Ford Focus RS AWD Converts to RWD at the push of a burron 2.3L

>>13879761
I have to drive it first, but my first impression from reviews is that it's actually pretty good. At the very least it BTFOs the STi. The only other real competitor IMO is the Golf R/S3.

>>13879761
>>13879774
If I can watch videos of Ken Block hooning it with a big smile on his face, it has my support and wants.

theres so many fucking ford shills on this board. No other company has constant threads on new cars that look like the standard "press photo + attractive features + what do you fellow 4channers think :)". How many "WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THE NEW MUSTANG/FIESTA/FOCUS" threads are we gonna see god damn.

>>13879784
yea but he could be paid to smile his car is like 1000hp fully customized I doubt hes impressed with any other vehicle let alont a 350hp focus

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I'l reserve my judgement once I meet one on the touge, when I race an opponent that truly show me it's limits.

>>13879791
Hmm have you ever considered that maybe there's a lot of Ford shills because it's good?????????

>>13879792
I'm sure it's not nearly as fun as his half million dollar zippity-do-dah gofastmobile, but surely he can appreciate the capabilities of a production car as well.

>>13879761
It's fucking badass. The only ford I would consider buying. All the new hot hatches are great though the real variable here is value. I think at least in the US, the RS is number 1.

>>13879791
Ford didn't even place that high on the /o/ census. Mazda placed the highest king, GM, Toyota and Nissan placing the highest when including all brands which isn't really fair since GM has so many brands.

>>13879791
I havent been on o in a while, /g/entooman here. I was just surprised to see something from ford that actually looks like it was created overseas.

>>13879816
it was created overseas.

>>13879821
[/pedantic]

You know what I mean, its an american car from an american company.

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>>13879761
>RWD at push of button
So essentially you could have a 4-door, turbo-4, 350HP hatch with a 6-speed and 100% through the rear wheels?
Seems too good to be true...

>>13879761
>4 door
Don't care

>>13879850
Yeah unless something has changed I think OP is wrong I believe it's a 20-80 or 30-70

>>13879850
sti isnt a hatch
sti isnt 350hp

>>13879863
its 30/70 in AWD mode.

>>13879864
not to mention sti is not a Ford®

>>13879878
sez the Subaru® Defense Force

I like the STI, it takes a special person to be mad at another car company for building a better car.

I'm going to be buying one in a few days. I'll have to take it to a track and put it through it's paces and compare it to my WRX STI Hatch.

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>Ford

KEK

>>13879887
please post up some images/vids when you do.

>>13879849
*It's a German car from the European arm of an American company

>>13879885
>implying I meant that was a good thing

>>13879893
is this the same retard who spams GTR/Corvette lap times?

>>13879902
>>13879907
/o/ has more haters then any other board it seems

>RS is more expensive than premium GT stang
holy kek, the ken block fags sure are gullible

>>13879910
is this the same retard who also gets buttmad at said GTR/Corvette laptimes?

>>13879920
no, is this the same retard who imagines people calling him a retard are extremely angry while they do it?

>>13879918
>buying a mustang
>calling others gullible
kek

>>13879910
No that's Alphonse. I'm 100% sure he will show up in this thread eventually.

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>>13879928
heh, I bet this guy >>13879910 was extremely angry while calling me a retard

>>13879797
Then this guy posts the same thing every time

>>13879897
Will do, I wanted to do a little report for anybody here or in general who wants to buy one, especially compared to an STI.

Ford truly is GOAT

>>13879936
well I can assure you he wasn't :^)
not everyone takes 4chan seriously.

>>13879918
Why would you get the Mustang? It's a heavy American can't turn machine with a veeate.

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>>13879933
>alphone takes the credit of my GTR/Corvette shitposting

this is some lame shit son

>>13879945
>im not mad
textbook mad
not my problem Ford cant into 4wd

I'm sure it's a blast to drive.

The real test is how long will it drive before it goes to shit. The ecoboost cars have had more than their share of issues so far.

