http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-russia-investigation-trump-business-follow-money-2017-7?utm_source=feedburner&%3Butm_medium=referral&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Inside%29
>Special counsel Robert Mueller has expanded his investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election and whether the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow to include an examination of President Donald Trump's business dealings, Bloomberg reported Thursday.
>"FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008," Bloomberg said, citing a person familiar with the matter.
>Trump told the New York Times on Wednesday that Mueller would cross a line if he began digging into his finances. But in early June, Mueller began hiring lawyers with extensive experience in dealing with fraud, racketeering, and other financial crimes to help him investigate whether Trump or his associates conspired with Russia to undermine Hillary Clinton during the election.
>The follow-the-money approach began with a money laundering case initiated by former US attorney Preet Bharara last year, according to Bloomberg.
>Mueller — who was appointed as special counsel in May to lead the FBI probe after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey — is also homing in on money laundering and the business dealings of Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Bloomberg said.
Bayrock and Trump SoHo
>One of Trump's real-estate advisers in the early 2000s, the Russia-born businessman Felix Sater, was accused nearly two decades ago of being a co-conspirator in a $40 million fraud and money-laundering scheme involving four Mafia families. Trump worked with the real-estate firm at which Sater was an executive, Bayrock Group, on at least four projects that ultimately failed, including the Trump SoHo in Manhattan.
>A lawsuit brought against Sater and others in 2015, which is ongoing, alleges that "for most of its existence it [Bayrock] was substantially and covertly mob-owned and operated," engaging "in a pattern of continuous, related crimes, including mail, wire, and bank fraud; tax evasion; money laundering; conspiracy; bribery; extortion; and embezzlement."
>The lawsuit was first filed in 2008 by Bayrock's former finance director, Jody Kriss, who accused Arif and Sater of cheating him out of millions of dollars via fraud, money laundering, and racketeering, among other misconduct. In December, a New York judge ruled that the lawsuit could move forward as a racketeering case.
>According to that complaint, Sater and Arif began negotiating with the Trump Organization in 2003 to market certain projects under the Trump brand, but didn't tell Trump about Sater's criminal past.
>In a 2007 deposition, Trump said his organization never would have agreed to partner with Bayrock Group on the development of Trump SoHo had he known about Sater's past. Trump also testified that he would not be able to identify Sater if they were standing in the same room.
>Bayrock's office was once two floors below Trump's in Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue. A person familiar with the matter — who requested anonymity for fear of retribution by Sater or his associates — told Business Insider that Sater and Trump had standing meetings each week.
He is hiring nothing but Clinton cronies and he is expanding the Russia nonsense to a personal witch hunt.
Trump needs to fire this Mueller schmuck.
>Sater has said in a deposition that he met with Trump "on a constant basis," Bloomberg has reported, and Kriss told the publication that Trump valued Sater's loyalty — and his Russia connections.
>"It's ridiculous that I wouldn't be investing in Russia," Trump said in a 2007 deposition. "Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment."
>Sater was evidently still in touch with Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, as recently as late January. The two met at a New York hotel on January 27 to discuss a peace plan for Russia and Ukraine that was drafted by a Ukrainian politician, Andrey Artemenko, The Times reported. Cohen was said to have delivered the plan directly to Michael Flynn before he resigned as national security adviser on February 13, though Cohen has disputed that in subsequent interviews.
>Sater showed Ivanka Trump and her brother, Donald Jr., around Moscow in 2006 when their father was scouting real estate in Russia. They stayed for several days at the Hotel National Moscow opposite the Kremlin, according to The New York Times.
Miss Universe in Moscow
>Mueller is apparently interested in learning more about Trump's relationship with Aras Agalarov, a billionaire Azerbaijani-Russian developer who paid Trump $20 million to bring his Miss Universe pageant to Moscow in 2013.
>Agalarov came under renewed scrutiny earlier this month when The New York Times reported that his son, Emin, brokered a meeting between Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer last June at Trump Tower. An email chain released later by Trump Jr. showed that Emin's publicist, Rob Goldstone, had arranged the meeting on his behalf.
>While in Moscow, Trump had dinner with the CEO of Russia's largest bank, Herman Gref — a Putin ally whom Trump met, along with at least 10 other Russian businessmen and oligarchs, while he was in Moscow for the pageant.
>"The Russian market is attracted to me," Trump said shortly after the meeting. "Almost all of the oligarchs were in the room."
>He also tweeted: "TRUMP TOWER-MOSCOW is next."
>Gref recommended that Sergey Gorkov be appointed the new CEO of Vnesheconombank — a bank under US sanctions — in January 2016. Gorkov met with Kushner in December 2016 at Trump Tower for reasons that are still unknown.
