Trump bans all travel from Muslim nations. Except the ones that

>elect billionaire for president
>get suprised when he's corrupt from the start
lol you guys didn't really think he was going to be fair and altruistic as a leader did you? He's a businessman. He would throw his wife under a bus if it meant his investments would rake in profits

>>105132
>>get suprised when he's corrupt from the start
How exastly is stopping filthy, dumb, muslim scum from entering your country bad?

are americans the most cucked nation alive?

they LITERALLY THOUGHT electing a self-serving billionaire would HELP them.

BTFO
T
F
O

>>105144
Shut the hell up henry, your lack thinking for yourself if you believe banning all muslims is the correct thing to do in the land of the free.. or is it only land of the free whites???? Causes seems trumpkins dont like any type of minority.. what yall redneck hicks are gaining from this hate is only going to be bad for yall, bring on a civil war to purge the paleskin that think america is for the whites only

>>105157
>or is it only land of the free whites?
That's what the founding fathers intended.

>Causes seems trumpkins dont like any type of minority
You managed to figure that out even with your subhuman brain. Most impressive.

>bring on a civil war to purge the paleskin that think america is for the whites only
>thinking you can win against a race that's smarter, more organized, and armed to the teeth
kek
KEK

>>105144
The only issue is he isn't blocking Saudi, Turkey, and Egypt too. And he's probably only sparing them for dat oil.
>NYdaily and CNN in the OP.
It's like a liberal spin story wonderland in this thread.

>>105160
>Turkey
>oil
of course a cretin like you would go for the "liberal spin" damage control

so what happens after 90 days?
is terrorism over in 3 months?
isnt that a little too optimistic?

>>105144
>stopping filthy, dumb, muslim scum from entering your country
>unless you happen to privately profit off of those filthy, dumb, muslim scum coming to your country
He's not banning anybody from the countries that ACTUALLY sent terrorists to the US, because he has private business deals with those countries. You know, that whole "conflict of interest" thing?

>>105160
>It's like a liberal spin story wonderland in this thread.
This board has become a backwater for WaPo and NYT themed threads where people endlessly circle jerk about Trump until conflict arises, at which point they pick another of the dozens of fresh "Trump is Bad Stop Giving Him Attention" news headlines WaPo, NYT, and their ilk roll off of their lines every 12 seconds, and they go and start a new thread to circle jerk in until the cycle repeats itself.

Half the time the original topic of the thread is lost within the first dozen posts.

>>105117
>Saudi arabia not on the list

SIGH

>>105117
"Free country"

AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Amerikuks prepare for sanctions. And breadlines. But dont worry.. Pravda, or FoxNews will be there to comfort you in that its all 0bummers fault.

>>105174
Actually its because theyre our allies.

Didnt you morons think he was going to randomly piss every country off? Well look at reality.

>>105189
Freedom ain't free. The tree of liberty and freedom gotta be littered with the shreds of green cards previously held by Muslims. Chuck Shlomo Schumer a.k.a "CuckS" is not my president. He is reptilian globalist and probably Israeli as well :DD Adam and Eve not Adham and Eifa ok. Praise Trump.

>>105196
Fuck the Saudis, we don't need their bullshit anymore. The royal family is funding ISIS, we don't need to support someone who shits in our beds behind our back. Pull all of our business interests and watch em squirm in 100 years when the oil runs out and they have no fucking water.

Good riddance, Saudi Arabia is the reason the middle east is like it is today.

>>105177
Libtards have to have their safe spaces, but now that Trump is elected, their bubble is breaking and they realize that they're a minority and that the majority that surrounds them wants to drag them into the street and kill them and their relations slowly.

What he said

>>105205
Disregard this

>>105204
>46% is a "majority"
wewlad, Trumpets really are bad at math!

>>105177
>>105160
>recently elected leader of the world's most powerful nation signs a very significant executive order
>we should pretend this isn't news because talking about it hurts your fee-fees

>>105202
What is he supposed to do? Get assassinated?

He will do the most he can for America while also staying alive.

>>105207
>46% is a "majority"
See: Winners who played to the Republic, not losers who played to mob rule.

>fee-fees
Back to Tumblr with you.

>>105117
The problem with these guys is they have one set of rules for themselves, another for family and another and another. Every institution is plagued at the top by this false sense of superiority, spawned by their boundless ego, ignorance and arrogance.

>>105177
>>105160

All news is biased to some extent. The important thing that allows them to be credible news sources is the expectation that they report facts. Aside from that you just need to use critical thinking to process the facts and figure out what else you need to look for in order to get the full picture. Honestly, this demonizing of news outlets is really concerning. We need the news to keep the government accountable, and its pretty dumb to try to invalidate all news so that the government can get away with whatever they want. What else should we even post in /news/ if not CNN, WaPo, NYT and the like?

>>105222
Bluepilled sources like those you'd find on /pol/.

>>105144
>filthy dumb muslim scum
>except the Saudis, even if they're funding most of the terrorism in the Middle East they paid us money so they're okay
Trump is a massive hypocrite

>>105160
>Saudi Arabia, the country almost single-handedly responsible for the terrorism in the Middle East, is excluded
>Trump also has several private interest deals there
Really activates my almonds

>>105222
You shouldn't post liberal rags, you should just post clearly unbiased sources like Breitbart, Fox News and RT.

>>105222
>Honestly, this demonizing of news outlets is really concerning. We need the news to keep the government accountable
News outlets that have been acting like lick spittles for the past eight years?

No, we don't need anything from them accept an apology.

>What else should we even post in /news/ if not CNN, WaPo, NYT and the like?
Outlets that didn't spent years shilling for the government when Obama was in power, who also didn't spend months shilling for Hillary such to the point that they called they tried calling the election for her in fucking August.

None of that is just going to go away and stop mattering because you want it to.

>>105229
Fox News has spin, but they're mostly truthful when reporting on shit (not necessarily commentating). RT and Breitbart are shit though.

>>105117
Turkey is a NATO member, and Saudi Arabia enforces the petrodollar that keeps the US from collapsing. I don't know anything about Egypt.

>N-NO, DUMPF IS CORRUPT AND EVIL
>HE ONLY EXEMPTED THEM BECAUSE OF HIS NAZI MONEY AND HITLERIAN BUSINESSES

Also, who the fuck thinss Iraqis are gonna win a case when it's explicit federal law that the President of the US can deny admission to any and all classes of alien that are deemed a threat to the US? You don't have any rights here, get out.

>>105231
>News says mean things because Trump said/did something stupid
>REEEEE HOW DARE THEY INSULT OUR GOD-EMPEROR APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOOOW
Why are Trumpcucks such a bunch of crybabies?

>>105233
See >>105228
>what are Wahabbis

>>105232

The amount of spin and out of context stories on Fox News leaves it borderline propaganda. It might be good for individual stories, but never get the entirety of your news from Fox News.

It's opinionated programming is textbook definition of propaganda.

>"JOHN KERRY SAYS TERRORISM SHOULDN'T BE SHOWN ON TELEVISION!!1!1!1!!1!!!"
>look up story
>John Kerry says terrorism shouldn't be shown on Middle Eastern television because it radicalizes young citizens into becoming ISIS members
>a debatable viewpoint, but still FAR different than the implied banning of terrorist acts on American television

>>105234
>Why are Trumpcucks such a bunch of crybabies?

I know right? Did you see them screaming and crying in the streets with those silly pink hats, leaving trash everywhere and furiously destroying private property because the government cut off their free stuff?

Remember when they tried to launch a soft coup by making up bogus Russian hacking claims and tried to use it to sway the Electoral College to not vote for the candidate who won the election?

Oh wait.

>>105228
Saudi Arabia is a stable country that's worth doing business in, and despite their terrorism, is literally actually factually the linchpin of the entire US currency.

Oh but DRUMPF should have tanked the whole country so that all the people who already hate him regardless couldn't have this particular avenue of criticism to leverage.

Really gets the noggin joggin.

>>105238
It's not fake though, just has a shitton of spin. Infowars is fake news, Fox is not.

>>105238
>Le Fox News boogeyman

It is literally a better and more factual news source than CNN and MSNBC, it's only """"major"""" competitors. But I guess the opinion shows on that network makes the entire network evil empire propaganda, while the opinion shows on the other networks are serene blissful truth tellers for le resistance.

>>105241

I agree, it's not fake, just ridiculous spin.

Not the original guy you were responding to, btw.

>>105239
>WAAAAAH,WAAAH, PEOPLE ARE EXCERSIZING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, REEEEEEEEE
>Russian hacking claims
>bogus
Fucking lol

>>105240
>they may be responsible for everything wrong with the middle east today, but we'll stil llet them in instead of everything else because they gave Trump money, the Wahabbis are our greatest ally
Reminder that most of the terrorists involved in 9/11 were Saudi citizens. I hope that your city is the next one blown up

>>105242

Where did I say CNN and MSNBC were valid news sources? The vast majority of cable news is opinionated garbage because there's not enough news to cover 24/7. The TV is a horrible medium for in-depth news; and because of why people turn on TV in the first place, resorts to sensationalized garbage that is just talking heads spouting rhetoric back and forth.

Every interview on CNN and Fox News ever.