>>13879953
Ford created their own AWD in house

jelly your fav car stole their awd from someone else? i think so

>>13879953
>i'm a great troll
>hurr durr u mad
kek stay deluded

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>>13879964
>made in germany
>their own

lol ok

>>13879953
Alphonse will always be the superior shitposter, maybe one day you will reach his level. If there is a shitposting touge, you are Takumi, but Alphonse is Bunta

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>>13879983
put your name back on you huge fucking faggot

>>13879968
>im not butthurt!!!!!
kek stay butthurt

>Evo is kill
>Subaru BTFO
>VW BTFO and on the way to extinction because of cheating
>rumors of new MS3 are unconfirmed and wishful thinking at best
>Koreans need a heavy-ass 3.8l V6 to make 350hp
Meanwhile Ford makes the GOAT hot hatch, there is literally no reason to look anywhere else.

>>13879946
Veeate is a good thing.

>>13880001
Except if you want a quality built car that will last longer than 20k miles.
I won't drive anything less reliable than a rotary

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>>13879761
Have fun in 5-10 years when all that electronic differential tomfoolery breaks.

>>13880001
If Subaru would just sell the damn Levorg here with a manual and the STi with the Levorg's engine they could be GOAT. But no, Americans aren't allowed to have nice things.

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>>13879942
Maybe so, but I have yet to meet a Ford that can best my skill in the mountains. One Mustang Cobra jumped me on the first straights, but by the 5th turn I was already about 90m ahead of him. One Merkur almost had me, but he couldn't maintain any speed through the hairpin. Maybe with a little more practice, it would have been a closer match.

>>13879974
regardless of which country it was assembled in. its owned by ford so yes "their own" Great troll though I love your range of responses

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>>13879989
I wish I was Alphonse. He is a true master of words, nobody can match his skill on the keyboard. His key strokes are so accurately placed, such precision, I wish I could create such butt-anger like he can.

>>13879992
>look mum i'm trolling!
kek stay impotent

>>13880003
Veeate is a meme engine. A turbo 4 is cheaper and can provide more power cheaply.

>>13879774

>FWD
>COMPETITOR
HAHAHAHAHA

>>13880096
>Golf R
>FWD

>>13880091
cheep. cheep cheep cheeply. cheep cheeper cheepy cheep cheep
>fucking poorfags

>>13879774
>VAGshit
>ever
enjoy your German unreliability and German premium prices for replacement parts and services

>>13880091
turbo 4 is the new meme engine

>>13880115
>fucking poorfags
Right. They all own ford because ford makes cheap shit

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>>13880091
E C O B O O S T
C
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>>13880138
>exhaust manifold cast into the block
S H I T
H
I
T

You know what Ford stands for don't ya?

Fix
It
Again
Tony

>>13880138
Is there no exhaust manifold? Just a spot for the turbo to bolt on?

>>13880146
pretty normal in 2015 bro

>>13880130
Only Fords ecoshit engines are memes. Good turbo fours have been around a long time, and are not memes. The V8 is a meme because it is a thing of the past, it is an object of emotion not logic. The turbo 4 is the next logical progression. If meme engine means relevant, than that is the turbo 4.

>dealers asking for 10k above msrp
>for haldex

lol, for that money you should just buy an m3 or a cayman

>>13879851
>a car could be everything ive ever wanted but the added practicality of a rear door ruins it for me instead of sweetening the deal

>>13880186
nothing wrong with emotion unless you're just looking for an appliance

>>13880096
Ask Renault and their Megane RS Cup m8

>>13880195
are you talking about the golf? focus isn't haldex

aesthetically and statistically, I love it. would have to drive it to be sure though.

>>13879791
maybe it's because they currently have the best line up right now.

>>13880216
It's an electronically controlled differential that endeavors to detect when it's going to need to send power to all four wheels, and then tries to do so on the fly. That's Haldex, despite Ford's insistence that it's something new.

>>13880219
>maybe it's because they currently have the best line up right now
They don't though. It's all poorly made trash

>>13880225
source?

