Trump tells 'confidants' U.S. will leave Paris climate

The summit of G7 wealthy nations pitted Trump against the leaders of Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Canada and Japan on several issues, with European diplomats frustrated at having to revisit questions they had hoped were long settled.

Trump, who has previously called global warming a hoax, came under concerted pressure from the other leaders to honor the 2015 Paris Agreement on curbing carbon emissions.

Although he tweeted that he would make a decision next week, his apparent reluctance to embrace the first legally binding global climate deal that was signed by 195 countries clearly annoyed German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

"The entire discussion about climate was very difficult, if not to say very dissatisfying," she told reporters. "There are no indications whether the United States will stay in the Paris Agreement or not."

>>144431
I don't think entering the agreement will help reverse climate change so this doesn't worry me

>>144438
The agreement is toothless, so pulling out of it has no value. The U.S. might as well stay in it for the diplomatic reason of saying that they'll work with China to reduce emissions. The only messaging I get here is simply more climate change denial.

Cool

>>144445
Which just goes to show how incredibly apathetic Turmp is on the matter. Rather than building upon a flexible agreement he is going to leave it to wither as Eurasian countries get the message that the US isn't interested in upholding its share of responsibility to the future of human civilization and global biodiversity.

>>144445
Its economically detrimental for the US.

I say we put India and China on blast and in the meantime work on electric cars

>>144450
How about "No"

Fake news. He's not dumb enough to alienate himself that much more. And he can get everything he wants in the short run working within the parameters of the current agreement. There's no way he'd do that to the US.

>>144451
who gives a shit about china and india, I'm concerned about the future of the US. we need to tackle climate change ASAP and we need to leverage whatever we can to get other countries on board.

>anonymous sources

>>144458
Because those countries make like 100x more pollution and have populations in the billions?

The US is developing at a good speed. Those countries are very far behind in being clean.

We can leverage by making stuff cleaner on our own soil, and not buying shit from coal powered sweat shops

>>144445
>toothless

We've already signed into a greenhouse emissions reduction target with other signatories.

After meeting with Trump on Friday, other signatories have already agreed to allow the US to lower its commitment.

>>144463
>100x more pollution

The US has the second highest greenhouse gas emissions in the world, and highest per capita emissions than the other top 10 contributors.

>>144471
Just to add to this, the US has also been industrialized and is the most modern economy. If you take into account historic contribution, the US is by far the single greatest in the world.

>>144463
>Those countries are very far behind in being clean.

China invested 2.5X as much into clean energy infrastructure last year as the US.
In terms of per capita investment, I think the US was 20th in the world last year.

>>144471
>>144472
Isn't it convenient thst this carbon emission bullshit perfectly demonizes American success?

Liberals pls double kys

>>144480
companies most on the hook for emissions aren't american success stories, they're old money mega-corps who abuse workers.

>>144480
What I'm saying is that if you're too butthurt about fairness to pay attention to mitigating risk of future global economic and ecological catastrophe then rest assured we've done more than our fair share of contributing to the heating of our climate, and now we should stop trying to keep score and prioritize doing whatever we can to work with other countries to minimize the rate of heating of our climate.

>>144450
> the future of human civilization and global biodiversity.
hahahaha

>>144458
can't tell if bait or shill

>>144512
Shut the fuck up, retard. Displacing 800 million people (that you probably call shitskin) to places that dont suck (the west) is no laughing matter.
>>144513
Shut the fuck up, retard.

>>144463
Are you 10 or 20 years ago?
USA became the dirtiest country.
Everybody was going forward while you were moving left and right (or democrat/republican), that's why we're telling you you're becoming 3rd world. Even poor countries are doing better on every point but "having coasts on 2 oceans".
Keep drinking the koolaid I suppose.

>>144431
Thank fucking God.

>>144445
It's basically!y a world wide carbon tax with the unted states of course being required to pay he most.

>>144450
There is no need for an agreement. Humans can't affect the climate

>>144458
Climate change hysteria is ignorant and wrong. There is no AGW. Islam is the biggest hreat to the world.

>>144471
So?

>>144494
I don't believe in man made global warming. It's not a concern and I won't change my lifestyle for a myth.

>>144530
That's why we have the Military. Kill the shit skin invader.

>>144438
It doesn't reverse climate change, just kills jobs!

>>144450
There is no MAN-MADE climate change.
CO2 is not a pollutant, plants need it to live!

>>144450
>>144471
>>144494
read posts
>144600, >144602&3, and >>144693

>>144693
CO2 the least of our problems.

Our main concerns are Methane gases.

>>144431
>not telling them that he'll withdrew the signature from the UNFCCC so that he will completely eliminate regulations of fossil fuels.

Not trying hard enough.

>>144705
http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/withdraw-paris-withdrawing-the-un-framework-convention-climate-change
http://blog.heartland.org/2017/05/u-s-must-withdraw-from-the-original-u-n-climate-treaty/

If he want's to eliminate Climate Alarmism, then Eliminate the UNFCCC and all of it's treaties.

>>144693
That's not an argument. That's a talking point. Unless you can specifically refute the greenhouse effect, nothing you said has any bearing.

>>144707
Also, withdraw from the UN and all Socialist groups.

>>144705
>>144707
>>144709
He should also eliminate socialist programs and departments such as the DoL and the EPA; we should allow the market to regulate itself.

>>144602
Nigga do you even we have detonated 8k plus nuclear weapons which have scattered radioactive istopes in detectable amounts world wide. So much so that all steel now is radioactive enough that it cannot be used to construct sensitive equipment anymore. We have stripmined vast stretches of land leaving toxic retention ponds that can be seen from LEO we have removed millions if not billions of tons of coal and released co2 brining it to the highest level in hundreds of milliins of years. There are nearly 8.5 billion humans. Just think about that 8.5 billion. We did nothing to the planet yeah right , we have done a shit ton.
We have started the largest mass extinction, carpeted the world in microsopic particles of plastic. Hell where i live in NY with in a 50 square mile range there is over 50 superfund sites for enviornmental clean up ranging from chromium, to radioactive trintium in tge thousands or millions of pounds or gallons.

