS swaps into 944's and 924's, just seems it would be easier given other people's experience as a general stepping stone.

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hey look its that car mazda copied and made a better version of

>buy an rx7 and put porsche badges on it

>>14034030
kek, ain't lying though i'd much rather have an RX-7. You would probably pay less to maintain one even with gas, oil, and blown apex seals.

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Porschie Orgie Bumpy >:3

>>14033489
Ugly stepsister, like buying a narrow body starquest.

In fact, just buy a starquest.

>924s is okay I guess

>>14034002
Putting that quote in context....
>The conversion is pretty straight forward and easy to accomplish by do-it-yourselfer's in as little as a weekend’s time. Cost is a very constant question when contemplating such a drastic move and there is no real answer. A typical conversion, assuming you already have one of these models, is roughly 6-18 thousand dollars. This also assumes that you yourself will be doing all the work. However, having a local garage do the work could range between 10-21 thousand dollars and up.

>>14034045
>probably pay less to maintain one even with gas, oil, and blown apex seals.
You ain't kidding. 924/944's are thirsty as HELL for what they are. My 924 got the same fuel economy as my 350-powered C5 Blazer, and burned more oil than all 3 of my RX7's combined. And the 944's tendency to throw rods in track use is worse than the 7's appetite for apex seals and rotor housings.

I owned a 1979 924 4speed manual. It was indeed a good car. Fun to drive. More a GT car than a racer. Forgiving balance and good recovery from driver error. It's not a 914 in terms of speed and weight. It's not a 911 in terms of launch. It's that generation's entry level Porsche much like the Boxter. Even in its S2 variant- it's not the land shark power cruiser 928, nor a match for a 968 in race or GT roles.

But it is a great car.
Weak points are going to be fuel systems. Age means you're going to either be swapping the filter every few months or spending the cash to remove gas tank and steam clean and coat it to solve the problem permanently.
The main drive belt is a pain to replace but doable by anyone. Alternator is a pain in the butt to change but again doable.

The Audi engine is a tank- the Porsche intake is a tank. The gasket that mates the two together is a weak as hell useless and impossibly difficult to replace right craptastic pain.
Average fuel economy is in the 30 mpg range. Air conditioning is anemic. Heater is epic. Build quality is really nice except the dash will crack no matter what you do.
As a daily driver it's a great car. But it's not a track car out of the box.

Most drivers assume it is a track worthy car by today's standards. But it really isn't. Most people who buy them as their first Porsche get pissed because it doesn't drive like a current 911.
It's a robust over engineered car that is pretty cheap to own and insure. A good one costs around $7000 now. Beater versions around $1200. With a few thousand dollars in hand for basic mechanical overhaul and getting maintenance up to snuff, they really are great cars.

>>14037258
>Average fuel economy is in the 30 mpg range
Downhill with a tailwind, maybe! I never saw better than 14 in mine.

Before I cleaned the fuel infection and gas supply it was a solid 10-12 mpg. After 24-30 mpg.

Current 968 gets around 30-32 mpg.

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How is the 944 mpg wise?

As an Eurofag who travels circa 15 km to college everyday, am I beyond screwed?

944 around 17-24 depending on year and also how maintained the fuel system is. My buddy has a fleet of them. So far my 968 is doing very well but it's also due to the fact that I did full tear downs on the engine and drive train.

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>>14039588
>944 around 17-24 depending on year and also how maintained the fuel system is
Shit, that's gonna cost some serious dough in Poortugal, where fuel costs twice as much as in the US. I guess train will keep on being my primary transportation to college, this Porscher is only going to see local roads and formal trips at that rate.

>>14037916
mine gets about 22-24 on a good fuel conscious day, but i enjoy putting carbon back in the atmosphere where it belongs so when im having fun it dips to like 12-14, and when dead dinosaurs are this cheap ($1.89 usd /gallon) I tend to stay on the smiles per gallon side of shit

>>14033846
>shitty eurotrash
>not getting improved with a real engine
Granted, the 305 is a turd, but these things are a giant heap of shit.

>>14033959
The Audi drivetrains are pretty solid, that's at least one good thing about them.