Looks like chevy is underrating 2016 SS to protect the vette

And still not 100HP/liter

>Hennessey
Probably just a happy dyno.

>>14018998
Or just skewed correlation factors.

>>14019073
correction*

Damn auto-correct.

>>14018998
This, I'd trust a more reputable source.

Yeah I also own a small block chevy they're pretty swift

>>14019090
Small windows protect you from glass when you inevitably get too shifty with your curves and twists and the rear wheel drive leads. Awd > rwd

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Bone stock auto time for the 6th gen with obviously a driver mod

11.9 stock with radials

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>>14019154

Modifications:
>150 shot
>Tune

On drag radials. The weight savings are real

>>14018998
that dyno acually reads low ish
motor trends SS made 410 rwhp if i remember right.

>>14019154
thats fucking fast for a mullet car.

>>14019171

Dude an auto on stock tires runs the same pass as a ZL1/Z28

Aslong as Camaro engineers worked their magic to keep the LT1 from blowing up it's looking like a winner

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>>14018929
wat
how is advertising 455hp and dynoing 431hp
>underrating
the camaro?
especially since they're advertising the corvette at 460hp, I don't think they're too concerned with protecting it

>>14019192
True. They didn't care if the z28 would damage the Vette last gen...

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Is it faster than a civic now?

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>>14019192

>>14019192
Ebin troll or actually don't understand BHP Vs WHP?

>>14019192
>what is parasitic drivetrain lose?

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>>14019200
always was

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>>14019192
>this is your typical /o/ poster

>>14019213
yes, i understand crank vs wheel hp
what I don't understand is why OP thinks chevy is
>UNDERRATING
the camaro

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>>14019214
GM failed to compete. It's just pathetic at this point.

>>14019212
yes, i get BHP vs WHP

>UNDERRATING
the camaro would be advertising 400hp and dynoing 431hp
correct?
so how is advertising 455hp and delivering less at the wheels
>UNDERRATING
the car

following now?

>>14019242
u mean that heavy outdated Z28 with an engine from 2005 and a chassis from 2004?

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>>14019214
>having to spend 80k just to beat a fucking civic

>>14019090
I was expecting arrows and was disappointed.

>>14019255
bro
455 CRANK horsepower advertised
431 to the wheels
means about 495 horsepower at the crank

so they are underrating it just like the LS1 camaros.

>>14019255
>>14019236
>drivetrain lose
You're not very good at this.

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>>14019258
>b-but it's not fair
>gm kekolds have to justify their purchase of a shit vehicle
Ford is GOAT. GM simply can't compete.

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>>14019263
you dont have to

>>14019255
>the camaro would be advertising 400hp and dynoing 431hp
>correct?
No.

431whp is the actual hp that makes it to the ground, 455bhp is what the engine itself is rated at. Usually cars suffer from roughly 15% drivetrain loss, which would mean this car is producing 507BHP.

This is highly unlikely though seeing as other LT1s aren't pulling down numbers like this. Like was stated earlier this is either a happy dyno or skewed correction/altitude factors.

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>>14019272
KEK!

>>14019270
it's not shit, many people like them
Just outdated and old, like R34s

>>14019272
C5 is slow as shit look at the rest of the tracks, civic r raaaaapes it

>>14019268
so this thing loses the power of a small shitbox between the crank and the wheels?
god damn, I thought we would have something more efficient by now

so if you faggots are saying the camaro might lose or more hp how come econoboxes that make 60 hp can move in the first place

>>14019288
Yeah but R34s are actually shit.

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>>14019288
>excuses
GM can't compete with the best (ford or in this case honda).

>>14019295
dont get mad you cant import them

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>>14019289

>>14019290
Literally every car suffers drivetrain lose, 12-15% los is pretty standard these days for a manual car.

>>14019258
>outdated
>1 year old

Wat?

>>14019289
Z06 raped the NSX back in the day on comparable tires, you people are fucking retarded.

>>14019290
a 13% loss is very efficient these days.
some DCTs lost 18%+
is you believe Chevys 455Hp number that's a 5.5% loss kek

>muh cherry picked lap times
I love this meme.

>>14019316
alright, I'm retarded then
I know there are losses, but I figured 25hp was a believable drivetrain loss for a modern car, so I wasn't getting the underrating. I'll shut the fuck up now

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>>14019307
>paying 55k to beat a civic
KEK!
>>14019330
>muh denial
>gm kekolds think their shitty car can compete
KEK! Ford is GOAT.

