Wikileaks Unveils Vault 7: Largest Publication Of Class. CIA

>But perhaps what is most notable is the purported emergence of another Snowden-type whistleblower: the source of the information told WikiLeaks in a statement that they wish to initiate a public debate about the “security, creation, use, proliferation and democratic control of cyberweapons.” Policy questions that should be debated in public include “whether the CIA's hacking capabilities exceed its mandated powers and the problem of public oversight of the agency,” WikiLeaks claims the source said.

>The FAQ section of the release, shown below, provides further details on the extent of the leak, which was “obtained recently and covers through 2016”. The time period covered in the latest leak is between the years 2013 and 2016, according to the CIA timestamps on the documents themselves. Secondly, WikiLeaks has asserted that it has not mined the entire leak and has only verified it, asking that journalists and activists do the leg work.

>Among the various techniques profiled by WikiLeaks is “Weeping Angel”, developed by the CIA's Embedded Devices Branch (EDB), which infests smart TVs, transforming them into covert microphones. After infestation, Weeping Angel places the target TV in a 'Fake-Off' mode, so that the owner falsely believes the TV is off when it is on. In 'Fake-Off' mode the TV operates as a bug, recording conversations in the room and sending them over the Internet to a covert CIA server.

>As Kim Dotcom chimed in on Twitter, "CIA turns Smart TVs, iPhones, gaming consoles and many other consumer gadgets into open microphones" and added " CIA turned every Microsoft Windows PC in the world into spyware. Can activate backdoors on demand, including via Windows update"

>Key Highlights from the Vault 7 release so far:
>"Year Zero" introduces the scope and direction of the CIA's global covert hacking program, its malware arsenal and dozens of "zero day" weaponized exploits against a wide range of U.S. and European company products, include Apple's iPhone, Google's Android and Microsoft's Windows and even Samsung TVs, which are turned into covert microphones.
>Wikileaks claims that the CIA lost control of the majority of its hacking arsenal including malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized "zero day" exploits, malware remote control systems and associated documentation. This extraordinary collection, which amounts to more than several hundred million lines of code, gives its possessor the entire hacking capacity of the CIA. The archive appears to have been circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive.
>By the end of 2016, the CIA's hacking division, which formally falls under the agency's Center for Cyber Intelligence (CCI), had over 5000 registered users and had produced more than a thousand hacking systems, trojans, viruses, and other "weaponized" malware. Such is the scale of the CIA's undertaking that by 2016, its hackers had utilized more code than that used to run Facebook.
>The CIA had created, in effect, its "own NSA" with even less accountability and without publicly answering the question as to whether such a massive budgetary spend on duplicating the capacities of a rival agency could be justified.
>Once a single cyber 'weapon' is 'loose' it can spread around the world in seconds, to be used by rival states, cyber mafia and teenage hackers alike.

>CIA targets iPhones, Androids, smart TVs:
>CIA malware and hacking tools are built by EDG (Engineering Development Group), a software development group within CCI (Center for Cyber Intelligence), a department belonging to the CIA's DDI (Directorate for Digital Innovation). The DDI is one of the five major directorates of the CIA (see this organizational chart of the CIA for more details).
The increasing sophistication of surveillance techniques has drawn comparisons with George Orwell's 1984, but "Weeping Angel", developed by the CIA's Embedded Devices Branch (EDB), which infests smart TVs, transforming them into covert microphones, is surely its most emblematic realization.

>Also cars, suggesting that the CIA may have a role in the death of Michael Hastings:
>As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks.
The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations.

>And computers:
>The CIA also runs a very substantial effort to infect and control Microsoft Windows users with its malware. This includes multiple local and remote weaponized "zero days", air gap jumping viruses such as "Hammer Drill" which infects software distributed on CD/DVDs, infectors for removable media such as USBs, systems to hide data in images or in covert disk areas ( "Brutal Kangaroo") and to keep its malware infestations going.

Hoarding of Zero Day exploits:
>In the wake of Edward Snowden's leaks about the NSA, the U.S. technology industry secured a commitment from the Obama administration that the executive would disclose on an ongoing basis — rather than hoard — serious vulnerabilities, exploits, bugs or "zero days" to Apple, Google, Microsoft, and other US-based manufacturers.
>Serious vulnerabilities not disclosed to the manufacturers places huge swathes of the population and critical infrastructure at risk to foreign intelligence or cyber criminals who independently discover or hear rumors of the vulnerability.

