Why do American cars need 600-700+ hp to beat other cars? I was

Because we do what we always do, in anything; Make up for a lack of quality with quantity. Same thing with our armed forces.

>>13948629

God damn that GT-R is fuck huge

RWD is hard to get good consistent launches, whereas a GT-R does all of the work for you aslong as you hold the gas pedal down. IRS RWD hi-po cars are even harder to get good consistent launches

>hurrr gt-r shitposting

launch mode or whatever the fuck does all of the work for you in the GT-R when it comes to drag racing. 60 ft advantages, launch advantages, and then dual clutch transmissions can shift faster. That's why OP, before autists fill this thread

The GT-R spanking the GT500 might be because of more advanced traction/launch control.
Plus the fact that it's FWD giving it insane grip.

>>13948641
>FWD
I know you meant Four Wheel Drive, but you're asking for it you double nigger

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>>13948629
>I'm not trolling, this is a legitimate question.

>>13948640
When I was watching I felt like the corvette was launching faster though, the gtr was behind it at the start that's why I'm confused.

>>13948634
this guy has it right

>>13948629
because dyno and brochure numbers mean so much

There was a hellcat there the other day and it kept running high 11s and low 12s. How is this possible?

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>>13948720

>People actually believed they could get the professional driver quarter mile times on the stock 285's

Honestly, it would take one hell of a driver for a hellcat to beat a ZL1 on the strip, much less keep pace with a GT500. ZL1 being much easier to hook with more meat/less power, and the GT500 having a god tier SRA that allows people to put down the power pretty easily.

>>13948634
You say that, but what Armed Forces are of higher quality than ours?

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This is the United States, horsepower is cheap.

>Why do American cars need 600-700+ hp to beat other cars?
We don't, go to your nearest drag strip (assuming you live near one) and you'll see people with 450 hp backyard projects running the GTR's low 11s all day.

People buy Corvettes because they like the manual transmission, the rwd, and the fact that its a Corvette.
People buy the GTR because of it's fast dual clutch transmission, it's AWD, and the fact that its a GTR.

Different cars for different tastes, a little friendly competition is always good but when it erupts into dickwaving you'll both get your asses handed to you buy either some random hillbilly or tuner.

>>13948629
Might be how they rate it...nowadays in america its developed horsepower....we used to rate at the flywheel. One reason why older musclecars tend to be lolfast compared to todays dd....

>>13948775
Not from what I've seen.

>>13948785
you haven't seen much then

>>13948797
You mean the cars that break 50% of the time?

>>13948785
you might just be watching videos that bias your opinion. I assume u enjoy watching videos of foreign cars busting stock american pigfat boxes...you will only see real performance with private car builds

>>13948819
Read the original post again please. It says modified corvettes and gt500s can't beat a stock gtr... Obviously private car builds are working.

They make up for shitty handling and poor suspensions/brakes with imaginary horsepower numbers.

>>13948832
The 2014 gt500 had over 650 hp stock

>>13948778
We still do faggot measuring hp at the crank is an exact number and at the wheels is not exactly what the engine makes trannys and rear ends steal horse power it always happens.
It's better to make 700 at the wheels then to make 700 at the crank because of its making 700 at the wheels everything that's going to reduce power is already accounted for

>>13948648
>four wheel drive
I believe you mean All wheel drive.

>>13948770
Off the top of my head, Australian, Canadian and British soldiers are generally better trained than ours. Don't get me wrong, we still have the most capable military in the world, but if we had one the same size as other nations, it'd be several places from the #1 spot.

>>13948899
Same thing.

>>13948775
>People buy Corvettes because they like the manual transmission, the rwd, and the fact that its a Corvette.

>manual

must be why most are auto

>>13948910
[Citation needed]

>>13948910
>>13948910
Training is subjective. American technology due to the massive funding of the military industrial complex gives them a huge edge over anyone else. There's a reason they are one of the only countries in the world to use drones, have reactive armor, first military to equip everyone with ceramic body armor, Have the most advanced air superiority fighter jet (f22), and they also have the largest navy in the world by far. They have more carriers than anyone else, which makes the US have superior power projection capabilities.

