Imagine a slow, fat, heavy miata which handles and performs worse.

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>>13969715
Everyone realizes the FRS is shit. No need for a reminder.

Here's your reply

>What's the point of an overgrown Miata if it's not even faster?

how about the fact that it doesn't make you a faggot.

also with a turbo it destroys miata and stangs like they're nothing. get fucked.

>>13969715

at least it doesn't scream "i love sucking cock"

k

>>13969742
>>13969743

>I think Miatas are gay
>let me get a fat slow ripoff even though its objectively better in every way including looks

Sounds about right

>>13969742

And a Miata would destroy FRS and stangs with LS1 and an afternoon. Big whoop, you crush unmodded cars with a modded one. That's like picking on kids in the schoolyard.

>>13969757
except a bolt on turbo is realistic while your ls fantasy is just you meme'ing because you're a massive autist lol. you have no clue how fucked your miata would be handling wise if you did that too, but then again you're just shitposting.

>>13969742
>turbo
>12.5 to 1 engine
Sounds like a great use of a turbo

Considering a FR-S and not even thinking about a Miata.

Why? Because fuck a 2 seater convertible as a main car.

None of these posts are even real. Why anyone replies with actual seriousness is beyond me. People like what they like. They like fiats, fine. Like mustangs, fine. Like BRZ/frs, fine.

Have actual auto discussions instead of being retards.

>>13969757

found the cock sucker

>>13969757
>Engine swap
>as realistic as bolting on a turbo

Miata fags everyone

>>13969767
you don't know shit about engines let alone turbo'd ones you cocksmoker.

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>>13969715

>>13969786
>>13969765

Yeah, because putting another engine into another car is impossible, right? I mean it's not like it's routinely done by many car enthusiasts to increase power or anything.

>would destroy
>faster than
>destroy
>destroys
>roadster

benchracers should die.

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>>13969773
FRS owner here, the backseats are basically useless for anyone with legs.

Really fun car to drive though

>>13969742
>People actually think this

Here's a stock FR-S with a dyno tuned ECU.

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>>13969929
I swear I attached that file. Anyway, the Miata dyno that's about to follow is 165 WHP on 91 with no hardware modifications.

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>>13969941
Which of these two cars has more potential? You decide.

>>13969941
>photograph of a screen

holy shit just end your life if you think you have any credibility now.

>>13969941
>Run with piss poor petrol
>anon in charge of not shitting

the "Stock FRS" dynos are all over the fucking place, I've seen people shit them for 150whp, or up to 190, it depends on if the place wants the car to look good or not.

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>>13969946
probably the one that isn't a wet noodle convertible.

>>13969947
NICE

>>13969947
It's a picture someone else took of the dyno computer that probably doesn't have an internet connection.

>>13969957
Anything over ~175 is in "shootout mode," which estimates flywheel horsepower. It's easy to lie with dynos, but hard to lie convincingly.

>>13969962
Do you have anything to demonstrate that the FR-S has a stiffer chassis other than "but look at the roof!"? I'm quite a fan of numbers

>>13969783
no anon. A 757 is a plane.

>>13969757
>Sounds about right

It is right though. Normies think Miatas are gay, its the one car meme that even people who don't care about cars know. My girlfriend's roommate straight up burst out laughing when she was swiping though tinder and came across a photo of a guy standing beside his NB. Even fucking Family Guy made a "Miatas arent real sports cars" joke.

Lots of people buy sports cars for image rather than performance alone, and the FRS is a cheap "cool car" that's realistically obtainable for young 20-something year old guys working their first real job out of college or trade school or whatever. If that's all you want and you dont give a shit about weight distributions and hurrdurring times, the whole "not being laughed at by women and called gay" thing is going to be a pretty big plus for you.

>>13970068
i also have the fact that it's not 20 years old and riddled with rust and spot welds.

>>13970196
you just don't get it. you think the burgerking laptime was done in a stock miata? it had a rollbar and a shitload of engine rebuilds.