>Reuters reported in May that the FBI was examining whether Kushner entertained an offer from Gorkov to finance the Trump family's business ventures in exchange for the administration relaxing or lifting economic sanctions on Russia.
Deutsche Bank and Dmitry Rybolovlev
>As Trump praised and defended Russian President Vladimir Putin along the campaign trail, many questioned whether the real-estate mogul had any financial incentives — including business ties or outstanding debt — to seek better relations with Moscow.
>The Washington Post has reported that "Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities" since the 1980s, "and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world." The Trump Organization is also believed to have received loans from Russia when it was struggling in the 1990s, the report said.
>The family's bank of choice has long been Deutsche Bank, which was the only bank willing to loan to Trump after he lost others money in a series of bankruptcies — something he figured "was the bank's problem, not mine," he wrote in his 2007 book, "Think Big: Make it Happen in Business and Life."
>"What the hell did I care?" Trump wrote. "I actually told one bank, 'I told you you shouldn't have loaned me that money. I told you the goddamn deal was no good.'"
>Deutsche Bank was fined earlier this year as part of a Russian money-laundering scheme that involved its Moscow, New York, and London branches. The bank refused in June to hand over documents requested by five Democratic lawmakers related to the bank's relationship with Trump, citing the confidentiality of nonpublic customer information. But the FBI is likely to get ahold of them.
>Questions have also been raised about Trump's relationship with the Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev, a multibillionaire who was an early investor in one of the world's most lucrative fertilizer companies. Rybolovlev bought a Palm Beach property from Trump for $95 million in 2008, two years after Trump had put it on the market for $125 million (after purchasing it for $41 million in 2004.)
>2008 was a rough year for Trump. According to PolitiFact, that was the year Trump Entertainment Resorts missed a $53.1 million bond interest payment and filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy to reorganize.
>Rybolovlev's cash infusion into Trump's bank account is believed to be the most expensive home sale in US history. At that point, big banks were highly reluctant to loan to Trump, who had lost them money.
Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort
>The FBI is also examining whether Russian officials suggested to Kushner that Russian banks could finance Trump associates' business ventures if US sanctions were lifted or relaxed, Reuters reported last month.
>The possibility first came under scrutiny after Kushner met with Gorkov, the CEO of Russia's state-owned Vnesheconombank, in December 2016. The meeting came on the heels of Kushner's meeting with Russia's ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak, at Trump Tower, in which he reportedly floated the possibility of setting up a secure line of communication between the Trump transition team and Russia.
>Kushner suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities in the US to communicate, which would essentially conceal the Trump team's interactions with Russian officials from US government scrutiny, The Washington Post reported at the time.
>Kushner's meeting with Gorkov, the struggling bank's CEO, came as Kushner was trying to find investors for a Fifth Avenue office building in Manhattan that is set to be heavily financed by Anbang Insurance Group, a firm with ties to the Chinese government.
>That deal ultimately fell through, but the Kremlin and the White House have provided conflicting explanations for why Kushner met privately with Gorkov in the first place.
>Meanwhile, Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman, has faced questions about whether he received cash payments reportedly earmarked for him for his work with former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's political party throughout the 2000s. The New York Times reported on Wednesday that Manafort was in debt to pro-Russian interests as recently as last year.
>Manafort has also come under scrutiny for more than a dozen bank accounts and companies he set up in Cyprus beginning in 2007 that were linked to offshore companies, NBC reported, one of which was used to receive millions of dollars from the Russian oligarch and Putin ally Oleg Deripaska.
>>159246
Calm down and read Trumpski before you shoot your mouth off.
>>159254
You jews have no idea what danger you are in. Too many people know your game. You will have no country to escape to this time.
If you really attempt to impeach you will all die.
>>159256
GO ahead, try to fulfill your murder boner, we all know how insecure all you alt-right are, so go out there and get yourself shot by a cop, just one less racist in the world.
>>159246
Like the "War On Terror", this isn't supposed to have an ending.
This is a perpetual PR harvest by the pravda, meant to provide "scandal" and fuel for the Dems to resurrect their dead party. In their mind they're 'stick it back' to the Republicans they called obstructionist for eight years for not giving Obama everything he wanted on the spot.