Stick to cars, faggot.

>>13948918
It's not.

>>13948629
>>13948653
A GT-R can apply 100% of it's power 100% of the time
A GT500 or Corvette cannot.

>>13948640
It's not like the old ones were small either

>>13948808
that's what dragracing is about, isnt' it?
get the most out for a day at the strip, tow it back and come back when it's all fixed

>>13948720
That's standard for factory tires. Drag tires put it in the 10s.

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>>13948640
>implying vette drivers or any dragfag has skill and doesnt just mash the throttle

>>13949015
If a gtr applies all that power at launch the wrecks the trans.
If you read the gtr's warranty they void it if you use launch mode.

>>13949050
Educate yourself please

>>13949050
Actually that not true for post 2011 models.

>>13949045

>Says it would take a good driver to get a hi-po RWD car down the strip in a fast time

Cognitive thought is a tradable commodity these days

>>13948841
>poor suspensions/brakes

DSSV dampers and carbon ceramic brakes on my shitty American car.

>>13948918
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-wheel_drive

Not according to Wikipedia

>>13948775
So, you're either new here or have been around long enough to be jaded into rational thought. Good on you, and I like you.
But I hate to disagree with the "buying a corvette because of manual, etc."
Most people buy it as a status symbol and that is about all it ever does.

>>13949002
>American technology

>>13948629

Here is your reply, OP.

>>13949012
Yea, it is.
>>13949126
Great.

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>>13948634
>american armed forces

holy kek

>>13949002

>>aircraft carriers

Lol, pigfat can't turn nuclear pushrod machines.

>>13949045
>>13949090

WTF is wheelspin!?

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>>13948648

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>american aircraft carriers are the mightiest in the world!
>withdrew from the persian golf because russia started bombing syria with 40 year old sovietshit
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/10/16/us-aircraft-carriers-withdrawn-from-persian-gulf/

>>13949697
>trollmart,blogspot,com
okay, buddy

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>>13949716
#rekt m8, you sure told us

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>>13949701

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>>13949716
The Russians are using some Tu-22s to bomb Syria. The Tu-22 is able to carry the Kh-22 missle which is, according to wikipedia, "intended for use against US Navy aircraft carriers and carrier battle groups"

It isnt a bad idea to move the carriers out of the area because of the threat that the Tu-22 and the Kh-22 hold.

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>>13949762
>americans will invade defenlsess arab countries for saudi and israeli interests
>but wont actually help fight ISIS and fear the bankrupt nation that actually is

>>13948910

you kidding right? I have deployed with all of them and the only ones who are not a joke are the brits and even yet they dont come even close to us

>>13948640
>GTR is fuck huge

Or ya know, it's fucking closer to the camera than the Corvette.

Awd vs rwd you fuking mong. Any entry level enthusiast knows this

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>>13949002
>the most advanced air superiority fighter jet (f22)

I bet your reponse will be something in the lines of >hurr made by drunk slavs its shit. Ignorance is bliss.

>>13948629
It's basically
>muh heritage
We have always made obnoxiously big V8s
Ford was like "eyy dis is stoopid les make a fast v6 race vroom car" and then the 2016 gt reboot was born

>>13950602
>>>k

>>13948918
STFU kid, the adults are talking.

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>>13950421
No its just xbox hueg

>>13948629
>not knowing the advantage of AWD over RWD.
What are you, 12?

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>>13949666
So how many stealth destroyers does your country have?

>>13950817
Also, how many railguns do you have?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6sAUHwTP4A

>>13949716
>http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/10/16/us-aircraft-carriers-withdrawn-from-persian-gulf/
so umm... is there a reason why the article is just a couple sentences?

>>13948910
You're full of shit.

The U.S. has among the highest trained military in the world. Only certain units of say the Aus. or British military (SAS) are arguably "better trained" than certain SF units of the U.S. military. But as a whole the entirety of the U.S. military has higher quality training, more money to spend on concurrent training, and more experience in open conflict.

