Pigs rescued from fire later served as sausage to firefighters

This is silly!

They were going to be slaughtered, barn fire or no, at least they got to have a pretty good life before hand and didn't die in an inferno.

50 billion chickens killed per year because you like chicken flesh
at least 1 billion male chicks (ground up alive) because you like eggs
1 billion pigs slaughtered per year because bacon amirite hahahaha BACON THOUGH
1-2.8 trillion fish because you like their flesh
703 billion to 2.39 trillion silkworms because you like silk
1 to 6.5 trillion bees enslaved because you like bee vomit
300 million cows killed per year because you like milk and cow flesh
>Obviously this is a nightmare. But I don't even eat that much meat! And I'm a good person in other ways.

The average meat eater will consume 2000 animals in their lifetime... and their retirement years will be filled with heart disease, cancer, and diabetes.

Or you could just eat fucking plants like you were born to. Honestly, I thought more people wouldn't kill animals for fear of God. You really think you can live your entire life, killing animals every day without consequence? Better hope there is no judgement waiting for you.

>>170951
>People forget farm animals are for food
I partially blame Disney for making people forget that animals aren't people, they dont sing or dance, they dont think complex thoughts. If it werent for the stewardship of man nearly all of them (ironically except pigs) would vanish.

>>170973
humans are omnivores anything else is unnatural and unhealthy.

>>170973
>Honestly, I thought more people wouldn't kill animals for fear of God.

The same God that regularly demanded animal sacrifices?

>>170980
Before the autism brigade comes in, i mean american barnyard animals, mostly cattle and chickens

>>170973
>Or you could just eat fucking plants like you were born to

Were this true, we would not have incisors or canine teeth. It is, therefore, a misrepresentation at best. Your opinions are excused.

>>170994
No Jon, you are the autisms.

>>170973
Is that all? Those are amateur numbers, we gotta pump those numbers up.

>>170983
then why does dietary cholesterol (found in animal products) kill us?

Do you really not know about heart disease or what

>>170986
I meant a real God. You don't believe in anything like that of course.

>>171058
ok. I really hope you smarten up before the heart disease (which even meat eating children have signs of) starts to effect your body.

Remember people that it's never too late to change to a healthier diet. Even people dying of cancer can REVERSE their disease with a whole food vegan diet.

>>171062
you aren't funny

>>171062
>Is that all?
and actually no, it's not all. I didn't include a lot of numbers because you people have a hard time grasping ethical concepts as it is.

Really the silkworm stat was probably enough for you mindless buffoons to get distracted.

>I don't even eat silkworms LOL so there

>>171075
>I meant a real God. You don't believe in anything like that of course.
Tell me, if this "real god" that apparently only you know about is so disapproving of meat consumption, why did he create carnivores and omnivores at all? You think such a god will condemn us for humanely slaughtering other animals for food when he designed predators that rip the flesh from their prey as they thrash and bleat in agony?

>Even people dying of cancer can REVERSE their disease with a whole food vegan diet.
Oh, you're a complete loon. Why didn't you say so? That woo bullshit sure didn't save Steve Jobs, did it?

>>170973
>Honestly, I thought more people wouldn't kill animals for fear of God.
Genesis states multiple times that god gave us animals for food. At its most strict, the old testament limited it to certain animals but always stated the animals are there for our consumption. The new testament has multiple passage concerning the lifting of these dietary restrictions to any meat as long as it isnt human. To say god would punish humans for eating meat is absurd unless you cherrypick a single verse (Romans 14:21)

>Genesis 1:29, 9:3
>Leviticus 11:1-47, 19:26
>Romans 14:2-3
>Acts 10:15

>>170973
Tell me, are you the nutjob posting all that Titanic crap in /n/ or did a bunch of you breach the containment at a funny farm recently?

>>170951
Did the fear make it taste better?

>>171083
your questions bore me

a whole food vegan diet is the ONLY diet proven to reverse heart disease. Your ignorance is shameful. There is no excuse for being this uninformed when you're sitting at a computer discussing this very topic.

please don't take my advice and just die of cancer already. Don't worry! Processed meat is A-OK.

>>171086
why are you talking about the bible?

can you not imagine a perfect God? Not a flawed one like you refer to. I thought it was a natural phenomenon for humans to imagine an ethical God, but maybe not.

Is that is why you are so immoral? That would make sense. There is no other explanation for total lack of morality in the carnists mind. Surely, you must be defective. Maybe you already have brain cancer?

>>171095
>Shifting the goal posts this hard

The liberal rears his head and roars "BUT WHY SHOULD I ENJOY WHAT I EAT? I WANT TO LIVE FOREVER ON BEANS AND BEETS."

>>171087
Yeah it's just me I'm the only one.

I also invested 3.3 trillion to encourage the end animal of slaughter.

https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/investors-councils-and-organizations-all-calling-for-switch-to-plant-based-diet

I did that all on my own, pretty cool huh? Just kidding you fucking moron, veganism is on the rise.

Why are you still supporting this insanity? Is your mind so weak that you can simply "not think" about what's on your plate?

I don't get that. I tried to ignore animal suffering after I saw those slaughter house videos. But I couldn't forget what meat was. How can you support something which causes so much agony?

Really I am curious as to how you people can eat animal flesh several times a day for decades without a second though. Unbelievable!

>>171098
>Really I am curious as to how you people can eat animal flesh several times a day for decades without a second though.
Pretty easily, tbh.

>>171097
Your questions are retarded bro. Honestly I was trying to be nice.

You simply don't have the mental capacity for a conversation about ethics.

Call me dismissive or rude or whatever, but it's the truth.

look
>>171100
ignorance is bliss. and stupidity aids ignorance.

At this point I am convinced that veganism is simply a measure of intelligence. You either grasp right and wrong or you have yet to evolve.

>>171103
New study: Rabbits smarter than dolphins

Rabbits understand the suffering of the poor wolf and stick to a vegan diet so they only have to harm the billions of bacterium instead of other creatures.

Dolphins, being malicious creatures, eat FISH!

How awful!

>>171105
This just in! Trees are vile creatures who STEAL sunlight and WATER from the harmless planet! All they do is spit poisonous gas as an insult given for their thievery!

>>171105
>>171107

You see, there is no argument against veganism.

What even is this shit supposed to be.

>HURR BACTERIA THAT'S WHY I EAT MEAT EVERY MEAL

This is how much carnist's have thought about their actions. Truly, you are a thoughtless breed.

>>171108
I'm not here to change your mind, fam. I'm here to poke fun at the child throwing a tantrum while soiling itself.

>>171110
>I'm not here to change your mind
That's because you're a coward with no insight to offer.

At least be funny if that's your goal.

>>171113
>Be funny

I'm the one laughing.

>>171114
good one

>>170973
>>171075
>>171076
>>171095
>>171098
>>171103
>>171108
>>171113
So how much does Whole Foods pay you to shitpost here?

>>171133
stop killing animals

it is that fucking simple you heartless piece of shit

>>171137
You're right, I'm done eating meat of animals, who knows what kind of diet they might have been fed before slaughter.

Maybe I should start eating human vegans, after all, they are so full of vitamins, unclogged veins full of delicious blood, never before tainted with animal fat.

That decides it, I will never kill another weak, defenseless animal, instead I will only kill weak, defenseless vegans.

>>171138
You might be a genius.

>>171138
Meat from any animal has saturated fat, cholesterol.

It doesn't matter what kind of diet an animal eats, you imbecile. That's the animal's revenge.

Can you make a joke without displaying your ignorance?

>>171140
No, I'm an ignorant imbecile who eats meat, you already stated that multiple times.

Fucking vegans man, just going on and on, repeating thenselves like a broken record player.

>>171142
you are also heartless. that's the more important part.

because even imbeciles can understand that killing is wrong. you just don't care.

>>170973
plants are alive and therefore have the right to live just as well as animals

>>171143
>Being heartless
>Can't have heart disease due to meat consumption
>Eat all the freaking meat you can muster
>????
>Profit

>>171140
Adam ruins everything said sugar was what caused heart disease. That companies fudged the numbers to blame fat.

>>171161
This. If you weren't a monster you would be a fruitarian but even then the microbes on and in the fruit are getting slaughtered by the tens of millions with every bight...you monster.

>>171161
It's like when you become vegan, it becomes your job to hear the stupidest shit imaginable

>>171164
lol

>>171165
Which is worse?

150 million to 1 billion humans killed in all human wars.