>>13879850
>posting a riced camry

>>13880232

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/heres-how-the-focus-rs-awd-system-works-1683508180

>"To deliver optimum driving dynamics, the Ford Performance All-Wheel-Drive system was calibrated alongside the car's advanced Electronic Stability Control, in particular the brake-based Torque Vectoring Control system that works in parallel with the torque-vectoring AWD.

>Translation: The front differential is an open differential with brake-based torque vectoring.

>The big question this press release doesn't address is the default front-rear torque split. Ford doesn't mention the word Haldex anywhere in their press release, but it's sounding pretty Haldex-y to me."

http://www.focusrs.org/forum/2-news/77-here-s-how-focus-rs-awd-system-works.html

>"Also, both the Ford press release and Haldex's website talk about preemptively sending torque to the rear wheels, and Ford has used Haldex awd in other transverse-engined cars with similar platforms to the Focus."
Now, if I'm being honest, Haldex isn't nearly as shit as it used to be, but it's a stretch to call it native AWD.

>>13880268
pretty weak sauce m9

baka

>>13880286
I guess you should just shell out 50k for your electronic diff, bub. :^)

Post bread on hood when you do so we can laugh at you for falling for the Ferd shills' memeing.

>>13880294
>implying there's anything wrong with an electronically controlled diff
works okay in the GTR

>>13880286
Haldex has always been fwd biased garbage. It's better now, though. If it's sending power to the rear preemptively, then it's probably Haldex as Ford would have no need to develop a similar system when they could just break into VW on a Sunday night and steal it.

I mean VW is preoccupied enough lately that they probably wouldn't notice it missing for a week or two.

>>13879918
It'd priced to compete with the STI and Golf R, it knows it's market.

>>13880300

The GT-R has a mechanical limited slip differential and real torque vectoring, not computerized braking up front and an electronic pseudo-LSD in the rear.

>>13880186
>more displacement is bad/ athing of the past

I think I see sour grapes

>>13880316
you're a retard. i know the word mechanical makes your dick hard but how do you think the focus sends power to the rear? through cables?
you clearly know nothing about the topic so just stfu

>>13880334

Again, brake-based torque vectoring inherently forfeits power and performance.

It's much cheaper to produce, hence why it's found on souped-up econoboxes like the Fiesta ST and Subaru WRX, but it's not a mechanical LSD where the brakes not are not pumped. It's an ersatz solution at best, and comparing the Focus RS's AWD to the GT-R's is laughable.

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>>13880362
>yfw the GTR is open front diff
>yfw the McLaren P1 uses brakes+open diff to do the job of an LSD
>yfw you believe it's worse

>>13880195
Or just get a Golf R 6 speed for $35k

>>13880268
It really isn't. Haldex was introduced almost ten years ago in the R32/Mazdaspeed 6/Volvo S60R. At this point its just as capable as a mechanical AWD system if not moreso. They took all the internet shitposting to heart about being FWD most of the time and made it respond quick enough to switch power to the rear where its unnoticable.

Just look at reviews for the new Audi S3/Golf R, its actually noted as more tossable/less understeery than the mechanical 50/50 split RS3s.

>>13880389
>my jeep has an open front diff
>this means my jeep is a gtr/p1

lol

Also, if you're paying 42 grand before 10k dealer markups and tax, you might as well go the extra mile and buy a used GT-R and actually have a good car.

>>13879761
too bad none of you will ever own one, unless Ford vastly ups production or you want to pay 50k for it.

>>13880427
>can't explain how the focus rear end is any less "mechanical" than a GTR
>seriously believes using the brakes costs power
this is how I can tell you know jack shit about cars

>>13880427
>Buying a used GTR
>Not just spending a little more and buying a used 997 Turbo

you're not cut out for porsche ownership kid

>>13880428
Ford always does that shit

Short model run for the first year to build up hype/demand then the year after they're getting discounted for 15% under msrp

>>13880455
>buying anything that costs that much money without it being and investment. Shit, use the 50k and start a business.
Drive a corolla. Watch your bank account grow

>>13880308
>>13880406
Haldex is still shit, it's inherently shit because all it is is a coupling.
At best it can do 50-50 split (Haldex call this 100% rearward torque) and it can't control yaw, only longitudinal acceleration.
Ford's system has yaw control (aka torque vectoring) which automatically makes it better than haldex.

