WHO WON THE ELECTION? NSA REPORT SUGGESTS RUSSIA MIGHT HAVE HACKED

>But Pamela Smith, president of election integrity watchdog Verified Voting, said the hacking might have kept some Americans from voting. “If someone has access to a state voter database, they can take malicious action by modifying or removing information,” she told The Intercept. “This could affect whether someone has the ability to cast a regular ballot or be required to cast a ‘provisional’ ballot — which would mean it has to be checked for their eligibility before it is included in the vote, and it may mean the voter has to jump through certain hoops such as proving their information to the election official before their eligibility is affirmed.”

>The Intercept report comes amid a growing scandal regarding investigations into President Donald Trump’s campaign and Russian attempts to influence the result of the election. Although the intelligence community has reached the conclusion that Russia did try to influence the results of the election in Trump’s favor against Hillary Clinton, the president has called the ongoing investigation a “witch hunt.”

>It also comes days before former FBI Director James Comey’s highly anticipated congressional testimony, scheduled for Thursday. Comey was fired by the president in May, and his testimony is expected to center on his interactions with the president and memos he reportedly wrote after discussions with the president. According to media reports, Trump told Comey he hoped Comey would drop the investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

>Russian President Vladimir Putin has mocked questions over whether Russia attempted to influence the election, telling NBC’s Megyn Kelly that the American media had “created a sensation out of nothing” and was using the allegations as “a weapon of war against the current president.”

>>147271
FPBP

>The NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment on The Intercept’s report but asked the publication not to publish the story and requested some redactions after The Intercept made it clear that it would be published.

>>147271
Who won the election? Damn they hacked the popular vote and Hillary still won they must suck at hacking kek

>>147271
This is stupid. Trump won, the election is over. People around him may or may not have colluded with outside forces to sway the election through propaganda and leaks, but ultimately, at the end of the day, more people still voted for Trump in areas where it mattered to give him the electoral win.

>>147275
good point, but in some sense, if they were successful, that just makes the outcome a bit more believable as well.

>>147276

I don't see any investigation into this getting to a place where we should undo the election; there isn't even a legal mechanism for such a thing if it did.

But it's silly to think that's the only reason to investigate this.

If the Russian government tried to propagandize people in the US or if they tried to hack some utility or compromise someone's privacy, that's worth investigating for the sake of patching faults in our systems for future confidence.

2 key words.... "might" and "suggest".... often used to deceive when there is no actual evidence.... concrete fact..... playing off people's gullability.... make them think one thing when it is in fact false..... called "suggestion"... hypnotism............... familiar!!!

>>147283

If stated uncertainty deceives people in thinking there exists certainty, then that's nobody's fault but the reader.
They're providing you an accurate description of their level of certainty and you're complaining it's misleading if they don't just lie or keep quiet about breaking news until certainty exists. You're not being mislead; you're simply not correctly evaluating accurate statements.

>there is no actual evidence
There isn't no evidence, there's significant but inconclusive evidence presented in the article. As in, based upon what is known, it's conceivable more could be found that would make for a compelling case.

>>147287
You'd just think after 8 months of putting their heart and soul into trying to find anything to pin Russia on Trump's coat pocket they would have found one solid lead.

Everything just seems flimsy and surreal. Like if I were trying to make a political propoganda this is exactly how it would appear.

>>147290
except for all the folks that lied under oath and the NatSec adviser with the shortest tenure in history, sure I guess. I've got my money on folks going to prison.

And the Republican leading the congressional investigation alerting the white house for information he had before congress, and when being called out in being complicit his response was "Yeah, I guess so. Too bad".

We should have had a select congressional committee appointed already, unfortunately the Republicans as usual have placed party before country, waiting until they're at risk for looking compliant before grudgingly doing anything to compromise their own president or his staff for potential criminal wrongdoing.

>>147287
>there's significant but inconclusive
These concepts are mutually exclusively buddy.

A memo stating something happened is not the same thing as the work and evidence showing how it happened. Especially not if they're basing any of this off of the private data company the DNC hired to "investigate" the source of their leaks.

>>147290
>Everything just seems flimsy and surreal. Like if I were trying to make a political propaganda this is exactly how it would appear.
Their hope was to simply throw things at the wall and see what stuck. Moreover the "Gestapo agent with a heart of gold" sounds like the plot of a bad NCIS type TV show. Perfect for TV news.

>>147299
>>there's significant but inconclusive evidence
>These concepts are mutually exclusively buddy.
They're just not. You can have evidence that suggests something but doesn't make for an airtight case by itself. Sometimes you have a murder weapon but you don't have a motive. Sometimes you have a trail of cookie crumbs but can't decide whether it was your son or the dog.

>A memo stating something happened is not the same thing as the work and evidence showing how it happened.
Nobody said it was; you're putting words into peoples' mouths. But given what we do know, it wouldn't be surprising if that turned out to be the case if we found more evidence.

