What is the ultimate anti-benchracing car? As in, a car that

>>13950641
any go-kart or motorcycle.

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>270hp audi engine
>faster than a ZR1

>>13950680
This, or basically any sub Ton kit car with decent suspension.

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The Nissan GT-R is faster than it has any right to be when you take into account it only has 500hp and weighs as much as an iceberg.

>>13950680
>kerb weight isn't a stat

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Featherweight bestweight.

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>>13950641
>As in, a car that performs beyond what would be expected of it from its raw, on-paper stats alone?
The Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbo.
Went above and beyond what anyone expected of it.

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>>13950680
>not posting the five-banger powered one

>>13950693
The GTR is benchracing personified

>>13950786
Gets thrashed by a FRS on prius tires.

>>13950786
People don't expect a car that weighs 2,000 lbs to do well?

>>13950714
Only legit answer in this whole thread.

AE-86, a shitbox on paper but can beat any car on the road

r-right?

>>13951197
>People don't expect a car that weighs 2,000 lbs to do well?
People don't expect a car that low on power to do well.
I think that's the general rule for benchracing: people mostly just look at a very superficial level (i.e. power and torque)

the fact that this thread exists and is getting responses is a testament to how shitty and bankrupt this board is

>>13951637
Only if you blast eurobeat.

>>13951640
And weight. I've heard so many benchracers say "OMG PIGFAT"

Which leads me to say:

Any car with a Supercharged Series II 3800.

Even the fucking fat cars like the Park Avenue and Lesabre can move with that power, plus that blower sound. If you cut away most of the shit weight, the sonofabitch can be made to corner okay for it's size and weight.

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The GNX. Even today when you tell people its REAL stats, they just call you a liar.

>>13951662
>>13950714
These.

>>13951662
True, but a lot of people know the Grand National and GNX as a sleeper.

Bring up a seemingly normal Regal and thats where the fun begins.

Oh shit, almost forgot the Hurst/Olds. Another one people forget about.

>>13951662
Make it a "normal" Regal T-type. Same car, just without the blackout appearance package. Nobody will know.

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>>13950641
pic related

>>13951687
People's first assumption is you'll be running a 307/350 olds, or a 350 sbc.

What gets em is that turbo spools.

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A Buick God Damn Roadmaster Friggin' Estate Wagon that's two years newer than mine.

>>13951708
You should put a 383 stroker in it.
:^)

>>13951697
Yeah, tell them it's not a V8 and then watch their face as you leave them in the dust.

>>13951708
ma nigga

>>13951723
Only thing also acceptable is a 455 BBB swap. 500+ ft lbs of torque.

Muh dick

>>13950714
Only the turbos, the ss/SC is alright but overall it's nothing special but the turbo cobalt is a phenomenal car

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>>13950641
Obviously marketed as a performance car with alright paper stats, but the amount of performance you get is what makes it special. You can run circles around cars that cost 4x as much at a track.

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>>13951753

Purists would hate hearing anything other than a 3800 in a Regal T-type.

That being said, I'd much rather see that in a Monte Carlo of the same generation.

>>13951708
Eh, their power balances their weight. My buddy had one for a couple years and got bored with it. Great car, but an lt1 in a 4500 lb package is not going to beat much nowadays

>>13951770
I would hate to take out a 3800T to put a
455 in it, but if it was one of the more common 307 platforms, then there's no question.

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>>13950641
I would vote for any of the AMG G Wagons. No one would ever expects them to feel sport because "muh fuck-huge SUV", but they are, and no one would ever expect them to actually be decent off-road because "muh soccer mom luxury car" but they are

>>13950680
> 2015
> Still manufacturing Lotus 7 copies.

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>>13951814
Not exactly copies, more like updates or evolutions.
Also,
>implying the Lotus 7 isn't one of the GOAT track toy designs

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>>13951826
I'd still rather have a Caterham.

>>13951826
>>13951838
I'd be happy with any of these things. I really want to own one(yes, you too Ariel), but I won't actively seek one out.

>>13951838
So would anyone with a brain, the Caterham is an actual track toy as they have a race class built around them. Cars like the Donkervoort make 0 sense to me, why buy a "track toy" that you can't race, and can only do open track days with?

>>13951680
>Oh shit, almost forgot the Hurst/Olds. Another one people forget about.
Who the hell forgets that? That H/O insignia and gold over white livery meant "I am going to fuck you and your shitbox sideways" since the late 60's.