Proliferation of leaked/hacked Cyberwar programs:
>While nuclear proliferation has been restrained by the enormous costs and visible infrastructure involved in assembling enough fissile material to produce a critical nuclear mass, cyber 'weapons', once developed, are very hard to retain. Cyber 'weapons' are in fact just computer programs which can be pirated like any other. Since they are entirely comprised of information they can be copied quickly with no marginal cost.
>Over the last three years the United States intelligence sector, which consists of government agencies such as the CIA and NSA and their contractors, such as Booze Allan Hamilton, has been subject to unprecedented series of data exfiltrations by its own workers.

The U.S. Consulate in Frankfurt is a covert CIA hacker base
>In addition to its operations in Langley, Virginia the CIA also uses the U.S. consulate in Frankfurt as a covert base for its hackers covering Europe, the Middle East and Africa. CIA hackers operating out of the Frankfurt consulate ( "Center for Cyber Intelligence Europe" or CCIE) are given diplomatic ("black") passports and State Department cover.
>The instructions for incoming CIA hackers make Germany's counter-intelligence efforts appear inconsequential: "Breeze through German Customs because you have your cover-for-action story down pat, and all they did was stamp your passport"

Examples of CIA Projects
>The CIA's Engineering Development Group (EDG) management system contains around 500 different projects (only some of which are documented by "Year Zero") each with their own sub-projects, malware and hacker tools. The majority of these projects relate to tools that are used for penetration, infestation ("implanting"), control, and exfiltration.

Umbrage:
>The CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation. With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.

Fine Dining:
>Fine Dining comes with a standardized questionnaire i.e menu that CIA case officers fill out. The questionnaire is used by the agency's OSB (Operational Support Branch) to transform the requests of case officers into technical requirements for hacking attacks (typically "exfiltrating" information from computer systems) for specific operations. Among the list of possible targets of the collection are 'Asset', 'Liason Asset', 'System Administrator', 'Foreign Information Operations', 'Foreign Intelligence Agencies' and 'Foreign Government Entities'. Notably absent is any reference to extremists or transnational criminals.

'Improvise';
>a toolset for configuration, post-processing, payload setup and execution vector selection for survey/exfiltration tools supporting all major operating systems like Windows (Bartender), MacOS (JukeBox) and Linux (DanceFloor).

HIVE:
>HIVE is a multi-platform CIA malware suite and its associated control software. The project provides customizable implants for Windows, Solaris, MikroTik (used in internet routers) and Linux platforms and a Listening Post (LP)/Command and Control (C2) infrastructure to communicate with these implants. The implants are configured to communicate via HTTPS with the webserver of a cover domain; each operation utilizing these implants has a separate cover domain and the infrastructure can handle any number of cover domains.

From the FAQ on Wikileaks' official press release:
What time period is covered?
>The years 2013 to 2016. The sort order of the pages within each level is determined by date (oldest first). WikiLeaks has obtained the CIA's creation/last modification date for each page but these do not yet appear for technical reasons. >Usually the date can be discerned or approximated from the content and the page order. If it is critical to know the exact time/date contact WikiLeaks.
What is "Vault 7"?
>"Vault 7" is a substantial collection of material about CIA activities obtained by WikiLeaks.
What is the total size of "Vault 7"?
>The series is the largest intelligence publication in history.
When was each part of "Vault 7" obtained?:
>Part one was obtained recently and covers through 2016. Details on the other parts will be available at the time of publication.
Is each part of "Vault 7" from a different source?
>Details on the other parts will be available at the time of publication.
How did WikiLeaks obtain each part of "Vault 7"?
>Sources trust WikiLeaks to not reveal information that might help identify them.
Isn't WikiLeaks worried that the CIA will act against its staff to stop the series?
>No. That would be certainly counter-productive.

More details, consequences, the leak itself here: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

already have a thead thanks

>>119087

>>119548
a shit thread with no quotes from the article or ANY discussion on the actual contents of leak/press release, outside of a single post: >>119146

This is the biggest relevation to come out in years, anon, and it's being swept aside even here just because CNN & friends refuses to cover it.

>>119533
Thank God. I hope this shows the intel agencies to be the obsolete, nuclear warmongers that they are. Hopefully, Trump will lock all of them up for treason, and we'll make up with the Russians and lift sanctions on them. They're the only people who'd be willing to have our back, and look at what we've done to them. We've let Europe (mostly Germany) shit all over them (and us). The globalist EU and China should be our true enemies, not Russia.

