http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs
>"The whole idea from the start was to build a site that could kind of infiltrate the echo chambers of the alt-right, publish blatantly or fictional stories and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction," Coler says.
regardless of left or right, they're all liars
what matters to these organizations isn't to tell the news. its to propagate the patty of an idea sandwiched by juicy buns and toppings of a story.
it doesn't matter if its healthy for you. what matters is how delicious you find it.
get mindfucked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
>>87558
>the left never rises to the bait
lmao. Try generating a fake story about a muslim woman beaten in the streets by a group of white supremacists and watch as it becomes the headline for CNN.
>>87562
It isn't just that they make fake news, it's that the fake news is forced/served to people by Facebook's "liked by people in my circle" algorithm.
>>87558
Hang on, so NPR just doxxed this guy just for their story? That doesn't seem fucked up at all.
>>87614
Yeah, pretty much.
>>87562
>>87563
>regardless of left or right, they're all liars
this sounds like a false equivalence. you'd be hard-pressed to argue that, because fake stories pander to both sides of the political spectrum, that it's equally as destructive in either case.
there is likely more of a market to pander to those of a particular political persuasion, the likelihood of damage done will differ, and the propensity to take the bait is going to tend to differ between conservative and liberal populations.
for example, there's probably a good reason we don't find a leftist equivalent of alex jones. Lefty crazies do certianly exist as well, but there is no conspiracist that has risen to a comparable level of notoriety. The whole narrative of NWO is almost by definition more frightening to a conservative audience.
>>87614
NPR is way better than most of the MSM. They are liberal faggots, however, they have a passion for analyzing fucked up behavior regardless of the angle.
>>87635
It's also more worrying because leftist nuts are usually just junkies and potheads, while right nuts tend to hoard weapons and prepare to actually fight/kill people. Pandering to one tends to be deadlier than the other.
>>87678
This is absurd. Owning a weapon doesn't make either a Democrat or a Republican more 'dangerous,' and the conservative Republican party has a similar exaggerated view of liberalism spreading among youth by force.
you literally destroyed the nonpartisan conversation in this thread. Good job.
>>87678
you forget about one of the most insane groups of leftists,
much more influential then any other nutty fringe group, and much more dangerous
progressives.
>>87635
>there's probably a good reason we don't find a leftist equivalent of alex jones
tyt
>>87684
>you literally destroyed the nonpartisan conversation in this thread. Good job.
Bipartidism is the cancer that is killing america.
>>87703
Call me when TYT spends a couple decades telling us that any day now the UN is going to send in soldiers and force us all into hobbit homes as part of some extraterrestrial human extinction plot
>>87562
Mainstream media puts biased spins on stories all the time, but that's still miles better than these sites pulling stuff straight out of their ass.
There's a ton of people convinced that 3 million illegal immigrants voted for Hillary in the election because Milo Yiannopoulos and Infowars "reported" on it and their only source is a fucking tweet.
>>87742
How many millions did vote then? 1? 2? 11?
It should be zero. They should not be in the fucking country.
>>87791
There is zero evidence that any voted.
>>87791
>th-theres no smoke without fire!
>behind every lie is a kernel of truth!
You are cancer.
>>87558
This article was written to shroud doubt over pizzagate.
>"Clinton supporters create fake news to discredit alt-right somehow."
The lying never stops.
Please Democrats call a majority of voters stupid racists and demand they vote for you again.
Perhaps you could threaten to burn down their homes.
>>87922
Are you suggesting fake news didn't propagate through social media? Trump himself tweeted about being targeted by ISIS and that was widely retweeted, and then claimed he read it online in his defence.
Every fact that doesn't bear congruence with the world as you see it is agenda driven and part of a conspiracy.
In your universe, inforwars is equally trustworthy as the MSM.
>>87923
>fake
>>87922
so we attempted to sabotage our own election so we could blame the alt-right after we lost?
>>87684
>owning a gun does not make you more dangerous
It gives you an easier way to kill others than someone's hands or knives or whatever, thatlittetly what their made for to make you more dangerous.
>>87923
>In your universe, inforwars is equally trustworthy as the MSM.
In reality, anyone who claims the MSM is trustworthy and everything else is "fake news" is a useful idiot.
CNN, MSNBC, Fox- they all lie to you and you suck it up like a good little whore.
>>87809
>There is zero evidence that any voted.
And so... you believe therefor none voted?
Obama literally calling for illegals to vote and promising there'd be no repercussions for doing do, in the days leading up the Election was just for shits and giggles eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCLO0WBvhF8
>>88051
false equivalence.
My overall preference is for the AP but if one seriously believe anderson cooper is on par in terms of quality of journalism with alex jones then you're just wrong.
Alternative news is consistently poorly sourced, targets gullible morons, and always agenda driven, mostly because they've not been culpable for what they report. Nobody gives a shit what alex jones reported until now because it was assumed everyone understood he was a clown.
