Miata killer? http://www.fiatpress.com/press/arti cle/117404

>>13887867
Anything is a Miata killer. Even the toyobaru is faster around a track than it.

>>13887881
I'm just saying in the sense of sport convertibles

they better not get retarded with the MSRP

even with a turbo engine there's no reason it should be $1-1.5k more than the equivalent MX-5

>>13887867
You do realize that's a Miata with a body kit

right?

>>13887893
Fair enough. Anyway it should be slightly faster and much less ugly and girly than the Miata, which is perfect.

>>13887902
This

>>13887902
With a turbo, it will likely be shy of $3000 more.

>>13887903
That's fine by me so long as it's faster. Personally I think it looks better. Do you think it will retain Mazda reliability or gain terrifying FCA gremlins?

Day one purchase. Not even kidding.

>>13887867
>Miata killer
>literally a fatter miata with worse styling

Its power to weight is actually worse than the Miata due to its added weight. The gearing is also longer, though the added torque may offset that. It probably wont accelerate any faster is the point. The dimensions are worse too, it is taller and has an extra 5 inches of overhang, mostly in the rear. This is too give it a bigger trunk. To me this shows this will be softer than the Miata as well, focusing on comfort. My next concern is the weight, primarily where it is. The only places it could be is the extra overhang and engine. Either way not good, preferable its on the engine.

The styling is polarizing, but no more than the Miata. I think they would both look far better with swapped hedalights. The Miata has a very happy face and smooth curves, but angry eyes. The Fiata had agrresive lines and face, but they gave it round headlights. Both cars look conflicting. Someone should make a shoop with swapped eyes.

On the plus side, its got a turbo. If the car isvat a similar price as the Miata, Im sure that will win a lot of people over. After a tune it should make a lot more power than the Miata. If only the Miata had a turbo version. Maybe Fiat will help Mazda with a turbo engine for a Mazdaspeed Miata. However, Mazda is making its own line of turbo engines next year so maybe it is unneeded. If the Miata had a turbo, made ~200hp from the factory and cost 32k with the club package it would be near perfect. This thing will be good, but I wouldnt call it a Miata beater yet.

Looks like a retard child of fiat 500 and miata. I think this look will age.

>>3887881
Faster around a track means nothing with these cars. The two cars take very different approachs to handling, appealing to different driving styles. The Miata uses a lot of body roll to gain extra grip, while the FRS encourages breaking out the rear to maintain speed through a corner. Depending on road conditions, driving style and the track one way may be faster than the other.

I'd buy one to experience those exclusive and passionate Alpha Romero problems that Miata owners will be cheated out of. Plus the badge, which will make secretaries and nurses panties drop.

>>13888231

...does the latter not outweigh the former?

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>>13888231
>fiat
>an impressive badge to women

i actually really dig the front end and headlights, not as angry as it could have been

the abarth version will be the one to watch out for though

>>13887903
Different sized cars brah

>>13887881
>>13887924
>>13887893
>>13887902


I don't think I would've of realized how much of /o/ is composed of hack fraud benchracers without these posts.
wow i feel like i woke up a little bit

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>>13887867
Yawn

I actually like this thing; I'd get one as a DD.
Reminds me of the fairlady Z (which a thread is already in catalog about) and it's a nifty little thing. I like the styling over the current gen miata, which reminds me of the marionette from Five Nights at Freddy's.

I don't care if it's unimpressive or I'm a faggot for it; I'd totally buy one for my first car, and it's the prettiest vehicle I've seen for that price tag.

A more powerful Miata is exactly what the world needs.

>only 5hp more than the NA miata
really?

>>13888768
It has a lot more torque and it's only a tune away from 200hp.

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>>13888617
>different size

It's a little longer, but the construction is the same.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1506-miata-based-fiat-124-spider-spied-testing-with-production-body/

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>>13887867
We have one of those already.

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>>13887867
>neo 124
Yessssssssssss

>>13890332
hahahahah, whats fucking hilarious is that I know you're serious.