>>119540
>Hoarding of Zero Day exploits:
this is in breach of CIA's promised commitment to the Obama administration to follow the Vulnerabilities Equities Process. they're supposed to immediately share any zero-day vulnerabilities found to MS, Apple, etc. The idea being if CIA discovered the exploit, so can anyone else

our presidents use these phones. any foreign governments could easily be using the same exploits to spy on and control their phones.

>>119536
>CIA turned every Microsoft Windows PC in the world into spyware. Can activate backdoors on demand, including via Windows update"
>still using winblows in current year

>>119556
meh, most of them were already patched
none of this info is worth a shit, i wouldn't be surprised if i later found out they leaked it themselves

>>119533
Thanks for posting this anon: this is THE biggest thing happening right now, and it's being buried everywhere.

>>119533
>>Among the more notable disclosures which, if confirmed, "would rock the technology world", the CIA had managed to bypass encryption on popular phone and messaging services such as Signal, WhatsApp and Telegram
>would rock the technology world"
but this is common knowledge to the "technology world"
dont need any leaks to know this happens.

>>119575
>>119593
fuck off with your disinfo. this is all new. these are HARDWARE backdoors

>>119613
Let's see Russia fuck em up now. CIA needs a black eye after all the lying and the attempted soft coup against ourguy Trump.

>>119553
It's a slow board, anon. Post it in /b/ or something if you want 8 gorillion replies. Otherwise you shoulda just added this to the other thread.

>>119615
A slow board with posting standards. Previous OP belongs on /b/. The only two posts in the 100 post thread that show any evidence of even reading the press release:
>>119146
>>119454

>>119533
>Another profound revelation is that the CIA can engage in "false flag" cyberattacks which portray Russia as the assailant. Discussing the CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group, Wikileaks' source notes that it "collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.
MSM will ignore this and useful idiots will still push the forced narrative

>>119635
This is why the FSB must win in the backroom fight against the US. We can't let the CIA win.

Who else wants a constitutional amendment to ban all US spying, both domestically and internationally, along with secret classifications? All documents should be open to the public, and all actions held accountable. We do not need the CIA, FBI, NSA, or homeland security. Our greatest threat is the liberal order in our own government.

C'mon Trump, make it happen!

>>119613
>all new
the proof is new,
but that it can happen has always been known.

Has anyone thought of this as a big fucking honeypot? Maybe to spread programs. I'm looking at this like what would be the best way to spread a bunch of shit as quick as possible. Lets make wikileaks think there getting info? If I was cia that's what I would do. Just my opinion

>Anon A: "This isn't news!"
>Anon B: "Yes it is!"
>Anon A: "We have known all this time!"
>Anon B: "This is very significant news nonetheless!"
>Anon A: "This isn't news!"

>replies: 23
WOW GREAT DISCUSSION OP

>>119654
Keep crying to mama Trump.

>>119654
Thanks for the constructive post!
>>119648
That's irrelevant. Go on the street and ask how people if they think their Samsung TV can spy on them, then come back with how many looked at you funny and asked if you were on drugs.

This isn't necessarily public knowledge

>>119648
That it could happen has been THEORIZED. things like smart TV false-off or remote controlling any car using a CAN bus (e.g. anything after 2001) have never been discovered being done, or independently achieved except in isolated experiments. this was exclusively the domain of fringe 'nutters'.

fucking normalfags just immediately accept anything and everything they're told to. they've got zero sense of justice or dignity. this is a violation of your fourth amendment rights, get angry.

>>119654
>nothing to see here goy!
Desperate much?

>>119694
I would be careful reading wikileaks, anon. Only CNN can legally go to their website.

>>119693
>That it could happen has been THEORIZED. things like smart TV false-off or remote controlling any car using a CAN bus (e.g. anything after 2001) have never been discovered being done, or independently achieved except in isolated experiments. this was exclusively the domain of fringe 'nutters'.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The NSA has had the ability to remotely turn cell phones into recorders for well over a decade and anyone in the sigint community knew this. So should have anyone technically inclined.

>>119700
forgot to mention that includes any "smart" or "connected" device, not just cell phones, but phones were the first. Any speaker can work both ways as a general rule.

>>119693
>Theorized

Even if you don't know shit about tech? Htf can you not know about remote operation of devices? My mother knows jack shit on tech and even she knew people could hack into a computer cam and spy on you.