>>13970214
>you just don't get it

I don't think you got MY post. I'm saying that even if a stock Miata were to somehow make it around the ring a full 20 seconds faster than the FRS, there are still people who would buy the FRS instead because they don't give a shit about those kind of figures at all. All they want is a cheap sports car that looks cool and doesn't get them made fun of.

>>13970198

>rust
>car
yeah if you're retarded
never seen a rusty car in my life

We all know a real enthusiast would buy a 944.

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>>13970354
A real enthusiast would buy a rotary

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>>13970365

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>>13970198
I see no rust.

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>>13970393
And FCs ate 944s, so that means...

>>13970196
>>13970248
Now that Mazda got rid of the happy face, this is a nonissue. Now those people will just see an S2000 or an F-Type, depending on what angle they see it from.

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>>13970450
I don't know what you guys are talking about but that face still looks pretty happy to me

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>>13970459
Looks like derpy fish lips to me. Easily the worst feature of the car.

>>13969715
>miatafags actually think this

Just keep driving your $2,000 shitbox and leave everyone else alone you angry autistic faggot.

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>>13970474
Stay jelly, slowfag.

>>13970466
I don't think it looks good, but it still looks happy to me. The face is pretty bad though, it would look way better with the NCs eyes. The grill is kind of off too, and the led strips look like gills. The rear and side of the car look so good but they fucked up the front. The NB will still remain the best looking Miata.

imagine driving a convertible that's looser than your mom

Oh wait, you don't need to because the miata exists.

>>13970450
Doesn't matter what it looks like, it's still a Miata. The stigma is attached to the name, not the design. As long as people know you're driving a Miata, they're going to call you gay.

>>13970585
Yeah, but the name isn't really attached to the design at this point. You won't get shit from normies that see you cruising in your ND, because they won't know what it is. Does it even have Miata badges, or just MX-5?

>>13970196
So you're saying people buy sports car mainly for looks? That's the equivalent of ricers. Aka homosexuals.

So what's the difference between looking gay in a miata and driving a sports car?
>none

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>>13970830
the difference is that you're willing to look gay in a sports car mainly becuase of the way it drives, which is just as bad as driving a car for the way it looks regardless of the way it drives. in reality both choices are compromises and arguing otherwise is a coping mechanism for buyers remorse.

there. that's it .QED. thread's over. now get the fuck out.

>>13969743
>>13970474
>>13969765
>>13970830
Reminding you faggots that this costs less than a used sti and still kills everything it goes up against.

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>>13969773
Are you retarded. Have you not seen the back seats of an frs? Im a manlet and i cant even fit in them comfortably.

>>13970830
>So you're saying people buy sports car mainly for looks?
No, even though I'm sure there's a significant number of people who do buy sports cars just for looks. I'm saying that when people are deciding between two similar cars, your average consumer ins't going to end up making their final decision on the basis of which car was slightly faster around a race track they've never even seen. If you're just using your cheap sports car as a fun daily driver and not for serious competitive racing, stuff like looks and "not being called a fag whenever I drive it" are going to matter more to you than reaching 60 mph 0.4 seconds faster than the competition.

I see just as many Mustangs on the road as I do Camaros even though one of those cars must objectively perform better than the other. So why would anyone buy the worse performing of the two? Maybe because they just like the looks of it better and don't really give a shit about performance figures that don't mean anything in everyday driving. That doesn't make them a ricer, it just means they aren't being a tryhard benchracer.

FWIW I think the Miata is the better performing car and doesn't deserve the stupid "gay" stigma around it, but "WHY WOULD ANYONE BUY CAR X WHEN CAR Y IS FASTER" is a dumb question to ask.

>>13970957
https://youtu.be/lixN_oVZ8NE

>>13969715
>not waiting a year or two for the Fiat 124 Abarth
>implying you don't want it
>implying that there isn't a possibility that they'll put out a hard top
>implying Tony will not in fact fix it again

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>>13971048
I did a ~30 day test drive on a brz before getting my mx5

The brz wasnt as fun to drive, visibility was shit and the seats were bad

I love my faggy convertible

>>13969715
Q. What's the point of this thread?
A. Trolling
0ver 50 replies. It worked.