All of this noise and STILL no one can point out any criminal wrong doing. They will cite laws they claim were broken yet STILL provide no evidence or happenstance of the law actually being broken. Every argument they make always boils down to "wait and see! wait and see! just imagine! wait and see!" Trump Jr is allegedly under fire for allowing himself to be entrapped by a "Russian agent" (who works very closely with the DNC and who's entry into the US was approved by the Obama DOJ) for receiving political dirt on the Clintons. Meanwhile you're totally supposed to ignore Obama and the FBI agreeing to pay a private UK intelligence firm (spies) to dig up a "dossier" full of 'dirt' on Trump to aid the Clintons, a dossier that was most likely fabricated, and and every-time the newest piece of fabricated collusion narrative sputters out and dies for being a farce, they whip up something new and hope no one notices the obvious tu-quoque streak.
The MSM and various agents in the Intelligence Community are actively waging a coup attempt for their own profit and political gain, and people eat it up because it's easier to believe in phony Russian hacking narratives than it is to believe Clinton was such an unlikable candidate that in addition to losing, a DNC insider -and not Russia- 'leaked' emails to outline corruption in the party. Hence why the DNC has refused to let anyone but a single private IT firm that works exclusively with the DNC to inspect their servers.
"But NYT and WaPo anonymous sources tho"
>>159259
I'm not threatening you. I'm giving you advice.
If you want to survive, then you have to stop this witch hunt. You have to accept the election. You have to accept that your queen Hillary will never be president. And you have to stop trying to start a civil war just because you were prevented from turning the US into Bolshevik Russia.
If you don't then you will not make it out alive this time. Too many people know.
I'm trying to help you guys.
What this in fact boils down to is the dems want to make it a crime to win against Hillary.
They found no hacking, so they moved on collusion. They found no collusion, so they moved on to business ties.
They will never stop, until someone finally locks them all up in concentration camps, where they belong.
holy shit the fucking state of this thing. like, even ray charles could see this is a witchhunt
All I'm hearing from you righties is "MUH CLINTON! MUH WAPO! MUH NYT!" Here's the thing, above link is from Business Insider, not WaPo nor NYT, so why are you still holding your hand over your ears and going "LALALAALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU?" Could it be you're just a bunch of non-americans? A bunch of Putin fuck buddys? Or are you just a bunch of grammar dropouts like down below?
>>159274
>>159275
nice bait
This probe started to see if there was collusion. There's nothing there and so it has just become digging to see if they can find anything else. They are TRYING to turn this into a Watergate level scandal, desperately
>>159269
>They found no hacking, so they moved on collusion. They found no collusion, so they moved on to business ties.
Everyone knows hacking happened before the election.
Nobody thought trump was responsible for the hacking personally, but there's evidence he might be in collusion with that.
In order to investigate collusion, we need to know his transactions. One way to do that is look at his finances.
>>159277
What will your reaction be when Trump orders Mueller fired?
>>159243
Mueller is going to close the circle:
1) Prevezon was involved with laundering Russian oligarch money into Manhattan real estate.
2) Some or all of this real estate was in Trump properties.
3) Natalia Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin work or worked for Prevezon.
4) Those Prevezon agents met with Trump Jr, Manafort and Kushner promising dirt to help Trump Sr win the election.
5) Trump Sr wins the election.
6) Trump Sr fires Preet Bharara and a suddenly insanely generous settlement is made with Prevezon Holdings the day before the trial was set to begin.
The Prevezon Holdings case, the Agalarovs, Trump's Russian money ties and the Trump campaign's collusion with Russian nationals to influence the election are all parts of one and the same conspiracy.
In which case, Trump will have no choice but to attempt to remove Mueller, we aren't talking Trump family members getting charged with incomplete SF-86 forms here. The penalties for a conspiracy of this magnitude would be SEVERE.
>>159265
Lololo you assume that anon is jew how do you know he isnt an islamic poster who isnt trying to fragment the united states so he can start a caliphate here.
I mean fuck nigga you are making huge assumptions.
>>159283
What penalties? For what crime?
Doing business with Russians is not illegal. As much as you want it to be.
>>159283
[citation needed]
>>159286
>>159288
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-v-prevezon-case-settlement-russia-money-laundering-2017-5
>The investigation into whether Prevezon, a real-estate company incorporated in Cyprus, laundered millions of dollars into New York City real estate garnered high-profile attention given its ties to a $230 million Russian tax-fraud scheme and Russian lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, whose suspicious death aroused international media attention.
>Magnitsky uncovered the scheme in 2008 on behalf of one of his clients at the time, the investment advisory firm Hermitage Capital. He was later thrown in jail and died in custody, and an independent human-rights commission found he had been illegally arrested and beaten. The Kremlin maintains that Magnitsky died of a heart attack.
>(The founder of Hermitage, William Browder, sought justice for Magnitsky in the US and Europe after Magnitsky died. In 2012, Congress passed the Magnitsky Act, which authorizes the president to deny visas to, and freeze the assets of, Russians believed to have been complicit in Magnitsky's death.)