>FOX news brings in John Lewis who spews some bullshit that trump is an illegitimate president
>Tucker Carlson annihilates him

>CNN brings in Greg Phillips, the moron who claims he has evidence 3 million voters voted illegally
>gets destroyed

>fuck nugget viewers think the other side is EHDEEUHTS!!11!1!1!

>>105245
>PEOPLE ARE EXCERSIZING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS
>Assault and private property damage
>First Amendment Rights
Violent temper tantrums aren't covered under the 1st amendment sweaty.

>Fucking lol
Right? A joke that just won't die. Like all the WMD's in Iraq, or "If you like your doctor/plan you can keep it".

>>105239
Well, we'll make sure they never get close to winning an election ever again when we redraw the congressional districts in 2020.

>>105249
>a small minority of people riot in a huge protest
>therefore they're all rioters
wew

>>105245
Cool dude, and without them the US would cease to function. We could replace them with Russia, since they're also a major energy producer and regional superpower, but Russia is evil and wicked now because they let everyone find out how miserably corrupt the DNC is apparently, so the screeching crybabies would rather have the Saudis who actively try to murder us and probably all of Europe too.

Have fun.

>>105247
It's lies by omission. Saying Fox News is shit while ignoring the 2 larger piles of shit adjacent to it is disingenuous.

This is the kind of bullshit propaganda that Daily Show types have pushed for years and years now, and it's tiring because it's clearing pushing an angle.

>These guys are bad
>"No way, look at this shit, it's a million times worse"
>W-WELL OF COURSE THEY'RE BAD TOO

>>105251
>>therefore they're all rioters
Nope. They're just all sore losers and children not used to being told "no" :^)

>>105251
The fuck are they even protesting, the fact that they don't like Trump?

Everyone already knows that, the election is over, take the actual pussy off your head and go back to work.

>>105252
Saudi Arabia only provides 8% of our oil, we get most of it from Canada. We get almost as much oil from Mexico as we do from Saudi Arabia, so it would be a real shame if we did something stupid to hurt relations with them. Oh wait...

>>105253
>>105255
>WAAAAAH THEY'RE PROTESTING HOW DARE THEY NOT LIKE TRUMP WAAAAAH
Sad!

>>105256
It has nothing to do with our oil supply, you actual idiot.

>>105253
Trump is a sore winner.

>>105257
Then how exactly would we "cease to function" without the Wahabbis who are actively trying to kill us?

>>105247
>>105247
>fox is as bad as CNN
>greg phillip got destryoed

Kekekekeke

>>105252

What? The post I responded to explicitly referred to Fox News. Do you need an asterisk by every comment about media bias?

>>105252
The EU is collapsing. We must drop them, drop NATO, drop sanctions on Russia, and form an alliance with them. Obviously, the establishment and liberals won't like it, so we may need to initiate a purge to get rid of them, but we'll be in a better position once we get rid of these subversive elements to solve the Muslim question once and for all. Once the Middle East is taken care of, we should turn our attention to the Chinese. Depending on how it goes, the failing Europe, and shitters in India may take China's side, so we should be prepared to cripple them with a preemptive nuclear strike to their population centers. After so many years of warfare, we and Russia could then turn to cleaning up the rest of the world and assuring a future for the white race.

>>105259
The Saudis enforce the petrodollar that our entire currency is based on. Everyone that wants to buy oil from OPEC has to use dollars to do so, hence why we're going to be eternally at war over any and all major oil supplies or suppliers until the day we die or we base the currency on something else.

>>105263
Always kill a traitor before an enemy, Jimbo.

>>105263
t.Ivan

>banning millions of people access into the country over nothing
Haha, that's our Trumpster!

>>105158
Like when Thomas Jefferson was sticking his cock into his black slave mistress . ..
. .. of course, Trump likes to breed with Slavs.
>love muh melting pot

>>105252
Are you retarded? Just because someone/something is always worse doesn't make it wrong to criticize anything.

>>105270
And soon he'll be deporting them too.

>>105270
Nobody wants Muslims in their country. Go move to Iran or some other toilet if you want to be among those fucks.

>>105189
fool. imagine how it is going to be for the rest of us.

>>105189
Freedom applies to the actual citizens of the US, not the entire world's human trash.

If you want a nice country go die to make one like we did.

>>105297
Right on. Freedom isn’t free.

Make Americans Work in the Fields Again.

>>105263
>10 rubles have been deposited into your account

>>105297
Damn, how many times have you died already?

>>105132

First post best post, and it's always gonna be with anything Trump related.

Feel sorry for normal Americans who are gonna be shat on my this wasteman.

>>105301
I have family that's died in every American war up until Vietnam.

>>105298
Oh you're right, let's make every single person on the globe an honorary US citizen so they can come here and do whatever they want because otherwise how could we live up to this pretend standard that never exist and only gets applied when it's convenient for my political belief.

>>105306
>Globalists hate borders and got really pissed off when Trump said Illegals were the only reason Hilldawg won the popular vote.
>Globalists also claim that Russia "interfered" in the election and should be punished for it.
Guess Russia isn't part of the globe.

>>105306
>We hold these truths to be self evident: that all Americans are created equal
It's slightly hypocritical to champion personal liberty and freedom of religion in our constitution then declare muslims more dangerous than christians

>>105316
You're not born Christian or Muslim.

>>105316
Islam is a threat to the world and anyone with eyes can see that

>>105316
They're not Americans you fuckstick

>>105144
>Selective reading

I wish you faggots would use the other half of your brain instead of the emotional side.

>>105319

you kinda are

>>105117
you do realize that Egypt, turkey, and Saudi Arabia are US allies right? and have been allies bell before Obama. It would be stupid if he banned travel to those countries just on political basis alone.

>>105322
That's not actually how the deceleration of independence begins

>>105319
Our constitution guarantees religious freedom, the quote was is deliberately misstated to highlight that the actual quote is a universal statement, not a nationalistic one.

>>105337
>our allies
>trust them, we’re stupid
>Saudis control the world price of oil
>trust them, they have Putin’s balls
>And thank you for 9/11 cause the right still believe it was a conspiracy …
>and the Pyramids which are on our $$

>>105340
Shia detected go be butthurt somewhere else.

>>105132
the other alternative was somebody who was "only" worth $100m, which she made by pandering to Wall Street. US election system is broke, Trump is terrible but at least his election might cause people to realize how broken our system is.

>>105321
4chan is a threat to the world anyone with eyes can see that :^)

>>105329

what are you on about nobody is born religious, when your born you're a baby mate you dont even know what a fucking triangle is

>>105338
Great dude, it doesn't matter.

Also, that created equal BS is referring to us not recognizing anyone being born inherently better than anyone else, ie. Kings and Queens and shit. That doesn't mean they thought all the 45 IQ niggers they owned as slaved to dig holes were their equals

>>105117
>Except the ones that aren't unstable shitholes
hmm

>>105240
We should've voted Hillary in then. She has better connections with the Saudis. While the petrodollar was crucial in the 70s, Saudia Arabia no longer has control of the oil market. Opec produces less than half the world's consumed oil, and saudi arabia even less. You are repeating the same shit CNN said to excuse Hillary's connections with the Sauds. China and Japan have the most dollars in their reserve currency. Sauds can't threaten us with sending back 800 bil because they are in fire straits. China has also been decoupling the Yuan from the dollar to make things interesting

>>105117
Saudi Arabia, major partner and ally of the US, antagonizing them could mean that they start selling their Oil for Euros or Rubels. Which would be bad for the US

Egypt, the most historical important country of Africa. Antagonizing them might make them raise the tariffs for crossiing the suez channel and cutting US-Visa for their country, pissing of thousands of American tourists and increasing trading cost.
Turkey, Nato country, until Erdogan started flinging his shit all-around and fucking his opposition parties over, they were the most moderate middle eastern country. Some people considered them advanced enough to become an EU country. Pissing their leader of might cause him to tell Nato to get screwed and join Russia for selfdefense. Which would strategically be bad for the US.

Besides: The Lybians, Somalians, Yemenites, Iranians, Irakese, North and South Sudanese and Syrians all have reasons to hate America, for funding Civil wars, bombing their countrys recently or just for beeing white christian countrys.

>>105348
you can be born into a christian/muslim family

>>105369
Not if the father is muslim it makes the children automatically muslim.

>EXCEPT THE ONES THAT PAID HIM
You mean except members of NATO and nations that weren't threats in the first place. At worse you could argue the Sauds are fucking assholes, but they aren't accepting """refugees""" so we have no interest in blocking travel.

It's almost like Turkey, Egypt, SA, and the UAE are developed and mostly stable countries compared to Iraq, Syria, and fucking Somalia. Not sure of Azerbaijan cause I'm ignorant but there must be some story there.

>>105373
All I'm saying is that what you're born into has a lot of influence on what you become.

>>105364
So terrorists will keep coming into the U.S and nothing will change at all.

>>105375
Fair point.

>>105373
Obamas father was muslim, yet he is not. Your argument is invalid. Even if you are raised as a muslim you can still realise that Christianity makes like a millon times more sense than, circumcision, halal meat and worshipping a pedofiend.

>>105378
>thinks one possible negative example erases a billion other positive examples
grow up and get a clue

Trump would have been wise to have excluded green card holders from this ban. Temporarily limiting immigration from certain countries is something the other side and more importantly the courts would have to swallow. Preventing a relatively small number of legal Permanent residents from getting back in is giving ammunition to his opponents and could get his EO struck down.