And you say we havent changed the earth. in the modern era man is god we have the power to shape the earth but we also reap the consequnces of our actions. We have dried up huge lakes causing crop failures and enviornmental collapse. We can do things that for most of our history would have been in the realms of dietys and fiction.

>>144712
That's not good enough, we need to dismantle the government at all levels to ensure every man and business their freedom.

>>144762
>NB4 "Day of the Rope".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/29/trumps-climate-change-shift-is-really-about-killing-the-international-order/?utm_term=.aa1c182aa3fc

>“Climate change is a highly inconvenient truth for nationalism, as it is unsolvable at the national level and requires collective action between states and between different national and local communities. Populist nationalism therefore tends to reject the science of climate change however strong the evidence.”

>>144762
Tom DeWeese, our lord and savior:
https://americanpolicy.org/about-us/

>>144770
No its solvable at the national level. Nationalist would be horrified to find out that their nation would be ruined by climate change and as such they would independently come to the conclusion that whats best for the planet is whats best for their nation.

If people really want to stop climate change, then stop focusing on the West and focus on China. China puts out so much pollution that they have days where you can't leave your house because of the poisonous smog in their cities.

But nobody tries anything with China because China doesn't take anyone's shit.

>>144451
electric cars are a liberal scam
Trump should take steps to outlaw them and incentive better traditional gas cows

>>144709
Trump should drop a nuke right on that blight of a UN HQ. That's the way we show those globalist foreigners where America stands.

>>144603
>Islam is the biggest hreat to the world.
LOL. Islam is a minor annoyance to the Western world but not even close to a threat. Islam can't even beat Israel much less pose a threat to the Western world as a whole.

>>144871
Literal child's argument
"Duh hey lets dropanukeonit that'll fix our problems"

>>144870
>Be me
>Buy car
>It moves around when I drive it
Where is the scam again?

>>144866
You know China started opening solar farms and wind farms like crazy? They're about to become world first
in clean energy. USA is losing by abandon apparently...

>>144874
Islam is busy fighting Islam actually. Most Isis terror attack victims are Muslims, in some country the news don't talk much about (and FB doesn't offer to put a filter with flag colours so nobody cares...)

>>144874
>Islam is a minor annoyance to the Western world

Tell that to the victims' families.

>>144874
Minor anoyance?
>It's the predominant ideological driving force behind the majority of mass shootings, gang rapes, and terror attacks
>Predominant opponent to western values, women's rights, and civil / religios freedom
>Major reason behind middle east wars and infighting
>Growing at an exponential rate - in Europe

You're off your rocket if you think it's a minor problem. It will credibly be more catastrophic to the civilized world than any thing we've seen since the Ottoman invasions

>>145027
It wasn't Islam.

It's the fucking socialists that infiltrated Islam with their Marxist views.

They destroyed the Middle East and planning to destroy the west next.

>>145020
It's Globalist Propaganda.

Global Problems simply do not exist, only Local problems matters.

>>145029
No, Islams always been shitty. It's been a turned into a useful puppet by globalists because they want to destabilize existing nations and consolidate these nations into more and more Central governship.

>>145035
The Islamists that destroyed the twin towers were socialists, aiming to kill capitalism.

Yes Islam is a shit religion, same to all religions except Christianity. But the Socialists used Globalization to get non-believers to destroy christianity and everything that we hold dear.

>>144602
That is a ridiculous view to hold at this point. It is ignorant to think that man made climate change isn't real when you consider just how much evidence has demonstrated *just* how real it is.

>>144451
Chinese and Indian citizens are putting more effort into ending climate change than we are

>>145045
Bullshit

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/06/air-pollution-beijing-china-smog-britain

>>144871
Er, UN HQ is in America you imbecile.

>>144760
There are some inaccuracies in your statement.
>8.5 Billion humans.
Your about 10^9 to high.
>Isotopes in steel make sensitive equipment inaccurate
Steel is not a great metal for scientific instruments in the first place.
> Teh Nanoparticles.
No they're not great, but we still have no idea what the major ecological damage from that is going to be beyond filter feeders. It's not the goddamn Chicxulub meteor.

>>145045
http://www.enn.com/pollution/article/43332

China is actually getting worse, despite their efforts

>>145027
>>It's the predominant ideological driving force behind the majority of mass shootings,
That would be crazy Americans. Way more mass shootings than mudslimes.
>gang rapes,
African-Americans (not my fault you can't keep your niggers under control)
>and terror attacks
OK, you got that right
>>Predominant opponent to western values, women's rights, and civil / religios freedom
That's Trump and the alt-right
>>Major reason behind middle east wars
That would be previous American fuckery from various presidents, as well as Saudi Arabia. Who Trump just sold 100 trillions worth of weaponry.

>>145124
>That would be crazy Americans. Way more mass shootings than mudslimes.
That's a myth.
We're about average for mass shootings compared to Europe, let alone the muzzies.

>>145124
Arabs and blacks beat out every other demographic in mass shooting casualties in the US

Western values (free speech, religious freedom, etc) are literally what the right and Trump supporters campaign on idiot

The middle Easterners were fucking eachother in the ass for being sunni / Shiite for centuries before we showed up

>>145164
If free speech is a Republican value as you're implying then why is the FCC moving to allow telecomms companies to selectively restrict bandwidth to any website they wish? How could that possibly assist free speech in any way?

>>145164
>Western values (free speech, religious freedom, etc) are literally what the right and Trump supporters campaign on idiot

Free speech is what gave us the lugenpress.
Religious freedom is what gave us degeneracy.
So called modern """"Western"""" values are a fabrication of enlightened liberals.

You're aren't a true supporter of KEK, just another cuckservative. If you were truly on the side of the righteous, you'd see the benefit of /ourguys/ in total societal control. When you leave room for """"dissent"""", that's when degeneracy festers.

>>145182
Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Allowing people to think and say what they wish. You're drawing up some contrived example that most conservatives don't even agree with

Fuck the GOP

>>144603
AGW is in the range of as well established as the theory of evolution by natural selection with respect to the range and quantity of data and proportion of expert opinion that supports it. So of course only conservatives will bother to counter every fact with " you think yer so fance with all yer numbers. You can't know nuthin'. Therefore, every statistic necessarily involves a +/- 100% tolerance. it's called weather etc etc". These folks find appreciating a world outside the context of their own lifetime and locality to be a matter of frivolity at best and dangerously anti-christian/american at worst. "Become to open minded, and your brain will fall out!".