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>>14019317
>Z06 raped the NSX back in the day
kek

so if a shitbox transmission only loses 20 hp instead of 60, why dont we fit the shitbox transmission in the camaro to reduce the power loss?

>>14019154
>>14019160
>drag radials
yawn

>>14019268
>means about 495 horsepower at the crank
kek bro its not the 70s anymore. modern transmissions are efficient as fuck. youre stupid 15%-25% rule of thumb is irrelevant

>>14019356
Because the shitbox transmission would explode.

>>14019341
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/645216302/overview/?aff=aol

not even close m8

>>14019373
You should probably just filter anyone using that name.

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>>14019343
>tfw a 4th gen F-body outlaps a S2000 too

-All tested same day by steve millen for Road and Track

>Corvette Z06 - 2:08.39
>Acura NSX - 2:14.15
>Camaro SS - 2:16.46
>S2000 - 2:17.66

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>>14019373
>paying 55k dollars for a shitty gm product

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>>14019382
>still can't beat a V6 GTR
KEK!

Happy dyno is happy, I'm doubting direct injecting a ls3 nets you 70 crank.

>>14019362
Literally saw a post on LS1 tec
LS3 dyno at westech performance.
then swapped into a 69 camaro and chassis dyno'd it
they did the math and it lost 16.3% with a T56 magnum

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>>14019382
>journalists who are paid by manufacturers to shill their products is good

not even trying m8

>>14019390
GTR can't beat an F1 car, so get your slow as fuck Nissan out of here.

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>>14019307
>80k car barely faster than 30k fwd honda

Fuckin kek

>>14019404
the 2014+ LT1 is 100% new from top to bottom.
it's not an LS3.
not a single carry over part.

>>14019408
>m-muh cherry picked laptimes are better than yours
m8 pls.

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>>14019405
Buh Buh but his eg hatch doesn't lose that much to the rear wheels....

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>>14019373
>the zl1 depreciates in price
>the gt500 appreciates in price
KEK!

>>14019382
The only thing a fbody is lapping is it's own wet noodle chassis when it starts falling apart leaving pieces everywhere

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>>14019408

>>14019417
Yeah......just like an ls3 isn't a bored out ls1........

>>14019418
how am i cherrypicking anything

im comparing highest trim vs highest trim

>>14019411
see
>>14019373
and the type r starts at £30,000 which is $45,000 usd

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>>14019410
Neither can a corvette.
>>14019418
excuses
>>14019427
>still can't beat a V6 GTR

>>14019437
>meme laptimes from a meme site are accurate
bruh, come on bruh

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>>14019454
>excuses

>>14019449
I never said anything about a Corvette. In fact, this thread was supposed to just be about the power output of the Camaro SS. I'm not even OP but /o/ is fucking stupid.

x car doesn't suck because y car can out perform it...that is, unless you're a child.

>>14019449
>>14019465
>memeing this hard

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>>14019469
>this assmad gm can't compete
>>14019474
>factual evidence is a meme
GM simply can't compete.

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>>14019478

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>>14019454
>meme laptimes from a meme magazine

there is video proof of said NSX laptime

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>>14019160
And the fat ass camaro is still slower than a mustang with the same mods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffVBiSFBwKI&index=39&list=PLCqAT7px7wonzVOQUxlsgtlR0OA53Zqrv

>>14019398
>GT-R can't even beat a V6 Mustang

Can we just stop talking about that thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcuXLuUI8wg

>>14019289
DAMAGE CONTROL
A
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A
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C
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N
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>>14019484

>>14019488
>>14019478
How many memes per minute you got there, bruh?

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lets not kid ourselves, the real king here is mazda

>>14019484
NISSAN BTFO
I
S
S
A
N

B
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F
O

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>>14019502
>>14019495
>>14019484
https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/
>gtr
7:08.68
>z06
7:22.68

TOP FUCKING KEK

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>>14019505
saved

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>>14019506
The corvette already gets btfo by its own engine.

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>>14019513

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>>14019523
KEK!

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>>14019527

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>>14019527
Snek needs a word with you

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>>14019523
>laguna seca

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tfw finally updated filters

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>>14019533
>manages to be faster until it grenades itself after a few lapping sessions
KEK!
>>14019540
>has to bring up the snek to beat deal with the corvette being slower
KEK!