>Bans immigration from countries which don't produce terrorists
>Allows immigration from the fundamental Islam capital of the world
It's a hollow gesture. He should have done nothing. It is nice to see Trump supporters have basically become Hillary supporters in their defense of SA though

>>105386
Plz tell me, how is banning Sudan, Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Somalia from entering the Country hurting the USA? How are Americans suffering from this Change?

How many jobs are created from tourists or investors from those countrys?

>>105389
>tfw you are a minority and secretly support this but have to keep it on the low because you don't want to be lynched by leftists

>>105160

oil in turkey

guys, we have a brilliant geologist prospector here

>>105389
students at top univestities like MIT and Stanford are unable to return to school. There are even professors who are now unable to return. We have doctors unable to return to their practice. You don't seem to understand what this ban has actually done. It's not saying "random refugees from Sudan are not allowed to move here" it's saying "accomplished surgeon here on a work visa who visited family back home is now banned from the country"

>>105412
you a nigger or spic who wants all the welfare handouts to himself

>>105418
Not just some. ALL of it.

well, al quaeda, ISIS, and the muslim brotherhood must be partyng right now, because now we're talking about isolationism, disintegration of NATO, and malignment of muslims at the highest levels of government, and the US questioning whether liberal democracy is really worthwhile. It seems they'll be getting everything they could have hoped.

>>105433
Who honestly thought making Donald Trump the most powerful person in the world was a good idea?

>>105384
You can't get this EO struck down because the President has massive powers over immigration, and green card/visa holders are not guaranteed to retain their rights to remain in the US, because they aren't citizens.

>>105433
ISIS is currently being bombed into next week because we don't have fairies running the military anymore. This liberal democracy garbage is a bunch of bull too. Being a liberal society doesn't mean being a far leftist society that opens it's asshole to the entire world and it's human feces.

Fuck Muslims too, as if anyone gives 2 shits about these inbred trashmongers, their stupid backward culture, or their floor shitting religion. I'm not gonna sit around and be cucked like all those sniveling Europeans letting their entire society and culture get bled dry by a bunch of parasites.

If you don't like it then go kill yourself to Sudan or whatever god foraken hellhole you shitstains wish the US was like.

>>105438
Me. I hope all you hand wringing cowards get colon cancer from how hard he fucks you.

>>105433
If American and European leaders hadn't been so pathetically self-flagellating in helping their societies become porous, chaotic messes when it comes to immigration then this recent flare up of anti-intellectual nationalism wouldn't be happening. Leftwing navel gazers writing apologetic pieces downplaying the horrors of militant Islam led to this. Corporate whores who only see money as a worthwhile objective led to this.

The extreme right only benefits when the left and moderate right lose their minds and give voters the feeling they have no other choice than nationalists.

>>105433
Don't forget our president outright saying he wants to invade Iraq for their oil. At least previous presidents had enough brain power to pretend we were liberating the oppressed or whatever the fuck. Instead, he does nothing to prevent terrorists from coming in because Saudi cock tastes almost as good as Israeli cock to him apparently, and he gives nutjobs like ISIS all the fuel they need to recruit more mudslime dipshits.

>>105452
>OBONGO IS A MURDERER, STOP DRONE STRIKES
>BOMB THEM INTO THE STONE AGE
>KILLARY WANTS WW3
>FUCK LITERALLY EVERYBODY EXCEPT RUSSIA

You cucks need to make up your fucking minds.

>>105452
>ISIS is currently being bombed into next week because we don't have fairies running the military anymore.
Oh, so all the drone strikes were patty cake?

I'd like to see him try to fuck with Arabia. Watch this entire economy come to a screeching halt the moment shipments of oil cease overnight.

In the words of Alan Greenspan, the Strait of Hormuz is the single most strategically important place in the world for the United States. And that's because of what flows through it: the lifeblood of this country.

>>105457
Why would Obama try to kill the groups we spend so much money arming

>>105459
No shit, that's why they weren't effected.

>>105461
Right. But it's hypocritical.

>>105461
The people who did 9/11 were mostly Saudi. Osama bin Laden: Saudi.

>>105462
B-but my Goy Emperor won! He was going to btfo shillary and her Saudi masters!

>>105462
Fucking how? Obviously you can't do a goddamn thing about them because the entire US currency hinges on OPEC, so they're exempt.

Oh ok, Trump should just go ahead and ban them anyway so some dimwits on the internet can't have any single opening to criticize him, until the economy collapses due to the loss of the petrodollar, upon which your 3 day delayed criticism can kick in. But then that would be OK because he met the impossible standard nobody actually cared about meeting.

Just be happy he's keeping most of this trash out, for now.

>>105467
No. It's not because of dimwits on the internet. It's because of this: >>105463
Most terrorism on this soil has been perpetrated by Saudis.

>>105468
Well you can't do shit about it because the US dollar relies on them, so you can either make nice with Russia and form an unholy oil pact with them, or you can just ignore it and hope it goes away.

I guess we can't go the Russia route now because RUSSIA IS BAD AND EVIL AND LITERALLY HACKED THE ELECTIONS, so we'll go with plan B of ignoring things and hope it goes away.

>>105471
They quite literally have us by the balls, I'll give you that.

Unless we suddenly become willing to go back to medieval standards of living. (It won't be that painful like you think, trust me. We can do this!)

>>105472
Honestly, Americans could do with a little forced self-sufficiency and some major trimming to their heavy narcissistic consumerism.

Though of course the economy would only likely come back to its former status with a lot of expenditure and spending, so sudden austerity would only be a deadly cycle back to square one for quite a long time until organic growth becomes a natural occurrence again.

>>105460
>Pentagon vs CIA

>>105467
This is why I have been and always been pushing for and championing American energy independence. At the moment there is nothing we can do, they have us by the balls.

>>105473
Dude, we ARE oil. We will never be a world power ever again without it.

>>105473
>Honestly, Americans could do with a little forced self-sufficiency and some major trimming to their heavy narcissistic consumerism.
Okay, please give up your computer and internet service in order to farther this cause.

Last time U.S pissed saudis , they got oil crisis and 9/11 . Forced to go war with iraq. we own your asses .saudis dont even have to join the army. America is a weapon not a nation, money is the bullets and whites are the slave of the new world. Wait for the future cucks.-

>>105481
One, it's further.

Two, you're confusing a quick and not altogether seriously made opinion on the flippant spending habits of most Americans with a strawman argument. I didn't say we all need to become nature-bound luddites. There's many degrees of separation from "Trim the fat," and "Go be a hermit in a cave."

>>105484
The only reason people don't give Saudi Arabia shit is because it's a den of snakes best left undisturbed. It's not because of power, it's not because they're byzantine masterminds, and it certainly isn't because they make such wonderful allies exporting Wahhabism across the globe. It's a pile of rotting wood infested with thousands of spiders. Kicking it over would only make the vermin scatter and cause problems everywhere else.

>>105351
We're reaching levels of cognitive dissonance that shouldn't be possible

>>105389

Everytime I go to 4chan is just people like this, who knows nothing of geopolitical stuff and acts like a mastermind.

Iraq is already threatening USA that if they don't receive more help for fighting ISIS they will reestablish their connections with Russia. This is just another nail in the coffin if Russia gets their influence there, possibly making Iran 2.0. They can change trading from dollar to another currency to fuck with USA and weaken is economy for instance.

BUT HEY, THAT DON'T AFFECT US RIGHT POL? JOBS JOBS JOBS HURR DURR

>>105321
>medical doctors are a threat to the world
>engineering students at MIT are a threat to the world
>the Milwaukee Bucks' center is a threat to the world

>>105438
I don't think he'll be a good president at all, but neither would Hillary and Trump's election will hopefully lead to some badly needed election reform, like getting rid of first-past-the-post so we're never left with a "lesser-of-two-evils" election again

>>105533
>like getting rid of first-past-the-post so we're never left with a "lesser-of-two-evils" election again

Keep dreaming.

Why would he reform the system that helped him win?

>>105535
It's not up to Trump. The point is that if FPTP gave us Trump, more people might push to get rid of it since even a lot of conservatives hate him. Maine already got rid of it for state elections.

>>105177
>Half the time the original topic of the thread is lost within the first dozen posts.
Congratulations, today the derailer was you!

>>105168
It seems like he put up the 90 day ban so he can re-work the immigration system to vet possible immigrants much harder.

someone is going to kill pence and trump

just letting you guys know so you can grab some preparation H for the rectal ravaging that's gonna occur afterward

>>105540
He's building that Muslim registry, getting ready to do a lot more then just changing the vetting process.

>>105533
>badly needed election reform, like getting rid of first-past-the-post so we're never left with a "lesser-of-two-evils" election again

This is not a bug, or a problem that needs to be fixed. It is a feature. It is working exactly as it was intended and is a far, far better alternative than mob rule/direct democracy leftists want so they can run the country from their debt-laden urban hellscapes.

People need to stop crying about the rules after they've lost.

>>105562
>someone is going to kill pence and trump
The reaper, when it's their due time. Neither Trump nor Pence are going to be killed by any mortal.

Because:
A- Leftists simply do not have the balls to do anything that isn't assigned to them by a task master- (See: George Soros)
B- Assassination attempt(s) would forever destroy their heavily fabricated image as the "peaceful tolerant" party.

It's hard to sell your opponents as the "violent, gun toting idiots" when you're the one gunning down democratically elected leaders.