>Islam is the biggest hreat to the world.
Islam is not a threat to the world, Islam is a threat to human civilization. There are countless species and all sorts of immensely complex lifeforms much like humans that will not at all be affected if we go back to the stone age (may be better off for it).

AGW is a threat to the world. As in, human civilization and ecology on a global scale.
Islam (and ideologies like Islam, but foremost Islam given its dominance in representation among human populations when compared to other violently backward ideologies) is a threat, AGW is a greater threat.

Both are important and should be treated as existential threats. Nuclear war is another threat on a similar scale to AGW. Less immediate but no less significant threats are asteroids and rogue AI.

>>145045
You can't end something humans have no control over.

>>145189
AGW does not exist, the evidence is just theory and the predictions made on the data years ago have been proven false.

>>145211
Your information is so outdated. AGW is real and deniers are ranked at level of flat earthers.

it was just a way to get more money the US doesn't have in the first place

>>144587
>>144471
need citation for this, china is the worst offender in terms of total greenhouse gasses. I refuse to believe that a country that has to constantly raise their red alert threshold for air pollution is doing better than any country.

>>145260
It's partially because of how coal heavy they are. Coal is slightly different then the stuff we're pumping into the atmosphere in that it doesn't just all go straight to the ozone layer, but lingers in a smog (one of the reasons why the Western world has moved away from it). Hence, you can have worse local air quality while overall not damaging the ozone layer as much as your more sophisticated neighbors. Additionally, China may be the overall number one polluter (accounting for about 30% of global pollution compared to the US's 15%), but the US still beats everyone in per capita pollution. If you calculate pollution per head, the US pollutes 16.5 metric tons per person, versus China at 7.2, EU at 6.8, and the global average at 5. That's why the rest of the world has been getting on the US's case, and why politicians here have been so recalcitrant in adopting any regulations. It would hurt us much more then other nations just because our infrastructure/economy is built with the above waste in mind.

Lets give /ourguy/ Trump a YEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAW again for sticking it to them global libtards.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/335695-trump-to-pull-us-out-of-paris-climate-deal

>>145384
The free world is America and those who are aligned with her like Russia. The ones who are under the tryanny of jack booted Greenies, liberalism, and multi-ethnicity are our enemies and shall be destroyed in a great war as did the axis. Europe and China should take warning since they are on a dangerous path and once you piss off the eagle, you get the CLAWS.

Count your blessings for now.

>>145386
>free world
>Russia

this thread should end right here.
Nothing more needs to be said about this matter.

>>145388
You just proved leftist insanity. is alive and well. You must have gotten a big gold star in the "Brain washing of zombies class by the left". Only the way you interpret the scenario. Hey, why wait, pack your duds and get over there lady. I'm sure you will enjoy all communist Europe or China has to offer. You can be another refugee from all your suffering. Oh, you can't make comment on any venue that doesn't fall in line with the socialist mindset. Enjoy!

Better get out before there's a ropes around your neck. Don't let that wall hit you on the ass, and do be careful for the nuclear rain we'll be giving you and the rest of the communist world. Bye now!

>>145393
Yep. Raised by single mothers majority of them. The men are feminine and the women all butch. That's why they always make such fun targets to rough up and destroy. Conservatives have always been the winner when the finally get pissed off enough because we're willing to go all the way. Oh, what was that, can't have a discussion on wealth inequality or climate change when you're getting the tar kicked out of you? Force always trumps words, action always trumps thought, and we conservatives understand this.

>>145284
Oh look at me, throwing around numbers like they matter. Liberals really are pathetic. People don't care about numbers, they want principles! Maybe that's why liberals are always getting picked on at school.

>>145388
Actually, yeah, they signed on, which makes them and us enemies. Only Syria and Nicaragua were redpilled enough not to join in on the Paris agreement.

All these idiots screaming "BUT CHINA AND INDIA" don't realize that both of those countries are committed to regulating their emissions and will probably reap technological advancements because of it. I don't see any argument against the PCD other than "MUH HOAX" and "GLOBALISM"

>>145395
>Oh look at me, throwing around numbers like they matter. Liberals really are pathetic. People don't care about numbers, they want principles! Maybe that's why liberals are always getting picked on at school.

The next time you think about post about irrational liberals acting on 'muh feels', remind yourself you wrote this. Honesty and introspection are 'principles', after all.

>>145401
Nicaragua excused itself from the agreement because the standards for developed first-world countries were obviously impossible to apply to their country. Regardless, it's well on its way to achieving its goal of 90% renewable energy.

The US doesn't have that excuse to leave, nor has it exerted anything but a token effort thanks to industry lobbyists. Is falling behind the rest of the developed world and even the third world sounding like MAGA for anyone here?

>>145404
If the "entire world" has lost it's mind, should we follow along?
But the "entire world" has not lost it's mind. It's just lunatics like you that have lost their minds. Your Gaia worship went out with went out with the Philistines. Climb out of your primordial ooze and join the modern world!

>>145406
It's already third world for a lot of us outside of the coastal elite havens. If I'm going down, I'm making damn sure I cut all of your parachutes so you go down with me.

>>145411
What a vicious post! Behold the true face of the Trump supporter; a creature of hatred, spite and envy with delusions of entitlement, country and principles be damned. You're more proof that the alt-right is a plague on conservative politics, and humanity in general.

>>145404
Any tech others develop will be in American hands in a matter of months. The U.S. is the second best nation in the world at stealing tech.

>>145429
Successful nations have been "borrowing" the good from their neighbors since ancient Rome did with Gaul and Greece.

>>145384
And he used the UNFCCC as a medium, despite hardcore conservatives wanted him to pull out altogether.

Either he have both or have none. Otherwise, this will be yet another Kyoto Protocol.

>>145538
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/05/31/trump-told-pruitt-make-plan-leave-paris-deal-stay-unfccc/

>>144431
The senate hasn't even approved the agreement right? Meaning the US wasn't in it in the first place.
Hard to say what the outcome could be, given how US could easily join right back in in four years, but worst case scenario US gets left behind in economic power due to countries investing in solar and wind energy, which is quickly overtaking fossil fuels.