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>>14019552

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>same day
>same drivers
>gtr always wins
kek

and lets not forget about how the corvette goes into limp dick mode after a couple minutes. races are meant to go for more than a single /hot/ lap, silly gm fangirls =))

>>14019540
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a27128/its-official-dodge-viper-production-ends-in-2017/

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>>14018929
Scoreboard GM does it again! Over-rustle from the import owners.

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>>14019558

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>>14019558
see
>>14019527

TOP KEK

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ITT: GM fangirls on suicide watch

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>>14019567
>cant discuss street cars any further
>gets mad and brings racecars

kek

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>>14019497
>literally so mad that he yells damage control

>>14019582
>can't talk about anything without it turning into a gtr vs corvette shitshow

>>14019567
>gm has never ever won the 24h of le mans
daily reminder roflmao

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>>14019595
>this assmad gm can't compete

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>>14019594
Your shitty reaction image won't make the Civic any faster.

>>14019596
Neither has Nissan, but Ford has won a few.

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>>14019606
>this assmad gm can't compete

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>>14019595
whats the matter, you no longer feel like shitposting now that the corvette lost?

>>14019615
I'm not who you think I am moron.

>>14019609
>be GOAT Ford
>can win in WRC and Le Mans

Wtf Nissan and Chevy, are you even trying?

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>>14019622
Atleast nissan is trying.... unlike gm.

>>14019491
Doesn't have the same mods retard.

>>14019622
And Porsche has the most overall wins out of anyone.

>>14019633
>overall
You mean in Le mans and one make series? Cool one trick pony M90.

>tfw Porshit doesn't have a single WRC constructors title
>tfw Porshit doesn't have a single NASCAR cup title
>tfw Porshit doesn't have a single F1 constructors title

>FORD IS GOAT

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>>14019612
>this assmad honda can't compete

>>14019658
No I only meant overall wins at the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

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>>14019665
>he's actually this assmad

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>and still can't beat a miata at a keyboard race

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>>14019606
Hint* you're the bitch in the pic

>>14019665
u wot

honda nd GM are literally the only brands at Indy

>>14019469
protip - when talking to alphonse, not responding is the best response

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I don't even care. The camaro has a bunch of hand me down parts from the corvette and that's pathetic. The camaro will never be its own unique car and will always be a parts bin car.

The mustang is still the better value because it's the better package overall.
Better ride for every day driving.

More than enough power for your average pony car buyer.

Better ergonomics inside and is more comfortable

Better sight line out of the car which helps when driving on the track/touge

Better looking. The camaro doesn't look all that different and doesn't have beautiful lines like the mustang does.

Mustang wins again.

>>14019552
Lmao I think I like Alphonso

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>>14019822
Oh! I wasn't aware the mustang came equipped with magnetic ride control. Thanks for the info :)

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>>14019822
Kek

>>14019854
Ah so your ride can be even shittier?

The camaro wasn't designed around anything inparticular. There was no solution to any problems.

They had an engine already. They had parts from the higher end camaros and corvettes. Then they just threw it all together to see what happened and what you see is what you get.

What a horrible way of doing things. They had no vision of what they wanted the car to be. Instead they kept things very similar to the last car so they could keep using the parts from the cars of the past and corvette parts.

Long story short is the camaro isn't a camaro. It really isn't anything. It's a mash up of past ideas and current ideas and it fails in reaching any sort of goal. They had no damn vision for how the camaro should be and how they can build the car around the chassis to meet that vision.

Mustang did all of that right. Sorry bro. You lost this one. You lost this one.

>>14019822
All accord mehmehs aside, the new mustang looks like a honda accord with 5.0 badges. 3900lbs of trash and barely faster than a ls1 f-body.

>>14019887
The 15 mustang got heavier, slower, and far uglier, but gained what? A better ride with irs? The Mustang is nearly Mopar tier power to weight at this point.

>>14019899
>3900lbs

3700 lbs.

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>>14019887
You're a bully :"(

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>>14019854
Love the black!

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>>14019921
>3100

Tell us moar about your boat kiddo

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>>14019925
I really like the white with the black&white leather combo but the ss is soo damn expensive and i have college to pay for atm but a used one is in my nearish future hopefully

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>>14019919
>slower

>>14019935
This thread isn't about the Vette, brah.

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>>14019887
>They had no vision of what they wanted the car to be

The Camaro has been a Mustang with a bow tie since it trailed it's entrance in the '60s.


>>14019919
>The Mustang is nearly Mopar tier power to weight at this point.
>it's about 50lbs heavier than the Camaro

What is that saying about glass stones and brick houses?