>>13969715
>imagine wasting $25,000 on a car that's slower than minivans and 4cyl Mustangs because you think it looks like a cool car
>imagine a big fat dick in your mouth

These are the same feelings

Toyobaru fags should just kill themselves

Why does the FR-S get more hate on her, while the BRZ is treated much better even though they were both jointly designed together, and are basically the same car with only slight variations between them?

>Tune FR-S for E85
>200+whp with no bolt-ons
>Save environment and better Power to Weight than a shitstang

Ecoshit Mustang owners BTFO

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>>13969715
hey guys, glad to be in the shitposting thread, how's everyone doing?

>>13971182
>I made things up because I couldn't afford the payments on a new BRZ

>>13971248
>get ecoboost shitstang to run E85
>blow this guy's asshole out

>>13970459
sassy bitch vs naive qt

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>>13969767
>not running 82 psi on that

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>>13971220
Because the FRS is a Scion.

That's why so many people put Toyota badges on them. I don't really mind the scion badge though. My car is basically a Brz on the inside and out anyways. Plus, it is more prone to oversteer.

Win-win.

>>13971279
>Just gotta replace the fuel lines, pump, fuel filter, fuel injectors, and run more boost

FR-S can run it bone stock.

>>13971353
10% it can.

>>13971368
http://www.delicioustuning.com/Stock_BRZ_FRS_86_Breaks_200whp

>>13971353
The fuck are you talking about?

The EB can run E85 no problem with just a tune

>>13971388
I wonder how long that's gonna last.

>>13971393
It still needs larger injectors

>>13971401
As long as the tanks full

>>13971182
That is a car screams ill suck your cock and then do your gf's hair after.

2/10 would rather drive a 95 corolla

>>13971401
Not realizing nyugens daily frs turbo is making just under 300whp and already has 20k boosted miles problem free. For the low low price of 10k less than your nd dicksucker

Why not just buy a WRX instead of a Miata or 86/FRS/BRZ?

>>13971427
Who gives a fuck. I wonder how long it's going to last using pure corn liquor.

>>13971535
I've seen quite a bit that are up to 20k+ miles with E85. It's not an impossible feat for a direct inject engine with such a high compression ratio.

>>13971561
Stock? I suppose I could see that, but at 20,000mi trouble has got to be just around the corner.

>>13969730
thats not a fair comparison, i don't get some of you idiots think its justafiable to compared 197hp vs 310hp and argue how shitty the car with less hp is. Of course its slower everywhere since its over 100hp down compared to the other car.

You're acting like immature idiots who don't and can't enjoy anything.

The FRS/GT86/BRZ is just a nice little car to drive, its fun to drive and thrilling for any enthusiast, sure there's no turbo/boost/torque but on any twisty road it's just a pleasure to drive.
Just look at the AE86 and the same generation Mustang which is total shit while the AE86 besides being a ricer car is still fun to drive.

On the long run, in years time power does not matter, cars are getting more and more involving to drive and the NC MX5 and 86 are probably the final cars that were made for pure driver enjoyment.

>>13971513

Too pigfat
Too hard to drift in the dry
Have to replace all 4 tires because AWD
If used it WILL have the shit driven out of it.

>>13969715
God fuck not everyone wants a miata alright?

>>13971189
It always works without fail... Too many people in this hobby are fucking retarded even irl.

>>13972081

This is why Evo's in good condition will be VERY expensive in the next few years....no more new ones being made and all the drift kiddies will be trashing the existing ones

>>13971216
>Imagine something you like

>Fucking faggots, they will never learn to buy the faster car.


I don't even find the BRZ in it's current form as a sensible decision.

>>13972383

This, why buy a sporty car if it's some pigfat 4 cyl shitbox? And I actually like the Miata.