To Further Cement on the Ideology: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-paris-climate-deal_us_592f0430e4b0540ffc83e3b6

>>145543
The US was about as "in the deal" as Neil Gorsuch has a seat on our national Supreme Court. For all pracitcal purposes, we were.
Just because something is unconstitutional doesn't mean it can't be enacted. Someone needs to challenge the decision in court when the government attempts to enforce it.

>>144512
I don't understand how laughing at values like that became popular. Were you raised by wolves? Seriously.

>>145667
I think it's funny that the aethestic left has replaced religion with eco-friendly mantras and "need for future human prosperity" seeing as how if God and the afterlife don't exist then it's essentially a moot point.

If humans suck so bad, why strive to keep us going into the future? To work as a cog for the elite as they develop AI and life extension technology on the backs of the workers?

>>145680
Said the teenager with no prospects of having children

>>145683
You're sidestepping. Try to answer the question this time.

>>145683
I'm not the guy you were replying to. But I feel that pointing out that obviously people want a better a future for their kids kinda answers your question anyway m8...

>>145686
Meant for
>>145684

>>145686
Isn't it a moot point is the point I'm trying to make?

I don't believe it is. I'm trying to see the reasoning behind a mentality from what I've seen condems humanity as the world scourge and simultaneously wants to stive forward into the future.

>>145689
Your logic is that essentially: supporters of the Paris agreement are all atheist leftists who mistakenly care about the future because they will inevitably die and not be around for it. Unless you believe that everybody is a total nihilist who doesn't give a shit about the future this logic makes absolutely no sense.

>scourge of the earth
Whether you can see it or not, it is blindly obvious that humanity has altered our environment in ways that will (and already have had) negative consequences on future generations.
>inb4 proof
For the biggest example and one we have successfully mitigated, google CFCs. But there are millions of other examples from the micro to the macro scale

>>145693
If you don't believe in God, isn't nhilism effectivley inevitable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5evk-Yu338&feature=youtu.be

>>145698
No

>>145703
What's your reasoning? If there's no point to life, then why strive to live?

>>145711
What's your argument for it?

I don't think you understand the definition of nihilism or atheism.

Atheist - someone who does not believe God(s) exist
Nihilism - the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
So, the answer is no.
Morality has nothing to do with one's religion or religious beliefs.

>>145717
Why be moral if life has no consequence?

Why continue to drive humanity into the future if we are detrimental to the planet and eachother?

Why is life meaningful if without some sort of divine purpose?

What's your reasoning? You haven't answered

>>145722
Thinking your actions don't have consequences because you don't believe in God isn't nihilism, it's stupidity.

>>145735
You haven't explained why?

>>145737
>Why be moral if life has no consequence?

I don't have a response to this because I don't believe life has no consequence even if I don't believe in God.

>>144450
>.01 shekels in your account

You know how I see the world?

I see the future as a jungle, where only the fittest nations survive. I see a world constantly being tempered by warfare into the perfect ethnostate. I see states that fail being utterly destroyed, their people killed and their genetics erased. All of man's activities are just poor substitutes for combat. Only through combat and death can a man realize true passion and manliness. After thousands of years of warfare, one ethno group shall stand above the rest, purified and strengthened through the crucible of genocidal conflict. They will be the ultimate expression of mankind. How's that for diversity?

I hope we force companies to roll back green technology and other anti-pollution measures. Sometimes, you need to stand on principle rather then results. The tears of leftist is just a bonus.

>>145739
Where does the consequence / meaning derive from?

>>145757
I appreciate the fact that future generations of people not unlike myself can live in a world where genetically engineered catgirls can be waifus in real laifus.

>>145758
Why does it ultimately matter? Just your preference/fancy on what you feel the world should be like?

>>145758
>implying that we'll let degeneracy like that fester
>implying that future generations won't be too busy wiping out other tribes for sexual deviancy to kick in

Well, it's official, America is now a greater enemy to the people of this world than Russia. At least Putin is fighting Islamic terrorism.

>>145766
Incoming liberal tears, HOOOOWEEE! /pol/ is always right. What a time to be alive, praise KEK.

>>145775
does anyone actually agree with this or they just spew this shit when they leave /pol/ and when enough of us tell this fuckwad to go back they go back to their shithole board?

DEATH TO AMERICA

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS TRYING TO DESTROY EUROPE

THEY ARE USING GLOBAL WARMING TO MAKE AFRICA AND ARABIA UNINHABITABLE

THEY ARE TRYING TO COMMIT WHITE GENOCIDE BY FLOODING EUROPE WITH REFUGEES

The US will be made to pay for putting themselves above the rest of the world.

I don't know who to believe but this doesn't seem like a big deal to me. if almost 200 countries are in the deal then one leaving isn't much. also it's not like the us isn't making changes outside of that deal on its own

>>145778
How does it feel to keep on losing?

>>145785
Hehe, well, once we get ourguys in and sort out our own house, we'll be sure to come after all of you. A truly global American Reich, with all the world's resources to exploit.

>>145786
It is a big deal and goes a long way to defeating this climate change bahooey. Hell, the US should dump more into the air just to spite you globalist libcuck motherfuckers.

>>145792
>to spite you globalist libcuck motherfuckers.
you lack basic reading comprehension

however I get the impression that you are pretending to be a "dumb trump supporter" because of what you said about an american reich

Americans are liars and cheats.
The will make a deal then weasel out of it.
Do not trust them.
They will rob you.

>>145786
Because the US is the second biggest contributor of CO2 to the atmosphere. Our refusal to even try and reduce that invalidates the efforts of the next three biggest contributors.

America must be punished for trying to rob the world.

The US is now #1 climate criminal.

>>145798
>Our refusal to even try and reduce that invalidates the efforts of the next three biggest contributors.
You're assuming that the us isn't doing anything about that outside of the paris accord, which is wrong. there are efforts being made in various industries

Americans are full of lies.

Their leader calls climate change a hoax invented by China.

>>145801
>>145799
>>145797
>>145785
>>145783
>>145781
>>145766
samefag

>>145797
Nah, just bipolar assholes who are more worried about what side of a fence they sit on rather then doing anything with themselves.