>>14019919
Slower and uglier? Lmao. Every car reviewer agrees that the new mustang is gorgeous and will age well while the camaro already looks dated and awkward.

Slower? It may be off the camaro a few tenths of a second in all tests but for better ergonomics, interior and looks I'll take the mustang instead.

Once again Ford is like bmw. They do more with less. And they do it good and sweet. Fuck off, Chev boy.

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>>14019950
All I see is #1

Ford has literally repeated it's own history of the foxbody 5.0 and SN-95 5.0. How did they not learn?

>be quicker than Camaro for years
>next gen camaro comes out with new engine(which was ironically also called LT1)
>next gen mustang comes out that weighs even more than last gen but uses the same engine
>camaro is now faster
>gm shills can finally come out of their hiding spots again

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>>14020136
It's faster but it's not the better car.

Do a few things to the coyote and it'll rape the camaro. Camaro is just a poor mans corvette now for sure that it shares a bunch of parts because gm is too lazy to put real time and effort into it to make it a genuine camaro through and through. Instead they Frankenstein corvette parts into it and make a big deal when it goes fast at the drag strip. Wow good for you that coyote that costs less will rape it I'm sure. Give the owners some time. A few simple mods and the camaro will be raped. Raped. Raped raped raped raped raped. Raped. Raped. Raped.

Fuck you Chev boys. Go back into hiding. Come out when the camaro is actually a nice looking car.

>>14020195
You can like the Mustang better all you want, but your reasoning for hating the Camaro is retarded.

>>14020241
>he doesn't like knock-offs
I suppose you think Rotas are alright too?

>>14019212
>>14019213
>>14019268
>>14019269
Alright faggots, let's get one thing straight.
This is NOT underrated at all. It simply means Chev are being more honest these days in regards to power output. IF the henneshit dyno is accurate, that 455hp rating is probably at the hubs.

If you want an example of ACTUAL underrating in the modern world, look at the FPV GT-F. A car with '351kw' that frequently dynos at 360rwkw.

>>14020195
So how far ahead is the Camaro at the 150 mph mark if it's 4 seconds ahead? That's right,55 car lengths or 900ft. Seems like a damn long way. That's nearly 3/16th of a mile. Or 25 bus lengths. Or three football fields. Or an epic ass-raping.

>>14020285
>a car being rated at 455BHP making 430WHP isn't underrating because it's still a smaller number even though the measurements are different

Australians everyone.

>>14020195

>a chevrolet small block doesn't have loads more headroom for mods than a coyote

Other cars are dynoing around 405whp. It it isn't underrated. It makes the exact same horsepower as the C7.

>>14020309
Feel free to point out where they say where they measured their advertised power output, cunt.

>>14020100
>0.14s faster 1/4 mile with drag radials

>>14020364
https://www.sae.org/certifiedpower/details.htm

Here ya go, ya limey cunt.

>>14020376
Nice link to a bunch of irrelevant bullshit, faggot.

Now again, feel free to point out where GM state that the power output of 455hp for the LT1 in the Camaro is measured at the engine.

>limey
Not a britbong you delusional landwhale fuck.

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>>14020365
Ass-rape by three football fields

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>>14019465
>LaFerrari
>949 HP
>beats the next closest competitors by 7 seconds

Shiiiiit. I bet it'd kill the fuck out of you.

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Ass rape by 900ft water slide. Poor ford

>>14020573
Where are you getting that. If anything the camaro will reach its top speed sooner and be stuck at 165 giving the Stang a chance to catch up.

It's only a 4 second gap at 150mph and how often are you going 150mph against a camaro on a highway.

Once again Ford knows consumers better and what wins them over. They have a better ergonomics team and better engine/gearing team to get good numbers out of less power.

Honestly I'm a little surprised the camaro isn't faster you dork. Supposedly it has close to 500 crank horsepower well where is it.

>>14020573
Also with those highway passing tests - the camaro is automatic and is allowed to downshift while the manual mustang has to stay in a regular cruising gear like 5th or 6th without the option of downshifting. So no wonder the camaro is faster. Another dumb test by a dumb magazine that doesn't show the truth. If the camaro were manual I'm sure the times would be similar.

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>>14019362

>12 seconds flat stock with street tires

Also naturally this thread spins into a fucking GTR v Corvette shit posting

this place is worse than /v/

>>14021635
Tell me about it. /o/ has made me ashamed I like the GT-R.