OR

1 billion pigs killed per year.

>>171171
>150 million to 1 billion humans killed in all human wars.
is worse

ITT: what in tarnation

Who knew anybody could care harder than diamonds about things that will never care about them?

>>171098
>How can you support something which causes so much agony?
To get a reaction out of people like you. ;-)

animals can't feel pain, prove me wrong
protip: you can't

>>171098
>Really I am curious as to how you people can eat animal flesh several times a day for decades without a second though. Unbelievable!
It's pretty tasty.

I don't even give a fuck about all the human suffering in the world, why would I care about animals?

>>171192
you're just too stupid to help

>>171199
this perfectly sums up the carnist argument.

There will never be enough change to stop people from eating meat. It's something that's been ingrained in humans for centuries. And changing your diet, or convincing a few others to do likewise, will never have any impact on the continuously thriving agricultural industry.

Suffering is a given where life exists. Going through extra efforts to theoretically prevent the suffering of a thousand animals that only knew a farm will have no real effect on greater issues, like the sustainability of food distribution in the first place.

I have nothing against vegans, but there's no point in calling people heartless when people will always put their own species and themselves above other animals, as the apex predator.

>>171192
are you serious?

>>171199
Honestly I would probably eat cooked and prepared humans, too, if they were offered.

>>171075
>people dying of cancer can REVERSE their disease with a whole food vegan diet

Suuuuure it does. You wanna go down that road?

>>170951
>Farming and ranching SOP makes national news

Have urbanites really become this divorced from reality? Even in 4H and FFA for kids, it's traditional for kids to give sausages, pork steaks, bacon and stuff to the people who helped them out with buying or raising an animal once it gets slaughtered.

It's literally the same thing as old ladies handing out jars of apricot jam or pecan pies at Christmas to boys that helped them with orchard work that year.

>>170973
1. chiken is delicious
2. chikens only lay eggs when males nearby so why kill them?(not sure if true but what i was told)
3. fish is good source of vitimins
4. rather have us run around naked?
5. bee vomit is a bi-product we techicaly eating bee shit for all we know, who is honestly gonna miss someone eating thier shit?
6.i love me some burgers

>eat plants like we were born too.
completely false as humans we are omnivorous we need to eat meat to get nutrients plants cannot provide alone, if you honestly are butt hurt about how much meat people eat maby they should stop stuffing 7 whole turkeys down their gullet and only intake whats needed.

random fact: cows produce more methane that is actually harmful to the atmosphere and is recommended moving diet towards chicken

guys can we stop arguing like retards who cares if you eat meat or not no one is going to get convinced to change their mind

also, based firefighters

>>170973
DERICIOUS

>>170951
Out of the fire, into the grill.

>>171171
Its actually true. Sugar is a bigger factor in heart diseases and clogging arteries than fat and cholesterol. Especially fructose

>>171208
The average meat eater will consume like 7000 animals in their lifetime?

That's a huge number. And its 100% your choice to kill them or not.

>>171248
Lol

>>170973
>1-2.8 trillion fish because you like their flesh
>703 billion to 2.39 trillion silkworms because you like silk
>1 to 6.5 trillion bees enslaved because you like bee vomit
literally nothing wrong with these

>>171225
yeah

https://nutritionfacts.org/?fwp_search=cancer+reverse&fwp_content_type=video

heart disease, cancer, and diabetes are totally reversible with a VEGAN WHOLE FOOD diet

read a fuckin book

and processed meat is a class 1 carcinogen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_1_carcinogens

...yet you still eat it because you're a savage hahaha

>>171233
>1. chiken is delicious
try some plain chicken you idiot

without the breading and ketchup


>2. chikens only lay eggs when males nearby so why kill them?(not sure if true but what i was told)
ok, here I am replying to the stupidest shit imaginable again.

the baby male chickens are ground up alive you ignorant piece of shit. this is not controversial. it's a fact.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/male-chicks-ground-up-alive-at-egg-hatcheries-1.823644


>3. fish is good source of vitimins
and pollutants. the ocean is trashed. why not get your vitamins without saturated fat, cholesterol, and pollutants?

>4. rather have us run around naked?
yeah, you fucking moron. jesus christ.


>5. bee vomit is a bi-product we techicaly eating bee shit for all we know, who is honestly gonna miss someone eating thier shit?
you got me there, that was a brilliant retort. you can eat their vomit/shit if you really want, disgusting freak.


>6.i love me some burgers
let me know how to like recovering from the heart attack. it'll help you feel better if you blame your genetics.

>humans are omnivorous

then why does eating cholesterol kill us?

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-do-we-know-that-cholesterol-causes-heart-disease/

why does cholesterol feed breast cancer cells?

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/cholesterol-feeds-breast-cancer-cells/

You ignorant bastard.

>>171266
so you admit there is something wrong with the slaughter of cows, chicken, and pigs?

You can stop killing them any time! Buy a can of beans next time, instead of the meat. Since you obviously understand that it's wrong.

>>171140
Saturated fat is the human brain's preferred energy source. Ponder that for a few minutes you self righteous faggot

>>171310
no, it's glucose. you ignorant peice of garbage. take a basic biology course.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1040618213006198

http://www.npr.org/2010/08/02/128849908/food-for-thought-meat-based-diet-made-us-smarter

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/25/13506.full

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/300092

http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-smaller-stomachs-bigger-brains/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cooking-up-bigger-brains/

>>171310
even if that were true, would that justify eating absurd amounts of saturated fat?

Your body needs extremely small amounts of fat AND it holds on to that fat very well.

People hear that we need fatty acids to live, and think OK I NEED BACON HAHAHAHA but that's wrong you fucking moron, you just need broccoli and leafy greens.

>hurr but plants don't have any protons hurrr

this has got to be coming soon

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v531/n7595/full/nature16990.html?foxtrotcallback=true

>>171314

We need vitamin b12 to live you can't get that from plants

>>171313
yeah humans did lots of terrible shit while evolving. humans also evolved raping and murdering. are you a caveman, or a human being?

are these practices we should keep around, or are they caveman tactics which are outdated in a civilized world?

these are rhetorical questions.

>>171316
That's why you have to kill animals for every meal?

You can't just fortified foods, or take a supplement once every 2 weeks?

B12 comes from bacteria BTW. the only reason meat has it is because it's so filthy. I choose to get my b12 is non-risky ways.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/08/09/vegetarian-depression-meat-study/

>>171320
is that all you've got? whole food vegan diets help fight depression. we have a wealth of scientific evidence supporting this.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/anti-inflammatory-diet-for-depression/

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/antioxidants-and-depression/

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/fish-consumption-and-suicide/

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/plant-based-diets-for-improved-mood-and-productivity/

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/best-food-for-antidepressant-induced-sexual-dysfunction/

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/fighting-the-blues-with-greens-mao-inhibitors-in-plants/

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/saffron-vs-prozac/

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/gut-feelings-probiotics-and-mental-health/

>>171321
>https://nutritionfacts.org/video/saffron-vs-prozac/
this one here is great. saffron is just as good as prozac WITHOUT sexual side effects.

that means saffron(a plant) is even better at fighting depression than prozac..

show me a piece of animal flesh doing something like that.

>>171237
Fuck you I love eating meat. And those Firefighters are Heros!

>>171323

I would love if you cared about the death and suffering you cause.

I'm okay with a plant based diet as long as it is GMO that is the only way to feed our increasing population on earth. Also would not mind cloned lab grown meat as it is cruelty free.

>>171058
Lol muh canine teeth. Have you seen a lion with real canine teeth?

Also have you seen a hippo as well? Some of the largest teeth in an animal and they are herbivores.

You are truly a moron.

>>171330
There's something about this topic that brings out the most absurd remarks.

I wonder sometimes if they're just baiting someone to call them a moron, so that they can label vegans as assholes and therefore invalid.

>>171321
>8 links to the blog of some quack that doesnt even read half the studies he makes videos on
>Literally named the vegan research institute until 2012
>Contradictory evidence? Naw just gonna keep cherrypicking data from studies that literally say the opposite of what Im claiming they say
My favorite was when he claimed a vegan diet will cure kidney disease, based on a study that states that jyst switching to low fat dairy does the same. But dont take my word for it. Lets hear what actual doctors think of his quackery
http://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illness-curable-by-veganism/
>>171322
This gem, based on 2 studies, neither checking for severe depression (the primary disorder prozac is prescribed for) and neither state anything about side effects differing in any meaningful way from prozac. The first study is about PMS and the second is "mild to moderate" and only a small clinical trial (40 people), not the large scale needed to get the FDA on board. Literally states at the end that a large scale trial is needed to confirm any of the findings.