>>145786
I voted for Trump in the hopes that he'd tear up all globalist obligations and claim more wealth for the US. Who cares about foreigners, fuck them. So far, Trump has been doing one of those so all is well. The global order needs to burn. This pacifism and globalist exploitation has made us weak, effeminate, and liberal. Where are our Napoleons, Alexanders, and Hitlers? Gone are the great conquerors and men who built history, replaced by uninspired liberals and technocrats.

>>145797
Noone cares

>>145802
That last one is wrong.

Good score though.

>>145804
>#notallyanks
Just sounds like more of their lies to me at this point.

>>144431
Postmodernists btfo

>>145807
>Just sounds like more of their lies to me at this point.

He didn't even win the popular vote. Furthermore, half the population didn't participate at all.

America is increasingly two nations, divided between the rural and the urban. Your American city goer is more likely to have more in common with Euros then his fellow countryman in some small town or farming community. That's why there's been so much schizophrenia and spite, because we are a house increasingly built on separate plans and architectural styles. If the divide was in geographic blocks rather then cities vs country, then we'd probably be a breath away from succession and Civil War 2.0.

>>145812
>implying urban Americans can even agree with each other.

>>145812
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

I'd feel no sympathy for the death of someone who stood idle while a child was raped.

This is my feeling toward the USA until Trump is gone.

>>144431
Idiot doesn't understand science, what else is new.

>>144451
we emit more than India despite having a fraction of the population. And emit much more per capita than china.

>>145209
nobody ITT is talking about doing that though, we're talking about AGW

>>145211
>b-but it's just a theory!
wow another climate denialist who doesn't understand even basic science

>>145814
America has some very anti-democratic means to suppress votes through reapportionment, service denials, and just all around inconvenience.

We are so completely fucked.

>>145822
You might be, America will be fine and that is all that really matters.

>>145825
It's going to be the other way around in a few years when we fall behind China in economic power.

>>145800
>there are efforts being made in various industries
Since the Paris accord, they are technically inside the Paris accord. That's the point of the Paris accord.

>>145827
Good maybe then China will make products for their country in America and get us working again.

>>145828
You're assuming that the us isn't doing anything about that outside of the paris accord, which is wrong. there are efforts being made in various industries

>>145829
>implying that robots won't eat all the jobs anyways

Manufacturing and productivity in America have been way up these past two decades, but still no great increase in jobs due to automation. In fact, automation is making it cheaper and more lucrative to bring factories back to the developed world, but that doesn't mean more jobs.

>>145831
someone has to repair those robots.

>>145817
You have a right to bare arms but all you bring is excuses.

>>145830
Watch as Trump cancels them in favour of more coal, oil and gas.

Put sanctions on America.

>>145832
Still a net job loss in the short to mid term. 10 or even 1 technician servicing a robots that have displaced 100s of workers isn't a good thing for wage earners. They wouldn't be automating otherwise if the price of maintenance was equivalent to the price of wages.

I'm certain new jobs will eventually be made, but its going to get really shitty in the decades until market equilibrium is reestablished.

>>145834
Yes!

Make them pay for the destruction they are causing.

>>145833
>Watch as Trump cancels them in favour of more coal, oil and gas.
You're assuming that the industries are only doing anything because the government forced them to, which is wrong. there are efforts being made independent of any government involvement.

>>145841
>there are efforts being made independent of any government involvement.

Keep spinning your party line Trumpcuck I don't care.

The US will pay tenfold for their selfishness, when your promised progress without government intervention fails to materialise.

>>145853
so you don't disagree with anything I said so you change the topic to whether or not it'll be effective even though I never claimed it would be, okay

>>145680
>replaced religion with eco-friendly mantras and "need for future human prosperity"

And this is bad because....?

>>145859
You just bring excuses and accuse me of assuming things.

You can bury you head in the sand and pretend industry will clean itself up voluntarily. I will be campaigning for import tariffs on American products until they stop trying to make special exceptions for themselves.

USA MUST PAY

>>145871
again you're arguing against something I never claimed because you don't disagree with what I actually said

>>145885
I thought you said that industry was cleaning it self up without government forcing them.

Forgive me if you aren't shilling the same old businessman's lie that the market will always fix things naturally through economics.

>>145836
If we had decent social programs we wouldn't have to be so terrified of automation or high efficiency technologies. In a sensible world high technology would be good for everyone. In our world it is monopolized by corporations that want to give as little back as possible, and politicians want to let them because trickle down whatever.

>>145889
I initially said various efforts will continue without the paris accord to point out how leaving the paris accord doesn't mean that the us isn't going to be trying anything any more. I didn't say that those efforts would be effective or that these efforts are only occurring outside of government. it's just that people were saying the us isn't trying anything outside of the paris accord so I argued against that.

>>145892
"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality.

The automation of factories has already decimated jobs in traditional manufacturing, and the rise of artificial intelligence is likely to extend this job destruction deep into the middle classes, with only the most caring, creative or supervisory roles remaining." —Stephen Hawking

“What to do about mass unemployment? This is going to be a massive social challenge. There will be fewer and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do better [than a human]. These are not things that I wish will happen. These are simply things that I think probably will happen.”—Elon Musk

“You cross the threshold of job-replacement of certain activities all sort of at once. So, you know, warehouse work, driving, room cleanup, there’s quite a few things that are meaningful job categories that, certainly in the next 20 years [will go away].”—Bill Gates

>>144762
Still not far enough. We need to physically separate every family in the country so everyone has to rely on themselves for everything.

Good to see USA losing more credibility internationally.

>>145895
>liberals will eat this shit up

The widening income gap is not a bad thing, but a good one as it makes people more competitive and productive. Just look at how much our productivity per worker has climbed as we've cut jobs. Our productivity is up 70% since Reagan even as costs have been lowered, which means more profit, all thanks to downsizing and increased worker motivation. When only the best survive, only the best is made.

>>145384
Hooboy, the madman actually did it. Suck it global leftist.

>>145895

With less work to do for people we will have get used to working shorter hours or having more of the population unemployed.

We can't all be the minimum wage guy switching the machine on and off unless we only work part time.