The BRZ should've been sold with a turbo at the very least. Buyers shouldn't have to resort to aftermarket to get the power that should've come with the car in the first place.

Would Toyota ever make it a convertible? It'd be even worse but if they're not doing an mr2, there's like no Toyota convertibles except that Solara or whatever it's called.

Inb4 ruined

Yes, it would be, I don't want it, I just wonder if it would encourage secretary purchases. The more sub groups the more likely we are too get a turbo rice trim.

Toyota is all about business sense, even if it betrays 86.

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For a similar price point I'd rather get a focus rs.

>>13971343
Is it? I thought they drove exactly the same. The woob keeps value because normies don't like scion.

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>>13969715
For a similar price id rather get a focus st. Even tho its fwd and I've only ever driven rwd and 4x4s I wouldn't mind it especially because it snows here.

>>13972390
>turbo
The point of the car is to be good blank slate for mods, so no.

>>13972502
this.

never buy production turbos.

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>>13972474
Lol, the RS is 10k more, not including taxes and mark ups.

>>13972477
Originally the suspension on the 86/frs was prone to oversteer and the BRZ was meant to be more neutral. Starting in 2015 Toyota made the suspension almost identical to the BRZ. Too many wannabe Takumis ran into guardrails.

>>13972481
The focus ST is nice. I prefer the low seating position of the 86 though.

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>>13971897
Here's a focus that costs 1k dollars less.

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>>13971189
I don't see how this still gets replies either.

>>13972782

>Miata
>150hp
>1/4 mile: 6.0

>FRS
>200hp
>1/4 mile: 6.4

here you go bruh

>>13972819

i'd still go for the GT86 tho, it's just that i like the car more the looks, sound, handling and reliability, the chassis was made especially for this car, while even 'the legendary focus handling' doesn't take away the fact that it's a multipurpose car that being helped by a turbo.

nevertheless it's a good comparison and it depends on the buyer and what he/she wants.

>>13972725
is this a site or are you manually making them?

>>13972819
>6 second 1/4 miles
Fuck I wish cars were that fast.

miata is gay af and ugly tho

BRZ is a lot better

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>>13973020
this whole thread is bait you homosexual

>tfw genuinely don't know which one I'd get
both are good for contrasting reason

miata
>converts so it'd be funner on the back roads in the summer
>faster and lighter
>cheaper to work on because not a meme engine

gt86
>not convertible so probably will last longer and more mechanically sound (convertibles scare me, I don't want an angry teenager with a pocket knife to be able to cut my roof open)
>back seats so you could carry 4 people if you really had to

desu I think I'd rather wrx over both

Just turned 19, just bought a manual FRS. Love it so far. Did I fucked up o?

>>13973039
You only fucked up by getting it at such a young age unless you have rich parents. Your APR is probably raping your wallet.

>>13973050
I qualified with the lowest available rate. Had a cosigner. I'm paying for the car.

>>13973073
You did ok then I guess, personally I'm still driving $3000 cars and paying for my education instead.

>>13973076
I'm selling cars full time myself actually hahaha

People will defend these cars till they die. Car is overpriced, and it should of been turbo'd from the factory. I don't really understand its place. Would rather just get the wrx

>>13973091
thats because you like soulless shitboxes

>>13973122
Sorry you spent 30k on an actual shitbox

>>13969715
200hp is pathetic?

>>13973153
Yeah my bus has 300 hp

Why did anybody buy and original trueno when you had the Camaro Iroc HEUHEUHEUHEU

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>>13969715
SO
ARE YOU ASKING ME TO IMAGINE A HONDA PRELUDE?

>>13973156
Shit. My roadmaster only has 260 :(

>>13973153
for a toybaru it is

>>13970261
Cause you live somewhere southern you fuckin idiot.

