That's a nice undercarriage you have there, anon. It would

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Do not live in fail states.

>>13899775
>North Dakota
>Blank
What do they just leave the roads a sheet of ice?

>>13899817
They probably just plow like normal people.

>>13899775
>North Dakota
Remind me not to drive there

>>13899827
just remember frosty lives there

The modern cars are much better at not rusting with the new primer coats and alloy metals that are used. I would much rather drive on a salted road with traction than smash my car because of the state throwing some dirt on the ice and snow.

>>13899775
Since living in NC I have very rarely seen salt, and only in my previous apartment complex.

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>>13899775
>Implying cars in CA get corrosion

You must be new..
At life outside of the womb

>>13900847
They do, but that's more to do with the ocean than salt on the roads

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>>13900922
>They do, but that's more to do with the ocean than salt on the roads

Pic related, it's you

>>13900715
nope, ford garage i used to work at was totaling fiestas and modeos adter 3 years due to rust issues. and this is in england

>>13900847
>>13900952
different poster, but go to santa cruz.
rusty cars everywhere

>>13900715
Have you tried
-learning to drive
-getting winter tires
-not driving when there's snow

>>13899817
Nobody who lives there is stupid enough to drive around on icy roads with all seasons. They all have a set of chains or studded tires.

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>>13899824
>plow
>removing ice

>>13899775
That map is very misleading.

Roads are not salted by states. They are done by city/county.

>>13899775
Salting in California is unnecessary, since you're going to get hit by an asian anyway.

Fortunately my car came with sacrificial wheel arches, so the undercarriage remains fine.

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Ships have galvanic anodes on them with a more positive electrochemical potential than the main body which therefore rust first to keep the body from rusting as quickly. Why is no one putting galvanic anodes on cars?

>tfw New York where they put down more salt on the road than there is actual road

Kill me.

>>13902676
because the whole undercarriage would need to be under water for it to work properly

>>13902676
Air is a poor dielectric.

>>13902676
people have tried
this shit here
http://www.ruststop.net/ruststop-rs-5/

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would it be possible to surround your car completely in some kind of salt resistant membrane?

>>13902959
Yeah it's called a garage

>>13902676
Because there is no way to ground them.

>>13902959

Wax and oil undercoatings?

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Come at me brah.

Take note, that's the frame on my '96 4Runner, I'm in central Indiana. Thorough undercoating with Fluid Film is worth the effort.

>>13902999
Wow, that's effective.

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>>13902999

>Well, he never done this before. But seeing as it's special circumstances and all, he says I can knock a hundred dollars off that Trucoat.

>>13903050

Funny you mention that, the truck was actually Zie-barted when new, looks to be pretty sturdy stuff even 20 years after the initial application. I've just been spraying fluid film on top of that. The Fluid Film isn't as sturdy but it creeps really well as it is oil based. So it will saturate and creep into any areas that do have surface corrosion. Costs about $45 for a gallon if you want to thin it and spray it through a sprayer, this year I decided to just buy a six pack of the aerosol cans and a little wand that allows to spray inside of the frame. Messy smelly work but oh-so worth it.

>>13903071
Living in the desert is also worth it.

>>13899775
>>13900847
They salt the roads heavily when it snows in LA or SF.

>>13903089
they sand them, they dont salt them.
they only salt when there's ice and there's rarely if ever ice in LA or SF other than the mountains.

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>>13903089
>san fransico
>snow

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Meh, my undercarriage is shit, might as well finish it

>>13903147
jesus christ

>>13902972
Fucking lol, underrated post

>>13903089
Didn't even know it snowed in SF, let alone LA.

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accept no substitutes

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>>13899758
Don't EVER go to Quebec during the winter (or.. ever, really).

They use sand mixed with salt, and I guess they use French sand because it's full of terrible things like stones and small rocks.

Not only do you get some nice paint chips and window cracks, but the salt immediately gets into said paint chips and rusts on contact.

Pic related: any surface which can be hit by wheel-debris, will be hit by rocks and salt.

I can't believe that salting the road is even legal.

How is causing such widespread damage to property even allowed?

>>13903196
Ever driven after freezing rain before the trucks get out? Or when it's REALLY cold and the salt doesn't work?

Imagine the average driver on those roads. All the time.

I'd rather have my car start to rust after 8 years than start to roll over after 8 seconds by being crashed into by a mom in her ultra-safe AWD SUV because winters are hard.

>>13903089
>SF
>snow
Theres no snow anywhere near SF for 1+ hours.
The only time you do need to worry about rust is if you live in Daly City with its constant fog or between Half Moon Bay to Santa Cruz cause the ocean spray

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>>13899775
>Living in a state where it snows regularly
>Living in a state where it gets cold

kek

>>13903209
Fine drivers for not having the proper equipment.

>>13903253
Proper equipment such as...?

Defuck is proper equipment on ice? Studded tires ruin roads for the most part so are banned in many places. Winter tires help a lot, and are mandatory in some areas, but they don't make you stop on black ice.