I mean shit, every thread made about something GM and less than 20 years old turns into shitposting.

Like our car wasn't shitty and unreliable for the first two years, like our car isn't far more expensive, like our car isn't going to be replaced by a FWD based hybrid.

I weep.

>>14020195
The shill is strong with this one.

>you mean to tell us if you bolt on one of two evenly matched motors, the bolt on motor will get faster?

Coyotes have shit for bolt on potential, just like every NA mustang before it. If you not doing forced induction, just don't bother.

>>14021888
Wtf are you talking about. I have a bolt on coyote. The amount of power you can make with simple bolt ons is a hell of allot better than it is with a camaro

>>14022517
A bolt on LT1 makes around 460-470whp before cam swap.

>>14022603
Ok, so going by the dyno in the OP you gain 30-40whp from bolt-ons? A bolt-on 5.0 Makes around 440whp and only makes around 380-390whp stock. If anything you gain more from the 5.0 with bolt-ons.

>>14022603
Who cares. The mustang keeps up with a camaro with a corvette engine. lol. Just proves their engineers know how to build a better car with less horsepower.

Because hey, not everyone wants 500hp at the crank for daily driving. Just more proof that Chevrolet is out of touch with pony car buyers. They keep upping the ante to their top of the line vehicles when they don't have to.

Why don't they just try making a good car for once instead of it being all about horsepower from a corvette engine. Yawn

>>14022751
Are you mentally retarded?

>>14022810
I don't think he is. Chevy owners tend to be the most obnoxious dick waving consumers, so it makes sense that the company would pander to BIGGUR NUMBERZ DOOD

I've even seen them brag about having physically bigger engines, which is arguably a moot point these days. It's insane.

>>14022810
Are you? Do you understand what makes a good car? The camaro hasn't been a good car for ages. Yes they can make it go fast around a track but that doesn't make up for its many shortcomings in other areas that the mustang has perfected.

Look at the sales numbers. Mustang sells more because they put together a better package. You lose this time bro. Come back in a few years when Chev actually tries to make a good car. Oh wait it will look like the current camaro and they'll tell you it's all new from the ground up when it isn't

>>14018929
>inb4 it's just a generous dyno and 10% drivetrain loss

>>14020736
Wtf? !
This looks awesome, where did they set this up?

>>14022863
Literally what. Mustang sales are primarily nostalgia, heritage, meme.

>>14022751
>not everyone wants 500hp at the crank for daily driving. Just more proof that Chevrolet is out of touch with pony car buyers

Holy fucking kek.

Do you even know what the point of a pony car even is?

This fucking thread holy shit. I'm sorry to see this happen OP, hopefully the shitposters will get bored in a few more months.

>>14023214
You forget where you are, anon.
> and you're here forever muhahaha

>>14023235
>Lel itz 4chinz let's shitpost everywhere

This is /o/, not /b/. It was nowhere near this bad even at the start of 2015.

>>14022863
You sure are a special one. The camaro has been outselling the mustang for years. Only this year has the stang done better and that's just because it's a new model while it's the fifth gens last year.

>>14023263
You're wrong. And ps the main magazines reviewing the mustang aren't putting proper gas in it. So it's down on power but still putting up those numbers.

So a simple change to the right gas will have the mustang getting allot closer to the camaro and its corvette engine.

Just wait. As more reviews come out the mustang will be keeping up with the camaro in them.

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>>14023263
You're even more special

>>14019362
You're retarded. In a RWD layout, there's typically 10-15% loss still.

>>14022688
Don't go by the dyno in the OP. The LT1 dynos 400-410whp. With bolt ons and tune it makes around 460-470whp. The LT1 and Coyote are fairly even motors capable of making good numbers.

>>14023263
>The camaro has been outselling the mustang for years
>>14023331
during the last 15 years (2000-2014) on the chart, the Mustang has outsold the Camaro 12 years out of 15.

The Camaro’s cabin may as well be an Apollo capsule compared to the Space Shuttle-sized ATS.

The 2016 model’s high beltline and comically small greenhouse lets only a sliver of sunlight through its narrow gaps.

More than once behind the wheel, it felt like the Camaro was breaking some sort of law for outward visibility.

The Camaro offers no real look at the road behind you. The rear window may as well be painted-on: it’s useless.

>>14023307
>proper gas

Get back to youtube kiddo

>>14019263
But the same logic doesn't apply for vette v gtr??? Why are these shills here