>The US government had been investigating the $230 million scheme that Magnitsky uncovered — and what happened to the proceeds — for nearly four years. Prosecutors said the funds from the elaborate scheme had been laundered via shell companies and real-estate purchases.
>The trail ultimately led to Manhattan, where Preet Bharara, then the US attorney there, accused Prevezon in September 2013 of receiving "at least $1,965,444 in proceeds from the $230 million fraud scheme" in early 2008 via wire transfers from at least two suspected shell companies through the Southern District of New York. The company then invested those funds "in various New York properties," according to the complaint.
>>159286
>>159288
>>159290
So the Prevezon case that lead to the murder of the Magnitsky that the sanctions bill was named after (MUH ADOPTIONS!) was about the laundering of Russian oligarch money into the US and using at least some of it to buy Manhattan property.
It was always rumoured that some or all of the Manhattan property bought in the money laundering scheme was in Trump properties, but this was never confirmed. It was rumoured that Trump was the only one who would take anyone's money in a real estate deal with no questions asked.
And now we know two people acting on behalf of Prevezon set up a meeting with Trump Jr, Manafort and Kushner to offer them dirt on Hillary as part of a concerted effort by Russian nationals to help Trump get elected.
And we know that Preet Bharara was fired by Trump and a crazy sweet deal settlement was offered to Prevezon in the money laundering case.
The obvious inference from the expansion of Mueller's probe is that he believes these are CONNECTED and that the firing of Preet Bharara and dismissal of the case against Prevezon Holdings was a quid-pro-quo for the assistance of Prevezon's agent's in getting Trump elected.
If this turns out to be true the charges would start at RICO, and extend to criminal conspiracy, money laundering, bribery, obstruction of justice, etc. etc. It would literally tie Trump Sr directly to the $230 million money laundering case against Prevezon Holdings.
>>159290
So you want to impeach Trump because some Russian didn't pay his taxes in Russia?
What the hell?
>>159302
>So you want to impeach Trump because some Russian didn't pay his taxes in Russia?
>What the hell?
This isn't about what *I* want, I'm telling you what is is the obvious inference of Mueller's investigative direction in light of facts already known.
It is self evident given what we know about the Prevezon Holdings case and Trump Jr's meeting with two people working with Prevezon about influencing the election campaign, and all of the lobbying about the Magnitsky Act by people working for or with Prevezon, that Mueller expanding his investigation into:
>"FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008," Bloomberg said, citing a person familiar with the matter.
Is an attempt by Mueller to connect all of the dots between Trump Sr, Trump Jr, Manafort and Kushner and Prevezon Holdings and the Agalarovs into a single conspiracy.
If Trump knowingly aided a Russian money laundering operation run by Prevezon by selling them properties and then subsequently agreed to make the case go away in exchange for help in winning the election, Trump would be guilty of a long list of crimes in the US.
None of that is to say that Mueller is necessarily CORRECT in his belief that these are all related, that remains for the evidence to show. The only thing I added is that IF it IS true, then Trump has no choice but to go all-in and try to fire the guy since he'll be utterly fucked if it's true and the investigation comes to fruition.
>>159312
> two people working with Prevezon about influencing the election campaign
You don't know that. And even if this no name Russian wanted to help elect Trump. So what.
>>159312
>If Trump knowingly aided a Russian money laundering operation run by Prevezon by selling them properties and then subsequently agreed to make the case go away in exchange for help in winning the election, Trump would be guilty of a long list of crimes in the US.
So now Trump didn't collude with Putin but with some low level Russian gangster? Because then he could order Russia to drop the charges against him? Or what?
Your theories don't make any sense.
>>159313
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Veselnitskaya
>Natalia Vladimirovna Veselnitskaya (Russian: Haтáлья Bлaди́миpoвнa Beceльни́цкaя; IPA: [nɐˈtalʲjə vʲJsʲJlʲˈnʲit͡skəjə]) is a Russian lawyer who has been an outspoken advocate in the United States against the Magnitsky Act. Her prominent clients include Pyotr Katsyv, an official in the state-owned Russian Railways, and his son Denis Katsyv, whom she defended against a money laundering charge in New York.[1][2]
>Her June 2016 meeting with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort in Trump Tower has attracted attention related to Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[3][4][5][6]
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/donald-trump-jr-meeting-rinat-akhmetshin-natalia-veslenitskaya-russsia
>Grassley identified Akhmetshin as a pro-Russian lobbyist working on behalf of Prevezon Holdings, which until recently was under investigation by the U.S. Justice Department over allegations that it had laundered $230 million stolen in a tax-fraud scheme. The Magnitsky Act is named after the Russian attorney who uncovered the scheme, Sergei Magnitsky, who later died under mysterious circumstances in a Russian prison.