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i'd say e36 328i or 328is
runs high 13s-14s 1/4miles with basic suspension mods
not something you would expect from a cheap n/a 193hp bimmer
also it gets muuch better with an inlet manifold swap, a remap and some weight reductions

>>13950641

any good looking classic car with a big engine

>>13951922
correction - you can expect mid to high 14s with a stock 328i and mid to high 13s with suspension mods and engine tweaks.

>>13951922
>runs high 13s-14s 1/4miles with basic suspension mods
Fucking Bullshit. They were a low to mid 15 second car. 14 seconds is about E36 M3 performance.
Still, 15 seconds for a mid nineties mid size sedan is still pretty quick.

>>13951922
It's a sporty looking German coupe that's slower than a V6 Camry, it could not be less related to this thread

>>13951966
the FRS runs high 14s to low 15s so...

>>13951964
with the inlet manifold swap, custom air filters, plugs and a remap you can get around 230-240hp out of the engine, and with some decent suspension mods and weight reduction you can beat the us spec M3 and get mid to high 13s easily.

>>13952008
So... what? You didn't complete your thought, you just ended it with some ellipses.

>>13952041
oh and i forgot to mention you would need a custom/m3 exhaust manifold

>>13952042
so it is decent for a cheap, unassuming, old german sedan/coupe

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Obviously this.

>>13951637
Only if the driver is any good and the opponent isn't. The need to keep up momentum is a real thing with them.

>>13952041
That's fine, but it's not netting that performance with the standard 200ish HP B28.

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>>13950641
Volvo 850

>>13952193
well mid to high 14s isnt too bad for a stock m52b28 either

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TL-S for its time was awesome, in 2006 13.6 quarter mile, outperformed everything but 335 on the track, and this is a 3500 lb FWD sohc v6

>>13952041
Maybe 200hp with those mods. You'd need the m3 cams to make anywhere near 230.

>>13950702
it looks like a toycar next to that american vomit truck

5th gen Civic
You know I'm right!

Amg gt-s

A pigfat rwd 3700 lbs mercedes with only about 500 hp has no right to pull 3.0s 0-60 and 11.2 1/4 mile times

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>hurrr muh fast
yeah nah

>>13951813
With the wheels, exhausts on it and the sound, its pretty obvious actually.

>>13950714
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>>13953503
Thing of beauty tho

>>13950728
Well, when you look at the stats on paper you don't expect it to be anywhere near as good as it is. Which is what OP was inferring

>nissan
>500 hp
>4000lbs
>was like $70k when it came out

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>>13951658
Making a car corner "okay" "for its size and weight" is like making a pig fly okay for a pig.

>>13953670
>laptimes

>>13950641
Bentley GT-3. Dam thing isn't supposed to be that fast, not at that kerb weight.
VW Golf GDI (and rebadges). Sure, it doesn't fully match a GTI, but you'd never know if you weren't at a track. Will run with a GTI in city traffic, despite lower power figures.
Volvo S60R is also surprisingly quick despite an 1800kg kerb weigth, and relatively low power for that amount of weight.
CVT equipped Honda Fit's are probably the faster car to 25MPH you can buy for anywhere under 25 grand.

In terms of disappointments, the Cayman GT-4 would be a good one. Porsche really outdid themselves on keeping it slower than a comparable 911, especially witht that rear end ratio.

>>13950702
Makes me wonder if the Autozam might actually fit in that GMC.

>>13953678
Still, made a pig fly.

>>13951838
I'd rather have a Donkervoort. Only car produced in this damn country that isn't a Mini (rubbish) or a Spyker (>implying).

>>13952838
m3 cams arent necessary. There is a local 328i with an intake manifold swap, custom air filters, a 68mm throttle body, ecu remap, lightened flywheel and he's making about 230hp and ~330nm.

>>13952273
this one is awesome

on another note: this

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>>13955500
now with picture

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Dodge Neon SRT 4

Apparently it was shorted like 25 or 30 hp on paper?

>>13952098
who the fuck here has the opportunity to see if a Nismo GTR is better than its made out to be?

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>1013kg
>3050cc triple carby inline six
>160BHP/256.5Nm of torque
>16 second quarter mile
And that is the stock standard stats in one of these cars lol.