>>171332
I don't really like the assumption that opposition is controlled. At the very least, you're arguing with a strawman of somebody else's construction instaed of your own. There's still some worth for that, because you're still deconstructing an ideology. It's easier to do than a more nuanced and personal argument. But that argument and the strawmanned ideology can still share basic principles. So you still get something out of taking it seriously.

I'm gonna go ahead and say as a consumer of animals and their byproducts, that I like the taste of meat. I understand the vegan position. I've got no desire to be obtuse about it. But I choose the arbitrary because I like the taste of meat and dairy. It's how I've been taught to feed myself. And I barely do that well enough in the first place, let alone do so with such a large, self-imposed restriction.

You give me working fabrication and sure. I don't really care about whether or not what I'm eating actually came from an animal as long as it tastes good and keeps me from being malnourished. That's kinda the point here.

Overt vegan shills suck ass. Keep your dietary habits to yourself, obnoxious fucks.

On topic, those firefighters are based, and that farmer is even more based. Bet those were good sausages

>>171341
Dr. Greger is a quack?

I see you are one of the deliberately ignorant. There's nothing that can be done for people like this.

For those who are interested in being healthy, you may want to here why Dr. Greger founded this website.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-story-of-nutritionfacts-org/

A plant based diet cured his grandmothers heart disease and she lived decades longer.

He has devoted his life to uncovering these hidden facts about food that can save lives.

If you don't want to be healthy, that's fine. But millions of people are suffering and dying because of their diets.

>>170973
New International Version
Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
New Living Translation
Then a voice said to him, "Get up, Peter; kill and eat them."
English Standard Version
And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
Berean Study Bible
Then a voice spoke to him: "Get up, Peter, kill and eat!"
Berean Literal Bible
And a voice came to him: "Having risen up, Peter, kill and eat!"
New American Standard Bible
A voice came to him, "Get up, Peter, kill and eat!"
King James Bible
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then a voice said to him, "Get up, Peter; kill and eat!""
International Standard Version
Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter! Kill something and eat it."
NET Bible
Then a voice said to him, "Get up, Peter; slaughter and eat!"
New Heart English Bible
A voice came to him, "Rise, Peter, kill and eat."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And a voice came to him saying, “Shimeon, arise, slay and eat.”
GOD'S WORD® Translation
A voice told him, "Get up, Peter! Kill these animals, and eat them."
New American Standard 1977
And a voice came to him, “Arise, Peter, kill and eat!”
Jubilee Bible 2000
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill and eat.
King James 2000 Bible
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
American King James Version
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
American Standard Version
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill and eat.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat.

>>171347
>Its not snake oil! The man who sold it to me said so!

>>171342
I didn't say the opposition is controlled.

What carnists do in these threads is basically a defense mechanism. Most people (with functioning brains) feel shitty about killing animals, so the mind creates concepts to cope.

These people are not looking for information. They are looking to make themselves feel better about their blood shed.

>>171351
If it has no emotions I have no problem in killing it, and fish don't feel pain.

>>171346
I'll stop pleading that you cease killing animals when you stop paying people to kill animals (several times a day).

if you want to kill so badly, can't you kill yourself?

>>171350
So you don't think that healthy food can cure disease

"an apple a day keeps the doctor away"

this is obvious shit that everybody knows. but now that we've got science to support it, moronic carnists get defensive.

>>171353
I don't know about the first comment but I hunt, and I donate one hundred pounds of good fresh meat to my lower class friend who has 8 siblings, a crippled mother and a dad who his mother left due to drugs.

>>171352
So you don't eat birds or mammals? That's a huge step in the right direction!

but if you think fish can't feel pain you should have no issue watching this video.

Skinned Alive - Cruel Catfish Slaughter Exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9M8cjXsL0

It really looks like it's in pain. And they central nervous system. This is a myth that makes fishing more fun, sorry.

>>171357
No i hunt deer, bear and grouse m8

>>171355
No, I meant kill YOURSELF instead of other beings you disgusting animal.

As if you don't support the meat industry because you hunt, that's a load of bullshit. Hunters still buy groceries.

>>171353
I would kill my own animals if I could cities don't allow farms, hunting is fine as long as you eat the animal you kill trophy hunting is wrong though as it is wasteful.

>>171346
Homemade stuff always is superior, especially from people who do it for a living. You know what I find funniest is the people who actually grow the food for the world are the ones that ranch too and don't give a shit about vegan nonsense. Animals are just another symbiotic crop to harvest to them. No wheat farmer in their right mind would stop ranching cattle since you want them to graze down the young plants to make them head out better later. Same for nut orchards and pigs. Rice and crawfish. So on and so forth. It's free money, tastes great, and lets you get maximum use out of things.

No right minded person that lives out in the country gives any ear to that suffering nonsense either because watching nature itself work is pretty brutal. Nobody would say a farmed rabbit or a bullet in a rabbit is terrible after you've heard a rabbit scream while a hawk or coyote is tearing it apart. People need to just get outside and stop living such sanitized lives. It's pretty much exactly like the lady in the OP said. You give the animal a pretty good life compared to what it would have in the wild and then make use of it when the time comes. Nothing bad about that.

>>171357
And I have no problem with watching that video, bc nerves keep going after death. Here's an experiment if you have the balls to do it. Cut a crab in half and spray the inside with water from a hose

>>171358
if you killed yourself, planet Earth would become a less violent place.

isn't that strange? couldn't it be different? could you not share plant food with your crippled mother? stupid asshole

>>171353
Well you know what I trust more than old sayings? The white paper that your guy cites that also says he is full of shit. You bought lies, it was shown to you he is lying and you defend the snake oil salesman because he says it saved his dear old nan? Are you this fucking stupid?

>>171359
I... don't buy meat.

>>171361
look at all these defense mechanisms

do you feel better now, killer?

>>171364
So you're saying that healthy food doesn't real or what

have you ever heard of an "antioxidant"? jesus christ.

>>170973
another way of thinking about this is animals that would of never existed and experienced any sort of life if we didnt eat them.

you know what would happen if we just let all those animals loose and didnt provide for them? devastation of natural resources of pretty much...everything. the sheer amount of food they require would have to be taken away from the food we would now have to eat since we cant eat meat, so any vegetarians proposal is: starve millions of people to feed the animals, costing billions since your no longer making profit
OR
let 800 billion creatures starve to death in cages so they cant devastate the environment and kill MORE animals
OR let them out and destroy the environment, kill 800 billion plus animals, and likely destroy millions if not billions of human lives.

no matter how you look at it, vegans want less animals to live

>>171363
Have you tasted good bacon? It's to die for.

>>171365
cheese and milk is much worse because the cow is tortured for a while before they make the beef

i bet you love ice cream you fat fuck. yeah you're saving the planet buy killing deer instead of buying a bit more animal from the store.

>i don't have to feel bad about eating meat because I kill deer instead

what the fuck is wrong with human brains that it's this easy to fool yourself?

>>171096
a perfect god would have everyone have a choice but coincidentally decide to believe in god and thus go to heaven no matter what. you wouldnt have to worry about if eating meat was unethical because that would be meaningless to the "forever and forever in perfect heaven" ending. hell, a perfect god would just...skip the whole, human life on earth part and move right to the heaven. are you unable to imagine THAT? surely, your defective. maybe you already have brain cancer?

>>171370
Jowl bacon is the best. You make it out of the cheek and the meat to fat percentage is much higher. It's the traditional new years dish with beans where I come from. It also still has the outer layer of skin so you get a nice extra crunch without having to overcook it.

>>171371
XD I USE TO LIVE ON A FARM M8 I THINK I HAVE THE ATHORITY TO SAY COWS LIKE BEING MILKED!!!!!!!

>>171369

are you serious?

>>171370

Of course I've had bacon. I grew up with a normal diet.

But when I became an adult I started taking responsibility for my actions.

First thing I did was to stop killing animals every day for no reason. I bought a bag of potatoes and have felt lighter ever since.

Why do you pay people to kill animals for you? Don't you know that it's not necessary or healthy?