They both worked directly for Prevezon holdings. Precisely the issue is that they offered Trump Jr, Manafort and Kushner help to win the election and then after the election Trump Sr fired Preet Bharara and the Prevezon Holdings case was settled for peanuts, and NOW Mueller's investigative turn is suggesting something that people already suspected: Some or all of the US properties in the Prevezon Holdings case bought with laundered Russian money were sold by Trump Sr.
>>159315
No one knows or cares about these no name Veselnitskaya and Prevezon Russians. No matter what they did.
>>159315
Who the hell is Vladimirovna Veselnitskaya . I thought this was about collusion with Putin.
>>159314
>So now Trump didn't collude with Putin but with some low level Russian gangster? Because then he could order Russia to drop the charges against him? Or what?
>Your theories don't make any sense.
Participation in one scheme does not preclude participation in others. All of these ties to the Prevezon Holdings case and the Agalarovs may or may not be separate from several other areas that Mueller has been investigating.
>Find no evidence of collusion
>Have to start looking for bullshit in Trump's finances
The liberal desperation is palpable.
*spams misleading partisan articles like it's their job*
>>159336
I don't contest any of the facts in this story. I'm just opposed to the fact the government is wasting tax-payer money on this "Russia Probe", opposed to all of these media outlets reporting this nonstop, and all of the news heads reposting this story everywhere adding fuel to the fire.
there are virtually infinite better news story that we could discuss on the board but for months everything has been clogged with this shit
>>159318
Russian gangs tend to have power in the russian government, it's part of why it's government such a shithole.
>>159339
So you're opposed to national security?
>>159345
whew easy with the loaded questions there
relative to the history of geopolitics it's a reach to call a politician engaging in international business a threat to national security
>>159348
>relative to the history of geopolitics it's a reach to call a politician engaging in international business a threat to national security
You understand that the accusation here is that a U.S. political candidate engaged in a conspiracy with foreign national to influence the outcome of a Presidential election in return for making a $240 million lawsuit against those same foreign nationals go away, yes?
>>159349
key phrase "the accusation"
and even if that was true exactly how you phrased it it's not that serious the stuff would have leaked anyway
>>159350
I understand that your only purpose in participating here is to engage in politically motivating shilling, but could you at least try and treat basic logic and commons sense as a constraint?
Of course it is only an accusation at this point, as the very news article this thread is discussing says that Mueller is only turning to actively investigate whether all of these things are connected now. It's only AFTER Mueller investigates that you COULD have anything more than an allegation. That is the whole purpose of having an investigation.
As to your suggestion that it would not be serious if a U.S. Presidential candidate knowingly and deliberately collaborated with foreign nationals to influence the outcome of a Presidential election and repaid their help by sabotaging a $240 million dollar civil suit that would have implicated that Presidential candidate as well is "not that serious" I will just laugh at you. If it turns out that there is evidence to prove this, Trump is fucked because this case is simple enough to explain to flyovers and have them understand what happened (unlike most of the other avenues of Mueller's investigations).
>>159353
>politically motivating shilling,
*politically motivated shilling, rather.
>>159353
laugh all you want, we'll see how the trial goes
I think he's going to get a not-guilty
I'll save all the tired Clinton analogues and maintain the stance that relative to the way average politicians have business questionable dealings behind closed doors it's unfair to single out Trump here
Anyone care about Uranium One and the ever growing Hillary hit list? Or the spying on the Trump campaign by Obama with no evidence which he continued after still finding no evidence? These are going untouched while this Russia narrative drones on.
https://www.google.com/amp/idahostatejournal.com/opinion/columns/evidence-of-obama-administration-wiretapping-trump-compelling/article_efe77691-00df-5814-85d1-f3e43394bb34.amp.html
All I'm going to say is Trump's finances are about as squeaky clean as the Clinton foundation. The are both corrupt they both launder money. The only thing that the Clinton foundation has over Trump's finances is that we have a body count, where as there have been no dead body's directly connected to Trump finances that we know of. As far as this whole shit show of trump beating Hillary in the popular vote he lost but the electoral votes he won. You may not have to agree with how it all played out but that's how it happened. I personally hated both but then again I'm a felon so I don't get to vote. Before all of you trump fans or Hillary fans start trying to troll me just do yourself a favor and jump off a bridge, this nation is and would have been fucked either way. They are both sides of the same shit scenario it doesn't matter what side of the coin it landed on.