>>105535
If they can get it on enough state ballets it wouldn't matter what Trump thinks.

>>105576
I'm not sure you know what first past the post is.

>>105578
>I'm not sure you know what first past the post is.
I do. First to 270 wins.

Try not assuming I don't as a deflective tactic and instead actually explain how/why it's such a bad thing that needs to be reformed.

>bans are bad! >:(
>why didn't he ban these ones too wtf trump >:(\

just lol.

>>105576
> Leftists simply do not have the balls to do anything that isn't assigned to them by a task master- (See: George Soros)

Projection much?

>>105144
Alternate Fact: Terrorists killed more Americans in 2016 than toddlers with guns

>>105533
Ranked choice voting is the more important reform, especially in the primaries. Would also be an easier sell to small states who would lose voting power if first past the post was taken away.

>>105586
>Projection much?
Not applicable to the quoted statement.

Soros isn't funding right-wing astroturf movements like he is Occupy, BLM, and the "Women's March".

>>105588
>Ranked choice voting is the more important reform, especially in the primaries. Would also be an easier sell to small states who would lose voting power if first past the post was taken away.
We'll stick with FPTP, thank you.

It stopped Hillary, so its good enough for us.

look at Germany; Merkel's been bringing in any Muslim fuck who wants in, and crime has drastically risen in the last year.

>>105590
>we'll stick with fptp
I don't deny that since small states would never accept a reform on it
>it stopped Hillary
Ranked choice voting may have also stopped Hillary at the primary level, it would have also stopped George W. Bush, and Donald Trump and a myriad of other unpopular candidates across the country in senate and governor races, in addition to giving individual voters more options so it'd be a good reform to make in my eyes.

>>105591
It's not just crime, their whole way of life and culture will vanish as a result.

>>105600
buh they wuz nazis n shit

>>105610
The world would be better if they still were.

>>105611
Move there any time, coward.

>>105452
Trump hasn't done anything yet to change our strategy with respect to ISIS. ISIS was almost destroyed before he came in to office. Just like the US having full employment and the fastest GDP growth among modern western countries; which Trump will also no doubt be taking credit for.

>>105618
>the fastest GDP growth among modern western countries

Being the smartest retard on the short bus isn't anything to feel good about. Obama was one of the only Presidents to ever oversee sub 3% GDP growth. Both him and his economy were pathetic.

>>105618
>ISIS was almost destroyed before he came in to office. Just like the US having full employment and the fastest GDP growth among modern western countries

How does your crack pipe retain its shape, with all the heat that's constantly applied to it?

>>105621
Of course this is true if you forget they we had presidents before Obama. Republican presidents in particular.
I also forgot: a pathway to full health insurance coverage of the citizenry. I consider an improvement in living standards, like improved EPA, nutrition, health care access to be a worthwhile consideration, but I guess many folks only want to see bigger numbers on balance sheets; everything else be damned as far as the health of the economy goes.

>>105625
ISIS shrank considerably in 2016. Like any terrorist organization, they'll never truly disappear. But holding a swiss cheese patchwork of villages with all momentum on the side of Iraqi security forces paints a fairly bleak picture of their long-term prospect to hold territory.

>>105628
Obama defense force please go. He was a shitty president and all his pathetic non-accomplishments are going into the dumpster where they belong.

>>105629
I'm really not a major fan of Obama. I get that he seriously dropped the ball with respect to cultural issues. Middle Americans have fears of demographic free-fall due to immigration and neither major party appeared to be willing to touch the matter with a ten foot poll which left only the extreme loonies willing to strike any reasonable stance on that matter (along with a load of other baggage of course).
So now we have Trump who is going to protect the demographics of the US while being willing to let everything else go to shit.

We need an administration that's able and willing to deliver on economic growth and security, protection of EPA and living standards for all Americans, and also the culture and society that Americans value. Obama didn't strike the optimal balance, but excuse me if I have serious doubts that Trump will either.

>>105631
Trump will do it all just to spite people like you.

>>105635
And you think making policy based on who you'll piss off with it and to what extent is a good idea?

>>105643
No, but its pretty funny.

Just consider that we memed an internet troll to the White House and pranked the whole world; if that's not lulzy, I don't know what is. The nihilist in me would totally want to see him start a nuclear war too, just because it would be the ultimate, final punchline to this degenerate reality. Drowning on all those tears would also be one hell of a high.

>>105665
Continue to believe in your nihilist ways, but when Jesus returns soon you will be punished.

>>105665
>lulzy
>>>/r/The_Donald

>>105665
wait until we've had the opportunity to genetically engineer cat girls please.
there's more i want humanity to see before we drown in tears

>>105665
I agree that it's funny, especially as a non-American who isn't directly affected by his policies. It's just that when I consider the real-world effects and implications of his victory and style of governance, I get pretty worried that some day soon it will start to affect me. And the humanist in me (stronger than the nihilist when it comes to politics tbh) fucking despises clueless shitters like Trump and ultraconservative bastards like that asshole Pence (who is also shaping policy in a major way - see the whole anti-abortion shit Trump is revving up). There are real lives and livelihoods at stake here and I find it pretty hard to laugh about that.

Also, I would doubt that "we" (as in 4chan) memed them to the White House. I don't think 4chan tipped the election.

Then again Hillary was a terrible candidate and Congress needs a fucking wake-up call. The last hope I cling to is that this whole mess will lead to actually competent, results-oriented leadership emerging in the senate (and also in the house, but somehow I see the senate as a more likely candidate - probably just because I know more about how it works). Partisan politics are a major force holding back progress in many nations, but in America it's particularly fucked up how much work, time and money is spent on bringing the other party down that could be used to make a functioning healthcare law as a bipartisan effort, for example.
And somehow I don't see the benefit of it all - isn't a bipartisan success story a great selling point for a politician?

I've literally never in my life met a single person that likes Muslims beyond the mushmouthed "UH LIKE DUDE WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE WE'RE ALL BROTHERS AND COLOR IS ONLY SKIN DEEP MAN" garbage, and I live right outside NYC.

Give me more cute Japanese girls instead, not more sandniggers and actual niggers.

>>105681
This wasn't an issue in the first place since we weren't going to categorically accept all muslims looking to migrate at any rate.

We like people, some of whom happen to be muslim, and are vetted on the basis of their individual shortfalls and merits.

I don't agree with almost all of what most holy books indicate. And muslims have for whatever reason tended toward extremism more than other factions in recent history.
But we can accept migrants at a rate that they can be integrated into a harmonious society. We don't need to categorically disclude any nationality.

>>105691
>We don't need to categorically disclose any nationality.
Why the fuck not? There's 8 gorillion people on the planet and we take in like 1 million a year, which is already too many. We could fill up on Swedes, Finns, Ruskies, Krauts, Brits, Japs, Aussies, and god knows who else instead, and they're all good groups that can assimilate well since their culture is, if not similar to ours, at least benign.

Muslims and other assorted human feces can remain in their hellholes and hopefully erase themselves from the total human genepool and population count.

>>105694
>assorted human feces

disgusting

>>105696
Yeah they sure are, so let's keep them out.

>>105694
Because it increases the size of our talent pool to eliminate confounding variables like nationality with respect to selecting for the traits we desire.

Secondly, it doesn't appear that we've any quota with regard to whom is granted a visa. Brits, Finns, &c. are equally welcome to apply and will most likely meet no resistance from any of our intelligence agencies.

You may have racial preferences and you have some level of say with regard to that as a citizen, however not everyone shares your personal preference.

>>105412
If you're a minority you're basically given a get outta jail free card for that stuff

>>105697
I meant you.

Terrible bigotry.

>>105703
I Super Don't Give a Shit 64 anymore. I care about my own people and not the problems of the whole fucking world, especially when it's made explicitly clear by a bunch of lunatics that my people are clearly a target to be silenced or outright destroyed. If you don't prioritize your own people above others, then you have an evolutionary defect and will be replaced by a group that does not.

>>105698
Yeah yeah, the brain drain bullshit, I get it, I know why, I'm just sick of it and don't care anymore. I don't want these people here anymore because it's completely obvious the promises of the 1965 immigration act not obliterating the demographics of the country was a complete and total lie, which will 100% be the knife in the heart of this country in the long run.

It's going to destroy this entire country if you just crush down the white majority into nothing, because you'll be left with a bunch of squabbling ethnicities that can't possibly ever hope to govern themselves in a unified manner ever again since the country will have nothing in common, especially since the new standards of being an American is having no standards or actual decency aside from empty public gestures.

Women can be men, men can be women, the entire world is American and can come right in and live among everyone that makes less money than me, women can slut around until they're 35 and then crank out autism babies when they're all dried up, Christians need to have their spirits crushed while Muslims should be uplifted, and everyone that speaks against it is a sexist/transist/racist/Islamaphobe that requires personal economic sanctions levied against in order to forcibly change their wrongthink or destroy their livelihoods.

In short: Fuck you.

>>105694
Yeah man you know I hate indiscriminate label-flingers and SJWs as much as the next guy but you're just a plain old racist and don't even bother to sugarcoat it. Most people don't agree with you on this, but of course you're entitled to your prejudice just as with any other opinion. Just please don't act like there's anything rational about your statements. They are based in nothing but wholesale disdain for specific ethnicities.
Especially when it comes to people who helped your military during a war it waged in their homeland and were assured a safer, better life as a way to thank them. The fact that mainstream Republicans now apparently find nothing wrong with stabbing those people in the back disgusts me and reinforces my belief that while both major American political parties are pretty high up on the retardation scale, the Republicans always make a point of outperforming their Democratic counterparts when it comes to political tomfoolery.