It's not OK to invent BS about how hillary and Barack are possessed by demons. It's not OK to try and convince people that planned parenthood is part of a eugenics conspiracy. It's not OK to claim ebola is a conspiracy to genocide. It's not OK to source a web of other dubious alternative news blogs and websites to claim Peak Oil is a US government myth and will never come.
Free press is essential check/balance in our political system but it will not work if our most impressionable voters are inundated with straight up fake news.
>>88052
"when you vote, you are a citizen yourself ... if you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote"
Where did he encourage illegal migrants to vote?
He claimed the people who vote must be citizens themselves.
He claimed that ICE wouldn't come after undocumented members of your family if you vote, which whether or not you think is beneficial or harmful, is factually true.
He claimed someone who has an undocumented family member will have a greater incentive to vote, which seems logical enough.
I'm not a fan of his immigration policies, but as far as I can tell, he didn't even opine for the idea that undocumented migrants should be able to vote.
>>88046
Having the intention to kill is what makes a person dangerous. Owning a gun is not dangerous, nor does it make a person more dangerous.
>>88059
Well, that depends if whomever will have acess to the firearm after it's sold will simultaneously have intention to, or capacity to accidentally, shoot someone.
For example, if you have coincidence of an individual with a firearm + impulsive personality + anger management issue, then a significant risk exists.
>>88062
All you need is someone with anger management issues to have a significant risk.
>>88078
People kill. A gun is a choice of weapon. But, people kill with their hands, knives, bombs, etc. It may even be that the only thing that might stand between a killer and the life of my child is my gun. I personally can't understand the impulse to kill. But, I do understand the fierce impulse to protect.
>>88082
But a gun is purpose built for killing, and its engineering has long been refined to perfect it for that.
There are practical issues with regulating knife sales, IED aren't sold, and the right gun is more dangerous than both in any case, because it's far more reliable and easier to kill with than any other weapon. It's designed for that purpose.
>>88052
I think it's not outside the realm of possibility for maybe at the absolute most a couple tens of illegal immigrants voted nationwide. But that's a fucking long way from "I DEFINITELY KNOW THAT NOT ONLY DID ILLEGALS VOTE, BUT THREE MILLION OF THEM DID AND THEY ALL VOTED FOR HILLARY! I KNOW IT'S TRUE BECAUSE TWITTER TOLD ME SO"
>>88053
Not that other simpleton, but who is to decide what's "fake news" and what's "real news" or even what's "entertainment"? The state?
>>88114
the answer to this question is definitely not "you can't know nuffin"
>>88114
What determines a real doctor from a fake doctor? A real college from a fake one? We've got many qualification systems in place that aren't government run, and not all are clear binary yes/no qualifications. We can judge all of these based on the standards of the industry and the qualifications of the employees and owners. While subjective there are groups that can clearly be far over to the side of the big fuzzy line to be objectively fake or bad, such as groups who do literally zero fact checking or deliberately concoct stories with zero basis in reality.
The worst thing we can do is use the fuzzy grey area between good and bad to pretend that there aren't outfits that are purely junk news.
>>87635
>we don't find a leftist equivalent of alex jones. Lefty crazies do certianly exist as well, but there is no conspiracist that has risen to a comparable level of notoriety
Member Hillary's tin-foiling?
>Calling me and Bill out for corruption and untrustworthiness is a vast right wing conspiracy everybody
>Alt-right straw boogeymen
>Wikileaks publishing dirt on me is a conspiracy between Trump and Putin despite zero evidence it was even Russia hacking
>Pepe the frog is a racist white supremacist nazi symbol
>>88199
>The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national
"Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
-Trump
>Pepe the frog is a racist white supremacist nazi symbol
I guess that may be a conspiracy theory; although I'm not certain it ranks anywhere with "CDC Commits new Vaccine-autism Crime".
>>88201
>consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts
so no proof at all.
>>87678
>while right nuts tend to hoard weapons and prepare to actually fight/kill people
You say this like anything bad has come of it.
>>88276
http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/
>>88089
>because it's far more reliable and easier to kill with than any other weapon
lel someone hasn't looked up mortality rates
Guns aren't great for assassination or murder either because they are loud and conspicuous. Again, the numbers reflect this. If you want someone dead there are many better ways.
The only thing guns excel at are hunting and combat.
>>88277
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/25885/
>>88201
Not exactly proof there, just "we'd imagine Russia would want to do this so it was Russia.
Fun thing is that a) these tracking down the exact source of attacks (since there is so many different methods) is fucking impossible and b) most people wouldn't begin to understand the tech side of it, so it leads to a situation where you have experts saying "guys, you totally got to believe us, it was TOTALLY those evil Russian's, because we say the evidence points to them" and everyone just has to take it as fact since no one can really disprove them.
>>88287
Sorry I'll believe the FBI over some third-rate history professor who happens to be an expert on the Crusades.
