Europe dead set on killing white baby boy despite the Vatican

>>154327
>"The domestic courts concluded that it would be lawful for the hospital to withdraw life-sustaining treatment because it was likely that Charlie would suffer significant harm if his present suffering was prolonged without any realistic prospect of improvement, and the experimental therapy would be of no effective benefit," the court said in a news release.
>Life support is expected to be discontinued Friday.
>The ruling to end Charlie's life support, against the parents' wishes, brought reactions from around the world.
>On Sunday, the Pope called for the parents to "accompany and treat their child until the end."
>"The Holy Father is following with affection and emotion the situation of little Charlie Gard and expresses his closeness to his parents. He is praying for them, in the hope that their desire to accompany and care for their own child until the end will be respected," the director of the Holy See Press Office, Greg Burke, said in a statement.
>On Monday, Trump tweeted his support for Charlie's parents as doctors in London prepare to turn off his life support.
>"If we can help little #CharlieGard, as per our friends in the U.K. and the Pope, we would be delighted to do so," Trump posted.
>Charlie's parents appealed to the UK Supreme Court to decide the best interests of their child. After they lost that appeal, the 10-month-old was due to have his life support switched off at the end of the day June 13.
>Gard and Yates then filed a request with the European Court of Human Rights, an international court based in Strasbourg, France, to consider the case, but the judges there also ruled in favor of his doctors.
>London and and European courts have ruled that Charlie must be pulled from life support and that he will not be allowed to die at home.

>>154327
The kid's fucked, there's no reason to allocate anymore resources onto it.
However, if the parents are willing to pay to keep him alive temporarily, then they should have the right to do so.

People in Europe seem to think they have rights.
They Dont.

>Death panels don't exist with socialized medicine

>>154331
So you would spend $2 million USD to give a deathbed child 2 more weeks of life?

>>154336
So you think you have the right to tell a person to not use their own money to give their own child a possibly life save procedure?

>>154336
>money is more important than life

>>154338
but are they using their own money? obviously not

>>154338
If they were using their own money they'd be broke. Socialized medicine gave those parents the same result but didn't leave them bankrupt like they would be in the US. The baby is terminally ill, it's not going to live. and is probably in pain if it's conscious so where the hell do you get off prolonging its suffering for your shit for brains argument that socialized medicine is somehow worse than what the US has?

>>154327
Have you not been paying attention?

Doctors and the courts said treatment was pointless and only prolonged his suffering.
Even the fucking people behind the experimental treatment in America say that it is not designed for someone as far gone as as this child, that it would NOT work for him and would only make him suffer more.

The Pope & Trump just needed to ask more questions before going public with this absurd hope.

>Europe dead set on killing white baby boy
OP is deliberately being deceptive.

>>154343
>people behind the experimental treatment in America say that it is not designed for someone as far gone as as this child, that it would NOT work for him

No, the america doctor just said it wouldn't reverse the brain damage.

>>154341
They crowd sourced 1.6million obviously alot of people want to support them and want the child to get the surgery.
>>154342
Are you mentally ill? Socialized medicine isn't going to do anything for this child but put him down like a dog. And they still arnt paying put of pocket for the treatment in America so they still ant broke. in America the parents would have the freedom to make the choice to get a procedure that could cure this human being and possibly give him a chance at life. The fact that you think the state should have the power to decide life and death in this situation is disgusting.

parents should jump on a boat in libya then sail to europe then merkel and macron would probably personally take care of it. a little black face would help also

>>154345
>No, the america doctor just said it wouldn't reverse the brain damage.
How is that not the same thing?
>not designed for someone as far gone as as this child, that it would NOT work for him

>>154363
Potato lives matter

>>154327
https://youtu.be/Ehq8dCl3cgU?t=4m38s

I think you missed the most important line here:

>Charlie is everything that Europe's future is not and no resources with be allowed to be allotted for him.

Let that sink in. And ask yourself, "Who said this?"

>>154328
The Pope's position is not a rational one but a religious one.

>>154327
How is it important that the boy is white, and how is "Europe" out to kill him?

Take your spinning back to /pol/.

>>154379
>Charlie is everything that Europe's future is not

You mean he is a braindead vegetable and Europe is not?

>>154388
>How is it important that the boy is white

Very important when he commits a crime. Take your double standard back to >>>/reddit/.

>>154400
Take a good, hard look in the mirror. This is what someone who exploits dying children looks like.