In Canada and Northern states brand new cars start to rust after 5/10years unless you do rustproofing/garage the car 90% of the time

>>13973150
sorry you like economy sedans that are the definition of shitbox

>>13973197

hahahahah losers
is that why you fags own more than one car
fuck off wallstreet

>>13969743
>>13969742

>le ebin mx5 drivers are gay meme

>>13973150
>FR-S
>30k

In a world where one autist can price cars with the first number that comes to mind, maybe.

>>13973202
Literally defending a N/A 4 cylinder, I bet you think the eg hatch is swag

>>13973214
it is though

>>13973214
youre a monster guzzling swagfag lel you cant talk too much

EGs are boss and would smoke those econoshits you like

>>13973214
Still better hp/l than most cars.

>>13973222
Actually drive a SL 550, I think all your 4 cylinder hot hatches are hot garbage

>>13973234
Im sure you do

if youre going to lie you could be more tasteful in car choice

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>>13973239

What if i told you the miata is an unrefined, pitifully slow, sloppy handling piece of shit that driven daily will cause you to hate life.

The brz is far better built and as a daily driver that can do the occasional skid makes a lot of sense.

>>13973260
>What if i told you the miata is an unrefined, pitifully slow, sloppy handling piece of shit that driven daily will cause you to hate life.

I would call wrong

>>13973295
a fucking prelude handles better

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>>13973243
BTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>13973316
In a test made in 1998, when the Prelude just got a refresh. Preludes handle pretty good anyways. At least it has wishbones.

>>13973239
>>13973243
Get fukkin rekt

>>13973330
prelude is FF
FF
always
loses

>>13973243
My EG hatch could smoke that with a few simple mods.

>>13973243
HOLY SHIT where were you when the 4 cylinder defender got btfo

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5343629906.html

Why not buy a powerful german piece of art

>>13969715
its the 240sx of our time

they will be cheap and plentiful and almost all of them will be beat to shit in 20 years

>>13973295
I own a 1.8 na, I hate it, literally dread my daily commute.
They're nice on a sunny day on a tight road when you can rev the nuts off it, sitting in traffic or driving on the motorway it is horrendously unrefined and the handling IS overhyped, a decent modern shopping trolley would rape the mazda in any measurable way i can think of.

I'm not sure about the nc or nd models though.

>>13973376
but jalopnik said RWD is always better and the Miata is God's handling on wheels

>>13973385
Look guys, I spotted the Focus ST driver.

>>13973391

what

>>13973385
Lel
>top ten miatas that miata the best

>>13973460
are you trying to say
now hol up
is you tryin ta say
hol up
hol up
you tryin to say
that
hol up
you tryin ta shay
rwd cars
may not be
da bes?

>>13973212
Sad part is that he's only 3k off from a bare bones MSRP according to the toyota site

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>>13971897
>being surprised that /o/ doesn't actually like cars

>>13973681
>MSRP

Bare bones is $24k. Thanks for playing

Muh roof
Muh rear seats
Muh not wanting a miata, cause everyone has a miata
Muh showroom track day ready
Muh not fitting in a miata

I have no interest in either of these and I can still think of a few reasons.

>>13969715
2758 heavy?
>autisitc

>>13974219
its lighter than my 90s honda...

>>13969715
>What's the point of an overgrown Miata if it's not even faster?
But it destroys the ND club by 2.2 seconds a lap around VIR.

I've had my BRZ for about two years, and I still love it. No regrets.

The back seats are tight, but quite bearable. I've had 6+ foot people back there with no complaints.

>>13971897
I disagree. However. If you want to buy a car and improve it during its lifespan, the frs/brz/gt86 is a very good option.

Imagine an frs with big meaty tires and this kit
http://store.kraftwerksusa.com/supercharger-systems/sport-compact/kraftwerks-brz-frs-ft86-supercharger-system-w-ecutek-black-edition.html

also related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxPptepNZjk

>>13972992
Fucking this

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>>13969715
I kind of agree with you OP. However, the FRS/BRZ are more practical than a miata. They are a bit bigger, bigger trunk, "four seats," and in my opinion, don't look like girl cars. They are more college oriented. I do think they should have an extra 30-50 hp, but if you drive it right (in the high rpm) you really won't complain. If you didn't know this, then you shouldn't be speaking.