The frs is slow piece of shit with prius tires that will get beat by minivans in the straights, no amount of benchracing will ever change that fact

>>13887902
>>13887924
>>13887926
>muh italian soul
it's easily going to be around $30k starting

>>13890350
>neo
should have made it fwd

>>13890373
You know I meant the spider

Maybe, if it ever runs.

If you're going to get one, at least wait 1 year so the bugs might possibly be worked out.

>>13890361
Aww are we jealous?

>>13887867
ugly MINI

>>13887867
>Only 16 lbs lighter than the 2.0 ND
>15 hp less than the ND's already weak af engine
>"iconic Italian design"
>Looks like an ND and a MINI had a retarded child with both front and rear ends flattened so the car more resembles a bar of soap
WELP. Glad I didn't have faith in them to begin with.

>>13890332
>Storage and passenger space as two relevant factors in a sports car
Can you try any harder than that? Don't forget to give two more points to the ND for better braking distance and turning radius. Oh yeah, another two points for getting better city/highway fuel economy, too.
>Transmition
Are you 10?

>>13890332
That is a really dumb comparison, and biased

>>13891208
What would you like to add to make it less biased?

>>13890898
> City and highway fuel economy relevant in a sports car.

What sort of try hard are you?

>>13887881
>toyobaru
>faster than the Miata
Are you fucking kidding me the Miata is faster both around a track and in a straight line, mostly because the Toyobaru uses fucking Prius tires.

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>>13890332
100 hours in MS paint and I removed everything irrelevant in a sports car for you.

Will still buthurt the hairdressers.

Well at least it looks 200% nicer than any Miata.

>>13887926
>>13890370
Luckily no one is going to buy the thing so in two years you'll be able to grab a new 2016 that's been sitting on the lot.

I've seen 1-2 year old $28000 500s new and discounted to 19000-20000

>>13891229
Its dumb because
>cargo space
>torque, which the Miata has a better ratio
>price, which is maxed out for both of them
>lap time, which tied but they gave it to the FRS
>

>>13891233
>Can't detect sarcasm

>>13891264
odd because the FRS is faster if you look at the C&D website:

3:18.6 Vs the Miata's 3:20.8

>>13887928
The engine is 100% FCA

>>13891238

Not him and I'm not too adept with bench racing but how would anyone even remotely be swayed by stock tire choice when looking for a new car or even comparing? Would it be nice if they had top dollar tires? Of course. Do I ever expect that? Absolutely not.

I'm much more inclined to decide based on things that will not change after a few thousand miles of spirited driving.

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>>13891264
>>lap time, which tied but they gave it to the FRS

Thanks for pointing out the typo, here is the corrected version to piss off the retards even more.

>>13890332
I doubt it takes em half a minute to go 120kmph

>>13891278
This is my biggest concern. Combined with extra weight, worse dimensions and worse looks imo I would hold out for a Turbo Mazda version. Mazda is supposed to be announcing a new line of turbo engines for the new CX9 at the LA show. Hopefully that means a new turbo Miata

>>13891292
We don't use your stupid units here it's MPH or fuck off. Also do you honestly think even the Miata can only do 80mph?

>>13891298
The only metric we use is 9mm.

>>13891298

>We don't use stupid units
>Use MPH

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>>13891249
they have exactly the same laptime, why is that a win for the gt?

>>13891322
Wow some people are unable to read aren't they. Another shining example of our education system under the Democrats.

>>13891310
>not using 5.56
>not using 7.62
and I'm even mr. nogunz

>>13887867
>fiat
HOLY LEL

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>brz vs everything argument
>but the straights the straights lmao the straight straight drag race straights
americans

>>13891291

Should use the base price for the BRZ. The Series.Blue only adds slightly lighter wheels and an aero kit. A base FRS/BRZ would destroy a base Miata around a track.

I'm still waiting to see how much you need to spend on the Miata before it can beat a base model GT86.

>>13887867
You know what the FIAT stands for? Fix it again Tyrone.