It's actually funny that Trump thinks he's making a good deal. When all he's done is cemented himself as a case study for future generations as somebody who doesnt understand game theory at all. Welcome to the Prisoner's dilemma America

I see lots butthurt was caused by this decision. Leads me to believe that America is being made great again.

>>145920
Yeah, me and my own are celebrating. We let off a whoop when we heard that we'd be withdrawing. We don't need none of that Nato UN crap to oppress us. Now, if only Trump would get on removing all the green tech that Obama forced on companies. I don't care if its already paid for, throw it out.

>>145925
Burn it in a coal fire.

>>145805
Did you conveniently forget how fucking shitty life was back then? Or are you're being obtuse on purpose?

>>145899
>

>>145871
Just remember your smug tone when we come for your resources and land. The globe shall be our lebensraum.

>>144770
so they dont know what nationalism is.
what a surprise.

>>144770
Thanks CIA

>even North Korea joins Paris
This is beyond sad for the orangutan drumpf.

>>144458
If you want to tackle climate change, you better give a shit about India and China so you can get them on board.

>>144458
lol are you retarded? Climate change is a GLOBAL problem. It only takes one or two countries to fuck everyone.

Assuming it exists. I didn't look very hard but I haven't seen any peer reviewed studies showing indisputable evidence that climate change is actually a thing.

>>145950
You suckers will be crying when it comes time to pay the bill for for the climate agreement America is laughing at you!

Hey, um, who did leaving this deal benefit? I won't pretend I read it, but it seems like there's a lot of business advantages to this thing plus his kids like it. Who did Trump do this for?

>>145747
Easy for you to say that from safety... I imagine that if you were ever unfortunate enough to see some real violence, you'd change your mind.

>>145958
The good of America.

>>145958
Didn't you see the Government Economic estimates?

It would cost the US 4million jobs, roughly 2 trillion overall as well as 100 billion to developing foreign governments and would allow India and China to build coal and oil plants while the US would have to shut down nesrly all of ours.

It's not helping the globe, it's transferring wealth and jobs to foreign countries while maintaining almost the same CO2 output

>>145930
He's either a child or an imbecile. Anyone who wants more "Napoleons, Alexanders, and Hitlers" is confirmed as not mentally an adult.

>>145680
Dude, there is more opportunity than there has ever been in human history for a random person to become part of the elite through smarts and effort. Why strive to keep going into the future? Because life is pretty good, and we're gonna die anyway, so why rush towards death? Not like there's any chance of missing out on it. It's never been this good for a smart person probably in all of history. I, a random child of middle class parents, am sitting here making a middle class income from home by typing on a plastic box. This is fucking incredible. Science is advancing - we're finding out more and more about the universe, which is a boon for all curious people. Why wouldn't I want to keep this going?

>>145027
Yes, it's a minor annoyance. The Islamic world is so far behind the West economically and scientifically (and thus, also militarily) that they have no hope of putting any kind of dent in the West. All they can do is fuck up the regions that they already control. The growth of Islam in Europe is happening with European consent. If Europeans decided that they didn't want it, the Islamic world would be helpless to do anything about it. Hence, minor annoyance.

>>145971
Islam is being forced upon the public by Globalists, and it's being ignored by passive cucks like yourself

>>145973
Don't be stupid. Islam is not being "forced" on the public. If the public wanted to change immigration policies, for example, it could simply vote for different politicians.

>>145978
>This guy doesn't know how the EU works
>Trump litterally did this and the left threw a tantrum

>>145979
The EU is ultimately democratically accountable to the people of Europe. What, are you arguing that if the European population was definitively against immigration, the policies wouldn't change?

>>145980
>Democratically

This guy doesn't know how the EU works

>>145982
The EU has to listen to the will of majorities because if it doesn't, the majorities can get their nations to leave the EU, like the UK did. What's so hard to understand about that?

>>145983
>Has to
No it doesn't
>Undemocratically elected officials that facilitate nepotism and political corruption

I don't like undemocratically elected people ruling over counties using the old carrot and stick method. Britain is getting shafted by the EU as an example to nations who step out of line.

What's so hard to understand about that?

It would have been nice if the corporate news media dedicated some time out of their 24 hours news cycle every day to try and educate folks on news regarding a pressing global economic and ecological threat rather than panicking for a while every time popular ignorance and myopia catches up with our society and produces unsurprisingly shitty outcomes.

>>145984
If anti-immigration sentiment had a real majority in Europe, there is nothing that the EU elites could do to stop it. Explain to me what the fuck the EU elites could do about it.

>>146005
Litterally just ignore the people

I'm not sure if youre just baiting or if you legitimately dont understand how things work, or have any historical understanding of how things have worked in the past in the EU

The EU decides what is best, and then advertises / propogandizes that stance from the bottom up. Anti EU sentiment is labeled as extremist and is quashed. Politicians who oppose the EU are labeled as radicals and racists. News programs are told to ignore crimes committed by refugees and immigrants, and to protect their identities when terror attacks are committed.

>>146007
If propaganda works to create a majority that feels a certain way, the majority still feels that way. It doesn't mean that the majority has been forced to feel that way. Propaganda is persuasion, not coercion. If a majority of Europeans had anti-immigration stances, it wouldn't matter if politicians were labeled radicals or racists. It wouldn't matter what news programs were told to do.
In the UK, a majority decided that they wanted out. And they got out. See, that's what happens when you actually have a majority.
Anti-immigration policies aren't implemented in Europe as a whole because they aren't popular. If you want to change that, try to shape the narrative. But don't give me some bullshit narrative about how the EU "forces" people to think a certain way.

>>145971
An organized group doesn't need to be any of those things before becoming a threat. Nails and pressure cookers don't discriminate.

>>146026
I never said Islam isn't a threat. I said that Islam isn't a major threat. And it isn't. A major threat is something like what the USSR was.

>>144431
Meh, I will never believe in climate change ever since they told us to stop using that refrigerator shit because it was bad for the atmosphere or something. It's been like 20 years and there was no notable difference. This new stuff is just more expensive and puts more money n the corporate stooges' pockets.