>>171371
its in your sugar, its in your clothing, its in your medicine. its hilarious how vegans think they are superior because they dont murder animals for food, but "only for things actually less important to survive then food"

the liquid crystals in the lcd`s your using RIGHT now to tell people meat is murder, has a good chance of being made from cholesterol derived from animals. thats right, an animal died so you could tell people meat is murder and how you dont

>>171375
Do they like having their babies taken from them?

They cry for weeks you piece of shit. All so you can eat her baby's milk.

>>171376
...yes? do you have a logical solution to this that isnt fantasy?

>>171376
Potatos are a starch, starches make you hungry faster, the faster that you get hungry the shorter the gap between meals is, the shorter the gap between meals is the more you eat, the more you eat the fatter you get.
HA

>>171377
>its in your sugar
false
>its in your clothing
false
>its in your medicine
false
>your computer might have possibly have some animal bi-product
okay, maybe. Do you think that means I should eat meat for every meal?

How retarded are you exactly? Are you having trouble in every day life or just abstract concepts like morality?

Let me help you: morally speaking, it is better to kill LESS than to kill MORE. understand?

>>171378
We didn't...

>>171378
can you prove they even care? that they even have the mental faculties to?
can you even prove cows arnt assholes that would willingly give away their children for shelter and free food? vegans always assume that if animals could talk they would also be moral. id bet it would be pretty surprising to really hear what they can say. you think vegans will still feel bad for cows if they start spouting racist tirades about other animals and how babies make GREAT distractions from predators, so its good to have more

>>171383
so what you're saying is vegans have a obesity problem?

Do you understand how idiotic this sounds?

>>171368
Those goalposts arent even on the same continent. Your sources are shit. Saying "well he says healthy food is healthy so hes right" is vegan levels of retarded. Of course eating vegatables is good for you. Advocating abandoning meat and dairy and modern medicine on the word of a known liar who doesnt even read his source material is absolutely insane. Sourcing nutritionfacts.org as a reason that nutritionfacts.org is trustworthy is so stupid you must be trolling. You are every nigerian prince/bridge salesmans wet dream come true.

>>171386
So what you're saying is, mammal's don't care about their offspring?

Do you understand how idiotic this sounds?

Why do you feel no shame for how stupid you are?

>>171387
No im saying potatos make you fat aft you said you bought a bag of potatos and felt lighter ever since.

>>171384
>there are no medicines that are derived from animals
wew
>some sugar is not filtered using bonechar
wew
>implying some synthetic materials are made using animal products somewhere along the line

no, but when you demonise eating meat, the one thing actually important to survival in some cases, but consider it not murder to use meat to shitpost on your mobile phone you look a bit fucking stupid.
im going to be okay with eating meat because it sustains life
your okay with killing animals to post on reddit...so, i think im actually hilariously more morally correct

>>171389
I haven't moved any goalposts. You are just incredibly ignorant so I don't know where to begin educating you.

Now you're just lying about Dr. Greger. How is he a "known liar"? lol

He is a doctor organizing and sharing scientific studies which are far too complex for your cholesterol packed mind.

>>171390
you mean besides the huge variety of mammals that eat their own young

>>171391
Oh okay that makes a shit ton of sense now.

>>171392
that's not what I said. you're being dishonest now.


>i think im actually hilariously more morally correct
No you don't. Even if I am killing an animal to use this computer, I ate broccoli for breakfast.

That means that I caused less death today than you, you piece of trash.

By no measurement is a vegan less ethical than a carnist. It's basic math, deny it all you wish.

>>171394
hes too complex for us mere simpletons? So your the bastard who stole my fucking kool aid for your kult, arn't you?

>>171394
You could always read something besides what the nice hair tonic salesman wrote. You could even read his sources. Or anyone who has put him to more scrutiny than just watching and trusting his videos. Literally anything that isnt in your face vegan propaganda. But you arent even a vegan, youre a cultist at this point.

>>171395
>animals do some bad things therefore I should be even worse

is this how your mind works?

>>171398
haha that's hilarious

but seriously stop killing animals you fucking cunt

>>171400
>argument was you cant take animals away because they must be compassionate
>point out they arnt
>taking away an animal is worse then the animal literally eating its own children

oh wait you changed the subject because you had no counter argument. ill even answer that
>devouring your OWN children is less bad then
>eating another species
curb_your_enthusiasm_song.exe

>>171401
If I don't kill them what will stop the animals from running rampant in our streets? And I think a bullet is more humane than what wolves do to deer.

>>171386
Working with cattle is like being a tard wrangler in a preschool, except the tards weigh two thousand pounds. They're so stupid and they break fucking everything they can rub against or trample. They're so much trouble, nobody would bother with them if they weren't good for food and leather. People who humanize them should be forced to actually deal with daily shit of taking care of a few hundred head on a ranch for a month or two. It would shrivel up their sympathy real quick.

>>171399
nutritionfacts.org isn't a vegan website it's a health food facts website you dumb ass.

there's nothing about animals on the website. Dr. Greger is just a doctor trying to educate people like his grandmother.

She had heart disease and was sent home to die. She went vegan(whole foods though) and lived DECADES.

I'm sharing this, because heart disease is our #1 killer. There are people on this board with dying loved ones, and they need to know this before it's too late.

>>171403
>we can take away a cow's baby because some animals eat their baby!

this is your argument and you're a fucking retard bro

don't expect substantial responses when this is what you bring to the table.

go chock on a piece of chicken flesh already dumbass

>>171406
If heart desies is our #1 killer then we should be debating and debunking fat acceptance, not criticizing anons on a news board who you don't know the health status of.

>>171404
you pay someone to kill them for you

if you stop, they'll simply stop impregnating animals.

>wolfs are killers so that means I can kill too

Do you really hold yourself to the standards of a wolf?

Why do say such stupid things? Couldn't you have thought this through, and seen that it is not a logical argument?

It's fascinating how this topic turns anon into a blathering idiot.

>>171410
I am criticizing you because you pay people to kill animals for you every day you fucking asshole

what the hell is wrong with you?

>>171406
Youre a troll trying to make vegans look bad by false flag. Nobody is this dense. I refuse to believe someone can read and write english is this bad at making a coherent argument. Ill refer you back to >>171347 and hope you actually read something besides your supreme prophets holy texts.

>>171408
>we shouldnt save the baby cows life and allow it to live longer because that compassionate cow wants to eat its fucking child


this is your argument and you're a fucking retard bro

don't expect substantial responses when this is what you bring to the table.

go chock on a piece of tofu already dumbass

>sad_trombone

>>171405
another interesting point is vegans act like the cows today are what cows have always been, docile, easy going, slow and somewhat friendly to some degree. wrong, thats a 1000 years of us performing basically genetic modification by culling the undiserable cows and breeding the diserable ones. the cows of today are unfit to survive in the wild because they are designed to produce milk and the maximum amount of beef, while cows back then probably were mean little motherfuckers. it would be like tossing your newborn into the wild and saying good luck. just like human babies need human adults to survive, baby cows need human adults to survive. you think todays momma cow is gonna karate chop the lion attacking its young or..."compassionately" run the fuck away

>>171413
Missed the post, its >>171341 you need to read

>>171411
W8....
>>171353
O and I was saying that the way wolves kill deer is a fucking horror story.
1. The maul and wound the deers legs
2. They let it run until it falls over
3. They eat it dead or alive.
Would you rather that or a bullet.

>>171413
Yeah you don't need to reconsider how much death you cause because I'm probably just a troll

>>171404
also they aren't shot will a bullet, as you'd like to imagine.

They're killed in various ways. Often a stun to the head, followed by a knife to the throat.

Have you ever seen a cow's throat get slit? It's a huge neck. They have to get that knife all over to drain the blood.

And they don't die fast, because these are large animals with a lot of blood and will to live.

And don't forget that the baby male chicks are ground up alive. Is that better than what the wolves do?

>>171412
I kill them myself actually... tell you what. I'll call myself huntsman

>>171417
I shoot them with a bullet... but yet again I hunt my own food and use to live on a farm so what do I know...

>>171416
Are you a wolf or a human? or are too stupid to know the difference?

rhetorical questions

>>171420
No but that's not what I'm saying smartass, I'm saying a bullet is more humane then being mauled and chased down by a pack of wolves

>>171419
see

>>171359
you're no better than the average consumer

>>171421
wow you're like an ethical genius wow

what's worse, dying in your sleep or being thrown into a volcano?

DO TELL of the wisdom you know. Oh wise one. Please go on and explain how to be an ethical person!