>>13880462
It would be nice if they do indeed make a bunch in the second year and onwards but I bet they wont.

>>13879761
>Converts to RWD at the push of a burron
High amounts of doubt.

>>13880024
I really just don't understand it. America never gets the good stuff. Is it our stupid laws? Are the powers that be convinced that certain things won't sell here? Both?

>>13880484
no it converts to 70% RWD at most

>>13880487
The latter mostly.

>>13880469
>Not just buying a used liter bike for $4000 and decimating everything under $150,000

lol

>>13880470
To be fair VW has a similar system in the new Golf R. They just call it XDS (has been used in the past GTI MK5/6 on the front wheels, just now works on all four wheels instead)

>>13880487
emissions laws

>>13880487
Why bother spending time/money/effort legalizing a Legacy Station Wagon that won't sell when you're too busy printing money with the new Forester and XV Crosstrek.

>>13880481
Look at the GT350, its been everything short of confirmed.

So how does the 4wd system actually fucking work?

Is it permanent system with more bias to the front wheels, or does it bias to the rear, or does it split torque evenly, or is it like a haldex where it's fwd until slip is detected then it diverts a percentage of the torque to the rear axle based on a few factors?

STi still uses EJ, I doubt subaru will have their main stay outdone by Ford.

>>13880494
>To be fair VW has a similar system in the new Golf R. They just call it XDS (has been used in the past GTI MK5/6 on the front wheels, just now works on all four wheels instead)
It's not similar at all, the way haldex works is dictated by front wheel slip.
So in practice the rear diff won't be doing much almost all the time.

>>13880509
Depends on the driving mode. I think in eco it's pretty similar to haldex, otherwise it will typically split torque between 40 and 70% to the rear. In drift mode it will hold 70% at the rear.

>the rear axle clutches can only handle 70% of the CURRENT torque figure, which is why the hoon mode doesn't give 100% rear bias
>it's confirmed that the ECU will NEVER allow more than torque to reach the rear wheels
>if the car is tuned, it will allow more torque through the front axle, but not the rear
Lmao, nice car

>>13880487
Americans are nothing but boomers or faggots who take the boomer bait so not many are even willing to try and compete with the pony cars. Kill/reimagine the pony cars and you'd probably see a more diverse performance market.

>>13880591
If thats true thats pretty lame.

Kills the modder commuity before its even born.

>>13880484
and yet it does. not much different then SUV/Trucks going from 2wd to FWD fairly easily done, especially on a AWD drivetrain developed "in house"

It throws 70% power to the rear wheels for muh drifts.

>>13879863
>>13879864
>>13879870
no
no
no
"First, there is no center diff, just two drive units, one at the front and one at the back. There is no set torque split, meaning that there isn't always at least 10 percent of power going to the rear wheels, it's constantly variable. When you set off from a standstill, it automatically transfers power to the rear depending on the level of grip available. If the front tires have no grip, 100 percent of the available torque can go to the rear wheels."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/los-angeles-auto-show/news/a27364/ford-focus-rs-ride-along/

>>13880733
that's not exactly a relevant image, step it up m8

>>13880721
nonono

First, Ford said themselves, in rwd drive mode 70% of available power is sent to the rear wheels, and in certain conditions 100% of the 70% Power can be transfered to just one of the two rear wheels.

In standard AWD move the power displacement is 30/70

>>13880741
more info http://www.automobilemag.com/features/columns/2016-ford-focus-rs-gets-the-worlds-most-advanced-awd-system/

>>13880733
z06 is midlife crissis tier

600's of a second is within margin of error. sry

any gt-r > any vette its just the way it is

>>13880761
>Ford thread
>posting Corvette vs GTR
this is below you

>>13880747
I bet on the 1/4 its faster in AWD mode then RWD, not because of traction difference, but because of just putting less power down to the track.

We shall see

>>13880741
nonononono
if both front wheels are slipping 100% of power will go to the rear wheels. even haldex does this. however, in both cases it is a statistical anomaly. any 4wd system in the same circumstances will do the same thing regardless of torque split.

