Eurofag here, wanna discuss about poverty tier performance cars.

What engine are we talking about for the Volvo? B20 or B21?

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>>13837167
>poverty tier performance cars

Should probably talk about American cars then, OP. As we both know they perform...poorly.

>>13837167
940 with the 3.0 24v i6

>>13837232
stay assmad while we keep topping charts

>>13837253
topping the poor performance charts? you're right bro, we jelly as fuck.

>>13837203

OP here. Not a volvo expert, but I've heard that the ones with the red top are easily to tune.

Currently I have a 190 and I'm considering the m104 swap, but volvos are in the same price range as the merc, and if they can be faster w/o swapping or major modifications I could consider a change.

Also heard that 740 and 940 have rear axle. Merc is multilink.

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>>13837167

The E36.
>it's old
>it's cheap
>it's pretty fast

You can find a running E36 M3 for as little as 5k euros, these are the cheapest M3 money can buy, and the 325i and 328i are even cheaper ( both had 192 bhp new )

>>13837167
Just get a clio 182

>>13837358
M3 e36: 5k for a crack pipe, 7/8k for a decent one.
325,328 e36: around 3k for a decent one.
>>13837360
Clio sport 172,182: 3,4k

That is before mods.
I've bought my 190 for 1k in reasonably good shape. A volvo turbo can be had for like 1.5k. M104 engine out of a junkyard is like 500€. So we are talking about lots of hours of man work but not much money involved.

I have another vehicle as DD. This is just my hobby.

I wanted a 328, but with the fucking drift fever prices have doubled in two years.

>>13837374
>Clio sport 172,182: 3,4k
Worth it

>>13837401
Agree, it is worth it, also the 3k asked for a 328 coupe in good shape, miata or mr2 2nd gen are reasonable too.

But I am talking about the cheapest rwd performance alternative, and they are not. Clio is not even rwd (although Im sure is faster than most of the others).

W201 with M103/M104 are pretty heavy on the front axle.

>>13837649

Do you kow if there is much weight difference between 2.6 M103 12v (only I6 fitted to 190) and 3.2 M104 24v (most powerful M104 not amg)?

Because using the already i6 as a base I thought the difference will be minor.

Idk the original weight distribution though.

>>13837668
I've looked into one of those conversions and they're more or less the same engine, just with a different head.

I can't imagine the weight would be much different.

>>13837649
It's a 53/47 weight distribution, which isn't too bad.

>>13837709

That's what I've thought. Thx anon.

So let's assume that handling of the merc will still be decent even if the motor is swapped.

How will it compare to a volvo 7/940 turbo with increased boost?

>>13837713
I wish I could tell you.

I've a big hard-on for 80s touring sedans, but I've not had the chance to drive a nicely tuned 940 yet.

>>13837167
dunno but i think they'd both make around 220hp, imo the 190 would be qucker as it's lighter.
there's a benz supercharged 2.3 16v engine that's worth a look too.

>>13837756

The M104 in this 3.2 24v incarnation has exactly 220hp.

Volvo has used this turbo model in different forms between 155 and 200 hp I think, and it will probably be easy to increase this to 220/230 or even more.

Problem is I do not have any clue of how is a turbo volvo to drive. Is it good, sporty? Can it be modded to something sporty or it is a hopeless barge?

>>13837668
the weight difference is pretty small, maybe 10-15 kilograms.

I6 W201 have nervous rears cause of the heavy engines. maybe you can move the engine some cms to the rear.
I'd prefer the W201 over the Volvo because it's got a >100 mm shorter wheelbase.

3,2l HFM-M104 + R129 cat = 231 hp

>>13838010

Thx for the info, I forgot the sl320 which had as you say 230hp, didn't know what was the difference.

Good thing about w201 is that you can use parts of other mercedes to improve performance, for example seems that it is relatively easy to adapt brakes from sl600.

>>13837260
>implying the Viper isn't the best performance per dollar right now