Car control has been shown to occur several times in published papers. Just because it isn't making headlines does not mean it get thrown out the window.

The only people suprised by this shit are the ones who get suprised countries spy on other countries.

>>119614
>>119639
>Russia so great
>US so shitty
>Down with US

Wish you'd stop. Just because one side might be doing bad shit, doesn't make their adversary automatically good.

>>119705
>“Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world.”
-Edward Snowden

>""In Russia, there are many vibrant publications, online blogs, and Kremlin critics such as [Alexey] Navalny are part of that spectrum. There are also newspapers like "Novaya Gazeta", in which different parts of society in Moscow are permitted to critique each other and it is tolerated, generally, because it isn't a big TV channel that might have a mass popular effect, its audience is educated people in Moscow."
-Julian Assange

How does it feel to know that Russia is more of a beacon of freedom then America, liberal?

https://youtu.be/sj7-mC9HOms
Even printers have been bugged.

This shit has probably been in vehicles for decades too

>>119706
Give it a rest

>>119706
>Beacon of freedom
>Can't be openly gay
>Suppression of information
>Dat history
Beacon of freedom of the retarded maybe

>>119710
Read the quotes, mate.

>>119709
I'm not going to let a bunch of Clinton shills start to "correct the record" here.

>>119691
That's Samsung's problem
And now they know everyone gets a patch
And what, you think the CIA wastes resources spying on everyone who owns a Samsung? What are you 12

>>119708

CIA can hack electronic devices connected to the internet and use them for surveillance

I for one am completely shocked by this revelation

I always thought intelligence agencies hid behind potted plants to gather information on suspects

>>119533
>zerohedge
Not a valid news source. Why is this so difficult for people?

>>119728

Neither is wikileaks, since we don't have a source from the intel, we don't know if the documents were edited, and it's not an organization culpable for what they post toward any aim other than to get peoples' attention.

If some experts were to give their opinion that the documents appeared legitimate that would be news.

>>119731
>If some experts were to give their opinion that the documents appeared legitimate that would be news.

Already been reported, intel community people said, while they can't vouch for every single word, it appears legit.

>>119731
It is highly suspect for me that the release of these documents coincides with the renewed scrutiny on Trump for his relationship with Russia.

Then again, I don't really trust our deep state all that much.

>>119765
I see two scenarios:

WL (Russia) released it to give a smokescreen/out for Trump. So long as their is plausible deniability, they can't do shit to Trump without severe fallout. Certain portions of the leaks, such as the CIA talking about falseflag ops, would let Trump easily pin any Russian hacking shit on the CIA.

The second scenario is that the CIA released it to turn the public even more so against Trump. As you said, it is highly suspicious the timing of these leaks, and it'll be ticking off all sorts of alarms for people (so long as they don't start looking at the contents of the leaks, which most won't).

Personally, I think the first is more plausible. WL has covered for Trump a couple of times in the past, even condemning all the internal leaks from the White House, despite Assange saying that he doesn't really like Trump all that much.

>>119766

The Intercept (Greenwalde's site) is saying that Assange's claim about the CIA attempting to frame Russia is wrong:

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/08/wikileaks-files-show-the-cia-repurposing-foreign-hacking-code-to-save-time-not-to-frame-russia/

>>119724
You're not getting it. They're installing spy devices IN our electronics.

Every printer puts a signature on whatever you print.

Cell phones go through the CIA before they're delivered to you.

This is worse than spying. They're putting bugs in our printers, phones, cars.

>>119773
Yeah, for all the screams of Russia this and Russia that, at least they aren't bugging their citizen's devices. Like Snowden and Assange said here >>119706 , Russia is quickly becoming the upholder of human rights and open societies.

>>119777
No they just kill them in creative ways, like plutonium laced tea.

>>119777
You can hate one set of bullshit without subscribing to another. The US intelligence community acting like this is fucking unacceptable, but at the same time buying into Russia's bullshit is stupid too. The FSB, SVR, and GRU don't act much differently than the FBI, CIA, or NSA. Don't think just because Russians might help expose American top-down corruption they care about fighting the concept rather than fighting America.

Use the tools someone gives you, but don't become beholden to them. Russia doesn't care about you anymore than the American intelligence community does. You don't need to play cheerleader for the Kremlin to hate the American deep state and the political parasites who enable it.