>Especially not if they're basing any of this off of the private data company the DNC hired to "investigate" the source of their leaks.
The document was leaked by an NSA contractor. The Justice Dept. is prosecuting the leaker; nobody's denying the authenticity of the document. But given all they have demonstrably lied about, it's not as though they'd have any credibility in the first place I suppose.

I'll believe in an FBI-CIA-NSA-DNC-media coverup when Trump supporters provide an iota of evidence for it.

People seem to have amnesia regarding how their latest conspiracy regarding Seth Rich fell apart after the right wing outlet (which is guess means it's not MSM) conceded their investigator was a former contributor to their channel with no actual evidence. Trump supporters are simply throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. More "I'm a fuckin tard and don't see the irony of refusing the most likely explanation for a conspiracy with absolutely no credible evidence".

>>147299
thank you for your service comrade
2 rubles have been deposited into your account

>>147283
holy fuck here you are again using up all the punctuation characters again, also you know tripcodes are for attention whoring faggots, right?

besides that you dont even need a tripcode, you making yourself pretty obvious

Still salty months later.

>>147271
knew it obama didnt get elected so many times. russian made it that way.

>>147283
>Elderly autist overuses ellipses, film at eleven

>>147303

>>147327

>>147287
Don't know who you are... or how high up you are but.... got a question for you... you do know that the people below you are fed lies and when their usefulness expires.... they are thrown into the sacrificial fire... hence expendable ... now I doubt someone high up would be on 4chan and post... they send minions.... hence you have someone above you.... do you not think that you are on the same boat as the lower downs... and the highers ups are not exactly telling you the truth... and once your usefulness expires.... you will be thrown into the sacrificial fire..... think about what you are doing.... think about the world that is trying to being brought in... do you think you will be exempt from the tyranny???? food for thought.....

>>147333
>Please entertain my mental illness.

sage. Get back to work on your manifesto, future murder-suicide perpetrator

>literally leaked nsa documents
>trump defense force in full force in this thread
Like clock work

>>147283
You write like an angry single mother.

Go to tumblr or reddit to post this garbage. No one here is stupid enough to think it was Russia. Keep backing Russia in a corner with this bs and they eventually they will bite back. (Because 2 superpowers at war is what we need right now...)

>>147336
They don't have to defend shit, hand counted samples taken accross the country concluded that there was no manipulation of the actual vote. Trump still won legitimately.

>>147346
Kys rooski

>>147271
Lols as if the JewSA doesn't "influence" other elections. Get over yourself

>>147352
Experts say it's impossible to Hack the Election - Time Magazine Sept, 2016

http://time.com/4500216/election-voting-machines-hackers-security/

Reminder: it's almost impossible to hack the election - Washington Post, Nov 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/theres-almost-no-chance-our-elections-can-get-hacked-by-the-russians-heres-why/?utm_term=.27cf6bb02325

No, the Presidential Election can't be Hacked - CNN, October 2016

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/election-day-russia-hacking-explained/index.html

There no plausible to hack the Presidential Election - News Review, October 2016

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442671/hacked-presidential-election-implausible

Why Hackers can't Rig the US Election - Fortune Magazine Aug, 2016

http://fortune.com/2016/08/09/voting-machines-hackers/

Trump: "I'm afraid the election will be rigged" - CNN Aug, 2016

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/donald-trump-election-2016-rigged/index.html

For Trump, a new rigged system: the election itself - Washington Post Aug,2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-trump-a-new-rigged-system-the-election-itself/2016/08/02/d9fb33b0-58c4-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html?sw_bypass=true&utm_term=.222b34051583

Officials fight claims of a Rigged Vote - NYTimes October, 2016

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-election-rigging.html?referer=https://duckduckgo.com/

Obama: Trumps claim on rigged elections is ridiculous. - CBS Aug, 2016

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-donald-trumps-rigged-election-claim-is-ridiculous/

Obama: Russian hacks should concern Trump - WashPost Dec, 2016

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/16/obama-trump-should-be-concerned-russian-hacking/

>>147356
Proof of global communist hold on MSM.

>>147356
At the same time

http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/election-fraud-voter-registration-changed-suppression-party-affiliation-sanders-clinton-ca-ny-az-md-pa-what-to-do/

From the sound of it, seems have been disproportionately targeting folks registered as democrats.

Changing one's voter registration is one thing, would it be possible to delete folks from voter rolls?

>>147366
No.

The Russians didn't even think Trump would win, they just wanted to fuck with Clinton and our system. Most of their efforts were relatively low effort. If you want to see them go all out, look at the shit they do over in Europe. What Russia did was the equivalent of sticking a dollar into a slot machine and getting 10,000 back.

>>147366
Obama said claiming the elections being rigged is ridiculous, I would listen to him

>>147367
You have proofs that amounting to nothing for this Russian story, my bro.

>>147275
Damn leftards still can't get over their defeat

>>147275
Trump actually won the popular vote though retard.

>>147301
It was your wife's son buddy.

