The 'alt-right' splinters as supporters and critics

>Frustration also boiled over inside the mainstream media.

>One Politico editor, Michael Hirsh, resigned last week after posting Spencer’s addresses on Facebook and telling followers to "Stop whining about Richard B. Spencer, Nazi, and exercise your rights as decent Americans,” according to comments first reported by the Daily Caller.

>“He lives part of the time next door to me in Arlington. Our grandfathers brought baseball bats to Bund meetings,” Hirsh wrote, alluding to Jewish Americans who attacked Nazi sympathizers before World War II. “Want to join me?” (Politico’s top editors denounced Hirsh’s remarks.)

>Trump himself disavowed the alt-right in a meeting with New York Times journalists, telling them, “It’s not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized I want to look into it and find out why.”

>Among the alt-right’s less hard-core associates, the coverage of the Nazi salutes has been like a light suddenly turned on in a dark room. They scattered, issuing clarifications and recriminations along the way.

>Paul Joseph Watson, an editor for the conspiracy-minded site InfoWars, said in July that he was “in the alt-right,” but then denied it last week, going on to argue that two different factions of the group had emerged.

>“One is more accurately described as the New Right. These people like to wear MAGA [Make America Great Again] hats, create memes & have fun,” Watson wrote on Facebook, criticizing mainstream media for focusing on Trump’s racist supporters. “They include whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, gays and everyone else. These are the people who helped Trump win the election.

>“The other faction likes to fester in dark corners of sub-reddits” — a reference to branches of the social-media site Reddit — “and obsess about Jews, racial superiority and Adolf Hitler. This is a tiny fringe minority. They had no impact on the election.”
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>White nationalists are alt-right and right-wing sites like Breitbart News and its chairman, the new White House advisor Stephen K. Bannon, are alt-lite, according to Brad Griffin, a white nationalist who blogs under the pen name Hunter Wallace at the site Occidental Dissent.

>“Steve Bannon is the most important figure in the alt-lite,” Griffin wrote. “We all see Breitbart as the premier alt-lite website which has popularized a diluted version of our beliefs.”

>Breitbart News, which channels a more nationalistic form of mainstream conservatism, gained notoriety over the last year both for implicitly supporting Trump’s candidacy and for Bannon’s proud announcement to Mother Jones in August, “We're the platform for the alt-right.”

>Left-wing critics have called the site a front for white nationalism and anti-Semitism, which its staffers have vigorously denied.

>Bannon and Breitbart staffers have distanced themselves from the alt-right label, which Bannon defined in a postelection interview with the Wall Street Journal as “younger people who are anti-globalists, very nationalist, terribly anti-establishment.”

>Bannon said alt-right supporters had “some racial and anti-Semitic overtones” that he said he disagreed with, and that Breitbart News provides “an outlet for 10 or 12 or 15 lines of thought,” of which the alt-right is “a tiny part.”

>The heightened scrutiny of the alt-right has led mainstream institutions to draw tougher policies on addressing the movement.

>After the election, Twitter banished many prominent far-right users from its service, which had been a staging ground for racist, sexist and anti-Jewish attacks against public figures and journalists.
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>Many supporters have since retreated to the new social-media service Gab, which bills itself as a safe space from censorship. At one point last week, at least six of Gab’s top 10 trending hashtags either referenced Trump or the alt-right.

>“Gab I love you,” a user named “Deplorable Daniel” posted on Nov. 22. “But man there is a scary amount of Nazis or National Socialists. I feel like Gab may be under Attack.”

>On Monday, the Associated Press issued an addition to its style guide, counseling caution on the use of alt-right and urging reporters to “avoid using the term generically and without definition.” It added, “In the past we have called such beliefs racist, neo-Nazi or white supremacist.” In a memo issued to its staff after the election, NPR said, “‘White nationalist’ is the most concise description.”

>The Times has not issued a specific style policy on alt-right, although its general guidelines call for describing groups’ beliefs rather than simply labeling them.

>“The truth is, the alt-right is a new buzzword that made it appear as if these white supremacists have something different to offer,” said Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism. “The name is an alternative to ‘white supremacy.’ They just want to make it more acceptable, digestible to white people.”

>Segal added, “There’s nothing new there.”

The alt-right is just a construct the media created to paint people they wanted to destroy politically in a bad light.

It's literally just a thousand or so /pol/ twitter trolls that a bunch of self-obsessed columnists got completely ass blasted by, and then used them as a scapegoat to make everyone look bad by proxy using the usual: "THIS NOBODY SAID SOMETHING MEAN DO YOU DISAVOW????" "HEADLINE: IDIOT I HATE DOES NOT DISAVOW RANDOM DRUNK EITHER QUICKLY ENOUGH OR STRONGLY ENOUGH THE FIFTH TIME HE WAS ASKED", hitjobs.

If you actually think this is a real thing, and not just the product of an intense trolling campaign by bored 14 year olds and Australians, then you should probably blow your brains out immediately, because it's never going to get any better for you.

To be fair, of course there is going to be a concentration of discussion about a topic that attracts bans from other social media sites on the one saying it won't. Anyone surprised by that is a little dumb.