I also like what they represent. A push to get back to the light weight, enthusiast oriented entry level track car. They are fun to drive, cheap to own, and still fast when you consider them being stock.

>>13969730
A 100+ hp difference doesn't justify ONLY a 4 second difference on Willow. Minor bolt ons would put them pretty even. But you are also not pricing similar classes so we may as well be comparing Prius to Monster Trucks here.

>inb4 "I detect a FRS/BRZ owner"
nope.gif

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>>13972992
>>13975070
>they can't even fucking google shit

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>>13969715
>What's the point of an overgrown Miata if it's not even faster?
>What's with the puny engine and the pathetic horsepower?

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>>13971897
Sorry, but the miata, sfr, and the new 124 are a lot more like the AE86 then the GT86, despite the name.

>>13978121
than*

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>>13969715

>>13977958
>very little in the way of relevant performance data, just a bunch of meaningless numbers like a random lap time and top speed

Everyone who's driven the new miat says its better

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>>13971254
doesn't make more torque / horsepower than the BRZ until past 6.2k RPM, wins out because of its revvingness. Sure top end power is important in that race, but the BRZ has it's own distinct advantages with its engine, especially with the lower COG.

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>>13973212
>what are taxes
>what are fees
>what are options

If you guys think you're mad now, imagine someone dropping $45,000 on an optioned out, automatic FRS

>>13980514
Imagine how much that Miata will cost then

>>13969715
If you aren't a cock smoker and actually take engines out and rebuild them you'd see that the slowbaru has far more out of the box then a miata they are both cheap RWD cars that you can buy outright and do what ever the fuck you want with however the boxer engine is a much better proven platform with a metric fuck ton of information on anything you could possibly want to do with it. By the by is Mazda paying you? or do you guys to this type of shit for free

Still wouldn't buy either I'll stick to V10,V8 and I6

>>13980877
Fully optioned MX-5 GT comes to $46,810 with taxes and fees

>>13971182
This visibility in a brz/86 is terrible

>>13972819
I think your mistaking 0-100 times with 1/4 mile times

>>13981123
Why not just buy a used M3 at that point? It's faster, more spacious, and makes you look like a supreme gentleman

>>13981002
>rebuilding an engine on a new car
>being this keked

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>>13981002
>slowbaru has far more out of the box then a miata

The only thing it has far more of than the miata is weight.

How much is toyobaru paying you?

>>13970870
>the difference is that you're willing to look gay in a sports car mainly becuase of the way it drives, which is just as bad as driving a car for the way it looks regardless of the way it drives.
Can't believe I'm reading this shit on an automotive enthusiasts board.

SO MANY FUCKING BENCHRACERS IN THIS THREAD WHO HAVE NEVER DRIVEN A BRZ/FRS AND ARE DEFENDING IT

HOLY SHIT JUST LEAVE /O/ FOR CHRISTS SAKE


You miatafags are just as bad, honestly just because your dick is small doesn't mean you have to bully slower cars to act like you own anything more than a slow as fuck rusting shitbox

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>>13981731
>automotive enthusiasts board

You mean automotive hate board right?

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>>13969715
Imagine a 4C.
Your argument is irrelevant.

>>13973087
>I'm selling cars full time myself actually hahaha
that's a rather sad story, anon.

>>13973352
ohohoho lol.

An e36 costs less than all these and has better handling and acceleration. Lol.

It's obvious the style and look of BRZ/FRS is popular and there's already ideas of a BRZ STI being thrown around. Those of you who really think the BRZ/FRS looks that cool you had to buy one should have waited it out a few more years.

>>13981703
Why else would you buy that car if not to make it yours

>>13981714
keep talking shit bolt on faggot

>>13969715
>Imagine a slow, fat, heavy miata which handles and performs worse.
so a miata when you get in it. got it.