>Women can be men, men can be women, the entire world is American and can come right in and live among everyone that makes less money than me, women can slut around until they're 35 and then crank out autism babies when they're all dried up, Christians need to have their spirits crushed while Muslims should be uplifted, and everyone that speaks against it is a sexist/transist/racist/Islamaphobe that requires personal economic sanctions levied against in order to forcibly change their wrongthink or destroy their livelihoods.
That's a really cool strawman there.

>>105714
>I care about my own people

Just be aware of the the way the world sees 'your people' when you talk like that.

I assume you mean Americans.

>>105703
This shit isn't working anymore pussy, you need actual arguements.

>>105719
see
>>105717

Trump is making the world laugh.

You're making me laugh.

Everyone is happy.

>>105716
I'm not even a racist, I just don't care anymore because the whole goddamn world is going over the edge of insanity. Maybe if you want to belong to a species that doesn't thrive and seek out tribalism, you can go explore the universe until you find one, but until that happens you're stuck with humanity that likes and feels comfortable being around similar people.

>>105717
Oh no, the world will judge me. What will the Krauts think of me trying to protect my people while they dump billions of dollars, murders, and rapes of their own people down the diversity drain.

Maybe the frogs will take time away from furiously trying to disarm and delay the oncoming civil war with their extremely militant and radicalized Muslims to laugh out of the bullet holes Mohammad Akbar popped in his cheek the month prior.

Oh, and god forbid the Japanese, who just do not allow many non-Japanese to even become citizens get the wrong impression, as they're burdened with their crushing homogenization and peaceful, clean, trusting society.

Goodness gracious me, whatever will I do with myself if the world were to think ill of me. Maybe I'll see if the Chinese communists have time to run a positive US media campaign in between oppressing their entire population.

>>105720
Well the world is a joke, so I'm glad they're getting a laugh out of it.

>>105714
Maybe if net influx of migrants happens at a rate below that of the fertility rate of natives, then you can have migrants and preservation of minority / majority demographics.
Migrants to the US tend to be upper class themselves since they're typically vetted for employability so 2nd generation at least tend not to have large families.

>>105726
Not giving a shit what other people think ?
That's cool
Maybe next time skip the "see how much I don't give a shit" wall of text and that way other people you don't care about will believe you

>>105726
We have been doing pretty well for the past 70 years in the west without resorting to tribalism. Also, saying things like
>Muslims and other assorted human feces
it does sorta make me think you're a racist.

Also you seem to be a bit stuck trying to seriously argue this while hedging your bets by saying you don't give a shit about anything anymore. If the latter really is the case, then why even post? There is no point in debate if you're a nihilist.
And if it's the former, you're not doing too great. All arguments need a framework of axioms within which they are to be settled if one hopes to ever settle them. By willfully disregarding the rules of logic and causality as well as the humanist values your country was built on, you essentially pull the rug out from under the debate and destroy the stage on which it is held, rendering it void.

I believe that humans can live in peace with other humans who don't quite look the same as them, so long as those other humans share the same basic values. I have never advocated for the admission of unrepentant asshole muslims who want to subjugate their wives and maybe even blow up a bus or two while they get comfortable in their cushy new home. I do advocate for the consideration of immigrants as individuals however. If someone does not pose a danger to your country and is in genuine hardship (or can help/has helped your country in some way), I see no reason not to let them in.
And you can't tell me that a guy who has had a legit green card for 10 years, which he got after many long interviews with a myriad of government agencies and after helping the US Army with their - rather destructive, one should note - efforts in his home suddenly becomes dangerous just because your new president signed an ill-conceived piece of paper.

>>105720
That guy was clearly an ethnic nationalist, not "an american"

Nice try coming up with an argument, keep it up.

>>105740
I just hope he doesn't share an ethnicity with me then.

I think how the world views the US is fairly strong argument against Trump.

>>105740
His America first policy is ruffling quite a few feathers.

Let's hope his plans make the US super rich.

Why on earth would you ban Iranians and not Afghans, Pakis, Saudis. They are less likely to carry religiously inspired terror attacks than Russians for example.

>>105665
IM 15 AND THIS IS DEEP

>>105743
You assume the world doesn't like Trump. I'm willing to bet that you don't understand his support so your peedictions are meaningless.
>>105745
Nah, not really. Brexit didn't ruffle my feathers. Good for them, i thought.

And he does plan on making us rich, duh.

>>105665
*le cringe*

>>105765
Your unironic use of this meme is "cringier" than the post you quoted.

>>105771
PROTIP: no it isn't

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-list-of-muslim-countries-trump-wants-to-ban-was-compiled-by-the-obama-administration#.nlOtazXjI

>According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

>Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

>>105778
Yes, it is. Using "cringe," at all is terrible, and that's before you attached the "le," to it. It's pure, unfiltered reddit posting.

>>105665
The thing is, he isn't an internet troll. Wrong or right the dude had a series of plans, got voted into the White House and is currently executing said plans.

I didn't vote him or ((HER)), but in the end I have nothing to lose nor gain because I wasn't riding either train. In the end, I still go to work, pay my bills and follow the law. There was never a guarantee for me regardless who won, we don't live in a kind of world where any kind of future is a guarantee.

>>105665
>we memed
Speaking of cringe, this is the most cringe worthy phenomenon to grace the internet. Its so bad I wish Ill upon you.

>PRAISE KEK

>>105783
no u

>>105117
this country was going to hell in a handbasket the instant he won the nomination

>>105117
Lies.
All those states were selected by Obama's administration and expanded by DHS in 2016.
Faggot leftist lies. His business concerns have to do with the largest Muslim countries, which weren't put on the list by Obama.

>>105854
Blocking Saudi Arabia would result in the economic death of the USA, Turkey is a NATO country, Egypt because they Arab Spring'd their asses.

Trump cannot block these countries because he is merely using something that Obama signed into existence but never used.

>Thanks Obama!

>>105859
Saudi Arabia doesn't have anywhere near the clout to do that.

Turkey is a NATO ally, but is increasingly a hotbed of extremism thanks in no small part to Erdogan. Being cautious there is not a bad idea.

Egypt's Arab Spring accomplished nothing but to make Hosni Mubarak a fall-guy. It's still the same as it was before.

>>105869
>Turkey is a NATO ally, but is increasingly a hotbed of extremism thanks in no small part to Erdogan. Being cautious there is not a bad idea.

I am not disagreeing with you.

>>105854
>those were the exact same countries obama once included in a list
>so... everything the next president consequently does with that list, was contributed to by Obama's actions
>Therefore if it's harmful, you can still blame Obama!
QED

>>105739
I don't care. I know over a dozen people that were killed by Muslim terrorists now.

Take your pets and fuck off to their countries of origin so they can slaughter you without dragging other people into it.

>>105869
So what. Ban turkey. Nobody's seeking refuge from a popular tourist destination. What'll they do? Gobble at us?

>>105874
No, but it'd be silly to allow unrestricted travel and immigration from Turkey, especially in light of its steadily increasing Islamization.

>>105665
How many layers of irony are you on, my dude?

>>105873
Literally muh feels, you'd make a stellar SJW.

>>105966
Feelings are all anyone bases their arguments on around this contention anyway. Bringing in a bunch of poor Muslims from a completely backwards country doesn't have any positives for the US, and yet the position in support of that is entirely based on emotional values. It's the same thing as a fearful or disdainful rejection based on anecdotal experiences.

SJWs are also SJWs for many other reasons than simply appealing to arguments of emotion.

>>105994
Well no duh; they didn't enter with a work-visa. They're more concerned with not dying. Do you have difficulty grasping the concept of refugee?

>>106014
I don't, but then again recent history has shown those supporting the idea of taking in refugees have very fast and loose definitions for who qualifies. Take a look at Europe and say with a straight face the definition holds any sort of meaningful bar of qualification there.

Likewise, someone can simultaneously be a refugee and a terrible person not worth bringing into a completely alien culture. Importing the displaced of Somalia does not make Somalia a better country, it does not stop the problems of Somalia from becoming your own, and it creates a whole new problem of integrating a bunch of uneducated people who most likely want nothing to do with your values, culture, religions, languages and customs. It's the definition of fixing a problem with myopic emotional arguments while in reality you've only made things worse.

Give them the tools and support to fix their own country or let it happen organically. This idea of massive refugee programs does nothing but retard that process and foster ethnic conflict that makes your own populace less inclined to help at all in the first place.

>>105196
>Actually its because theyre our allies.
[citation fucking needed]

>>105591
>crime has drastically risen in the last year.
I know, it's disgusting that all the neo-nazi fucks are committing so many hate crimes against refugees fleeing war.

>>106063
>[citation fucking needed]
Saudi Arabia is an official US ally, you're stupid if you didn't know that. Turkey is NATO, Egypt is another major non-NATO ally.

Also, as pointed out, his business dealings have nothing to do with it. He's simply using Obama's own ideas.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316733-spicer-obama-administration-originally-flagged-7-countries

>>106067
>I know, it's disgusting that all the neo-nazi fucks are committing so many hate crimes against refugees fleeing war.