>>159369
correct post
>>159253
>>Meanwhile, Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman, has faced questions about whether he received cash payments reportedly earmarked for him for his work with former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's political party throughout the 2000s. The New York Times reported on Wednesday that Manafort was in debt to pro-Russian interests as recently as last year.
>>Manafort has also come under scrutiny for more than a dozen bank accounts and companies he set up in Cyprus beginning in 2007 that were linked to offshore companies, NBC reported, one of which was used to receive millions of dollars from the Russian oligarch and Putin ally Oleg Deripaska.
Paul Manafort is for sure screwed. I think he's the only one that's really in big legal jeopardy.
>>159294
>And we know that Preet Bharara was fired by Trump and a crazy sweet deal settlement was offered to Prevezon in the money laundering case.
Preet's firing was coincidental. Sessions was firing all of the prosecutors and Trump approved it.
>>159393
That's the least of his worries. If he gets extradited to the Ukraine the new government there will torture and then murder him.
>>159395
You believe that to be the case. Mueller clearly is investigating the possibility that you are wrong, since it it would very neatly close the circle on Trump and Prevezon Holdings. Time will tell who is right.
P.S. If Trump fires Mueller it's basically an admission that Mueller is right about this.
>>159396
>since it it would very neatly close the circle on Trump and Prevezon Holdings
Connections to which exist solely in your mind.
>Time will tell who is right.
Again, yes. It won't be you. Again.
>>159243
This is government funded opposition research for Democrats in 2020. Trump needs to shut this down, immediately. Not tomorrow. Not next week. Right the fuck now. And any Republican who speaks out against it should be primaried. Enough is enough.
>>159398
Yes, yes, I'm totally sure it's nothing but a purely innocent series of coincidences that Prevezon Holdings was accused of laundering Russian oligarch money into the US to buy condominiums in Manhattan, and that two of Prevezon's employees subsequently had a meeting with Trump Jr, Manafort and Kushner to collude with the Trump campaign to try and get Trump elected and also discussed the sanctions named after a lawyer killed for reporting on the Prevezon Holding's money laundering scheme and then after Trump became president Preet Bharara was fired and the day before the case was set to go to trial it was settled for chump change.
These events sound TOTALLY unrelated, and I'm sure that Mueller is looking into these exact events because he's bored and has nothing better to do.
:^)
>>159396
>If trump fires the democrat running the witch hunt, it totally proves trump is a russian spy
Are you niggers this delusional? Do the world a favor and end your bloodlines. Seriously. You are a cancer and must be cleansed for society to thrive. You contribute nothing of value and you won't be missed. I'm not joking.
>>159409
More idiocy. It is a simple matter of strategy that if Trump believed he could come out of such an investigation relatively unscathed he wouldn't risk the scandal that firing Mueller would cause.
Firing Mueller is essentially an all-in move by Trump, and not a strategic choice he would make lightly. This is a simple matter of basic strategy and has nothing to do with whether you think he is guilty or not. It would be insane to pay the potential political price for firing Mueller UNLESS you were guilty and had nothing to lose.
>>159406
[citation needed]
Reminder: sources citing anonymous or unnamed sources are not valid pieces evidence, neither in court nor on here.
;^)
>>159294
>>It was always rumoured that some or all of the Manhattan property bought in the money laundering scheme was in Trump properties
>And we know that Preet Bharara
What you apparently don't know is that preet bahara's investigation into shady real estate deals in Manhattan and NYC was focused pretty much exclusively on NY Democrats, I.E- Sheldon Silver, and the "three men in a room", which at the time included Andrew Cuomo, a well known Hillary groupie.
You're taking an investigation focused primarily on Democrats and you're projecting it onto Trump because you're attempting to create controversy where it simply doesn't exist. You're a literal disinformation agent.
>The obvious inference
Not obvious in a courtroom.
>firing of Preet Bharara and dismissal of the case against Prevezon Holdings was a quid-pro-quo for the assistance of Prevezon's agent's in getting Trump elected.
Pure conjecture, not admissible in court.
>If this turns out to be true
>If
Like every other facet of this investigation so far, it wont. You simply cannot make fiction into reality, no matter how hard you cry and point fingers and poison the well.
>>159420
>>159421
Can you guys try some reading comprehension?
I have not claimed that all of these events involving Prevezon ARE linked, but rather that Mueller must believe them to be linked since that is the exact direction in which he is widening his scope.
His investigation will reveal whether they are linked, but I will say that Trump sure did start talking about bright lines and firing Mueller and pardoning himself and his family and his associates really fast after it leaked that Mueller was heading in this direction.
It's also obvious that Trump should not be willing to risk the political price pardons and firing Mueller would cost if he was innocent, as it would be retarded to pay the price if you didn't think Mueller would find anything.