>>13880754
Z06 = midlife crisis
GTR= for the embarrassing middle aged guy who dresses like a teenager

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>>13879761

>>13880791
>hecanusemspaint

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footage of the rs drifting at 4:56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43CXspHw5ew

If only they did didn't make the front look like complete ass.

The ST looks great. Why did they have to butcher the RS

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>>13880784
nonono you're doing it wrong
you're supposed to shill for Ford

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>>13880813
>300 more hp
>same quarter mile
ford engineers confirmed shit

>>13880821
>benchracing
you confirmed shit

>>13880813
>>13880821
wow same 60 ft same 1/4 mile time but the SS has 320 more hp and 210 more tq

This cant be right, just seems mathematically impossible

>>13880844
They have the same tires maybe thats the max amount of grip those tires can give for that car

>>13880851
double nigger

>>13880851
>lrn2electricmotors
LOL oh please like the Tesla isn't a reflash away from raping the shit out of that bustang

>>13880861
doesn't matter after 100yds, it takes off the same but traps a slower time.
it's not making 850hp

>>13880861
Thats pretty sad then. Other then winning dyno days whats the point of the extra hp/tq

>>13880861
that would make sense on the 60ft times but if its not breaking free after that then the tires really dont matter.

>>13880871
>quadruple nigger

>>13880878
>>13880888
deez guys get it there is no way the ss is making 850hp

>>13880901
Or they have the worlds worst 3rd/4th gear ratios.

Some YT Dyno videos show the 2014 SS @ 600hp/630tq

Which sounds far more plausable then 850hp car having the same 1/4 as its 520hp brother does

>>13880917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xfl-QiSQ0I Super Snake HP/TQ Truth

Time to edit that "spec sheet"

>>13880851
notice how they both have Shelby in the name :<)
>>13880861
so they can't figure out how to put power to pavement? sounds like ford engineers to me
>>13880901
It does say claimed but why claim a number so high just to look like shit when the car doesnt perform?

>>13880940
>forklift motors
>can't into electricity
youtube.com/watch?v=lQkdMw4TVjY
bring all the snakes you got nigger

>>13879791
That's because ford is kicking domestic ass right now.

It's probably gonna be 40k base price. Out of reach for 99% of /o/

>>13880138
>mainfold casted with the head

kek

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>>13880059
>impotent

what Ford is on every rally race they lose againts a subaru KEK

>>13879761
desu the only thing that bothers me is the ford emblem

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>>13880754
>600's of a second is within margin of error
What do you think the lap times were measured with?

>>13880783
>1st year Engineering course
>Mature student (late 30s at youngest) wears pic related frequently
>Cool, I guess he's working towards a dream
>Walking from train station to class in the morning
>What's that parked in the loading bay of our city centre campus?
>A GT-R, wow!
>Who's that sitting in the GT-R parked in the loading bay of our city centre campus?
>The mature student, ehh?
>Respect him more for owning a nice car
>Respect him less for driving it into college (literal 1%er behaviour)
I guess he ticks both boxes.

>>13880840
>Comparing 400 m times is benchracing now
Have you told the folks at your local drag strip this?

>>13881624
thanks for posting my images so i don't need to :^)

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>>13881624
>win

KEK!

>>13881707
>u-ur assmad ;_;
dmg cntrl kek

>>13879761
will it be available in Automatic? I don't want that peasant ass stick bullshit. I want to be as fast as possible, as comfy as possible.

>>13881721
>cant handle

just like Focus rallycars losing againts Imprezas KEK!

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>>13881735
these are good one liners, when you're 15

>>13881743
see
>>13881693
>>13881616
>>13879974
>>13879936
>>13879893

>>13881749
stay mad ford is shit kukold kek

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>>13881768
>he sincerely believes symmetrical awd is best

>>13881787
>this much dmg cntrl

>>13881789
enjoy your haldex KEK

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>>13881804
>it's taken this retard 3 months to figure out it's not FWD
>it'll take him another 6 to realise it's not Haldex

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>>13881810
Just like Ford couldnt accept that subaru won all those championships KEK

>>13881816
>its been 3 months of this kukold being in denial

KEK

>focus rs
>american
since when

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>>13881841
>he thinks it's not just haldex with a different name

>>13881841
>I-It doesnt use haldex!!
>we cant tell you what it is, b-but it isnt haldex!!