>>you
http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/

>>106070
http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/2016-10/asylunterkuenfte-angriffe-800-straftaten-fluechtlingsheime

>>106063

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%E2%80%93United_States_relations

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_States_relations

Egypt is ok
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93United_States_relations

>>106067
>so many hate crimes against refugees
[citation fucking needed]

>>106076
I provided it here. >>106071
By the way, why do I need to provide a citation, but >>105591 goes unchallenged?

>>106067
Doesn't that in some way make you culpable? If it's your responsibility to help people flee a country where others are killing them, isn't it also your responsibility to put them someplace where their presence won't spark ethnic conflict? Aren't you taking them from one fight and putting them into another?

Wasn't this already a case, though?
I mean, double filtering people from "suspicious" regions and backgrounds. Only thing Trumpetto did was speaking about it loudly.
Bonus points for Merkel being one of the first ones to criticize this. Fucking lol.

>However, the same set of statistics show that nearly 3,000 Americans were killed by citizens from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Turkey in the same time period — with the bulk of those killed being victims of the 9/11 attacks.
Ruh-roh!

>>105681
Out of NYC? Good, trash like you shouldn't step foot inside.

>>105714
>>105726
>tfw when you're racist white trash wondering why the world won't revive imperialism and put you on its pedestal

>>106081
The responsibility lies with people not to attack refugees, and with the government to prosecute those who break the law, in addition to the government to protect vulnerable people such as refugees.
Regardless, it can hardly be said that the risk of being the victim of a hate crime in a European country like Germany compares unfavourably to the risk of being killed in Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia and so on.

>>106079
You cannot be serious with that link.

>>105196
Iraq is an ally of the USA, but is on the banned list.

>>106091
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Zeit
>"considered highbrow"
>circulation of 500,000
>established 1946
>is an actual print newspaper
Doesn't fit the "fake news" template to me fam.

So explain to me what's wrong with the link

>>106092
Whoops

>:^)

>>106090
That's not the point. If you view it as your moral imperative to remove these people from dangerous situations, you're failing in your self-appointed duty by putting them into a society where antipathy and dejection for them will only grow as more of them come.

Moreover you can't at the same time say the ethnic strife that's undoubtedly going to get worse is not such a problem and then label it such a travesty here >>106067.

If the only group worth mentioning when crime associated with refugees is brought up belongs to "neo-nazi fucks," then why perhaps is bringing them to your country pertinent? To go from one land of hate crimes to another?

Or maybe, just maybe, "neo-nazi fucks," aren't the sole perpetrators of said crime. Maybe moving mass quantities of people from one horrible situation to a nascent version of the same is a terrible long term solution.

I could not help but notice you did not mention a government's imperative to protect its native citizens against the crimes of refugees when you listed the responsibilities of every party in question.

>>106093
I can't read gas chamberese.

You should have something in english if its a real phenomenon.

You saw that link fakehatecrimes.org right?

That's relevant.

>>106095
I suppose then you should agree that Britain and America should have refused Jewish refugees during World War II, as neither the USA nor Britain could guarantee the safety of Jewish migrants, especially considering anti-Semitism was very popular in both countries at the time.
But the risk of being assaulted, murdered or raped in Britain or America is a lesser risk than the risk of death in the gas chambers.
While hate crimes against refugees have risen sharply in recent years, they are not at the levels of killings in the countries these refugees are fleeing from, so do not present a compelling argument to refuse them for their safety.
Anyone who commits a hate crime against a refugee is reliving the actions of the nazis whether they consciously identify as a neo-nazi or not.
I mentioned that the government has a responsibility to prosecute those who break the law (which of course includes refugees), and has a responsibility to protect vulnerable people (which of course includes vulnerable people who are not refugees).
Of course I don't think that the government has a responsibility to protect everyone, but that goes without saying, doesn't it?
>>106097
Try using google translate.

>>106097
>Your sources are irrelevant because I say so
>My sources are relevant because I say so

Am I wrong to demand we speak English on 4chan?

Like this post if you agree

>>106099
And anyone who invites wholesale demographic replacement is also reliving the actions of the nazis, considering that was their policy towards nations caught in the line for living space. Two can play this game.

The Jewish refugees during WW2 were not the uneducated dregs of society who adhered to a religion and cultural set of values that deemed American and British values as misguided blasphemy. The Jewish refugees did not come over in such volume so as to replace entire swathes of the native populations. The Jewish refugees did not perpetrate mass waves of crime against the host nation that took them in.

Who do you get to label "vulnerable," by the way? To me, the satirist willing to criticize what others hold sacrosanct being threatened with the very real prospect of death because the demographics of his city have given way to such a paradigm are just as vulnerable as you say these people are. To me, the vulnerable are the women who now have to live with an entire sect of society that finds itself disgusted with the simplest rights they've enjoyed since their birth. What of those who find themselves on the receiving end of hate crimes perpetrated by refugees? What happens when your misguided attempts to help accomplish nothing but the destruction of the very safety you took for granted? What do countries like Germany even owe to these people to completely unravel itself for their temporary betterment?

Why exactly is there a need to take in refugees at all?

>>106073
Oh nice you provided some wikipedia links. Nowhere in the article you linked yourself says saudi arabia is an official US ally.

Let's see if I can do better:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally#List_of_MNNAs
>Other states have been proposed as future major non-NATO allies. Following the 2014 Crimean Crisis, members of Congress proposed designating Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia as major non-NATO allies.[20] During a 2015 Camp David summit with the Gulf Cooperation Council states, the Obama administration considered designating Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, and Qatar as MNNAs.[21]
>the Obama administration considered designating Saudi Arabia
>considered

HMMM it seems like saudi arabia isn't really an ally after all. How exactly is trump obligated to exempt the countries "because theyre our allies" again? I'll wait.

>>106069
>Saudi Arabia is an official US ally,
Demonstrably false. See above and get rekt, stupid.

>>106111
>HMMM it seems like saudi arabia isn't really an ally after all. How exactly is trump obligated to exempt the countries "because theyre our allies" again? I'll wait.

Actually you're both kind of wrong. It has nothing to do with Trump, he is literally using an act that Obama signed. Thus the act would reflect the interests of Obama's administration at the time, not Trumps. If Trump wanted a new act with added countries, a new act would have to be proposed.

>>105871
the OP post implies that the countries that weren't banned were done out of personal interest by trump, are you seriously implying that the obama administration were puppets of trump?

>>105117
>Left misses an opportunity to roast Trump for taking credit for an act that Obama signed into existence.
>Instead spins it so it appears that Arab countries not on the list coincide with his business interests

It's almost like you want the rest of the country that didn't vote for Trump to vote for Trump in 2020.

ITT: people who don't know that these countries are pulled straight from Obama's " countries of interest "

>>106111
>HMMM it seems like saudi arabia isn't really an ally after all.
Yes they are. You're painfully stupid and acting angry and indignant doesn't make you right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_States_relations
http://www.cfr.org/saudi-arabia/us-saudi-relations/p36524
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/why-the-us-is-stuck-with-saudi-arabia/384805/
http://fortune.com/2016/04/22/why-americas-special-relationship-with-saudi-arabia-is-on-the-rocks/
http://fpif.org/americas-outdated-special-relationship-saudi-arabia/

Saudi Arabia has been a long standing US ally since the 1930s. The literal, technical term they use is "Special Relationship", something we don't even have with other Allies.

>>106079
>I provided it here. >>106071
Unless you're going to provide an English version, no you haven't.

>>106093
>So explain to me what's wrong with the link
It's in German you fucking Dullard.

>>106105
>Your sources are irrelevant because I say so
>My sources are relevant because I say so
My source was in English.
Yours was not.

You're either an overly emotional female or an angry and bitter teenager. Or both- either way, you don't seem either physically or mentally old enough to be on this website. Stick to Facebook and Club Penguin.

>>106192
>Unless you're going to provide an English version, no you haven't.
>I'm too stupid to paste a link into google translate
The alt-right, everyone.

>>106206
>I'm too stupid to paste a link into google translate
Tried it. Google Translate is notoriously unreliable as it's terrible at preserving context, nuance, and syntax.

Post an English version that preserves the body and spirit of the original or don't expect people to translate and do your homework for you.

Nice to see you've given up on your Saudi Arabia retardation though.

>the countries were on a list tho.
>an OBAMA list.
well I'm convinced

>Restricting immigration from a country 5 years deep in civil war and full of people who want to kill Americans is evil! >:(

>>105117
>Trump bans all travel from Muslim nations. Except the ones that are STRATEGIC US ALLIES and ISRAELI allies
huh really makes you go hmmmmmmmm
Leftards stop spreading fake biased news worldwide for the rest of the world to suffer, pls.

He didn't even ban ALL the durka durka countries that make problems, When are Pakis, Terrorstan, Moronco and Nigeria banned?
Those are some of the worst, with thousands of victims. Look up African durka countries,see their kill count, its YUGEEE.

>>105255
Why don't you go talk to someone who was protesting and ask them instead of making up arguments against something you don't understand?

>>105294
Are you being serious when you say this? I'd get it if you were joking because this is 4chan and everyone is edge, but you have to know that what you say isn't true. Most people in America and other places are welcoming of those of any color, faith, or class.