As much as I would like you to take a hike off a cliff, I don't think you could fall any farther than you sunk when you submitted that post. Fuck you and your self-important identity politics; if 'liberals' are snowflakes, you're a frozen pile of dogshit.

>Charlie is everything that Europe's future is not and no resources with be allowed to be allotted for him.
I cant seem to find a source for this anywhere. Also, anyone getting smatterings of Terri Shiavo?

>>154339
If that's the case, then surely you support every form of welfare currently available. Many people would not be able to live without it.

>>154329
He's a research subject you big faggot. Just how many chances do you have of researching a mitochondrial DNA depletion syndrome? First time i hrar about the shit and they're letting this kid go, and with him the future of the disease's treatment. These things are very possible of healing in these days when some leukemias can be cured with a single drug that reconstructs the faulty dna. This research needs money, but the budget is unlimited for things like this.

>>154327

The Vatican and US trying to get involved is just prolonging the suffering of this kid.

There is a 6 yr old who has been treated at Johns Hopkins since he was about the same age as Charlie. Being treated with experimental drug https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3942458/american-dad-of-boy-6-treated-by-same-doctors-offering-to-treat-charlie-gard-praises-donald-trumps-intervention/&ved=0ahUKEwiHy7nk1_LUAhVoiFQKHbUUDS8QqOcBCCIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNHIF1r7IQmBj7msbK77wktI5ydm3g

>>154327
This is why America has the best healthcare in the world. The free market works, it just works. We have the best internet, the best healthcare, and the best infrastructure thanks to our pro-freedom markets. Eurocucks and other commies totalitarians can suck it. This is why the rest of the world is going to hell while America is being made great again.

>>154450

Bell End

>>154327
With defective genetics like that, do not call this thing "white". Mutants like this are the reason abortions were invented. The parents should also be immediately sterilized

>>154445
Interesting but highly irrelevant.
Yes, there are promising results from the experimental treatments but it has no hope for this kid. He is too far gone for that.
The parents are wasting the money & time of the state & courts rather than accepting reality.
The Pope supports them because of the Catholic "life is sacred" religious beliefs (he is also refusing to accept reality).
Trump is involved because he never goes beyond accepting what he watches on Fox, would never bother to research a subject, and is unable to science.

>>154450
Obviously you have never been outside the US & probably never read a book in your miserable life.

>>154450
i can not believe you just said that. best healthcare: no, one the worst compared to europe. best internet: do you have some US Only internet or are you talking about coverage and speed? cause you are not really the best either. best infrastructure: no, you are not even in the top 10 of the top of my head

>>154336
The parents are the ones spending it dipshit.

Now imagine your a european..

>>154331
>Poor people don't even deserve the ability to go before a death panel

????

>>154450
US internet is laughably slow for a western nation and non exsistant in some parts of the country.

>>154327
>Charlie is everything that Europe's future is not and no resources with be allowed to be allotted for him.

This line doesn't appear in the article. Fuck your fake news. Saged and reported.

>>154404
Do you know what website you are on?

>>154456
>t. xxXX_edgelordassholemaster_XXxx

>>154471
>The parents are wasting the money & time of the state & courts rather than accepting reality.

If there are doctors willing to treat him and the parents can privately fund it, why the FUCK does the state have any say in this?

>>154343
>Doctors and the courts
Who are obviously never wrong

>>154611
Because "you didn't build that" bank account anon.

>>154625
>Because "you didn't build that" bank account anon.

They have the money through gofundme, what's the problem?

>>154626
Because people outside the United States don't actually have rights or liberty. They just pretend they do.

>>154626
>what's the problem?
Child protection mostly.

The court decided the Yank doctors were quacks looking to shake down a desperate couple of their last pennies.

Of course in the land of the free, doctors have the freedom to sell treatments they know won't work.

This is not the result of socialised health care by they way or the EU.

The British courts made this decision all the EU did was say the British decision stands.

The same scenario would have played out in a private hospital in the UK assuming the doctors there honoured their oath to act in the best interests of the patient.

yes i do

>>154643
>Of course in the land of the free, doctors have the freedom to sell treatments they know won't work.

They don't.

>>155197
You're right. My facts were old.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/homeopathy-treatments-must-be-labelled-to-say-they-do-not-work-us-government-orders-a7429776.html

>>155200
>homeopathy

They deserve what they get.