>>88383
when the study does not include people convicted of terrorism who have personally said to be inspired by Osama (not Obama, the other one), your study is laughable. To tout it as fact and saying that it cannot be looked at or challenged, only accepted, is insanity.
>>88469
The problem is that reactionaries have overused the word "terrorism" to the point that it's lost all meaning. A "terrorist" is supposed to cause people/the populace to feel terror, not instigate fearmongering on behalf of those who have a foreign policy agenda. Suddenly in the past few years, knife attacks and hit and run auto incidents are now labeled "terrorism" as long as the guy who did it looked at a certain facebook page or shouted ALLAH AKBAR when they did the deed. Meanwhile some crazy hillbilly shoots up a planned parenthood office and shouts about saving babies but he's just a crazy nut and not a terrorist.
>>88277
>since 9/11
>in the U.S
what a surprise.
>>88471
>Suddenly in the past few years, knife attacks and hit and run auto incidents are now labeled "terrorism" as long as the guy who did it looked at a certain facebook page or shouted ALLAH AKBAR when they did the deed. Meanwhile some crazy hillbilly shoots up a planned parenthood office and shouts about saving babies but he's just a crazy nut and not a terrorist.
Maybe, the motives, psychology, funding, equipment, methods- are all different and a guy or several men and women, who ether calls 911 to explicitly pledge his allegiance to a terrorist organization or who explicitly states he's answering said organizations call to instigate terror attacks, is actually different in objective tangible ways than a single dude who thinks god told him to kill people.
Maybe, also, because the former happens more frequently than the latter, and similarities between other attacks across the world that are also considered terrorist attacks suggest more of an international pattern than the latter.
Or maybe you're just a useful idiot who will believe anything the government tells them, especially an alphabet agency. Who knows.
>>88277
>http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/
>They found that 48 people were killed by white terrorists, while 26 were killed by radical Islamists, since Sept. 11.
>US only
>9/11 doesn't count
>white extremists/terrorism never actually defined
>"New America Foundation"- lobbyist, pro-common core think tank owned by Google
If you shift the goal posts and pay the right people enough, you can make it look like pit bulls killed more people in the US than heart disease.
>>88492
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html
...
>But the breakdown of extremist ideologies behind those attacks may come as a surprise. Since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims: 48 have been killed by extremists who are not Muslim, including the recent mass killing in Charleston, S.C., compared with 26 by self-proclaimed jihadists, according to a count by New America, a Washington research center.
>The slaying of nine African-Americans in a Charleston church last week, with an avowed white supremacist charged with their murders, was a particularly savage case.
>But it is only the latest in a string of lethal attacks by people espousing racial hatred, hostility to government and theories such as those of the “sovereign citizen” movement, which denies the legitimacy of most statutory law. The assaults have taken the lives of police officers, members of racial or religious minorities and random civilians.
>Non-Muslim extremists have carried out 19 such attacks since Sept. 11, according to the latest count, compiled by David Sterman, a New America program associate, and overseen by Peter Bergen, a terrorism expert. By comparison, seven lethal attacks by Islamic militants have taken place in the same period.
>If such numbers are new to the public, they are familiar to police officers. A survey to be published this week asked 382 police and sheriff’s departments nationwide to rank the three biggest threats from violent extremism in their jurisdiction. About 74 percent listed antigovernment violence, while 39 percent listed “Al Qaeda-inspired” violence, according to the researchers, Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina and David Schanzer of Duke University.
...
>>88488
>Or maybe you're just a useful idiot who will believe anything the government tells them, especially an alphabet agency. Who knows.
Okay Alex Jones, tell me how it turns out when you emerge from your bunker.
Actual fake news ( all of the MSM) is now concerned about "fake news"
THE WIKILEAKS PROVED THE MSM COLLUDES WITH THE DNC TO SHIFT AND CREATE THE NEWS
>>88503
>THE WIKILEAKS
Are you a teenager?
>>88057
fair point...you have to agree though, that the wording is deceptive and can pretty easily fool most of the 'tards out there
>>88504
Wikileaks has been and is being used in CIA and FBI investigations. Are you retarted?
>>88542
No, it's pretty crystal clear unless you're bending over backwards to try to interpret it as Obama being complicit in some massive voting fraud conspiracy you learned about from your 50 year-old uncle's facebook group.
>>88542
Just like Mexico being full of rapist and thieves.
>>88488
Abortion doctors get targeted campaigns launched against them from religious nuts and groups. They get their death threats, their families get targeted, their offices vandalized. In many cases their entire staff has to be escorted to work.
If the group that was targeting them was another religion and brown, they'd be considered terrorist victims without a second thought. Instead its under reported and limited to local news when someone gets hurt/killed.
But I guess question should be, what do you call a group that wants you to change your lifestyle/politics through threat of violence?
>would just like to know if the green starbucks cup was fake news