>>105452
Why do you say fuck Muslims? Have you ever met any? Lots of people care about them because they are people just like you and me. They aren't parasites, they are people.

I am very concerned because your viewpoint is one that will always lead to more violence, more division. You shouldn't call a whole race of people "inbred trashmongers."

>>105779
So Obama limited access to a visa waiver program. Donald Trump took it to an entirely unprecedented level by outright banning any immigration from those countries. That was not on Obama's list of priorities.

>>106107
>Why exactly is there a need to take in refugees at all?

1. Because its a humanitarian necessity
2. Because the Geneva Convention says so

http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/3b66c2aa10

>>106111
I didnt give you the best links because its xommon knowledge. A wijipedia link is more than you deserve.

>>106235
>they are people just like you and me

You know how I know you've never met a Muslim?

Only the most ignorant wishful thinkers say shit like that.

I met one. He pretended to drink beer and joked about bombing people. Is that normal? Lol

>>106252
Sounds like he would do well on 4chan.

>>105240
>is literally actually factually the linchpin of the entire US currency.

Uhh, no. That would be every OPEC and oil exporting nation

Including every nation in the travel ban. Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan and Yemen

Next argument please.

>>106192
>Saudi Arabia is an official US ally,
>official

>Saudi Arabia has been a long standing US ally since the 1930s. The literal, technical term they use is "Special Relationship"
Oh sweet, you just BTFO'd yourself. Great going fuckwit. And so the matter of the fact is trump is under no obligation to exempt saudi arabia.

>>106252
>I didnt give you the best links because its xommon knowledge. A wijipedia link is more than you deserve.
LMAO the thinly veiled damage control.

>implying if you actually knew that the links you gave doesn't agree with your argument you'd even link them at all

>>106301
The Wikipedia links contain evidence supporting my argument.

Is wikipedia a great source? Not really, but for common information its fine.

Wikipedia is more thsn your dumbass deserved. Youve been proven wrong by someone else anyways.

Do you need me to walk you through that conversation again?

>>105117
>A country that can't enforce it's borders isn't a country.
Leftists and liberals actually just want to suck Muslim cock all day long

>>106240
>Geneva Convention
Um no, you should read the documents you're referencing.

>>106238
>For 90 days
I understand liberals such as yourself like leaving out FACTS

>Obama tells Cubans they can't come anymore
>nobody bats an eye, not even Cubans
>Trump bans terrorist related middle eastern countries from pouring in
>NAZI FUCKIN NAZI HITLER AHHHH!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!!

>>106359

Cubans had this weird exception to the rules that lets them be legal if they touch American soil, sort of like tag with safe spaces: if you get tagged in the safe space, nothing happens, but if you get tagged in the "water," you're out. Obama ended this special exception as part of the normalization of relations with Cuba. Just like the reaction to the normalization, the Cuban community is split on this change, with the older generation that actually lived under Castro being pissed, while the newer generation doesn't give a shit.

Meanwhile, on the Trump ban, it doesn't even target nations with known terrorist connections, such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. This isn't even considering that the most recent terror attacks were by US citizens, specifically American-born citizens, so this ban would have done literally nothing to halt terrorist attacks. On top of that it targets Iraq, whose personnel need to transfer back and forth to the US to communicate strategy, and they're currently so pissed off by the ban that they've proposed a US travel ban (who knows the odds of such a thing actually coming into effect, but the negative impact on relations is already building).

The Trump ban also failed legal muster because it overreached, and included already approved green card and work visa travelers, people who are NOT refugees. Some of these are people who have been on the waiting list for literally a decade, long before the Syrian civil war was even a thing. It's these things that have driven up the protests the most, even standard Republicans (not the never-Trump regulars, but the more neutral congressmen) are having a hard time justifying this action.

Also I enjoy it when American citizens consider 10k refugees a "deluge," especially when that is not even a one thousandth of a percent of the population. Compare this to Germany, with it's smaller population and much higher refugee count, now THAT'S a flood.

>>106366
>Cubans split
I'm Cuban, 31, and agreed with it. Even though I didn't agree with Obama in general. And Saudi Arabia has the most support for ISIS than any other nation.

>10k
coulda been Hillarys plan instead.

>>106366
>>Also I enjoy it when American citizens consider 10k refugees a "deluge," especially when that is not even a one thousandth of a percent of the population. Compare this to Germany, with it's smaller population and much higher refugee count, now THAT'S a flood.

So Mr. Trump has lerned from Merkels failures? Lerning from other peoples mistakes is the first step of improving oneself, or ones country in this case.

>>106322
>The Wikipedia links contain evidence supporting my argument.
I must've missed it. Where did it say saudi arabia is an official US ally?

>>105584
>bans are bad, and a ban that accomplishes none of its stated goals is worse

>>106252
Some of my close friends growing up were Muslim. I live in a major west coast city. There are tons of them and I've actually never met one I didn't like. So, no, you don't know shit and judging an entire ethnic group of people based on one dude - if that's not abject racism, then what is?

>>106369
Merkel did it on purpose. She's a lifelong politician and this isn't her first rodeo.

>>106337
you're right, my bad

>>106169
It's all Obama's fault! Why is Obama so racist?

>>106371
"Bilateral relations between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United States began in 1933 when full diplomatic relations were established. Despite the differences between the two countries—an ultraconservative Islamic absolute monarchy, and a secular, democratic republic—the two countries have been allies."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia–United_States_relations

>>106379
I'll agree that little kid Muslims are probably fine.

The one I knew was a man. What now, bitch?

>>106371
It takes a special kind of stupid not to know that. Many of the conflicts we've gotten ourselves into in the Middle East are partly due to this alliance. Significantly, the apparent standoff between Iran/everyone else.

>>106386
>little kid Muslims are probably fine.
Because child soldiers don't exist.

>>106387
Just look how the two countries are portrayed in the media:
Iran - oppressive theocratic regime that routinely violates human rights and threatens world stability with its nuclear aspirations!
Saudi Arabia - yeah they do almost all of that same shit but they're our oil-rich buddies so shhhhh......

>>106388
I said probably

>>106390
because little kids always stay kids
because there is no such thing as homegrown terror
because i have never heard of belgium and france, what are those?

>>106391
Read the thread before jumping in with your prepackahed arguments.

>>105240

We're talking about risks for terrorism and the country that kickstarted this 15 year "war on terrorism/islam" clusterfuck is excluded from the list of countries that Trump's administration have tried to portray as hotbeds of radical Islam.

We're clearly being played.

>>105384
>the courts will have to swallow something so inherently unconstitutional

hahahaha, my god people actually think this. Predictably, everyone in this thread is either trolling or inbred

>>106463
>foreigners have constitutional rights

>>105719
here's one: what trump is doing is unconstitutional. Wrestle with that for five seconds before your cognitive dissonance takes over and you make up some bullshit

>>106466
> not knowing that the constitution doesn't allow bans on people based solely on their nationality or religion

you're why the world is ending

>>106391
that fucking 5 year old kid was not a child soldier

hell you people are thick

some international students are going to be sitting outside the country for months wondering if they should drop out.

folks looking to visit their families are left wondering if that will be possible again.

it was cruel and unusual to deny entry to people who already had their papers in order and had plans.

i hope you feel better; at least someone got something out of fucking with other peoples' lives.

>>106469
What part of it says the president can't ban a nationality?

>>106477
It's bretty complicated but it could be a major constitutional issue, better read the whole thing and not just the title

http://www.vox.com/world/2016/11/10/13577474/president-elect-donald-trump-muslim-ban

>>106469
>you're why the world is ending
You really feel this way?

How much of an end? 1-100%

>>106466
>>106477
>>106483
and you could also argue about this till the cows come home, but it doesn't change the fact the the threat of domestic terrorism is almost nil and by no means muslim specific. Also doesn't change the fact that trump is cherry picking countries that don't affect him financially. So all you racist fags can argue idealogy all day long, but it comes down to trump doing whatever crazy thing he thinks people want, regardless of impact, as long as it doesnt affect his personal wealth. You all are complete suckers

>>106486
let me put it this way

Soon you or your inbred offspring will know what it's like for people currently living in the 3rd world.

;<

>>105587
I would be happy if they banned toddlers honestly.

>>105456
They're paid by Russia, they repeat russian talking points.

>>105562
Can they kill Ryan too? And all his shitty cabinet appointments?

>>106487
>Also doesn't change the fact that trump is cherry picking countries that don't affect him financially.
This has been thoroughly debunked.

"Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015"
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021

>>106487
>cherry picking

>To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).

>from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12)

>>106336
> Leftists and liberals actually just want to suck Muslim cock all day long
What do you mean by that?
Literally, not metaphorically I mean.

>>105586
>The people who say that only the government should have guns
>Committing an assassination

The only thing Leftists can do to stop their enemies is give more power to the government to let it stop their enemies. They built up an Orwellian government, never once asking themselves; "Hey, what if we lose an election?"

Now their Orwellian nightmare is under the control of their biggest enemy ever, and in less than a month he's already fucked the left and its policies immeasurably. So what are they going to do to stop him? Lead another pointless march?

>>106572
>> Lead another pointless march

Political activism is not pointless, it shows the people in power(aka Trump and his supporters) that there are people who are willing to do more than virtue signaling, that there are people who actually care about the topic enough to invest their own free time to communicate their issues to the Government, beyond shitposting on the Internet.