>>146029
Well I guess it depends on how you want to quantify a "dent" in this instance. The demoralization of populations through terror attacks continues to be a major problem for many first world countries. I mean, you can argue that military or economic can be a clear indicator of a legitimate threat but at the end of the day a dirt farmer with a sharp knife and the element of surprise can kill you just as easily as someone with a MOAB.

>>146032
When I say "major threat", I mean an existential or near-existential level threat. Something that has the potential to actually destroy or seriously damage the West. Killing a few hundred people a year does not make a group a major threat. Of course it's horrible for the people who are hurt in terrorist attacks, but a few hundred deaths a year is fewer deaths than are caused by all sorts of accidents.

>>146033
I don't understand. Are you implying that the West can only be damaged through the deaths of it's people?

>>144453
>fake news. He's not dumb enough to...

Yes he is. He really is.

>>146038

Different guy but I'll throw my opinion in the ring. Terrorism has only a few direct outcomes:
>casualties
>recruitment
>physiological damage
The first two of these values are far too low to affect the west as a whole, the first is terrible but not on a scale to collapse civilization, and the second is only enough to continue perpetuating the goals of the terrorists and won't convert a significant portion of the population. The third value is the scary one, because while by itself it means nothing, it can cause indirect effects which are the things that could damage the west, include foolish military ventures, increased governmental control, and general loss of freedom all in the name of stopping terrorism.

However, all these things are INDIRECT effects: leaders and citizens of the victim nation must make these changes on their own, terrorists cannot force these changes through their direct actions. As such terrorism itself is not a great threat to western civilization. Compare that to the Soviet Union, which not only had the same, if not greater, psychological damage (the red scares, McCarthysim, etc) but also could cause nation-ending casualties and could recruit larger numbers to the cause (socialism/communism has a way broader appeal than religious extremism since it appeals the idealists strain in a lot of people, particularly the young), and additionally could affect diplomatic, economic, and military policies that could have damaged the west without actually firing a shot. That is a major threat, since it could have directly challenged the west in a multitude of ways. In the modern day, Russia and China are larger threats because they can both employ much of the same capabilities of the Soviet Union, but are generally less belligerent than the Soviets were at the height of the Cold War (Russia had way more strength then, and China today has too much to lose in terms of business).

Terrorism, by comparison, is small potatoes.

>>145830
>there are efforts being made in various industries
Yes, but that's like saying Ford isn't an American because it's not owned by the government like NASA. Ford is American because it's in America.
Paris accord are not what you think they are. They are a promise by the entire world not to fuck it beyond repair.

>>145896
So you want to destroy your whole civilisation? Go back to being cavemen? Make the USD worth its weight in shiny rock?

>>145918
>White House spokesperson : "we are all innocent, nothing ever happened"
>Trump, on twitter : "I did it on purpose, it was the best for America, and I can do it if I want because I can I won the election, the democrast suck, I'm the best."

>>145958
Don't worry, Trump didn't read it either.

>>145967
They still vote, unfortunately.

>>145971
Trump sold 100 billion $ of weapons to the Arabs. The ones that want Islam domination and don't mind terrorism.

>>146007
FN were national socialists before being anti EU. Mélenchon wasn't labelled a racist because he wasn't racist. He is still an anti EU extremist.

>>145698

Why would one need God to determine anything?

God/gods were useful as humanity's metaphorical father figure but humanity has outgrown the need and reached the point where it should "leave the house" and determine its own fate.

Of course, some people can't handle the responsibility or the potential terror that a brush with nihilism might entail, so they're forced to become spiritual basement-dwellers, living their whole lives under the wing of a (possibly imaginary) authority figure that others have outgrown.

>>145896

Enough half-measures, we must separate each infant from their progenitors and force them to rely on their own cunning.

>>146030
>It's been like 20 years and there was no notable difference.
What about the massive droughts in Africa and the Middle East that for the past few years have displaced millions of refugees and sparked the Syrian war?

>>145814
unfortunately America is stuck with first-past-the-post system that leads to two-party rule. Last election we were stuck with two terrible candidates and no way to elect somebody that wasn't terrible

>>146075
>Yes, but that's like saying Ford isn't an American because it's not owned by the government like NASA. Ford is American because it's in America.
I don't see how this relates to the post you responded to at all.

I'd really rather deal with Pence than Trump. Pence isn't perfect but he can be reasoned with on some level. Like when he went to see Hamilton and the cast started talking to him. He didn't throw a tantrum and rant on Twitter. He listened to what they had to say.

>>146076
If God doesn't exist, then life has no meaning and nhilism or psuedo religion is inevitable

America hates god.
America loves war
Thread becomes a discussion about God and American wars.
Interspersed with science denial.
Makes sense.

>>146159

That's a primitive attitude. To entertain it is pointless and the sooner it, and the people who can't perceive a world where humans are spiritually and morally self-sufficient, are extinct, the better.

The best thing you can do for the earth is to keep quite and stay out of the way.

>>146194
It's not primitive, is basic Socratic logic.

If there is no Good then there is no meaning to life, then we are kidding ourselves by continuing to live.

Would it not be better for us to off ourselves? Anything else is just putting the world and universe at risk for our selfish need to continue on

>>146198

Goodness is subjective

It'd be better for lesser beings to off themselves so they don't perpetuate their destructive mindset and get in the way of those worthy of inheriting the earth.

>>146203
So like humanity in general

>>146206

You're projecting m8

>>146213
I mean at this point it sounds like your worldview is very elitist and spooky, like "only the privledged annointed worthy class will inherit the earth" vibe

But yeah, essentially a selfish yearning to continue on despite the fact that humanity's existance is a constant threat to itself and the world. I think that's what I'm getting.

>>146269
top kek. i always have fun reading such fucks like you.

only the privledged annointed worthy class will inherit the earth. and they are doing it since fucking civil war in USA.

>>146270
>only the privledged annointed worthy class will inherit the earth.

And you aren't one of them.

>>146270
Such fucks!

>>146270
Effectivley a nhilistic view, as I hypothesized. Interesting!

>>146269

>only the privledged annointed worthy class will inherit the earth

No, the lowly and backward people just shouldn't inherit it. Humanity's goal, in an individual and global sense, should be to better itself, and that would include being able to face a universe without the aide of some easily-manipulated mythical figureheads which millions of people have used since humanity's birth to justify some extremely retarded shit.