>>159423
>It's also obvious that Trump should not be willing to risk the political price pardons and firing Mueller would cost if he was innocent, as it would be retarded to pay the price if you didn't think Mueller would find anything.
Trump values loyalty of people around him. Similar concerns were brought up when Flynn was fired. I don't see it as anymore than Trump not wanting people around him suffering for political shit. I think Trump is innocent.
>His investigation will reveal whether they are linked, but I will say that Trump sure did start talking about bright lines and firing Mueller and pardoning himself and his family and his associates really fast after it leaked that Mueller was heading in this direction.
I don't see it as any more than Trump feeling intruded. He's said before he was willing to release his tax returns. Even if he hasn't yet, it means he's not ashamed of it.
>>159423
>I have not claimed that all of these events involving Prevezon ARE linked
No, you just keep insinuating and poisoning the well. Totally "different".
>rather that Mueller must believe them to be linked since that is the exact direction in which he is widening his scope.
Or that it's simply another end to tie off, and that it doesn't actually necessarily mean he believes them to be linked. This is again, poisoning the well.
>but I will say that Trump sure did start talking about bright lines and firing Mueller and pardoning himself and his family and his associates really fast after it leaked that Mueller was heading in this direction.
The only people I've heard talking about Trump firing Mueller and pardoning himself and his family are the same MSM talking heads and well poisoners who get all of their information from anonymous sources "close to the investigation", and who still think Comey was personally leading the investigation into Trump, which is why he got fired. He wasn't, and that entire narrative got tucked away right quick.
>>159383
Division shit post huh, shall I instead say how no matter who they were investigating they would both be fucked. How both have corrupt dealings with one person or organization? No shall I just focus on Trump is that what you want? Ok ok Trump is so corrupt that instead of trying to cover it up he is just going to keep firing any of the investigators that "dig to deep" into his family's finances now if he truly didn't have anything to hide like so many of the Trump fanatics say and think then he would have nothing to hide. But no he is going to keep doubling down and fighting these investigations that look into his finances because he knows he would be fucked. Now think for yourself why would he be the first president who hasn't released his taxes in over two decades? Why would he fire Comey when he dug into Trump's past dealings? Why has Trump done half of the idiotic stuff that would be unheard of of a president? Don't be going to stupid websites like breakbarts or whatever it's called just for once trump fans think for yourself. I know it's hard but try it don't look to the news weather it be fox cnn or anything else use what common sense you have and think as Trump as a normal guy and you would think he is shady as fuck.
>>159246
>Trump needs to fire this Mueller schmuck
ph because firing the person investigating you worked so well for nixon
>>159377
Thank you Anon I believe in sharing the truth not a one sided opinion. If your going to speak or type shit you better have as much of the facts as you can.
>>159426
>He wasn't, and that entire narrative got tucked away right quick.
He wasn't purposely sabotaging it either witch is why Trump ultimitely fired him.
>>159438
Yes Nixon was too soft. We all know that. But I guarantee you Trump will not make the same mistake.
If there are wide spread lefty protests the DHS is more than ready to kill them all. They love Trump. They think he is Jesus.
>>159421
can we seriously just lynch Hillary from a tree or something so you idiots can stop blaming her and referencing her for all of Trumps downfalls and illegal acts?
>>159475
Hillary, Soros, the DNC, Washington DC, the media
It's all one and the same (((entity))). When someone says Hillary he really means all of the above.
>>159261
This whole post reeks of desperation and mental gymnastics.
Your empire crumbles.
>>159278
Celebrate, Trump would be making the same mistakes Nixon did.
>>159243
Fucking finally. We first heard about this shit last fall. The crap with cyprus bank and Bayrock and Soho is ironclad.
>>159518
Does this mean you understand the Cyprus Bank/Bayrock side of things reasonably well? Are the Agalarov's connected to this stuff? I understand this half of the Russian oligarch real-estate money laundering picture way less than the Prevezon Holdings side.
>>159353
Not everyone is a shill, most of them are just very, very stupid. It's better not to engage. It will only make you angry at their stupidity and they will never be able to grasp the big picture. They need things cut down into small easy to comprehend chunks. They want to see the pisstape, they want to hear a recording of Vladimir Putin and Trump discussing how to rig the election together. Their puny minds can't comprehend it otherwise. Your posts are an exercise in futility. Just wait for the investigation to conclude.