It's okay to shoot animals why exactly? Because wolves don't shoot animals?

>>171422
Wow smartass, I said I don't buy my own groceries. I have 3 chest freezers full of meat I hunted and fished for myself.

>>171425
what a disgusting animal you are

like a wolf, without the wonder and nobility.

>>171423
I'm saying I'd rather their be fewer animals mauled by wolves because of overpopulation. I'd rather animals not enter human environment and wreck the place.

>>171428
yeah you're saving the deer by killing them.

you're such a good person, thank you.

>>171427
Then why do I give half my meat to the poor smartass?

>>171430
You don't know much about preditor/prey population relations do you?

>>171431
you do that to make yourself feel like a good person

but it doesn't matter how to feel. you kill animals for no reason.

you could just eat plants. but you're a selfish asshole.

hurry up and get heart disease, asshole. i recommend a low carb high fat diet.

>>171432
I do. And you're awesome.

Thank you for killing the deer with your gun, otherwise they might be killed by a wolf.

What the hell are you doing at the computer right now???? THE DEER NEED YOUR HELP.

AND THE HUMANS NEED YOUR MEAT. THEY CAN"T EAT PLANTS!!!!! my hero

>>171433
No I hunt to feed. I kill to keep others living. Your asking me to die bc that will save the animals. I'm killing the animals to feed those who need it. The difference is I'm fighting for creatures with more developed brains.

>>171434
I'm waiting for hunting season to make it so I can give an animal the more humane death than being mauled by a pack of wolves.

>>171435
yeah that's what I said, you're a HERO.


we have to kill the deer or the wolves will get them! and we can not eat plants. especially not canned beans.

We have to eat deer meat or we will fucking DIE

>>171306
all vegans and vegeterians liek to eat poop

>>171437
my hero

omg hurry up and ignore the hunting laws

this is an ETHICAL ISSUE man, fuck the law. you need to GO SAVE THE DEER WITH YOUR BULLETS

>holy fucking shit he is serious

>>171434
And you can't eat what you can't afford, especially when your trying to feed 8 others. I think that that poor family who lives in a broken rental home would love to stop eating the meat I'm giving them for free.

>>171438
Well he was eating YOUR dinner, I just hoped I got to the dirty thief in time before he shat on it as well.

>>171442
wow you really are a hero

you're saving the planet

because people on welfare have to eat deer meat or they'll die

they can't go to a soup kitchen and get free soup

YOU HAVE TO KILL THE DEER OR ELSE

there's a special seat in heaven for you, i bet.

>>171440
I'm not saying my side is 100% ethical, but I'm saying yours isn't ether, there is more then just " stop eating meat" to this issue, if hunting would stop then there would be massive starvation due to a mass population growth. This is a 2 sided coin and we are board needed to be on this planet. People like me regulate through hunting, and people like you make it harder to kill it to allow for some pop groth and prevent an accidental genocide.

>>171444
Most soups have meat...

>>171444
There are only so many soup cans in the world...

>>171448
>>171449
yeah, it's complicated. like that one guy said, even computers might have animal parts.

i guess you shouldn't bother being ethical. since it's hard.

i guess we should just eat animals without a care in the world

because of whatever stupid bullshit you're making up

>>171451
you probably aren't even a hunter. just some average lazy fuck with no morals.

>but some eskimos in africa need meat to live THAT'S WHY I EAT BACON EVERY FUCKING DAY ASSHOLE

>>171444
You need more variety in your diet or you will slowly kill yourself, and not everybody can afford a lot of tofu...

>>171448
Your shit joke isn't funny, mostly because it is a moral question of a hard and terrible life and death, or having less life so that all things can enjoy it.

>>171454
plants have all the variety you need.

you don't need to eat cholesterol, you fucking idiot. in fact, it's bad for you, in case you didn't know that.

why would you need to eat tofu? That's processed food anyway. To get the benefits of a vegan diet, you need to eat more fiber. That's when you start reversing shit like diabetes.

Plant foods are much cheaper than animal foods. Because they have to grow plants in order to feed animals.

Simple logic will show that it would be cheaper to simply eat the plants in the first place.

>>171455
Shit, wrong 1... meant to give the (you) to
>>171444

>>171456
Yes but if people stop eating meat the demand for tofu will skyrocket and if the demand goes up the price will as well.

>>171455
it's sad to watch a carnist speak of morals. in these moments I am reminded of just how little the average person has contemplated.

I assumed everybody pondering ethical issues and the meaning of things. But perhaps that was foolish.

>>171456
Vitamin deficiencies due to veganism... look it up.

>>171459
I'm sorry I'm part of your kilts outgroup but I don't trust you fuckers... YOU STOLE MY FUCKING KOOL AID

>>171461
Kult, fucking auto-correct.

>>171460
animals feel pain... look it up

>>171463
1. Pain threshold, look it up.
2. Not all animals feel pain, despite what PETA said.
3. Id rather those animals that feel pain have a painless death then die by getting mauled by a pack of wolves.

>>171465
deer feel pain. cows feel pain. chickens feel pain. pigs feel pain. goat feel pain. fish feel pain. and they feel that pain because of you.

thousands of animals will be slaughtered because you're too thoughtless care.

>>171466
1. Yes but that's why I give them a way to die without suffering. 2. 2nd verse same as the first. 3. No, they don't have the brain for it, why do you think a chicken can live without its head. 4. Repeat of one. 5. I don't eat or kill goats but refer to one. 6. No they don't and science confirmed it. Pain comes from the pleasure centre of the brain, that part of the brain fish, chickens, and many other creatures lack.

i'm sorry for replying to the namefag everybody

just look at that shit

>>171470
I refer to
>>171418
Bc you kept confusing me with other ppl

>>171470
Now if you will excuse me I'm going to the store... just to piss you off.

>>171471
either way, your posts are getting less intelligent so it's just a waste of everybody's time.

if you won't stop killing, then just try and get a disease as soon as possible.

that way less animals will die.

>>171473
it doesn't really piss me off because I know you're going to suffer in your final days. but that's your choice, and it's what you deserve.

A vegan diet is devoid of essential nutrients to leading a healthy diet.

>>171474
You can't even tell me the colour of my eyes, and you think you know I will suffer before I die? I would tell you to pull your head out of your ass but I believe you need to see the shit your collecting to help fertilize your crops, because god knows what you'll do if we use THE ANIMALS shit to fertilize!

>>171479
I knew you were lying about buying groceries

>>171425
>I said I don't buy my own groceries
>>171473
>I'm going to the store...

So yeah, i know you pretty well. Enjoy old age and don't worry about your arteries.

>>171482
I just said I'm going to the store, I never said I would buy anything. I'm going to walk bc im a healthy person.

>>171479


Here's where i said that btw, you lying sack of shit.

>>171359
You fake ass hunter.

>>171482
>>I knew you were lying about buying groceries
>not living next to a grocery store

>>171483
You said you were going to the store "just to piss me off" implying you're going to buy meat.

Walking isn't going to help. Only triatheletes exercise enough that their arteries compare to vegan arteries.

You can find that one on nutritionfacts too, you slob.

>>171486
>Only triatheletes exercise enough that their arteries compare to vegan arteries.
source?

Mods could you ban everyone in this thread including me.

>>171484
I was going for a walk, I said I was going to walk to the store, and I said it was JUST to piss you off. I stated my intentions, you just misread.

I'm okay with a plant based diet as long as it is GMO that is the only way to feed our increasing population on earth. Also would not mind cloned lab grown meat as it is cruelty free.

>>171490
>>171329
go away monsanto

>>171487
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/arteries-of-vegans-vs-runners/

>The carotid arteries of those eating plant-based diets appear healthier than even those just as slim (long-distance endurance athletes who’ve run an average of 50,000 miles).

>>171489
You're lying. It's getting awkward. Shut up.

>>171491
GMO is safe and healthy prove me wrong.

>>171489
Don't forget to take your BB gun. Your might need to wrestle your hot pockets away from a deer.

>>171495
1. I use a 7mm Remington magnum.
2. I'll get back to you when I'm home.

>>171496
We have established that you're a liar. A fake hunter looking to justify his cheese addiction.

You're probably just jerking off.

Why did this happen to my thread.

>>171098
>I also invested 3.3 trillion to encourage the end animal of slaughter.

You didn't invest that much a group did.
Meat is delicious and one of my favorite dishes is foie gras. The suffering makes it taste better

>>171500
Well you didnt read the full post. They said they didnt invest.