There is not a nation in the world that could compete with the U.S. on an asset per asset basis in open conventional conflict. This is primarily because our air power and our Naval power is the best in the world full stop, and our land power is easily among the best in the world.

Stop talking out of your ass eurocuk

>>13949045
Yeah you are right mang, i could totally do this.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJTZDr-N94Q
No skill involved there, just mash the throttle.

American army is quantity over quality, and they still get their asses handed to them by sand nigger and gook kids who haven't held a gun for more than ten hours

>>13950602
Protip: The Pak-FA is not as capable as the F-22

Also, Russia does not have the resources to field the Pak-FA in the same numbers as the U.S. fields F-22's and Russia can hardly afford air time in their fleet of SU-27's and Mig-29's to have anywhere near the kind of capable, trained, and experienced pilots as the U.S. And this issue is only going to exacerbated with a bird with higher maintenance and flight costs like the Pak-FA

Literally no one can compete with U.S. airpower on any level.
Literally no one can compete with U.S. Naval power on any level.

Hell, if you want proof, the U.S. funds horrible programs and just keeps throwing billions at them until they become good (LCS, F-35). No other country could dream of that kind of financial irresponsibility with their military other than the U.S. The U.S. simply has the financial means and the political fortitude to build the most capable military in the history of the earth. Literally no other country on the planet has the same drive for military superiority or the ability to attain it.

Get butthurt and troll all you want about all the problems the U.S. has. The fact is the U.S. is untouchable from a military standpoint by any single country and by any realistic combination of countries.

In fact, it's likely that your shit-tier mudcountry doesn't have a military of any significant note because your pussy-pants shithole relies significantly on the military might and altruism of the United States should it ever get in trouble.

>>13951119
This is true to be quite honest, thats why America has been getting Australia to teach them how to kill asians and brown people in every war since ww2.

>>13951137
> big tough MAHREENS come to Australia to train
> go to local pubs thinking they are hard cunts
> get bashed by lanky shit piss heads all the time
It's top kek

>>13950850
because there is a link to a bigger article down below

>>13949801
>He doesn't realize the U.S. is actually funding and arming ISIS
>He doesn't realize Syria is a proxy war for American interests in the region against Russian influence.

ISIS exists because we allow them to exist. We fund them and arm them under the guise of "preventing atrocities" by the Assad regime but really we just want to dispose a Russian friendly dictator to institute another U.S. puppet government.

I was asking about cars and now I'm a military expert.

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>>13950602
>RUSSIAN PLANES STRONG, BEST PLANES IN WORLD
>get shot down by Turkish F-16s

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>>13951163
>we will conquer the middle east and impose our own dictators!!
>withdraw their aricraft carriers the moment russkies start bombing ISIS with outdated bombers

>>13951163
This its cold war foreign relations all over again.

And if the occasional Isis attack on the homeland gets through its just gives the gov't more leverage to spy on its own people.

>>13951187
t*rk diaspora detected

>>13951190
Open conflict with Russia isn't on anyone's agenda.
Putting some of your biggest military assets within pot-shot range of Russian anti-carrier cruise missiles is not good military strategy.

Additionally the U.S. doesn't have a true full scale air campaign anywhere in the middle east that would require a heavy carrier presence in the Gulf in light of the aforementioned risks to the carriers.

I'm sorry you don't understand military strategy and think it is akin to school yard posturing with multi-billion dollar assets for no real gain.

>>13951196
lol

Hitler did nothing wrong and Turkey is a shithole. I pointed the recent incident out because it's an example of how not good Russian aircraft are.

>>13951220
Russian aircraft are actually pretty decent.

The reality is Russian pilots are absolute shit. The only airtime they get is when their jets are fueled of for an actual sortie due to budget constraints.