>>159522
I actually think one of the main reasons the Prevezon Holdings aspect of this investigation would be so dangerous for Trump if it is true is that:
Trump sells condos to Russian oligarchs laundering money though Prevezon-> Prevezon offers to help Trump win the Presidency -> Trump wins the Presidency -> Trump makes the Prevezon Holdings case go away
Is easy enough to follow that most Americans will be able to understand it and understand why it's bad in a way that would be much more difficult to communicate than the Trump admin's dealings with the Kremlin or the Cambridge Analytica/Russian oligarch money into online political advertising stuff would be.
Trump's apparently hysterical reaction to Mueller's move in this direction suggests Trump knows that this aspect of things is much more dangerous for him and his family, too.
>>159474
LMAO the thing I find the funniest about you trumplets is your adolescent violence fantasies. It makes it so clear who the youngest of you are, because you all spout "j-j-just wait when the d-d-day comes! All you liberals are gonna be MERDURED! The army a-and the DHS a-and the m-marines are gonna show up and kill all the commies! That'll show you!"
Like, I can't believe you guys really believe it. It shows how desperate you really are. You realize that the only way that your inane arguments, theories, and crackpot ideas about governance will ever move forward in the world is if every other voice of reason gets shot in the street. And to be so delusional to think that the government is actually going to shoot it's own citizens based on political affiliation, it's both sad and hilarious. How are those death squads working out? Seen a single case where your supreme orange over(weight)lord had his opposition killed?
>j-just you wait and see!
Yeah right lmao. He's more likely to tweet out a fit of autistic rage than he is to actually command death squads. He can't even get fucking congress to cooperate with him, and he has a full majority. And you guys seriously think he has any political pull within the military.
It really shows how underaged you guys are. And it makes sense - you're losers, no friends, and you need some sense of community, so you willingly brainwash yourself in the name of kek and now you've basically cemented your social alienation - but hey, you helped win an election, right? Even though most of you can't vote l m a o
But I've gotta ask - do you really think you're scaring anyone? You really think tough words on the internet are gonna intimidate ANYONE? I mean for fucks sake, this is 4chan, edginess is not some new unfamiliar phenomenon.
No, us oldfags, it just makes us laugh. Because you /pol/tards are just the newest iteration in a long line of newfaggotry which peaked during chanology and has only gotten more pathetic since.
>>159526
>calls himself oldfag
>falls for obvious bate by typing 10 pages of autistic Commie rage
Anon. Please.
>>159529
You're a fucking idiot and you know it. Please stop. I can't handle your cringe.
>>159531
>>159532
You deleted your post and now you can't even type english.
Please end this shame. Kill yourself.
>>159534
Classic example of a false flag operation
>>159246
Agree.
Mueller needs to go.
>>159283
Assuming this were true, none of this is illegal or even morally reprehensible
>>159540
>Assuming this were true, none of this is illegal or even morally reprehensible
In case anyone ever wondered if there was any limit to the moral and ethical bankruptcy of right wing authoritarians, here is your answer.
>>159541
>democrats murder hundreds of people to stay in power
I see no problem here.
>republicans do business with russians
THE MORALITY!
>>159543
Please keep your unhinged fever swamp conspiracy theories to yourself, thank you.
>>159546
Like your election hacking fantasies?
Btw. The only evidence of real election hacking points to Obamas DHS.
https://fcw.com/articles/2017/06/21/dhs-election-hack-carberry.aspx
>>159256
Types some fat sack of shit who spends most of his time asleep or online
>>159547
As I said, please keep your unhinged fever swamp conspiracy theories to yourself, thank you.
This thread is about Trump's links to Russian oligarch money laundering into US real estate and the Trump campaign taking a bribe of help to win the election to make the Prevezon Holdings case and the Magnitsky Act go away.
>>159528
Even if he is calling out a troll, the alt right idiots are vaguely mental just in the way he is describing. These threads are always full of "die you shills," and "Trump's gonna gas the Jews." It's not convincing anyone, it's not making a case for conservative ideology. They just get some sick thrill out of it. Now there's a term for people like that, and it's "assholes." Everyone I've known in real life who's like that doesn't get laid except with people as mental as they are. And then when they see how mental they are they complain about how awful women are on /pol/. I'm just wondering how people who actually care about making political progress can stop this nonsensical extremism and restore some sort of dialogue. Because you can't engage with them, can't antagonize them, and can't reason with them. I guess we don't have to, Trump's fan base is a 25% fringe, maybe we just need a third party to isolate all the Cletuses from the moderate Republicans and Democrats.
>>159635
But you gotta admit. The world would be a lot better without Jews, Niggers and Muslims.
>>159635
The way you type you are either a homosexual or a women.
So let me explain what is going on here. You have lots of young men and they see an enemy. They want to kill that enemy. And that's it. There is no grand mystery.
>>159823
Anon was right, you must never get laid