Onto the actual topic. Of course there are neo-nazis/white supremicists in America. We have a little bit of everything here, we got lenninists and maoists to. The media has turned a spot-light on the words"alt-right", "nazis", and "white nationalists" lately but no matter how much I look I'm just not seeing it as some large group dedicated to a singular purpose like the image the media has been trying to paint. We have a few scattered groups of retards getting massive amounts of media attention ("THE HEIL HEARD ROUND THE WORLD" THIS IS NEW AND SHOCKING) and no one is actually going our and doing any investigative journalism on it or even using their heads about the topic.

>>88965
This guy is a bit over the top, but I'm beginning to feel that in a way he's right. "alt-right" has become a blanket term that once something is included in, it's pretty much fucked. Many years ago when the weather underground was a thing the term was radical left, and once something was included in it it might as well have been the same as the weather underground. No one sane wants a repeat of this, it goes nowhere good and accomplishes nothing other than disenfranchising the voices of sane people by associating them with the worst things possible. (left or right, it's bad either way)

>the alt-right media coverage gets so bad that an 'alt-left' forms

All because a few hundred racists, mostly trolls online, said racist things.

The media is a funny thing.

>>88971
>>88971
The alt-left has been a thing for years.

>>88973
According to whom?

>>88973
Here's where you're wrong, kiddo.
https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=Alt-left

Don't post shit that can easily be proven wrong.

>>88974
>>88991
Not him, but as I said in my post earlier years and years ago it was known as "Radical left", a phrase you don't really hear much anymore. A quick google search of the term will still yield results, although it isn't used in quite the same way it used to be. Used to it had the same negative connotations as alt-right does today. Not sure if my post is entirely relevant, as you guys could have just been specifically referring to the claim that the term "alt-left" is a thing and not that the idea of an "alt-left" has existed.

>>88965
Did you even read the fucking article?

>>88973
>>88974
>>88971
it's called the regressive left. IE, SJWs and the PC Bros

>>89193
>SJWs and the PC Bros
There are more SJWs on the right than there are on the left. The Christian right invented SJWs for fucks sake. They're still around today doing things like protesting sex scenes and curse words on TV networks and writing boycott letters to Budwieser for selling gay themed beer.

>>89198
And yet you have thousands of sjws protesting in the streets across the country after the elections, there are ten leftist sjws for every religious person, let alone religious sjw in the us

>>89241
>there are ten leftist sjws for every religious person, let alone religious sjw in the us
No. All of the people you think are justice warriors of twitter don't add up to even half of one of the christian right's many SJW letter writing groups. They've been around for 40 or 50 years and number in the tens of millions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pornography_movement_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_pornography

>>89177
>Did you even read the fucking article?
>www.latimes.com

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>>89241
Not really. If that were the case, Shillary would have won. Instead, people on the right-side tend to keep quiet, as opposed to the lefty blowhards, and so their true numbers remain more of a mystery...which means there are far more of them than you think.

Resisting open borders is white supremacy now.

Bow to your corporate overlords.

Thank god I'm just Hipster right in stead of alt right.

>>89308
It's also misogynistic and antisemitic for some reasons, wonder why these two groups feel threatened by the simple application of immigration laws.

>The loosely defined “alt-right” movement — made up of social-media-savvy white supremacists, neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, misogynists and other fringe figures who supported Donald Trump’s election

>everyone who disagrees with me is __insert buzzword__
just the usual for the left. everyone that disagrees with their nonsense is a nazi.

they put quite a bit of effort into attacking anyone thats a threat to them.

>>89362
>The alt-right (short for "alternative right") is a loose group of people with far right ideologies who reject mainstream conservatism in the United States.[1][2] The alt-right has no formal ideology, although various sources have stated that white nationalism is fundamental.[1][2][3] It has also been associated with white supremacism,[4][5][6] Islamophobia,[7][8][9][10] antifeminism,[1][11] homophobia,[12][13][14] antisemitism,[1][2][15] ethno-nationalism,[16] right-wing populism,[3] nativism,[17] traditionalism, and the neoreactionary movement.[4][18] The concept lacks a consensus ideology, and has further been associated with multiple groups from American nationalists, neo-monarchists, far-right leaning men's rights advocates, and people who oppose mainstream conservatism.[19][20]

>The generic writings are largely Internet-based and are found on websites such as 4chan and eight chan, where anonymous members create and use Internet memes to express themselves.[4][15][21] It is difficult to tell how much of what people write in these venues is serious, and how much is intended to provoke outrage.[22][3] Members of the alt-right use websites like Twitter and Breitbart News to convey their message.[23][24] Alt-right postings generally support Republican President-elect Donald Trump,[25][26] and oppose immigration, multiculturalism and political correctness.[2][27][11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

>>88965
it is a real thing, just like how leftwing or rightwing is a real thing.
it doesnt describe a specific political ideology, but a group of political ideologies that share common aspects.

from what i know, the alt-right is just a collection of groups whose main common point is the opposition to the current leftists failures.
which makes it unlike most mainstream rightwing parties which just passively go along with leftist nonsense.

the reason why its growing is because of how shit the left is becoming.
the left is increasingly detached from reality where their biggest problems are microaggressions and other nonsense,
and they are increasingly hostile to anyone that disagrees with them.

>>89364
it does include those groups obviously, but to claim that they are anything but a small minority is just propaganda.