>>13951158
that leads to this?
http://thesaker.is/u-s-carrier-strike-groups-locations-map-oct-16-2015/
it's still only one paragraph, that apparently hasn't been proof read either

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>>13951218
I'm sorry you have to label america's military cowardice with "military strategy"

the US doesnt want open conflict with russia, china or any other nuclear power because they know they will get their shit slapped, rightfully so

Instead they have to cowardly invade defenseless countries using false flag attacks as an excuse

>>13948648
>double nigger

been a while, family

>>13951275
the only real opponent america has is china, but even then they dont have the capacity to transport large amounts of troops/equipment across oceans without a navy that comes close to the size of america's

>>13948910
>Australian, Canadian and British soldiers

I sure as fuck hope you are talking about infantry. No goddamn Ausnuckbonger pilot has shit on US. Same with submariners and missile command types.

>>13951295
>troops
>2015

ballistic missiles exist

>>13951302
yes they do, but you will still need a combination of ground troops, air superiority, and mass transportation to have a chance against a country like america

>>13951317
if such thing were true, america would have already waged a war againts russia or china

but they havent, because they know thy will get destroyed so they decide to fund rebels like ISIS, or Afghan Al Qaeda

>>13951333
no, its because if one of those countries were to attack the other, it would crush the worlds economy and would eliminate a huge trade partner for the winner, and the rest of the world

>>13951333
The USA naval force alone could easily destroy any country on earth...you are retarded...and paranoid

ITT:

>US Armed Forces are the best
>every other 1st-world military can beat the US military in a one-on-one brawl
>the US not declaring war on everything else that moves is a sign of cowardice
>Russian jets a shit
>American cars might make more HP for reasons, then again they might not, after all nobody knows because this thread derailed faster than a train operated by Amtrak

>>13951275
>I'm sorry you have to label america's military cowardice with "military strategy"
Once again, you simply don't understand military strategy.

>the US doesnt want open conflict with russia, china or any other nuclear power
No nuclear power wants open conflict with any other nuclear power, retard.

>they will get their shit slapped
Both Russia and the U.S. would get their shit mutually slapped in an open conflict tard. Hence why it is good military strategy to pull out of an area that could incite such conflict. This happens all the time on both sides.

>Instead they have to cowardly invade defenseless countries using false flag attacks as an excuse
Just like Russia in Ukraine and Georgia amirite?

your butthurt at American superiority is showing. kek

>>13948629
Because anyone that claims the car is over 600HP is already full of shit.

>Americans get their shit kicked by towelheads and gooks
>Chinese get their shit kicked by towelheads and gooks
>Russians get their shit kicked by towelheads and gooks
>British get their shit kicked by towelheads and gooks
>French get their shit kicked by towelheads and gooks

I'm noticing a pattern here

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>>13951910
>americab superioty
>cant beat some chinks in vietnam

kek

>>13950678
The gtr looks like a sick track weapon while the nsx in that picture are all stance fag out and only driven slowly on sundays.

>>13953028
>>cant beat some chinks in vietnam

The Vietcong to American kill ratio in the Vietnam War was something like 25 to 1.

The Vietnam War was lost on political grounds, not militarily in that we pulled out too soon and all the ground that we fought for was forfeit when we pulled out. The American military fucked the shit out of Vietnam.

You're an idiot.

>>13953513
This.

Even in Iraq the K:D of the U.S. military was better than 7:1. And that's with the fuckers hiding in civilian populations and relying on gorilla attacks and roadside bombs then running away.

>>13953028
We only 'lost' Vietnam because of political fears (and rightfully so) of what would happen if we just annihilated the country with bombs.

>>13948629
AWD always wins from a dig bro

>>13953731
Have you ever heard of drag radials?

Above a certain power threshold radials won't cut it and AWD starts having an advantage again, but that's when you graduate to semi-slicks and slicks then wadding/ripple walls like the big boys.

>>13949002
>one of the only countries in the world to use drones
nigger what? literally everyone has or uses drones these days. fuck Canada leased a bunch from of Israel of all places

>>13948953
That should be the rich housewives syndrome

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>>13953545
>gorilla

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>>13953777

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>>13953780
There was no joke.

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>>13953787
>>13953796

>being so new you don't know about gorilla warfare

Rip thread

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>>13953787
>>13953796
fucking newfags.

