Hey o I'm starting a new project car, but haven't

Aw11

>>13819536
Whatever you can built to meet your specs. Put a whole tube of lipstick on whatever pig you can get your hands on.

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>>13819536
>Celica GT-R

>>13819545
But you can get an FC RX7 under 2400lbs easily and have a much better platform

>>13819558
It was a Japan only model and it is real.
>>13819545
Seems legit. Some euro pals keep mentioning some cars I'm not sure I can import though.

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A stripped Miata

>>13819583
Which ways less. A NA or an Aw11?

>>13819580
GT-4 dick flop

>>13819604
Aw11 is a better car, but the NA weighs a tad less IIRC, and its cheaper.

>>13819608
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Celica#Fifth_generation_.2F_T180_Series_.281989.E2.80.931993.29

> The 20th Anniversary GT-R came in December 1990 to celebrate 20 years of Celica production.

>>13819626
>Aw11 is a better car
Whoa whoa whoa
Wut?

light weight... rx7?
supercharged aw11?
bit heavier, but the turbo sw20?
heavier again, but the supra (mk III) ?

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>>13819641
I thought you knew this mayne

>>13819678
Lightest?

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>>13819690
Heavier with less power... I dunno mang. I've owned both and the miata seems more stable and quicker. But I don't wanna bench race

1996 Cadillac Fleetwood

>>13819641
Mazda Miata Gen 1
Production 1989–1997
Designer Tsutomu Matano, Shunji Tanaka (1984, 1986)
Body and chassis
Body style 2-door roadster
Platform Mazda NA
Powertrain
Engine 1.6 L (98 cu in) B6ZE(RS) I4
1.8 L (110 cu in) BP I4
Transmission 5-speed manual
4-speed automatic
Dimensions
Wheelbase 2,265 mm (89.2 in)
Length 3,950 mm (155.5 in)
Width 1,675 mm (65.9 in)
Height 1,230 mm (48.4 in)
Curb weight 940 kg (2,070 lb)

The original MX-5 came with a 1.6 L (98 cu in) dual overhead cam inline four-cylinder engine, producing 86 kW (115 bhp) at 6,500 rpm, and 136 N·m (100 lbf·ft) of torque at 5,500 rpm.

Toyota MR2
Production June 1984–1989[3]
Body and chassis
Body style 2-door coupé
Layout Transverse mid-engine,
rear-wheel drive
Powertrain
Engine 1.5 L 3A-LU I4 (AW10)
1.6 L 4A-GE DOHC I4 (AW11)
1.6 L 4A-GZE supercharged I4 (AW11)
Transmission 5-speed manual
4-speed automatic
Dimensions
Wheelbase 2,319 mm (91.3 in)
Length 3,950 mm (155.5 in)
Width 1,666 mm (65.6 in)
Height 1,234 mm (48.6 in)
Curb weight 1,066 kg (2,350 lb) (1988 NA)
1,131 kg (2,493 lb) (1988 SC)[4]

giving the engine a maximum power output of 112 hp (84 kW) in the US, 128 hp (95 kW) in the UK, 116 or 124 PS (85 or 91 kW; 114 or 122 hp) in Europe (with or without catalytic converter),[9] 118 hp (88 kW) in Australia and 130 PS (96 kW; 128 hp) in Japan

In 1986 (1988 for the US market), Toyota introduced a supercharged engine for the MR2. Based on the same block and head, the 4A-GZE was equipped with a small Roots-type supercharger and a Denso intercooler. T-VIS was eliminated and the compression ratio was lowered to 8:1. It produced 145 horsepower (108 kW) and 140 pound-feet (190 N·m) and accelerated the small car from 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62 mph) in 6.5 to 7.0s.

but, going by year... 89 verse 89 means you're putting the lighter miata againstt he heaver, MR turbo SW20.

>>13819726
>literally copy-pasting Wikipedia

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>>13819702
also 4 years older by design.

in the end, its about skill, if you're new, get the miata, it won't punish you for making mistakes

if you can get the 4agze aw11, then get one of those, but it will punish you if you fuck up.

>>13819735
>C
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wat?

>>13819737
I'm not sure what you're getting at. The wiki link provides no proof.
We weren't talking year for year.
Most common miata is 1.8L
And why are you telling me how they will behave when I've owned both cars already?

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>>13819737
>it will punish you if you fuck up

Devil A?

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>>13819536
Mazda Miata or Pontiac Fiero

>>13819545
sold nowhere near as many as the Fiero
>mass-produced

>>13819745
the main difference is MR versus FR

and, if he can find a supercharged aw11/turbo sw20.

>>13819758
>Fiero
>slower than a corolla

>>13819772
>the main difference is MR versus FR
And weight and horsepower

>>13819780
Shit engine. Can be fixed by throwing a boxer engine in it with a big ass turbo.

>>13819809
In what now?

>>13819813
Fiero. Its light and the geometry isnt bad for going fast. Mid engine so it will probably corner well.

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>>13819813
why not put a boxer in an AW11?

>>13819828
>2,593 to 2,789lbs
It's not light. Nor does it handle well

>>13819842
does that make it some kind of 914 like car?

>>13819842
There are better options

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>>13819842

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Does the Elise count as mass-produced? It's got like 300 pounds on the AW11.