>>119712
I did. The idea that Russia is a beacon of freedom when it comes to human rights is laughable.
>>119719
Is there any word on them releasing a patch? Feels like of they also only just know about this, fat load a patch is going to do
>Lol they don't spy on everyone!
No one implied that, but that doesn't mean those backdoors being open is a good thing in anyway. Jesus I thought that shit tier argument went out years ago.

>>119777
>at least they aren't bugging their citizen's devices.
Are you willfully retarded? This is probably without a doubt something most first world nations do.

>>119784
tbh you can't say alot about russia because there is almost no information leaked about russia. It's such a closed country.

>>119567
>implying that they don't hax linux or mac with ease

>other thread is full of shitposters who want to make this about the trump-russia conspiracy theorys and partisan nonsense
>OP linked them here
Didnt think that through did you?

That said, shocking stuff. It furthur confirms what the patriot act implied, and with the recent overturning on the NSA toybox this furthur disrupts the USAs cyber firepower. This is certainly going to result in a fuckton of zerodays getting fixed though, so theres a silver lining

>>119867
>trump-russia conspiracy theorys
They aren't theories. It's provable fact.

>>119766
I think your second scenario is one dimension of underwater chess too many for the CIA to be playing. Too much chance of it backfiring, amd it would take too much coordination. Not to mention that I fail to see how this would even undermine Trump, would the implication be that he somehow participated in the leak?
I'm also not certain on how explicit any cooperation between WL and Russian intelligence services really is. I'm thinking they might just be playing Assange for his grudge against the US establishment and sending him """anonymous""" leaks that would allow him to keep plausible deniability even if all his shit got dumped.
One way for the CIA/other spooks to find out more about that would be to set up their own operation where a middleman unconnected to them leaks some Russian intel to WL (you just know they have a bunch of shit on the Russkis) and then they wait and see if it gets published. In fact, they might have already done that and drawn their conclusions from the fact that nothing was published.
Sometimes I really wish I was a 400lb hacker who knew how to hack the pentagon and the CIA and get away with it.

>>119710
>can't be openly gay
a society discouraging diseased ridden degeneracy doesn't mean you don't have freedom.

>>119843
>implying I'm not on openBSD
bite me CIAniggers

>>119977
Freedom is overrated. Only bluepilled guzzling imbeciles accept that democracy is good. Monarchies are the only form of governance that is natural to the human condition. Look up nRx (neo Reactionary movement) if you want to become redpilled.

>>119984
Hereditary nobility isn't great, but I wouldn't be opposed to a sort of feudalism based off of anarcho-capitalistic ideals.

>>119984
You're retarded. Democracy and freedom aren't the same thing. People had much, much more freedom under monarchy than they do today.

NRx is a dead movement lead by a sophistic jew who just wants to put himself in power, like all jews. Nick Land is the only relevant thinker in it. Natsoc is the end result of NRX, it's directly in line with both gnon and human good (e.g. anthroprocentrically filtere gnon). You'll get there eventually anon.

>>119986
>People had much, much more freedom under monarchy than they do today.

This is painfully retarded.

The difference between monarchy and democracy is that people have no direct say in government beyond what the monarch allows, and no mechanism for revolution built into the system.

Democracy is an essential pillar of of what protects freedom, but it's not the whole story. We also have a constitution that guarantees an independent press, a bill of right s, and separation of powers. By themselves, any one of these things are too easily undermined, have a negligible influence on protecting individual freedom or can actively compromise it in some cases. The important detail is the synergy of these institutions combined within a single society.

And that's precisely why authoritarians like Trump and Putin and ethnic nationalists actively work to undermine these institutions.

This calls into question whether "Russia" hacked the DNC. This clearly shows that the CIA are able to steal malware/hacking "digital prints", and make it look like hacking came from other countries. It at the very least, calls into question whether they can actually verify it was Russia that hacked the DNC. Assange and Wikileaks have said it was 100% not Russia that gave them the intel, and that their source was someone that could get access (ie. probably someone within the DNC. Aka. A Whistleblower).

The CIA/FBI never gave us any proof, that Russia was involved. They just said they had intel that proved it. So we are going completely on faith. When the Obama admin came guns blazing, saying that it was 100% Russia, i kept waiting for the proof, and it never came. I have no clue how I feel about Assange or Wikileaks. But I do know that their track record to date, has been pretty accurate (I don't mean their motivations). Also don't forget, it was the Obama admin/intelligence that said the Sony Hack was North Korea. They told everyone this over and over, and the media + the public just accepted it. But then it turned out, it wasn't North Korea at all. It was an ex-Sony employee, who had been fired. They had purposely let open a black door, to give others access. It was not politically motivated. It had nothing to do with that stupid Seth Rosen film. It was an angry ex-employee, motivated by anger, over losing his job.