>>13953800

Oh we know (at least I do, can't speak for the other guy), but when used in an otherwise serious post like that it screams retard.

>>13953810

Welcome to 4chan, enjoy your first visit.

Now get the fuck out.

>>13953824
Stop acting like an oldfag you stooped fuck. You fucked up, just ignore it...like an oldfag would.

>>13953833
>intentionally make gorilla warfare reference
>newfag autists sperg about it just as you expected
>newfag tries to tell people how an oldfag would act

Welcome to 4chan.

Now get the fuck out.

>>13953846
>>newfag tries to tell people how an oldfag would act
Stop shit posting stoopidfag

>>13953851
Don't be upset that the first time your mom let you go on the internet you made a fool of yourself, newfag.

Now get the fuck out.

>>13950817
That's some nice Swedish/Norway tech you borrow there.

>>13950678

i hate when people post this pic saying the gtr is huge, kek it along side a bunch of fucking slamed nsx.

>>13954313
Yeah, in the showroom they are barely longer than the Z, and about the same width. They are still small cars.

>>13954495
>they are barely larger than this already large and pigfat car
>that somehow makes them not large and pigfat.

lol okay.

>>13948629
You saw a shit driver vs a computer.

Here you'll see a race on an non prepped st where a car with only 500whp walks a GTR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWfYJyBUl5o

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>>13954313
It is huge though and half of those are a stock ride height with aftermarket wheels.

>>13957401
>Z
>Pigfat

Are you retarded

>>13957542
He's right tho.

https://www.google.com/search?q=370z+curb+weight&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

>>13957542
I always assumed they were fuckhuge, but they only weight ~3200 lbs.
Neat.

>>13957569
3200 lbs is pigfat

>>13957564
That's pigfat if you're comparing it to cars with half the HP (Miata, Toybaru etc.) It's light as fuck for its class/competition

>>13957581
See
>>13957604


Also I drive a miata. Quiet, homeboy.

>>13957604
It's pretty light when compared to it's main competitors like the Genesis coupe, Mustang GT and Camaro SS. Though it really isn't like those cars, it's more in a class of it's own. If it gained a backseat I bet it would be a lot more popular, or at least had a 2+2 version like all the old ones had.

>>13957636
So its too heavy to turn like the miata/toyobaru but too underpowered to keep up with the likes of the camaro and mustang?

>>13957709
It's almost like there's a balance of power and handling instead of going all out on one and neglecting the other

>>13957542
>people call Camaros, Mustangs, and Corvettes pigfat all the time
>Mustangs weigh similar to the upper range of the Z, Camaros weight the same, and Corvettes actually weigh the same or less.
>somehow Z's aren't also pigfat

>>13957756
Except Camaros make more power and handle better.

>>13953513
> yeah and thats why its not called Asia- america
PLz pleb, america a shit

>>13957913
America can push the shit in of whatever mud country you live in, and all it's closest (non American) allies without even trying.

The rest of the world a shit, American military is GOAT.

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>>13948910
Fuck off, Steve

>>13957424
>gives a modded GTR two lengths and still walks him
>only 500hp

Sure buddy.

>American "Special" forces in action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNYLVmhrE1g

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>>13953566
>>13953513
>viernam was a military victory!

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>>13948910
>thinking this slack jawed sloppy faggot could even last a week in usmc bt

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>>13949716
come at me

>>13962641
>obviously green and fresh into boot.
>special forces kek

Everyone is like that in boot. No idea what they're doing, can't get their shit together, constant state of delirium.

That's what a caloric deficit, high physical activity, and being bombarded with commands and knowledge does to you.

Let me guess, you were never in the military.

>>13962650
>>viernam was a military victory!

Vietnam was a military victory, literally no one of any note disputes this. a 25 to 1 K:D and the fact that were were firebombing the country to hell is proof of this. If American politics hadn't pulled the military out and the VC been able to maintain resistance the country would still be nothing more than a glowing cinder.

>>13963203
Why don't Americans understand Sarcasm?

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>>13962866
>americans think they won WW2

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>>13963220
>we won!
>we won!