KEK

>>13879784
ken block is also fucking retarded

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>>13881856
>he doesn't know how patents work
>he's obsessed with kekoldry and secretly wants to watch me fuck his waifu

>>13881895
>doesnt post the image to avoid being banned

kek, horsefuckers forever btfo

>>13879784
Ken Block's $300k carbon fiber 700hp rallycross "focus" has almost nothing in common with a real focus apart from a vague resemblance from 10 meters away.

>>13881904
except for the fact that Ford sucks at rallying, but yeah, im not a ford kukold so that doesnt upset me

>>13881922
ford loves sucking dat Fuji Industries cock

>>13881913
what? are you pretending to be retarded? who mentioned his rallycross car?

>>13881936
>all this denial

>>13881938
Are you? By watching ken block hooning it he surely meant all those gymkhana videos he does.

>>13881952
or, you know, the rs.

see ford's youtube channel

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>Ford
>best car company on the planet

Pick both

>>13881904
>not posting moar

>>13881990
>4chan filename
not sure if personal collection or flamewar material.

saved anyway

>>13882011
well ya, but there's furry images and furry images. most muscle stuff is just fucking ridiculous.

this is perfectly fappable, seems i have a new artist to watch

lets not piss off the locals too much tho.

>>13882032
well shit, if youre feeling generous by all means continue.

got nothing on here so i cant really reciprocate though

fucking faggots

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>>13881914
>>13881930
>implying ford isn't tied with subaru for contructors titles
>implying ford hasn't btfo out of subaru and in event wins

Holy fucking implications batman. Also, at least Ford has been competitive on more than one Major stage of racing too.

>>13882120
>blown the fuck out out

>>13882172
Sorry, I'm high.

it's a better wrx without a boxer, i'm all for it. it'll take some of the damn mustangs off the streets too haha people will buy this car

>>13880591
>>13880633
Might be tunable, but I'm highly skeptical that the rear end will hold up well to more power. I think I'd have to see this car in production for a few years to buy it.

only on /o/ would someone be dumb enough to consider paying fifty thousand dollars for a focus with a "totally not Haldex" drivetrain

>>13879761
Isn't it german?
or, at least, it being built in germany isn;t it?

>>13883809
>le Haldex is shit meme

>>13884064
Calling something a meme doesn't make it any less true.

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Alphonse you and notamiata need to stop. What you're doing isn't even shitposting, you're begging for attention. Teenage girls beg for less attention. To be honest you're a detriment to this board. I'm not going to tell you to kill yourself but get your shit together.

>>13879902
Still an American car as well

>>13879761
$37,000

Has 40% more power than an FD, but the Focus St is only 12% more weight, yet only a 4% faster 0-60 time.
???
Don't have the Focus RS weight.

Why the fuck can't it put power down? Or is this car really closer to 4000lb? I bet it is.

>>13880487
No, it's Americas shit taste in cars.

Honda and Toyota each sell 5x as much as Mazda.

Even Ford made good cars they could have sold in America. European regulations are generally all tougher and encompass American ones. But they don't sell them here because America loves shit cars like the Camry and old Taurus. And Trucks.

>>13885015
>yet only a 4% faster 0-60 time.

Who has tested the RS independently? What 0-60 time are you citing for the RS What 0-60 time are you citing for the RX7?

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>>13880025
>Merkur
Is this a subtle reference to Misfile?

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nump for more fordkuk assmad

>>13881729
>i cant drive stick so i need to justify the need of an auto

Excited to see what Dodge's new SRT AWD hatchback looks like. I hope it's at least a little larger than the Dart.

>>13881729
Faggot

>>13880455
just because you are poor doesnt mean everyone else is.

Drift mode on this beast is nothing short of special

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Just for this I think it will be the best in its class.