>>171497
No I was testing you, you were building straw man arguments out of my statements And I wanted to see if you even knew the rules of logic in a argument so I threw the most obvious case of "begging the question" that I could have made. You fell for it without stating it was one which confirmed my suspicions of you just talking out of your ass. I did walk to the store but I didn't buy anything. I did it to not be a liar, and I used it as a timer to see if you would even notice the bait... you didn't, your too angry and full of yourself to see what I'm talking about. I am not a savage wolf that you can hunt down with twisted logic, I am a huntsman who knows how to call his prey, and now your in my crosshairs. Concider this me pulling the trigger.

Because you support slaughter on an unprecedented scale.

No war or genocide can compare. And they slaughter and maim these animals for you.

Pigs are castrated. Chickens have their beaks burned off. Cows have their horns torns from their skull. Cows are impregnated, have their offspring taken from them, and are strapped to milk sucking machines. They suck so hard that it wounds the utter and blood/pus enters the milk. But you don't care about any of that.

Cause it tastes good.

>>171498
Bc peta came.

>>171504
For

>>171498

>>171503
>i wasn't lying about groceries I was testing you

Lolol

>>171507
Just leave and don't tread on me ever again.

>>171505
I thought you were going to stop posting and go on a walk

Lying faggot

>>171509
Did you decide to stay inside because you're surrounded by dangerous deer and wolves?

>>171507
I just posted a silly local news story man. You don't know what I support.

>>171508
Straw man, I said... fuck it.
>>171479
Tell me where it said I was going to buy anything.

>>171510
When did I say that oh great builder of straw man? I just said I was pulling the trigger

>>171498
Hey, buddy, I think he's gone.
PARTYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

>>171513
Lol so you're a vegan?

Fuck you. Stop paying people to kill animals 3+ times a day you garbage

>>171494
I will sidestep that issue by saying that monsanto has ruined tons of small farmers because they were allowed to sue them out of business if those farmers had a single plant with monsanto's patented gene was found on their land.
so fuck off monsanto and their ilk

Vegetarians are also least likely to be invited to Sunday BBQ and holiday dinner

>220 posts on a quirky local interest story
>All thanks to the stereotypical vegan who knows stone nothing about animals
>If you lean into your monitor, you can even smell the patchouli

>>171533
You are a net harm to planet Earth

Thousands of animals will be ground up and dismembered alive, all for you.

You could have eaten beans or fruit. But that was just too difficult.

Sorry animals! That beak must be removed. Those squiggly tails can be fed to the pigs they came from. And sorry cows, you're getting months of rape before that knife cuts you up. It's really important that humans eat unhealthy food.

>>171536
implying plants like getting ripped wholesale out of the ground and then ground up en masse

face it, you cause suffering regardless, it's just a matter of degrees.

if you hold prevention over human pleasure/survival you should probably advocate voluntary extinction- granted that won't help either because after we're gone the darwinian horror will continue until the end of the universe.

>>171538
I feel so stupid for never making this connection. Wow. Thank you. Fuck this hippie diet lol.

I've been vegan a while, but I always had this idea for free meat. Since ypu shared your wisdom, I'll share my idea. You know can get free pets right? There's tons of places literally giving away animals. All you have to do is pretend you want a pet.

I'll go pick up a dog and a few cats tomorrow. How do you recommend I kill and cook them?

>>170973
I'll be thinking of you next time I get fifty dollars worth of barbecue

>>171540
I'm not a vegan anymore the guy above just blew my freaking mind

I'm going get free meat like I always wanted. Do you want some dog or cat too?

>>171538

You are wise . . . You need to start a hunger strike..

>>171541
I wouldn't recommend it, dog and cat don't taste very good

Dog actually tastes good. A lot Loire a good roast. Common dish in[arts of Asia.

Right now, at this very moment, on American highways, there are no less than 5,000 concentration camp trucks. Trucks that we’ve constructed.

Inside these trucks there are living, terrified, innocent beings (such as) cows, pigs and chickens. These trucks are being driven to concentration camp slaughterhouses that we’ve carefully constructed all across America.

When the trucks arrive, the animals are so frightened they won’t even get off the truck. They’re not stupid. They know what’s next.

So people go on the trucks with electric prods and force them to walk down the chutes to their own death. Or if the animals are small enough to manhandle, like chickens, we’ll just grab them off the trucks and toss them inside.

Inside, these innocent, living beings are hanged upside down, fully conscious. In other words, they go in alive against their will and come out chopped up into hundreds of pieces.

>>171564

I think this type of behavior is inexcusable and unbecoming of a species that claims to understand right from wrong.

The animals have not done one single thing to us to deserve the wrath and the cruelty that we hurl on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt4lweBJTQs

>>171075
>Even people dying of cancer can REVERSE their disease with a whole food vegan diet.
That's what killed Steve Jobs.

>>171140
>Can you make a joke without displaying your ignorance?
Clearly he can, because the only one here displaying their ignorance is you.

>>171406
>nutritionfacts.org isn't a vegan website it's a health food facts website you dumb ass.
a)that's wrong
b)you're retarded
c)just kill yourself already

>>171456
>you don't need to eat cholesterol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholesterol#Hypocholesterolemia

>>171492
Nutritionfacts is a propaganda website, not a source.

>>171524
Monsanto is a shitty organization it does not mean GMOs are bad

>>171539

stewing them would be good carnivores are chewy.

>>170973
Wow this obvious bait hooked everyone

>>170951
>"I'm sure vegetarians will hate this," she said.
Yeah I do I think it's stupid

>>170973
>1 to 6.5 trillion bees enslaved because you like bee vomit
?
they're not trapped in the hive, and if you don't give them an artificial one, they'd just go make their own

>>170983
I eat gravel, you people just harm the world's ecosystem

>>171594
Yet it means that until patent laws become unfucked in this country, I cannot endorse GMOs.
Also GMOs don't currently increase crop yields of farmers. They offer either herbicide resistance or produce an insecticide. The herbicide resistance isn't all that helpful, since the non RR plants eventually develop a resistance to roundup. The insecticide isn't as helpful either, because the insects eventually develop a resistance and the insecticide may kill other helpful insects, upsetting the ecosystem.
see https://web.archive.org/web/20080702201720/http://www.soilassociation.org/web/sa/saweb.nsf/848d689047cb466780256a6b00298980/3cacfd251aab6d318025742700407f02!OpenDocument for the crop yeilds

>>171616
Bait? Reminding you of the suffering you cause is not bait.

You unethical piece of shit. Or do you donate money to homeless people sometimes? Does that counteract killing thousands to feed your disgusting habits?

>>171594
>judging monsanto's business tactics while your gut holds a dismembered animal

>>170973
Just because of this post, I'm going to start killing my chickens, And let them bleed out in pain before de feather them.

>>171737
you ain't going to do shit you lazy ass mindless pussy.

you're going to do whatever your dick and taste buds command, just like you do every day.

The search for evidence of at least one vegan that isn't an insufferable faggot continues.

>>171753

>insufferable
you cause suffering to thousands of animals for no reason.

to use that word in this context shows how small your world view is.

>>170951
This isn't news

>>170983
>anything outside an omnivorous diet is unnaturl and unhealthy
Anything outside an omnivorours diet isn't edible

>>171737
doesnt the fear make the meat go bad?
or at least taste different

>>171771
>no reason
but I eat them? that's a reason

>>171811
you never heard of a vegetarian? they've been around the entire time.

>>171841
Reason implies justification. And there is no justifying your blood shed.

Pretending that vegetarians are a myth doesn't make you any less of a unethical piece of shit.

boo hoo my uncle has been a vegetarian for 46 years and never had any disease.

>>171976
Reason does NOT imply justification, stop making up definitions to words

>>171987
>uncle has been a vegetarian for 46 years
such beautiful words. thanks for sharing.

>>172020
yes it does, we are speaking english. don't cling to technicalities for the sake of making some dishonest point that nobody gives a fuck about.

it's bad enough you're a killer. don't be a liar too.

>Definition of reason
>a statement offered in explanation or justification
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reason

This ridiculous argument is so pathetic it's funny.

Murder of Animals is IMMORAL!!!
Murder of Plants, yea, we're ok with that.
LOL!

You can't fix the hypocritical stupid, you can only point and laugh.
42279

>>172024
>killing a cow is the same as plucking a flower

carnist logic

really makes me glad I don't have excess cholesterol stuffing up my brains arteries.