Do none of these people realize how horrible it is to attempt to squeeze out a bit more public support by capitalizing on the slow death of a baby with a terminal illness?

>>154327
If it was a nigger baby they would be bending over backwards to help him.

>>155218
Yes Steve jobs did.

>>154643
Doesn't right to religion supersede the 'right' to be locked up in a hospital?

>>154329
And People said the right was crazy for thinking there would be death panels

>>155621
Quit pretending this untermensch is worth keeping in the gene pool

>>154610
t.assmad redditor

>>154327

>>155660
>death panels

I wish ignorant Yanks would stop pretending the know how British law works.

In the US this kid would already be dead because his parents couldn't afford treatment.

The hospital would have let the kid die but for very different reasons.

>>154327
I think medical experts are more qualified to rule on the wellbeing of a medical patient than politicians or the parents who are going by emotional investment. If the doctors agree the evidence of new treatment can save him, go for it, put him on the plane. If they look at everything and suspect he's dead anyway, pull the plug.

If he can't be saved, then switching him off is a mercy vs an agonising short term quality of life

>>155703
Brit parents are paying out of pocket. Read the fucking article.

>>155959
>paying out of pocket
out of a huge pot of donations
the kid would already be dead if they lived in the states

>>155775
>If the doctor agree
>>that he is wrong and the second opinion is right...

Yeah, that is rarely ever going to happen.

>switching him off is a mercy

Ending a person's life is hardly "mercy" sicko.

>vs an agonising short term quality of life

What are pain killers?

>>154327
So this is the power of the NHS...

>>155962
You're too pure for the internet

>>154327
>An American doctor whose experimental treatment has been sought by the parents of Charlie Gard will travel to London on Monday, after a judge ruled that he could examine the baby and confer with the UK doctors.
>On Friday, the specialist in mitochondrial diseases and genetic myopathies agreed to travel to examine Charlie in-person at the Great Ormand Street Hospital in London.
>The neurologist testified via video July 13 that he believes the 11-month-old has at least a 10 percent chance of improving under his treatment, and possibly as high as a 56 percent chance.
>The doctor, Michio Hirano, whose name was revealed after a court order was lifted Friday, is a professor of neurology at the Columbia University Medical Center in New York. He is the doctor overseeing the therapy trial Charlie’s parents had sought to join before being denied by the hospital and courts.
>Friday’s development comes one week after Great Ormond Street Hospital applied for a new hearing with the high court, citing new evidence suggesting the critically ill baby could benefit from an experimental treatment.
>A team of seven international medical experts had alerted the hospital that fresh, unpublished data suggested that an experimental drug could improve Charlie’s brain condition.
>“Two international hospitals and their researchers have communicated to us as late as the last 24 hours that they have fresh evidence about their proposed experimental treatment,” a hospital spokesman said, according to the BBC.
>“We believe, in common with Charlie’s parents, it is right to explore this evidence,” they continued.

>His parents responded that even a small chance of success was worth pursuing, and said that even if their son could not live, they hoped that taking part in the experimental trial could provide the research that would help other children with his condition live in the future.

There is still hope yet.

>can't see
>can't hear
>can't move
>can't breathe unassisted

wow what a great life he's living

>>154450
>best healthcare
>noon can afford it
what good is the best treatment when only the super rich pull a check book out of buttcheeks for what is cheaper if not free for everyone elsewhere?

>>155962
>Ending a person's life is hardly "mercy" sicko.
It is if the patient's life is agonising and there's no treatment to undo their pain.

I think that this whole thing is very gay

>>157685
Seriously, this is the hill you "pro-lifers" want to die on?

Defectives should be euthanized before too many resources are sunk into them to be honest.
Perpetuating faulty genetics while we abort what would have been healthy kids is an afront to nature and only possible in this upside-down clownworld.

Hitler was right.

>>155961
>Complains about Americans misinterpreting British regulations
>Completely misinterprets American regulations

Really gets the ol' noggin joggin

>>157703
>>157685
The other option is a subjective assessment in which you leave it up to panel to decide the fate of a child. How much suffering is too much? It doesn't really establish a concrete precedent, and since there is no objective way to measure suffering, the courts become subjective executioner based off of the opinion of an interpretation of their doctors. If a couple wants to preserve life based off of the opinions of other doctors, why should the default be to kill the child. At the very least, this will provide an interesting amount of scientific research.

>>157736
>don't have resources, or will to raise a healthy, well adjusted child
>terminate the pregnancy
Seems pretty sensible to me in the context of heartless eugenics.