Of course, this just goes to show how morally bankrupt the Democrats and the deep state are, and why we need to get rid of them. America should be a spy/liberal free nation. No CIA, to intelligence gathering agencies, no nothing. Only once we've disabled our government's intelligence gathering capabilities can we be truly free.

>>120029
What they are trying to achieve is a nuclear war with Russia. They have wanted to spite Russia for so long, ranging from the assassination of the Russian ambassador, to the drone attacks in Syria. Now they've faked a hacking attempt. Trump is trying to make things better by dropping NATO and Europe and taking Russia's side, so the Clintonite deep state has decided a coup against him. This is why the US must abolish all spy agencies and secrets. The US should be a glass house like Russia, for everyone to peek into and look at. If what America is doing is moral, if America was truly open, then it should not fear anything. No secrets, no crimes.

But I guess you Americans are afraid that I and other Russians will hack your toasters or something (like your CIA is currently doing right now).

>>119710
Assange is correct however. He is widely praised for spreading the truth; how is this any different. Do some research, and you'd be surprised.

>>120029
>This calls into question whether "Russia" hacked the DNC.

No, it doesn't

The timing of this is incredibly suspicious, and they're counting on gullible idiots to make that connection.

They want Trump supporters to point out that since intelligence agencies like the CIA can hack into electronics, maybe they're framing Russia, with absolutely no evidence to boot.

And the news is meant to distract from leaks regarding Trump's administration's collusion with Russia, which happened regardless of the hacks.

>The CIA/FBI never gave us any proof, that Russia was involved. They just said they had intel that proved it. So we are going completely on faith.

No, the fate of the CIA and FBI are in the hands of Congress and the President and the Courts, which in turn are controlled ultimately by the vote. They are not independent of the US government.

Unlike the CIA and FBI, Wikileaks and Putin have absolutely no culpability with respect to the confidential US government information they leak, except that Assange is counting on information from Russia and support from Putin given that western governments want to imprison him. Wikileaks does not have the expertise of the CIA and FBI, they've not provided a source for their leaks, and there's no way to verify what has been edited by them or leakers in any case.

With any level of scrutiny, calling the CIA and FBI equal to Wikileaks in credibility or calling the US government "the same" or "just as bad" as Russia is totally bogus misinformation. Complete false equivalence with the slightest bit of genuine scrutiny.

I continue to be unsurprised that a spy agency is spying on people. It's literally what they are there for. It is why I support getting rid of them. Not replacing, or changing them, but no intel agencies. Cut the budget, get the personnel out, close them down, no more issues with Americans being spied on.

>>120035
>>120059
>Cut the budget, get the personnel out, close them down, no more issues with Americans being spied on.

Yeah, it'll just be foreign governments spying on us instead.

Weird how these leaks always appear when Trump is under fire from something

weird.

>>120069
Trump has been under fire 24/7 since the day he announced his campaign, stupid ass.

>>120069
It's the problem with open vs closed societies, especially in the internet era. The means of attacking them is highly limited, while they can attack us from nearly any direction. This asymmetry is a nightmare to deal with.

In the past, it was easier to control the flow of information and counter propaganda efforts from the Nazis, Commies, Catholics, and other groups. With the internet being what it is, they now have the tools to disseminate their propaganda quickly, cheaply, and easily directly to their intended targets.

The large amount of renewed cynicism, distrust, and weakening civic/societal identity in America post-Bush/Obama (the initial kernel of distrust can be traced back to LBJ/Nixon and Vietnam) has also provide fecund ground for many of these ops against us.

Regimes such as China and Russia have also wised up, and realized that keeping your public distracted is much more effective then oppressing them. Thus these closed systems are even more difficult to counter in any meaningful way.

This doesn't mean that I'm arguing for greater control to be given to the government, just that this should be a weakness that people should realize. People need to solve this problem by becoming more internet literate. The government, likewise, should make serious efforts to reform themselves and begin actually helping people in meaningful ways or else face the instability, extreme politics, demagoguery, and foreign intervation that so many third world democracies face.