I'm doubting that you've actually driven in such conditions.

>>13903262
>Studded tires ruin roads for the most part so are banned in many places.
Sucks for whatever country you live in. Only 2 states in the US ban studded tires and one of them is Alabama.
>I'm doubting that you've actually driven in such conditions.
I don't care what you doubt.

>>13899758
why are they putting salt on the road to begin with

>>13903240
Pretty much every state where it doesn't snow on there is a shithole full of retarded rednecks or a flyover state

>>13903268
Canada, your northern better (more than) half.

Ontario doesn't allow studded tires. To be honest I don't know why... Can't see how they would actually harm asphalt, but it's the law currently.

Studs make less traction in the dry, though. More expensive and loud as well. And ice is still ice, aka not as good as bare (or wet) asphalt regardless of what you have on your tires. Therefor salt > no salt from a safety standpoint.

We get more snow and ice than you do, and it shows. Went to NY for a visit during a "snowstorm" a few years ago. You autists just shoved the snow onto parked cars using garbage trucks, literally. Busses had chains on their tires even though there was zero ice. They were shovelling sidewalks with floor squeedgies. Shit was funny.

I realize there are states with harsher winters than NY, but on average, we know what we're doing and we salt our roads. Smarter people than us have had these discussions, and even with the environment becoming literally salted, this is the safest way.

>>13903285
Safest way for morons. Not driving is also an option. But this is why I moved to somewhere it doesn't snow. Not worth destroying my expensive car so retards can do whatever they feel like.

>>13902999
Hey senpai I'm in Fort Wayne. Getting ready to deal with the horrible shit we get every year

>>13903290
>safest way is for morons
The b8 is real.

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>>13903075

Yeah I'd love to take a trip in the 'Yota out west to see the sights, but not sure if I could handle living there. I like lush greenery too much.

>>13903301

My gf is from there, I drive up there at least once a month. I feel like you get more snow than Indy overall.

jokes on you, i've completely sealed my undercarriage in september.

>>13903285
>just shoved the snow onto parked cars
why the fuck do they do this

I moved from Canada to the US and left my car parked on the street in the first big snowstorm and had to more or less dig it out. In a subdivision with plenty of empty non-yard land to throw the snow on. But no, they just leave it on the fucking corners and curbs.

>>13903387
Welcome to the USA, the land of halfassing, thatlldo-ing and cheaping out.

>>13903409
I just assumed this was a NYC thing because they don't generally get enough snow to have it be an issue.

Do they also do stupid shit like this in places that should know better?

>>13903302
If you can't handle driving on anything less than wet tarmac, you're a moron.

>>13902959
Kek dialysis tubing

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>>13903154
It's even worse now that I tried to jack it up but instead the frame would just bend haha

>>13903600
Never noticed before, but is that WOOD?

>>13903334
There's plenty of lush greenery in California and Arizona.

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>>13903741
It's fuckin' fucked m8.

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>>13903761
It is.

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>>13902610
> salt
> removing ice
It only stops ice from building up

>>13903833
I seriously hope you don't reproduce.

>>13903514
I do love getting everywhere six times slower.

>>13903854
Me too, beats dying.

>>13903858
>I'm old, have time for everything, and don't want my classic car getting rusted
Spot the boomer?

>>13903850
you too

>>13900952
But he's right....

>>13903796
If you know anything about toyota then you know that these things run forever and my car is like brand new :^)

>>13903349
Shit fucking sucks and I just got home from driving somewhere, it's horrible outside. My tires on my car are bald and I won't have money for a new set for a few weeks. I'm pretty much ded

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>That's a nice undercarriage

Yeah, and its gonna stay that way

>>13899817
>just leave the roads a sheet of ice?
well, yes actually.

>>13904410
>buying snake oil

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>>13899775
Fuck I really need to move to Colorado.

>>13904447
WE'RE FULL.


Unless you love guns.

>>13903865
Spot the retard?

Hint: it's you.

>>13903833
Are you retarded?

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>>13902637
>his state does have a state DOT to effectively clear the roads

>>13904437

I have access to it for free, and it actually works quite well.

>>13903741

LMFAO

>>13904525
AHHHHHH
WAKFU!!!!!
AHHHHHH

>>13903272
do you know how to read a chart?

>>13904502
Are you?
Salt lowers the freezing point of water. It doesn't melt ice, it just stops more from building up.

>>13905552

you're a god damned idiot

stop posting pls

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>>13905552
>It doesn't melt ice
Yes it does.

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>>13899775
>tfw tech in New York

>>13899775

Sand is only so effective in combating ice. At some point, you simply have to use salt.

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>>13899758
>tfw Texas

>>13905655

no you don't retard.

In fact, salt just makes it easier for ice to re-form

>>13904525
Even then, they only do it on certain roads accross the states.

>>13903285
>Ontario doesn't allow studded tires. To be honest I don't know why... Can't see how they would actually harm asphalt, but it's the law currently.

Because Ontario only spends money on train transportation. It'd be a miracle if they actually fixed roads rather then spending the summer months sending road crews out to fill them in with shit that never truely hardens.