>>157685
Yeah we should kill humans living shitty lives starting with you.

>>157750
> It doesn't really establish a concrete precedent

A child being a prisoner of his own body with zero chance of recovery (the experimental treatment doesn't work on such an advanced case) sets a fucking amazing precedent for mercy killing.

Don't you understand? They're going to spend millions on this kid! We can't just sit here talking about how bad it is, we have to do something. We have to stop this madness. We have to take action, 4chan! Come on!

like protesting with signs saying 'Kill Charlie Gard!' and you know, making an influence

>>154327
>>154379
OP said it. It's not in the article, but it advances his narrative

>>154408
See>>157827
It's not in the article, OP added it in in a cynical attempt to make this anout race.

>>157827
>>157828
Thank you captain oblivious

What kind of bs is this?

>>157808
Should it be illegal for caregivers to try to prolong the life of every old, terminally I'll "suffering" patient? What's the threshold of pain and suffering? What specific conditions would this apply? It's subjective, and it's interesting how this might be used in the future.

>>157872
>captain oblivious
You can't even get your insults right.

>>154351
There is no cure. There is only more suffering, and Europe ruled that torturing newborns is bad.
Also, I'll crowd fund next time I'm sick. Americans are stupid enough to give me money even though the treatment is free.

>>154508
I am, and oppose torturing newborns for no reason.

>>154611
Because it only makes the kid suffer more.
Go kick a baby, see what the state has to say.

>>157904
-,-

No, he meant oblivious. You short sighted fuck.

>dead set

>>155703
>I wish ignorant pikies just stop pretending they know how anything works

>In the states we would of tried every treatment possible
>Charge a baby for it
>Then have the parents write it off
>Daddy government picks up the tab

Think how niggers get shot every weekend and get treatment

>>157892
...Did you even read the post you replied to? This is the threshhold, these are the conditions. If someone meets this precedent, they should be allowed to die.

>>157979
I get more of what's going on than you, you shitposter.

>>157908
Life is suffering, stop being emo.

>>155239
>how dare someone try to protect and save their child! They should just kill this one and make another!

your parents should've aborted your ass too.

>>154339
We are long past the point where everything is fueled by the money or trade.

They can attempt to cure him from his illness but that boys internal organs are permanently damaged - brain most importantly. He is gonna be human veggie for the rest of his short life. Is there a point ?

>>160022
>Is there a point

Scientific progress, you godless pleb

>Torturing babies.
Wow I thought /k were edgy. Maybe the parents should have put in more time protecting their babe's head before they drop him on floor, if they really cared

>>163238
>Necroing a month old thread just to stir up shit
Who hurt you?

Depends what the "experimental treatment is. If its dipping him in a bucket of milk or DUDE WEED then fuck the parents
Otherwise it is their right

>>163282
Real late to the ballgame aren't ya chap

>>163244
This is why all slow boards are cancer. The fact that necro-ing is a thing on any place on 4chan is reprehensible
is reprehensible

>>154327
So it turns out the death panels thing is legit.

>>163284
I just dislike how shit the mods at enforcing the board rules. If you can't stop threads from bumping after 48h, then remove it from the rules.

>>163306
There were no death panels you retarded liberal

>>163284
There is no necroing on 4chan. It's the first time I see it used.
A dead thread is 404 and can't be resurrected. Otherwise it's not dead and it's fair to bump it. Recently there is a week long archive, but then it's deleted, no logs are kept apart from banned IPs.
Go OP a new interesting thread if you want to bump the last thread of last page into the void and make 4chan work like a regular forum.

>>163316
The rule is about the OP, not the thread itself.

>>163595
While I agree that we need more articles posted to keep the board fresh, can you explain how I misinterpreted this line from the sticky? Is it implied to only be replies from the OP or any reply?
>Threads older than 48h will cease to bump when replied to.

>>163607
Oh, they changed it.
Call an admin I guess, bump limits are a thing.

>>163284
>The fact that necro-ing is a thing on any place on 4chan is reprehensible.

Seems to work perfectly fine for >>>/t/.

>>155703
even if you don't have the money, hospitals are obligated to treat you if it's a medical emergency

we're not ancaps

>>154481
If the parents can't spend the money then the GoFundMe donators won't get to heaven.

>>155703
>doesn't know that there are children's hospitals that get donations and claim to never turn away a child