>>13819859
Yeah, build/buy a tube frame and put a fiberglass body around it, then shove a 572 bigblock with twin turbos in it.

There, fast as fuck and you can probably do it for under 80 grand.

>>13819890
like a can am car? is that what the goal is? because thats basically what u described
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKOki34YkK4

>>13819890
>better options for motors for the mr2
Way to take it to the EXTREME though buddy

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>>13819880
the elise is really the next step up from poverty roadsters like the miata or MR2

Not many people on /o/ have the dosh to throw down for an Elise.

pic semi related, an MRS.

>>13819890
so basically a caterham/midlana/exocett?

>>13819907
>>13819880
Show many any Elise I can get for under 10k and I'll consider it

I bought a k20 for the project, but could not find a single one as it was my first pick

>>13819897
Yeah, thread was to find the lightest car he can hop the shit out of. Answer is build your own.

CAN AM uses TWIN TURBO BIG BLOCKS? Im on my phone and didnt click your link.

>>13819897
yeah but most of those people that he's talking about just weld up something loosely chassis shaped, glue a load of MDF to it and drop in a shitty V8 and then wonder why it handles like shit.

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>>13819920
do you really need twin turbo when you have 750 rwhp in a car thats about 1300 lbs?
these were faster than F1 cars

>>13819787

>MR+
>looks better
>weighs more -
>engine +

miata
>FR -
>weighs less +
>HP is less -
>costs less +

>>13819966
All of my wut.
None of this makes sense

>>13819989
what is plus minus

>>13820027
Obviously but its incorrect

>>13820056
do tell

sw20 versus miata

go!

>>13820076
We were talking AW11.
When did the SW20 come in?

>>13819917
10K US? Nope.

That might be doable for a Mazda AZ1 or Suzuki Cara, before shipping, though. Any of the other 25 year legal Kei sports cars would be cheaper.

>>13820086
its MR/ MR2 / Cheap RWD

>>13820086
because no one is shocked when a new car beats an old one.

i'd take an aw11 any day over a miata.

>special snow flake killing machine versus dick riding hairdresser

>>13820100
That doesn't answer my question.
When I look back through the convo, it was always aw11

>>13820104
Confirmed for never driving either car.

>>13820108
what convo? we're not on skype pleb.

>>13820113
Do you not know how quotes work? There was a back and forth going about miata and Aw11

>>13820119
SW20 is better than both though

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>>13820112
except you're wrong.

i chose the special snow flake killing machine.

"I have a Mazda Performance Portfolio book that has compilations of old road tests and there's a Motor Trend comparison between a 1990 Miata and a MR2, here's how it breaks out:

HP/Torque - MR2=130/140 Miata=116/100
0-60 - MR2=8.5 Miata=9.4
1/4 mile - [email protected] [email protected]
Lat. G's - MR2=.93 Miata=.88
Slalom speed - MR2=65 Miata=65.8
Weight - MR2=2599 Miata=2182

Bottom line of the test was a draw."

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=256940

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/the-great-mk1-mr2-or-miata-debate/26101/page1/

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?2844121-AW11-MR2-vs-NA6-MX-5

>opinion, seems to be a close match really, but i think the aw11 comes out on top ;)

>>13820159
also, dat LAT G's

>MR confirmed for shitting all over FR

>>13820159
Once again comparing the SW20.

>>13820229
thats why all those links, including that quote are about the aw11?

>>13820236
No aw11 has 130hp.

>hurr durrr ff is better than fr look at my cherrypicked examples thread
>63 replies, 16 posters

Nope, not even going to fucking touch this one

>>13819745
I thought the 1.8L was on the NB (I had one of those). NA was 1.6L and NC+ was 2.0L.

>>13820246
well the 4agze has more? so i guess it shits on the miata even more then?

Ok I'm confused as fuck with this GT-R bullshit.

I thought the GT-R was a Subaru car. Then I learned Nissan also makes a GT-R. Now fucking Toyota has a GT-R. Why are these dumb nips copying each other. Can they not figure out another 3 letter designation?

>>13820257
who has mentioned ff?

:/

>>13820260
There was a NA8 starting in 1994
>>13820261
I can cherry pick too.
Mazdaspeed miata.

>>13820266
Are you kidding me? Nissan's is the most famous GT-R by a long way.

>>13820272
>my 2004 miata is slightly better than your 1986 aw11

nice!

but hey, special cars!
>toyota mr2 aw11 222d

so we can put this issue to rest

miata < aw11

>>13820537
Aw11 > na6
Every other miata > aw11

>>13820556
>Aw11 = na6
>Every other miata > aw11
Fixed

>mfw miata vs mr2 fags getting up in arms
>post real world results
>get called a benchracer

i dont get either of you two retards.
despite the fact that i race one of them and while theres occasional competition one does come out on top more often than the other.

>>13820586
>post real world results
Except they weren't

>>13820589
how were they not?

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>>13820613
Use Google like the rest of us

>>13819960
>do you really need...
OBVIOUSLY
>these were faster than F1 cars
Even better

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>2015
>not putting a k20 in an mr2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yBMvF05M8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FghHghOaypM

GOAT combination

you can boost them to 400 hp stock + fuel safely

>>13820653
why did he make this one image really high quality?

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>>13819536

The Celica All-Trac is so cool, too bad they're overpriced.

>>13820845
its a fan image.