>>106572
>leftists
Why is it that suddenly centre left social democrats, centrist liberals and centre right conservatives are now all grouped as "leftists"?

/pol/tards are so far to the right that everyone to the left of Hitler is left wing to them.

>business ties = well developed/non terrorist countries

>immigration banned = warzone/africa

its like quality control or something, i don't know man someone back me up

>>106586
No, /pol/tards are so far to the right that everyone who doesn't have US-American's interest as a primary priority is considered a liberal or centrist conservative.

>>106336
The fuck does this ban have to do with enforcing borders? None of those countries are even remotely a threat to America. It's a goddamn joke how paranoid Americans are about non-existent dangers. I'm an American and it still baffles me.

This ban is just pandering to his supporters.
>okay I signed a bunch of pointless executive orders, now let's do that Muslim ban
>wait we can't call it a Muslim ban, that one time I read the Bill of Rights I recall there being something about religious freedom in there
>how about we say that it's a ban against certain countries, yes that'll do
>oh look, Obama made a list of "countries of concern" (aka Muslim-majority shitholes that we don't have financial ties to), let's use that as a precedent and then build from there

>>106594
>okay I signed a bunch of pointless executive orders, now let's do that Muslim ban
>wait we can't call it a Muslim ban, that one time I read the Bill of Rights I recall there being something about religious freedom in there
>oh look, Obama made a list of "countries of concern" (aka Muslim-majority shitholes that we don't have financial ties to), let's use that as a precedent and then build from there.

What is wrong with banning "Muslim-majority shitholes?"

>>106594
That's because your dangerously simple mind is very easy to baffle.

>>106596
What is right with it? What's the point? There is no point. It just inconveniences a group of people in the name of "security" against a group that poses no threat to us. America is not under any threat from these countries, they have not attacked us, we are not at war with them. Like I said, it's pandering. Individual migrants already get vetted to a huge degree, a blanket ban does nothing.

>>106597
Then explain it to me. Or do you think you're intelligent because you can hurl insults?

>>106594
>This ban is just pandering to his supporters.
Ok well I really like it. He can "pander" to me all day long.

>>106603
I'm glad you're so pleased by tokenism, that makes it easier for him to get away with the actual serious shit.

>>106206
I don't know man, plugging an article into a lazy bot-translating service and then going off half-cocked on whatever word salad nonsense comes out the other end seems like a shitty thing to do. I wouldn't be lambasting your opposition for choosing not to engage in such behavior since it makes you look silly in comparison.

>>106240
You're not providing any reasons beyond an old law and simple 'just because,' logic. If the world we live in is full of people now suddenly re-evaluating things as fundamental to the nation-state as borders, sovereignty, and citizenship, it's also kosher to examine the need and reasoning behind blanket humanitarianism. The notion behind all of those things has been taken for granted, you can't deconstruct and examine one and then appeal to archaic conformity for another.

>>106490
>inbred offspring
How original.

>>106579
>there are people who are willing to do more than virtue signaling

But that's all the latest "Women's March," was. A bunch of millennials showing up for a plethora of subjective reasons, none of which were semi-coherent or consistent, to walk around taking selfies and pretending they were accomplishing jack or shit.

>>106586
You could turn your question around on yourself just as easily and ask why everyone that doesn't espouse far left ideas suddenly gets labeled a /pol/tard.

>>106600
The countries themselves haven't, but people from them certainly have and you're a fool if you think public sentiment in a majority of them would disagree with those actions.

Tell me, why exactly is it so pertinent to allow migration from these countries? Do they bring anything here that a well-behaved native or someone from another region of the globe couldn't without any of the major pitfalls of allowing Islamic immigration? What if I don't care if they're vetted or not and simply don't want anything to do with their culture moving here en masse because of the dangers it represents even in moderate terms?

>>106252
>pretended to drink beer and joked about bombing people

sounds like the lad has good banter tbh

>>105694
I didn't know America had a problem with its Muslim population. They seem pretty well integrated, and they've even done their part to turnout the few bad apples for our law enforcement. Guys like the Boston bomber seem to be the exception, not the rule.

>>105801
Trump is many things, and among those many things, he's a troll.

>>105716
The thing about many of these people is that they see culture, and in some cases nationality, as inseparable from ethnicity and genetics. No matter how somebody is raised, an Asian is always going to want to turn the US into China because that's in their genes.

>>106467
>"""cuckstitution""" and """democracy""" argument
>thinking that they weren't a mistake back in the 17th century

>>106235
There's 8 billion people in the world and we get to pick and choose which ones come and which ones don't, so I'll pick the non-Muslims first, and the Muslims never, thanks.

>>106605
Yeah im sure trump is a corrupt politician because of your dumbass imagination.

>>106819
>They seem pretty well integrated
No they're not, they just self segregate and have an extremely small population so nobody deals with them often.

The reason we don't have a Muslim problem like every other country that admits gazillions of them, is because we DON'T admit that many of them, so obviously when there's clear and present examples of extreme problems with importing them in larger numbers, the obvious thing to do is to bring in even less and instead opt for people that aren't shit, because there's plenty to choose from.

>>106841
That's why we have a fucklong process to vet them. Many of the guys we let in are guys who've helped us at great risks to themselves and their families.

Also, I live in Houston and don't see too much Muslims cloistering themselves away. You see all Muslims living here as the equivalent of Saudi Arabian Wahabbiast out to kill all of us, when the statistics don't support it at all.

>>106819
Most of them are well integrated, but American apprehension at increasing the numbers of them are understandable.

Firstly, American Muslims have traditionally been wealthy, educated, westernized, and religiously speaking more of a secular laity. Recently however certain groups of Muslim immigrants have broken that trend, principally the refugee populations of Somalis in Minnesota and the large families concentrated in places throughout Michigan. These communities are starting to cause the same problems you see in Europe, especially the Somalis (there's been at least three incidents with them in the past year alone) and Americans having seen the utter clusterfuck Europe is going through want none of it and know the best way to avoid it is to keep the problem from setting up root in the first place.

And to add on top of that, the children of refugees often end up very radicalized, so it's not always just the first generation that's a point of contention for Americans. The man who killed 50 people at the Orlando nightclub was one such person.

>>106858
>Many of the guys we let in are guys who've helped us at great risks to themselves and their families

Yeah, all those 65 IQ Somalian Muslims squatting in their commie blocks and trying to join ISIS are a real boon to the US. We should throw them a parade for not successfully pulling off a large scale slaughter just yet.

>>106862
Refugees are definitely a problem area, but I think there should be a distinction between refugee and immigrant. The immigration process tends to weed out a lot of the dangerous ones just because its so expensive nowadays to do it. I think one of the issues is that people on both the left and right conflate the two, so you have libs giving the refugees the positives of the immigrants, while the conservatives give the immigrants all the negatives of the refugees, when they're two distinct pools of people.

>>106858
This.

About a third of my coworkers are Muslim and they're basically just less preachy vegetarians as far as my day to day interactions are concerned.

>>106868
The fact that a muslim terrorist like Husein Obongo managed to get into the Whit House and rule us as a dictator tells you how much power these sandcunts have. They are destroying our country and killing people because they want to end the world. We need to acknowledge it, and destroy thme before the bring us down.

>>106876
hey Rabbi, whatcha doin

>>106870
The thing is, there really isn't much of a difference in American terms. The citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment states anyone born on American soil is automatically a citizen, so the children of refugees will be automatic citizens able to expedite the process of bringing over relatives from abroad.

Given the history of the places these people come from it's safe to say their countries will never be in a state acceptable for humanitarian repatriation by concerned parties anytime soon. It's frequently looking like a problem with a solution that contains way too many downsides to justify the compassionate response.

Relevant Trumpism fragment at 1:54:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM

>tfw not sure if simple Trump demagoguery or the actual beginning of the end of the world
it's been a privilege shitposting with you guise

>>107031
Couldn't the world end under a more badass or sophisticated dictatorship? Europeans at least know how to give a touch of class to their egregious human rights violations.

Like everything else, we've made authoritarianism feel cheap and tawdry in the US. Trump is a generic unscrupulous businessman whose hobbies include directing reality tv and lying about how rich he is. Bannon always looks like he's been up drinking all night behind a dumpster.

>>107038
If the world is going to end, I'd rather have it go out on a silly or ironic note, something out of Monty Python then Tom Clancy.

Besides, even back in the heyday of fascism, fascist were considered to be crude, swaggering bullies who appealed to lower class ignorance. Hitler himself was seen as a clown for his general appearance. It was only after they got in power and started attacking their neighbors that people began taking them seriously, and then, only after the war that people started giving them mystique and exaggerating them in an effort to distance or dehumanize them.

Trump isn't really a fascist though. He has traits of fascist, but he's been on a deregulation spree that doesn't gel with fascism's authoritarianism.

I don't think you guys understand what it will mean if Iran can use nuclear weapons as a bargaining chip in a fight over the Strait of Hormuz. It will mean we will have to dance to their tune or face complete economic collapse within days of an Iranian blockade of the Strait of Hormuz. Now do you understand why they are part of the Axis of Evil?

>>107038
The world isn't going to end asshole, we're not that lucky. Sorry but you have to suffer life with the rest of us.

>>105304
Lieutenant Dan?

What will happen to us? I am alarmed a bit. For good or ill, We faced with turning point now. But I hope that the world become peaceful !