>>147350
[citation needed]

>>147369
Not a trump tard but at the time I remember thinking at the time that even if they did and the nsa had dick solid evidence of actual vote tampering Obama and the establishment would NOT be able to admit it because it would destroy confidence in the system and possibly create a conflict with Russia, literally choosing the lesser evil letting trump be president. Them trying to redact the document etc seems like more of the same, eg anything to keep confidence in the system.

inb4 butthurt liberal detected, you can go back to blindly defending trump covfefe

>>147485
Let's all remember CNN, NyTimes, and WashPost said it was impossible. I trust their judgement without question, as I expect everyone to

"Hack the election"

Are liberal really getting this stupid to think that Russia changed votes?

No the worst they did was guess the password of podesta and expose DNC corruption and fraud.

Thank you Russia.

>>147356
wow you mean a bunch of media outlets without access to classified documents were wrong about something??

omg yeah it is a conspiracy fucking idiot liberals how dare they change their minds when new evidence comes to light!

>>147530
>russians attempting to gain access to information held by a provider of election services via hacking is somehow not hacking the election

>>147555
They change their minds when it fits the story they want people to believe

>>147558
It's just like so called scientists. Liberals can't make up their mind on anything. They have 0 faith and convictions, and that's why they're losing.

This document was not “leaked”. It came directly from NSA. The Intercept has been shamelessly used, and the young woman will do well, after some theatrics to give more credence to the with her now padded bank account, after the system go through some theatrics to pretend that this “information” has any merit. She is no Snowden, as the NSA and the Clintons would like us to believe. Actually a patriot as I hear from the Times!

And the timing of the whole thing stinks to high heaven. Just as the Russia, Russia, Russia narrative is starting to fall, as it had been built on a narrative completely lacking discernable substance, suddenly a month ago, well after the election, the NSA not only ‘knows’ the Russkies did it, but they hacked voting machines, an idea that was pushed with misleading language to the point that millions believed it, but with no evidence. And now, as it looks more and more like war with Syria, Iran, and possibly Russia may be breaking out, the spooks find ‘proof’ that them damn Reds did the scariest of scary things after all. WMD all over again in the form of ‘election attacks’. And the liberals on this increasingly pitiful imageboard gobbles it up and dutifully pukes it back out.

Bah, it's sad that /pol/ has more actual news than /news/.

>>147290
The narrative arc about Russia has gotten more shrill with each leak. And you are right–when it seemed that the story was not dominating the media at least, then a new worse revelation to keep the story going. And this whole propaganda campaign is very much identical to what Obama waged to accept an invasion of Lybia.

>>147576
>Bah, it's sad that /pol/ has more actual news than /news/.
Please, stay there and let us analyze and enjoy our "lugenpresse."

>>147576
>This document was not “leaked”. It came directly from NSA. The Intercept has been shamelessly used, and the young woman will do well, after some theatrics to give more credence to the with her now padded bank account, after the system go through some theatrics to pretend that this “information” has any merit. She is no Snowden, as the NSA and the Clintons would like us to believe. Actually a patriot as I hear from the Times!

when you provide evidence of conspiracy is when you will be believed

>Just as the Russia, Russia, Russia narrative is starting to fall, as it had been built on a narrative completely lacking discernable substance

You're not allowing for the possibility that the reason Russia is continuously brought up is because time and time again, administration officials are caught colluding with russia, lying about it under oath, establishing private channels with Russians, during a campaign, using Russian technology. And every time, it is a leak that outs them.

We have consensus from the intelligence agencies of Trump's own government. Yet you harp on about an unfalsifiable conspiracy.

If mountains of evidence exists to the contrary, it must have been planted!

>>147356
The one good thing about all this is that maybe officials will stop dismissing concerns about vote tampering and actually take a close look at these machines on a regular basis.

I knew Putin was for Her all along.

>>147587
>administration officials are caught colluding with russia
Then show one textbook example of said collusion with Russia that fits with the accusations of criminality being leveled.

Just one.
One.

Because you should not be talking in hypotheticals and making vague claims this far into your witc- sorry, "investigation".

>>147631
"It's not rigged, you're just losing because it's Her Turn(TM) :^)"

>>147271
Bullshit

>>147273
"The Russians did it!", is the impeachment narrative for Soroscrats, when their election influencing, tampering, and outright fraud failed.

>>147283
Excellent observation.

>>147356
Hilarious

>>147283
Ignor the zealous Grammer/Punctuation Nazis, they tend to get pissy when they don't have any real substance to argue with.

>>147337
(‾.‾“)

>>147271
Tell that hog wash to Seth Rich.

>>147356
Really puts the brain on all four cylinders

>>147283
>(((suggestion hypnotism))) This exactly! Most people are so low IQ they fall for anything.

>>147303
Your welcome fellow kike.
2 shekels have been deposited into your account.

>>147478
>pedals retarded conspiracy theories from /pol/ without any evidence
>calls other people retards
Trump supporters aren't very bright are you?

>>148540
If Russian Hacker Poop Conspiracy can be real, why can't an insider leak be just as real?