>>13891264
>torque, which the Miata has a better ratio

Alright, that just seems like grasping at straws. The Toyobaru has more HP, more torque, a higher HP to weight ratio, but a lower torque to weight ratio.

>>13890332
>both get points for 6M "transmition"
>only one gets point for 3:20.8 "laptime" from god knows where

Makes sense.

>>13891473

I didn't do the tests Car & Driver did, they tested both fully speced so it's only fair to use the price as tested on the lap.

>>13891616
Oh look anther retard. Who didn't click on >>13891291 come back when you grow a second brain cell the one you have is getting lonely.

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Really thought somebody put a body kit on a Solstice the first time I saw it.

Well, looks better than ND.
But then again, if i wanted the looks i'd just buy the NA.

The only concerning thing is the engine. Fiat's non-diesels are unreliable as fuck.
But whatever, i'll wait for a potential abarth edition and then i'll decide.

>>13887867
Can it be called a miata killer if it is a miata itself? It's got a different front bumper and powerplant but apart from that...

>>13891600
The Miatas torque to weight ratio is better. Not that it really matters without looking at gearing or rpm

>>13890332
Benchracing at it's finest, done by some <15year old that's never driven a car.

>>13891249
Nice bait so I'm going to bite anyway.
>power not relevant in a sports car
>weight not relevant in a sports car
>acceleration not relevant in a sports car

>>13891992
>Fiat's non-diesels are unreliable as fuck.
no, they're not
t. owner

>inb4 10^9 hate replies

>>13888648
>I don't think I would've of realized
What the fuck?

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>>13891331
>Under the Democrats

>Implying all these people weren't in school during Bush years or at least HW bush years.

>No autist left behind

Fuck outta here

>>13891725
I wouldn't be mad. I wish they still made the Solstice.

>>13892486
The education system has always been shit, at least since the no child left behind act. Blaming democrats for it is pretty dumb.

>>13892007
the interior, cloth roof and frame are the same. but outside of that theyre different

>>13892510
The Solstice was the best car GM brought to the US imo.

>>13887867
>miata killer
>is 97% miata
>fiat engine
LOL

>>13892536
What about the suspension? I assume that is exactly the same.

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>>13892554
this

>>13892554
Fiat engine > Mazda engine

>>13892878
>Fiat anything
>better than Mazda anything
>ever

>>13892950
>>13892950

>>13892950
>>13892971
According to this warranty company Fiat engines are more reliable than Mazda engines.
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer/Engine
Do you have any other engine reliability study which shows otherwise or just your feelings about the subject?

>>13892950
Let's see... Would I rather have a turbocharged 4 banger with 160hp stock and easily capable of 200hp with just a tune, much more torque, a pre-existing aftermarket, and no evidence of unreliability besides "Fix It Again Tony" memes on /o/, or a naturally aspirated 4 banger with 155hp, less torque, and weird ass skyactive technology and super high compression that'll complicate aftermarket options and quite possibly reliability? And you do know that the first mod that any Miata owner does to their engine is turbocharge it, right?

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>>13887867 (OP)
That's cool. I would love to see it on the streets.

Still waiting for a 125 Special, though. DOHC 1.6 or 2.0 shouldn't be hard to do.

>>13887867
So it's exactly like a miata but breaks more?

>each new small convertible is hyped to high heaven as a Miata-killer
>quietly discontinued a couple years later

BMW's Z2 didn't even get as far as production before they realized it would be a waste of money.

>>13887867
>Miata killer
>Literally a Miata

uwotm8

>>13887867
>Miata killer?

Not if your a yuropoor. Your car will be a 140hp.

This suggest that Fiat is perhaps got a high-performance version in the works and they want to make it seem more impressive by detuning the base model.

>>13888206
>Looks like a retard child of fiat 500 and miata

If they give it the exhaust note of 500 Abarth, I will jizz like a lawn sprinkler.

>>13890370
This

Even the American spec with more power I bet is going to be the same speed or slower than the ND MX-5 while costing like $5k more.

It's over 100lbs heavier, and I bet it's softer and less rigid.