>>172030
Both result in death just one matters more to you.

>>172040

BINGO!!!
You can't fix the hypocritical stupid, so just enjoy laughing at them.

>>172040
Can plants feel terror?

Can plants feel agony?

Can they love their offspring? Can plants mourn a loss?

Do plants have a central nervous system, giving them the ability to feel pain? I know that you're ignorant as dog shit, so the answer is no.

There is no comparison. You can lie to yourself, of course, that's what you must do to justify your slaughter.

But this is no solace to the animals you torment.

>>172043
Do you really think that it's stupid to not kill animals?

Why is it stupid to cause less suffering?

>>172049

Do plants grow towards the light?
There is a comparison and that is the plant obviously wants to LIVE.

Death=Death
No matter how you figure it in your head, you're still a hilarious hypocrite.

>>172060
Are you proud of this logic? Is this enough to justify killing 7000 animals?

>Yeah, sure animals have brains and love their babies... BUT PUH-LANTS GROW TOWARD DA SUN HUUUUUURR

pls pls pls get heart disease soon

>>172066

I must admit, most people when proven a hypocrite reassess their logic, but not you. You are determined to stay a hypocrite.

Are you even aware animals kill and eat other animals?

Your lack of common sense is so embarrassing I'd have to say you are a child of Monsanto.

>>172066
As long as you eat meat in moderation eating meat is very healthy and part of a balanced diet.

>>172071
>Are you even aware animals kill and eat other animals?

WAIT WHAT??? WHAT KIND OF ANIMALS DO THIS?

>>172072
processed meat is literally a class 1 carcinogen dipshit

there is nothing healthy about cholesterol. ANY of it is bad for you, and you likely eat it with every meal.

when you eat cholesterol, it hardens and thickens your arteries. saturated fat also does this, which all meat has.

you know what else meat has, you ignorant fuck, TRANS FATS. YES all meat has trans fats. Why isn't it banned? Because people like you don't really care about being healthy.

So go enjoy your cholesterol, saturated fat, and especially the cancer promoting hormones.

I'm gonna have some beans, and get my food without the shit that kills.

>>172076

I don't have a problem with you being a vegetarian.
YOU have a problem with me and others eating meat.

So, according to your snowflake logic, that makes you a "RACIST"

Point and laugh, folks, point and laugh.

>>172076
I don't eat processed meat my dude plenty of people eat meat and live to 100+ and live happy and fulfilling lives!

>>172078
it's not just processed meat though. processed meat is just worse.

>>172075

here's some information on cancer for those that care

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/protein-intake-and-igf-1-production/

>Animal protein consumption triggers the release of the cancer-promoting growth hormone IGF-1.

cancer is scary enough without promoting it's growth, isn't it? we should eat foods that fight cancer instead.

>>172078
>plenty of people eat meat and live to 100+ and live happy and fulfilling lives!
and some people do the same while drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes

does that mean you can smoke cigarettes and do the same? of course not, some people are just lucky.

>>172077
>I don't have a problem with you being a vegetarian.
Why would you have a problem with me eating plants?

Don't make ridiculous comparison. There is no equivalence.

I don't have a problem with you "eating meat" I have a problem with you KILLING ANIMALS.

Please stop. Stop supporting this daily slaughter. Just eat something that didn't suffer.

>>172082
I would rather live a happy life eating meat you are free to choose how to live your life my friend. Genetics play more of a roll in longevity then diet as long as you get proper nutrients which meat eaten in moderation provides you too can live a fulfilling life!

>>172085
Plants suffer when you kill them they just express it differently.

>>172089
>my friend
I am not your friend. You are a mindless killer.

Thousands of animals will suffer and bleed to death because of you.

Spare me you exclamation marks faggot. Enjoy that increased IGF-1.

>>172093
I will thank you have a wonderful day!

>>172095
Your faux kindness is disgusting.

Your gut is full of dismembered and tortured animals.

Yet you care that I have a wonderful day? Bullshit. You haven't got the capacity to care for another being.

>>172097
Of course I do I'm human the only animals who can!

>>172099
Yeah humans care

that's why >>170973 right?

You care about that? Of course not. Lying creepy faggot, fuck off already.

>>172100
I care about the suffering of higher being.

>>172085
Why would I have a problem with you eating plants?
It makes no sense to you?
lol
The hypocrisy can see if the focus is on them it's irrational if they KILL a living Plant and eat it, that's morally ok.

But they can't see eating an animal as being ok.

It's your inability to see that Murder is Murder and if you can kill a plant then you can kill an animal, SAME MORALITY.

You like to "think" you have a higher morality, but you don't. It's just your delusional imagination.

And it's funny. It's really funny.
Eat your beans and toot, lol.

>>172080
i should have posted this about IGF 1

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/igf-1-as-one-stop-cancer-shop/

>>172103
No you don't That's just something to "justify" killing thousands of animals to yourself.

It's funny how easily humans can lie to themselves. Literally, "plants grow toward the sun though," is enough for some minds to be okay with killing.

That's what separates us from the animals. A total disconnect from reality.

>>172105
We are animals.

>>172104
If you expect me to believe you have an issue with me eating beans, you're even stupider than cholesterol intake can explain.

This is just one of the many mental gymnastics people use to kill. You cannot convince me that killing animals is morally just, so your next best chance is to convince me that morality is confusing.

But it's not.

Killing is wrong. And you don't have to kill.

>>172106
then stop killing them and us

why the hell would you kill something that's just like you?

>>172107
you don't have to kill either plants deserve to live if they didn't we would cut them all down.

>>172111
>plants deserve to live

Do animals deserve to live too?

>>172112
Of course neither should be eaten we should subsist upon the energy of the sun.

OMG
Are you just getting it???
Killing BOTH Animals and Plants is MORALLY WRONG!

You're a hypocrite to kill a plant and say killing an animal is wrong, lol.

>>172113
>>172115
So you admit that killing animals is morally wrong.

There's progress. Maybe you aren't hopeless.

Now, since you admit that killing plants and animals is wrong, let's examine what is worse?

Is it worse to kill plants OR animals and the plants required to feed them?

Now basic math will show that it is more ethical to eat plants than thousands of animals and plants.

Now what's your next mental gymnastics?

>>172117

Killing=Killing
Death-Death

There is no "worse"

That's like saying, which is worse, enslaving a black man or a asian woman?
They/re both wrong, and by trying to create a moral justification that way makes you a horrible, horrible person.

>>172117
Im glad you want the ecosystem to destroy itself by setting all of those animals WHICH CAN NO LONGER SURVIVE IN THE WILD free. Really progressive. MUH FEES FEES

>>172117

which is worse killing a baby or adult? I say both are wrong therefore we should eat neither meat or plants only solar energy or radiation.

>>172119
>trying to create a moral justification that way makes you a horrible, horrible person.

This is basically a weak attempt at a "no u" You accidentally admitted that eating animals is wrong, something we all know, so now you have to turn the table on me.

But it doesn't work that way. We can talk about my flaws. Juding you makes me a dick? Ok. Well killing animals makes you a monster. You kill mammals for breakfast, lunch, dinner and more.

There is zero comparison here and I don't buy to for a second.

>>172122
are you suggesting that you are being compassionate by enslaving and slaughtering trillions of animals? because they can't survive in the wild?

>>172123
this is complex and you aren't remotely capable examinig this issue. you don't even understand teh most basic form of morality (not killing)

you can say that killing is wrong, but if you really understood this, you would not kill.

>>172125
>this is complex and you aren't remotely capable examinig this issue.
Why don't you answer it for me as I asked you.

>>170973
>The average meat eater will consume 2000 animals in their lifetime

is that it? I'm pretty sure I eat that many animals in one year.

#bulking

>>172131
>bulking
yes your arteries are bulking up

does the heart and brain use arteries? nevermind... you can't possibly get protein from a plant. no choice! what a shame.

>>172128
That is the kind of thing I ponder often. You don't care anyway.

It's not my job to answer every moral dilemma. I'm here to discuss the obvious, DON'T KILL.

That's a basic good we can all strive for.

>>172132
If you don't want to answer it you don't have to you obviously can't answer this question and that is okay.

>>172135

you're desperately trying to steer the conversation away from the suffering you cause

is it worse to kill a plant or an animal?

if you don't want to answer it you don't have to obviously you won't because you're a dishonest unethical coward and it's not okay.