>>119869
>zero evidence except the Party making it the official line in their propaganda and absurd conjectures
It doesn't even deserve to be called a conspiracy theory. They all at least have some ground to stand on, there's not a single reason to believe Russia was involved over any other actor - let alone for believing a hack even happened in the first place. Podesta fell for a basic bitch phishing attempt, that's not a hack. The rest were clearly leaks, most likely by Seth Rich.

>>120106
Russia aren't the bad guys. We're way closer to their ideals then Europe. If only America would wake up.

It is funny that this Russia thing is so widely reported when Clinton's pedo ring had far more credible sources to it.

Dismantle CIA, NSA !! They have got too much power! We dnt need spy agency. most countries don't have it and the ones that do are not even 1/10 the size of CIA. its the OTHER COUNTRIES that should be protecting themselves from the US. I can see the rest of the world uniting against america with all the dirty shit thats coming up, same way we did against the nazis. we wouldnt need inteligence agencies if we treated the world better. even now they attempting to goad us into WWIII.

intelligence agency has done FAR more damage than it has prevented. And the reason why it will be able to continue damaging everything is because people like liberals buy this "must defend ourselves" bull shit propaganda that has been proven time and again to be false.

Someones should hacked in to their systems, deleted or stole all the files and programs, and corrupted the entire system so it will never be usable again. There was that one guy who accidentally made it so if you clicked on his MySpace page it would automatically friend you and send out a link so more people would be friended. He got millions of friends in no time. Maybe something like that would be well suited for the CIA and nsa?

disband Cia now. CIA does nothing to benefit the US. The CIA should be destroyed they consistently lie and undermining civil liberties globally

>>120140
Why don't we just disarm our military and sell off our nuclear warheads while we're at it?

>>120039
wikileaks is creditable and this is the CIA until they disprove it it happened

Seems to me that the CIA, NSA and U.S. government actually knew who is the real culprit of ISIS, or any other terrorist organization. They knew that everything starts from the U.S. secret agency. And I think the missing $6.5 Trillion from the pentagon, those monies were allocated for terrorist activities. As for the $540 million that pentagon used to pay the UK's PR to create a propaganda in Iraq, that $500 million is just a small portion of the missing $6.5 Trillion. Thank God Trump is in control now and will fix it all up. Make America Great Again.

CIA,NSA and Homeland security needs to be disbanded

The USA can't have an intelligence agency and will be forbidden from gathering intelligence on either its own people or foriegn nations

Last time i checked most of its allies are not trying to spy on americans
the only ones to succeed are China and Russia
both of which were responses to USA foreing diplomacy against them and the USA has failed to stop so i really don't see a reason why the CIA or NSA need to continue to remain in power anymore

>>120146
See, I don't like the CIA shit either, but this faggotry is so hilariously retarded it's almost perplexing how anyone came to it.

>The USA can't have an intelligence agency and will be forbidden from gathering intelligence on either its own people or foriegn nations

The fuck are you smoking? Every nation is entitled to it's own self-interest. I don't want the US spying on everyone to the point there's no sense of privacy anymore, but advocating for a complete disbanding of the intelligence community is fucking retarded.

>>120140
>Da, ya amerikaneets!
This post is riddled with too many grammatical errors for me to see it as anything but Russian LARPing.

Do you faggots actually think because we want to drag the commies in our universities to the trash bin and shut down non-European immigration that we're just going to start licking the pierogi dough off your nuts and nod along while you suggest we cuck ourselves to you instead of the Middle-East/Africa?

>>119783
There is no back door there is a vulnerability, there's a difference
The agencies didn't create it they just exploited it

As I said, Samsung's problem

Also you seem unaware that agencies, like every other govt entity, have to gain judicial clearance before they can apply the exploit to Joe six pack. You can complain to Samsung about the vulnerability, and you can complain to the govt about the legal framework, but don't conflate the two.

>>119994
>Democracy is an essential pillar of of what protects freedom
Said no one ever. Democracy immediately degenerates into tyranny, ask the founding fathers.

>Trump
>authoritarian
Oh, it's retarded

>>120039
>maybe they're framing Russia, with absolutely no evidence to boot.
Kek, you mean like how there's zero evidence russian had any involvement whatsoever?

So basically every "hacker attack" might be fake, the CIA can influence/manipulate virtually anything and could have done so for some time, no linux, tor or closed network safe space. They have incredible power and no regulation. Or it's all just fake to support Trump/Russia/whatever the fuck, sure. Either way it shows how absolutely ridiculous the world is.