Besides, though, why shouldn't the worthy, the ones capable of rejecting primitive ideals, inherit the earth? Would you rather hand the decisions and nukes and shit to a bunch of gibbering cavemen who think it doesn't matter what happens on earth because "Gawd will fix e'erything an' ah'll be in heaven when sheit goes down anyway".

>>145424
>Behold the true face of the AVERAGE LIBERAL supporter; a creature of hatred, spite and envy with delusions of entitlement, country and principles be damned.

FIXED!

>>146330
This. They started it with Obama and Clinton. Now we'll end it.

>>146337
>Now we'll end it
I hope it ends the US.

>>145424
Alt right is mainstream and growing daily. Tha m Hillary for that.

>>146337
You mean Karl Marx and Mahatma Gandhi started it.

>>146879

http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/jesus-christ-is-a-capitalist/

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

You guys should to the last 30 or so seconds if not the whole audio bite

http://news.wgbh.org/2017/06/02/local-news/mit-researcher-president-trump-dont-cherry-pick-our-data

>>146972
Obviously crying because he knows he's not gonna get any more of the big gibmedats money that these climate "scientists" got to fabricate data for the Obama administration once Trump makes cuts. How is he gonna make the payments on his new Ferrari now? Get a real job, hippie!

>>146972
Ah, poor little libtard (((scientist))) trolled by mean Trump. This is why I voted for our President. He kicks in little bitches like this scientist. Liberals have always been the lying little douchebags on the playground, while we conservatives are the handsome jock that comes by to give him a wedgie, smack him around until he's black and blue, stuff him in a locker, and take his lunch money.

>>146973
America is flushing its money down the drain on these welfare-queen scientists and the colleges they dwell in. America will be great again once we give these academics the boot. These sorts of academics don't do anything for me or my own.

>>146972
Whenever I hear a liberal cry, it brings a smile to my face.
Whenever I see a liberal bleed, it gives me a boner.

>>146975

Anthropogenic climate change has been a prediction corroborated by consistent findings from scientists doing research across all manner of fields (climatology, but also geology, physics, chemistry, zoology, &c.). Scientists that work for the federal government but also scientists that work for non-profit agencies and for industry, including our oil companies. And scientists been collecting that data and arriving at comparable estimates for decades. The science itself is quite simple.

Virtually the only way Trump can find a team of scientists that don't think anthropogenic climate change is a serious issue is by hand picking scientists based on that criterion. Any random global sampling of experts, hired purely on the basis of qualifications, that have done the research is always going to get you the conclusion that AGCC is real, there's a serious risk that it will be an existential threat to economies and ecology in the future, and that the risk can be significantly mitigated by reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Level of commitment to international aid for transitioning countries to renewables was divvied up according the historic contribution to greenhouse gas emissions per country, and level of emissions reductions according to current per capita emissions, in the Paris Agreement. Many countries have already pledged a proportionate sum in aid to the developing world on that basis. Yet US is the only country that has withdrawn and we leave behind all but two countries, one without a legitimate government and another that refused to ratify the agreement in protest of it not being strong enough. All of the scientific expertise they've relied on is not part of a conspiracy. The only conspiracy here is a thinly veiled effort from Republican lawmakers to collect cheques from lobbyists and returns on stocks, and from Trump who seeks to win political points at any cost.

>>146973
>>146975
Holy shit. Welfare scientists? Seriously?

>>146146
Even if he just ignored them that's better than throwing a tantrum online to stir up even more shit, when you're supposed to be the President of the United States.

>>146987
Conservatives can't keep their rhetoric straight at this point. They've resorted to mashing together completely different groups they've deemed "enemies", until what they're saying doesn't make sense.

https://youtu.be/HLNhPMQnWu4

>>146987
Yeah scientists that rely on giverment funding because their work is pointless.

>>146986
Nonsense.

Agw is made from failed predictions and models that over estimate natural warming

Agw predictions of the past have all been proven wrong.

>>146998
>Conservatives can't keep their rhetoric straight at this point.
you mean the Alt-right.

They're in the same league as SJWs.

>>147044
No they aren't. Alt right actually has realty and facts on their side. It's why they are getting so big.

>>146998
It's pretty much proven the only "scientists" that push the age scam are the ones who rely on government money.

https://youtu.be/OwqIy8Ikv-c

>>147056
no, they tell people wha they want to hear like SJWs do, it is memes and spooks for people with low intelligence

>realty and facts
it is possible to base your views on a set of facts and still be wrong

>>147078
Example?

>>147056
>reality and facts
>he says this unironically in a thread about global warming, a topic that the "alt-right"has completely ignored reality and facts on

>>144472
Don't forget as well, that this is an international economy. It takes two to tango. And Chinese industrialism wouldn't be half of what it is without American demand.

In shaping our trade policy to be friendly to imported industrial goods, we have also fostered pollution in other countries. Just as countries we export to have encouraged us.

>>145405
As is a dedication to empirical fact.

>>147097
Pretty much his. For all the folks crying about globalism and at the same time government regulation, why not prempt the need for government intervention and uphold personal reaponsibility? Choose to forgoe the newest electronics, cheapest appliances, a German or Japanese car, and instead do some research, maybe wait a little longer, pay a little more, make a few compromises, and make a conscious choice choose to purchase American equivalents. Maybe if everything didn't have to be dirt cheap we wouldn't need to worry about China's imports, or illegals working where employers couldn't find American candidates to work for the same price, or minimum wage being too low, or as rapid an increase in greenhouse gas emissions from the developing world.

>>147078
Alt facts for the alt right.

>>147106
No, sorry I'm not changing my lifestyle for a theory.

>>147078
The reality is that man made climate change is a theory and those pushing the nonsense have been proven wrong time after time

>>147157
>The science is settled! Lots of politicians tell me so regularly!

>>147155
Please also give up gravitation theory and float away to space.

Makes me think how it was much hotter in the middle ages than it was now for a period. Climate change isn't natural at all... Real science is formed from consensus not facts. Ignore that there is absolutely zero correlation on a graph of the entire planet's history.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/16/propoganda-top-mit-climate-scientist-trashes-97-consensus-claim/