>>172125
>let them go, have them all die on thier own time and cause a dreadful mess
>kill them off and keep the cycle going, keeping the ecosystem clean and consumers happy

Putting a Cow on the same level as a Man is morally abhorrent and you should neck yourself,they dont have souls like we do

>>172140
I never did that

It's wrong for you to kill cows when you could instead kill beans.

It couldn't be any less complex. Stop causing unnecessary suffering. It's not just a little bit, it's thousands of animals.

and all you have to do is eat something else.

>>172132
Jesus Christ you are such an insufferable faggot. Whatever though, you go and rage about how the whole world is wrong and damned and you and your small select band of elitists are right and blessed. Humans eat meat and have done since forever, this is a fact. Humans have adaptions that enable and encourge meat consumption, our stomachs produces enzymes that are specific to the digestion of meat if we are only suppose to eat greens then why do we not have multi chambered stomachs like a fucking cow?, vitamin B12 is only found in meat and is something we need, meat is so rich is easily tapped energy that it is perfect food for if you want to go out and actually do something, our teeth are shaped for an omnivious diet.
A case can probably be made for reducing meat consumption, as humans have grown more sedentary and can more easily grow fat from over consumption, but anyone who says that meat should be completely cut from a persons diet and that anyone who eats meat is evil is a pathetic, coddled, sheltered, dickless, moron to say the least.
Humans eat meat and are better for it.
Stop being a fucking faggot.

>>172144
Please stop paying for people to torture and kill animals.

Can't you just eat some plants like me? I know it sounds gay, but what you're participating in is a nightmare.

>>172145
Why the fuck do you care? How is your life affected?

>>172148
O_O

>>172149
>emoticons
>>>/reddit/

>>172150
were you serious?

>>172145
>Please stop paying for people to torture and kill animals
No. Because I don't believe removing humanity from nature is good for the long term survivel of either. Factory farming is immoral, but I don't want human culture to denormalise the consumption of meat, because once that happens, then hunting and raising animals will become taboo and our survival as a whole will take a hit. Also animals are needed for medical research, once eating animals becomes taboo, then so does using them for medical experiments, medical research grinds to a halt, this is not good for humanity.
>Can't you just eat some plants like me?
No, because I'm a human who wants to do things and be the master of my environment, not some gormless fucking cow munching on grass and tossing myself off over how morally superiour I am.
>I know it sounds gay
It does.
>but what you're participating in is a nightmare
It's not a nightmare, it's reality, and it's perfectly fine to the eye of a well ajusted human being.

>>172151
Obviously

>>172152
>a well adjusted human being.

>>172148
>Why the fuck do you care? How is your life affected?

>>172152
>Factory farming is immoral

>>172152
>it's perfectly fine


>>172154
Okay. I think you may be hopeless.

>>172155
Nothing here is an arguement. If you wanna starve and spend 50 dollars on beans just to get a decent serving be my guest. Or get off your ass and force me to stop. Enter politics maybe?

>>172158
I don't have an argument for someone who doesn't care about others.

What can be done? Should I inform you that beans are not expensive? lol

Please just die already so someone with empathy can take your place.

>>172155
>Lolololololol I'll quote back things other people have posted back to me, what now.

You are a prime simptom of the decay that is caused to society and the individuals in it as humans because more sedentary and sheltered as tecnology progresses, I'm not bemoaning the advance of tecnology, I'm simply pointing out the things that can go wrong if we don't keep them in check.
You are decay.
You are a faggot in it's purest form.

>>172159
>"others"
>empathy
are reserved for humans and other humans. Unless your a furfag extending your emotions onto souless animals that do not comprehend existence is only hurting you, because you'll never know peace from your self-made hell. Good lord of all the shit to be upset about , "muh animulz". Nigger we've bred so many of them that if let loose they'd die on their own. We only kill ugly animals after all.

I bet your one of those people who dont do shit for others, never donate to charity or help your community, but will tear up when a dog dies in a movie.

>>172160
What are you saying? I was just selecting some of your quotes which I found odd, leading me to judge you as hopeless.

Understand now?

If you weren't that the anon in both posts then stop replying for other people dumbass.

>>172162
I don't kill animals every time I eat

That's doing something. And I've been committed to this for about a decade.

Do you donate to charity? How much do you have to donate to counteract killing thousands of animals for no reason?

Couldn't you be vegan and donate to charity?

>>172162
>We only kill ugly animals after all.

carnism is disgusting

>>172166
Nobody cares what you think be happy you are not tasty.

>>172159
>I don't have an argument for someone who doesn't care about others.
But that is where you're wrong kiddo, I do care and have empathy for others, the difference is I care about the beings that ensure the long term survival of the species, I care about the people who survive injures, illnesses and conditions that they would have otherwise suffered or died from were it not for medical research, something we wouldn't have if we lived in your perfect world. I care about the destruction of green land, as it cannot be hunted on. I would go as far to say that I care more than you do as I have personal, emotional investments in these things, you only "care" because it makes you feel better than everyone else.

>>172165
You not eating meat has almost zero effect on anything. Your "im superior" protest has such an insignificantly tiny effect on the world I dont understand how you could even remotely feel acomplished.
>Do you donate to charity?
I am charity in the essence I save lives
>How much do you have to donate to counteract killing thousands of animals for no reason?
"No reason" translates into cheap food to feed tens of millions. You act like these soulless amalgamations could do anything on their own other than simply exist and destroy the ecosystem,given the numbers they exist in.
>Couldn't you be vegan and donate to charity?
Obviously yes.

Your problem is that you don't mind your own business and somehow think you have the right to question the diets of other people.
>but meat killz U!!!!!
so? is life about who lives the longest?
>its immoral
So is being alive in general, but you mayaswell be a fucking human and be the apex creature you are.

>>172168
>I do care and have empathy for others

this is really simple.

animals feel pain.

if you cared, you would stop causing them pain.

>>172171
Animals aren't people, therefore they are not "others" they are simply animals. They have no instrinsic purpose other than to bend to the will of mankind,as written biblically.
>I DONT BELIEVE IN BIBLE
Ok, then by natrual selection alone we came out on top with natrually superior intelligence. Do what YOU want anon,and Ill do what I want

>>172171
Humans matter more then animals.

>>172170
>You not eating meat has almost zero effect on anything
false, you don't grasp how much the average person consumes.

the last numbers I heard were that meat eaters eat about 7000 animals in their lifetime.

That's a huge difference I'm making. And every time I buy food I am supporting vegan food options and changing our industries.

There have been HUGE investments encouraging this. Trillions.

Plant milks are growing rapidly and getting better, as well as nut cheese.

It does matter man, you don't have to support this shit.

>>172172
>Animals aren't people, therefore they are not "others"
carnist logic


>Do what YOU want anon,and Ill do what I want
>dude I don't care that you eat plants so don't judge me for killing thousands of animals for no reason

you really should be careful when "thinking"

all that heme iron is oxidizing and you're making it even worse

>>172175
>Humans matter more then animals.
and cows matter more than potatoes

birds matter more than apples

and pigs matter more than carrots

it's so simple

>>172177

Definition of charity

a : generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering;

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/charity

>>172180
Which is why I eat all of those things humans matter more then animals.

don't delete this post faggot

>>172177


>>I am charity in the essence I save lives
>AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>*breaths*
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>172182
Sometimes I think that this is a matter of intelligence because you just don't seem to understand the logic

it's like the part of your brain that likes chicken nuggets is more powerful than the part that comprehends what a chicken is.

>>172175
This.
>>172171
Humans, with their larger brains (enabled through the consumption of meat as they are an organ that consums alot of energy) have a much greater scope for experencing suffering, that is no to say that animals don't feel pain or can't suffer, no one here is advocating the torture of animals, and when I say torture I mean actual torture as in the intensional infiction of pain, not the fake "torture" that is simply an unfortunate biproduct of the killing of an animal though hunting, slaughter or experimentation which humans in general make efforts to minimalise or eliminate when possible.

Ergo, humans matter more.

>>172178
>carnist
Meaningless buzzword. If you hold a chicken at the same level as a man your clinically insane.
also
>being an authoritarian bootlicker,wanting to prevent me from eating what I wish
Fuck off and do your own thing
>>172183
>saving lives isn't charity
>working in EMT isn't charity
I do more for society than you faggot, I guarantee it

>>172185
humans matter more than cows

cows matter more than plants

do you follow my logic here?