I'm driving a plow this winter and I'm going to salt the fuck out the roads.

>>13905704
I shot a plow driver last year. You could be this year's.

>>13905704
You are literally worse than Hitler.

>>13905671
I wanna live in Texas.

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At least the cars recycle themselves on salt

>>13905704

rot in hell

>>13900779
That map isnt entirely correct. SC uses brine during inclement weather.

Its not as if NC or SC get enough snow or ice to warrant using salt all winter long.

>>13905608
While he isn't entirely correct, he does have a point.

In almost every situation there's not enough salt to actually melt the ice, and what melt you do have dilutes and runs off once it does melt.

>>13901443
>snow for 6 months straight where i live
What now?

>>13904467
I love guns and subarus, can I come?

>>13902972

Exactly!

>>13903600
>>13903761

Mother fuckers so cheap he used spare keys as washers! What?

>very effective

>>13905686
They even wait until halfway through the summer. Then, being on government money, they take 4x as long to do anything as they should, and end up having to use special blends of shitty asphalt/concrete because it's getting cold again.

Best part is where they don't get it done in time, and you're left with a construction site until next summer.

>>13905608
>>13905619
Do you people even think about what you're vomiting out.
> Freezing point of water is 0 degrees Celsius
> Salt water has a lower freezing point than fresh water
> But the ice still has a freezing point of 0 degrees Celsius
> So how in the fuck does water that is colder than 0 degrees Celsius manage to melt ice
All ice does is prevent refreezing. It doesn't provide energy to melt the ice.

>>13907552
>All salt does is prevent refreezing. It doesn't provide energy to melt the ice.

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>>13907552
>> Salt water has a lower freezing point than fresh water
>> But the ice still has a freezing point of 0 degrees Celsius

>>13907122
>and subarus
Kek
We might be able to fit one more.

>>13903182
Ontario is the same but now you can also add beet juice to the list which will rape your vehicle far faster then salt

>>13904447
Enjoy your Syrian immigrants.

>>13907585
How is this difficult to understand. Salt can't melt ice, it's impossible. It's not providing energy, it's not undergoing some reaction. It's literally a filler.

>>13907959
Oh wait, I get it. The person I was replying to was being autistic.

>>13907966
>>13907959
No, you're just a retard that doesn't understand chemistry. The salt changes the amount of energy that water needs to remain frozen. Since it no longer has enough energy to remain frozen, it unfreezes.

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>>13907959
>it's not undergoing some reaction

>>13907959
Bro, lol.. I have an idea, and it's totally safe since salt is just a fillar

Go get an ice cube
Pour salt on top of the ice cube
Pick up the ice cube and press the salted side against your arm for about a minute

:3

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>>13907959
alright now youve pissed me off.

Salt lowers the freezing point of water, which is the same as the unfreezing point of water
if its -5 c you have ice
but if you have salty water with a freezing point of -10c it will stay water at that temp, if that water happens to be ice, then it will become water.
if you put salt on ice the ice melts a little on contact (this is why ice is slippery, its always covered with a fine layer of water)
that water becomes salty, and then the salt in the water interacts with the ice, and lowers the freezing point of the ice.
then, because the freezing point of that ice is lower than the temp, it melts, becoming more salty water
this continues till the salty water is diluted enough that its freezing point is the same as the surrounding temp

also, have you ever pored salt on your icy fornt walk, and heard it crackle, then looked back later to see the holes where the salt crystals bored through the ice?

Source 5th grade chemistry
Source: sophmore in engineering school

see pic for more detail

>>13907998
technically hes right,theres no molecular change happening, just a phase change.

>>13908055
>technically hes right,theres no molecular change happening, just a phase change.
Which is a physical reaction.

>>13907408
i thought it was to draw the rust

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>>13908061
>physical reaction
thats not a thing, sorry buddy

the term youre looking for is physical change.

>>13908069
>draw the rust
First off, what the fuck does that even mean? Secondly, how is something that doesn't rust going to draw rust?

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rust behind my taillights before bedliner,and after wire brushing and rust converter

damn the north east

>>13908094
he means like a boat that has sacraficial slugs, like this
>>13902676
but it doesnt work like that anyway

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>>13908111
rust on frame in same situation.
rust converter is like magic, it turns rust into a black metal through a chemical reaction.

>>13907488

I like it when the specifically start something during the time of year we normally get snow. They're replacing a drainage pipe near me and its supposed to be done by Dec 15. Like fuck. They have to tear up parts of the road to do this, and its already too cold for asphalt anyway.

>>13902637
100% this. The county my parents live in (150mi away from my uni) uses a sand mixture with no salt but my county uses a ton of salt.

>>13907645
I guess it's on a municipal basis so YMMV, but I've only ever seen sand being used on dirt roads in Ontario.

I got a used car from a Quebec owner. He used it as a commuter to Ottawa for work, but from somewhere in Gatineau. Front bumper is nearly unpainted from all the sandblasting.